I have the same situation in 1912 in Wisconsin with grandparents who were definitely married in the Lutheran church, large reception, newspaper article, etc. You need to remember that for legal purposes, common law marriages were valid in most states until World War II or after. So there was no need to get a civil license to have the protections of marriage, although you were taking your chances the first few years or until a child was born. I think the desire to qualify for survivors' benefits under Social Security after 1937 also will have increased the desireability of a state marriage license. To this day, I don't think it's "law" to record marriages in the sense that a minister does not need a license to perform a religious ceremony. Off the top of my head, I would guess there are some denominations that in fact would object to a civil record. Old Order Amish come to mind, not sure about this. Linda Scheimann

"Roots Webmaster" <roots@bfn.org> wrote in message news:Gu9yHC.7nG@freenet.buffalo.edu... > > There is an actual book on self-improvement in the afterlife. It goes > over how to tell if you are dead and how to contact deceased relatives. > This would really clear up a lot of things for genealogists. See: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0806929960/qid%3D1018017915/ref%3Dsr% 5F11%5F0%5F1/103-3173406-3951024 > Nice cover picture. After I announced some time back that when I went, I was taking all my research notes with me, quite a few people emailed to say that was a good idea! I can think of several good questions to ask - I wonder if relatives are more cooperative in the afterlife? Lesley Robertson

On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 00:10:44 GMT, "Rob Stieglitz" <rstieglitz@prodigy.net> wrote: >Does anyone know what year the law required marriage registration with the >city? I have a marriage record from the church but would like more >information that a city marriage certificate would supply. The couple >married in the year 1907 in what is now the Bronx. Would the New York >Municipal Archives have this certificate? > >Rob > > Yes they would. Go to: http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/doris/html/index.html for an application form. Brian Wickham

There is an actual book on self-improvement in the afterlife. It goes over how to tell if you are dead and how to contact deceased relatives. This would really clear up a lot of things for genealogists. See: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0806929960/qid%3D1018017915/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F0%5F1/103-3173406-3951024 Or just go to Amazon and search on ISBN 0806929960. -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- Webmaster: Cynthia Van Ness, MLS -- roots@bfn.org Roots: The Buffalo NY Genealogy Forum -- http://www.bfn.org/~roots With obits, vital records, city directories & hundreds of local links

Does anyone know what year the law required marriage registration with the city? I have a marriage record from the church but would like more information that a city marriage certificate would supply. The couple married in the year 1907 in what is now the Bronx. Would the New York Municipal Archives have this certificate? Rob

John Carey <shan-john@worldnet.att.net> says: : Where would I look for a record of who is buried in a little cemetery that : is out in the middle of nowhere? It looks to be a family cemetery so I am : not sure if a list would even exist. There is no church or town anywhere : around, it is just off the highway. And it is not even on a "street". There : is just an access road that goes nowhere else. Just to this cemetery. : Needless to say, there is no street sign or anything. There were only 5 or 6 : family names in here and a bunch of the stones were broken and/or illegible. You might inquire with local branches of the American Legion. I've come across 'deserted' cemeteries where American Legion markers are posted, and maintained, complete with small American flags. -- Paul Havemann (paul@havemann.com) Havemann Family History: http://www.havemann.com/

Info required on change of name of father of John Eastman, John Hervin Eastman, brewer, farmer, mariner? John Eastman Jr. born Hanover Germany c 1823. First known date of presence in Australia 1849 on 'Rattlesnake' Sydney New South Wales.

"Kay Archer" <j.a.b@k.a.y.s.e.r.v.net> wrote in message news:uasrdvr53gjuf2@corp.supernews.com... > It takes a real man to admit an error. I am proud of your leadership in > this field too. <snip> Now that's funny! <snip> > > Webmaster: Cynthia Van Ness, MLS -- roots@bfn.org > > Roots: The Buffalo NY Genealogy Forum -- http://www.bfn.org/~roots > > With obits, vital records, city directories & hundreds of local links

>My gr. grand father Louis Beche (alias lewis bache, bash, etc) died July >1904 most likely in Sturgeon, PA. Cant find his death record. Nearest town >is Ms Donald which is in Allegheny county, unless you are searching The "Handybook for Genealogists" indicates death records for Allegheny Co. are at Registrat of Wills, 436 Grant Street, Pittsburgh, PA 15219-2403. Subsequent to1906, records are at : Division of Vital Statistics, 101 South Mercer Street, P.O. Box 1528, New Castle, PA 16103 Regards, Clifford Sayre in Silver Spring, MD

This post is pro bono publico -- I have no personal stake in the search. I have no additional information, so don't ask. If you've a US "Civil War" era James ATKINSON, you may want to hunt up the "Atkinson family tree lists" (sorry, that all my info gives). Apparently, there is a farm in Colonial Beach, Virginia which has MANY more than one grave marker for him. I'm told details were posted on those family tree lists.

Hello all, I just recently learned that in 1793, the U.S. Congress redeemed the Revolutionary War "Continental Dollars" at full face value. Does anyone know if there was ever a list kept (and more importantly- published) of those persons redeeming Continentals? Regards, Cap'n John

My gr. grand father Louis Beche (alias lewis bache, bash, etc) died July 1904 most likely in Sturgeon, PA. Cant find his death record. Nearest town is Ms Donald which is in Allegheny county, unless you are searching for records, then they tell you it is in Washington county, back and forth. The town is split by the county line. Richard

I've tried several browsers including vivisimo and have found much better hits on my surnames with google! Searching on the very rare surname of Clingdanel I got 10 unique hits with google and only 6 hits with vivisimo. My Fludder surname brought 581 hits on google and only 109 on vivisimo (when will people ever learn that a heart will "flutter", not "fludder" and that the swimming kick is a "flutter" kick, not a "fludder" kick!) I do,however, like the "outline" view of vivisimo. That's pretty close to a filter, but if I'm missing that many hits, what good is it??? Now, if there were only a search engine that used an "ignore" a hit if it included certain words on a page or previous hits or that would save searches (supposed I could save the pages in html).... I'd also like to see a search engine respect quotes around a phrase "william walton nowell" does *not* mean I want all instances of where william and walton and nowell show up on a web page! Sherry Don Nickell <dnickell@icehouse.net> wrote in news:3CB0712D.E98F1633@icehouse.net: > I used it for some time yesterday and found a dozen things for my > main line that I'd never seen before. One thing I like about > Vivisimo is the category "tree", it's almost a filter for the user > to select things he knows aren't of interest to him; something other > search engines don't do. > <snip> > > I Vivisimo well enough I've modified my Netscape Search button to > open Vivisimo rather than Google Advanced. As I noted earlier, it > will take a little getting used to because it is a little different > in format. > > Don

Maybe because we don't know if they are realted to us. Post their ahnentafael here. You will only get nibbles from that. There are lots of Owens and lots of Deans. We're not in the habit of buying every Dean book out there because there's just too many DSeans and it would break our budget rather quickly. You have to show that we are related somehow and a quick Ahnentafael would do that. "R.E. Wicker" <REWicker@MSN.COM> wrote in message news:3cb015d1.1544114@news.newsguy.com... > I am disappointed that no one seems interested in the e-book I am > putting out on my great grandparents forbearers. Maybe I have posted > to the wrong group. I not trying to sell this to anyone, but it would > be nice to find a relative related to them. > > Rhoda > rewicker@msn.com > http://home.att.net/~rewicker > > > On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:33:19 GMT, REWicker@MSN.COM (R.E. Wicker) > wrote: > > >Hi! After working on the statistics for this family genealogy for too > >many years, my editor/publisher says we will be all ready for the > >launch by the end of June. I hope it's o.k. to be excited. The > >ancestors of Jonathan and Elizabeth(Dean) Owen are the main characters > >of this research book. I hope to find out where I go on the web to > >advertise this research book. Anyone know? I'm going out East for > >the launching because that is where the editor/publisher's business is > >located. > > > >Rhoda > >rewicker@msn.com > >http://home.att.net/~rewicker > > > > >

I used it for some time yesterday and found a dozen things for my main line that I'd never seen before. One thing I like about Vivisimo is the category "tree", it's almost a filter for the user to select things he knows aren't of interest to him; something other search engines don't do. For instance in my NICKELL line there is Joe Nickell the Paranormal Investigator for the Skeptical Inquirer magazine (debunked the Shroud of Tourin, etc.). He had a category all his own with many hits that I could ignore. One "newspaper (article)" opened up a whole new slant on the Bruce NICKELL murder by his wife, commonly called the "Tylenoyl Posoning Case of Seattle (1986)" And the authors seem to be thinking, almost every hit can be opened with a New Browser, akin to <A HREF .... TARGET="_BLANK">, that spawns a new browser screen. I wish more Web Page programmers would use that technique so you don't have to reload the previous page for quick looks at "page 2". I Vivisimo well enough I've modified my Netscape Search button to open Vivisimo rather than Google Advanced. As I noted earlier, it will take a little getting used to because it is a little different in format. Don Pat wrote: > > Thank you for telling me about http://www.vivisimo.com/ > > I found 79 hits for my surname KOZIUK. Of course a lot of them were in > Polish and I wish that my grandparents had taught us kids to speak/read > Polish.

Can anyone tell me if the 1930 census can be found at any location on Long Island, NY? Or is the nearest location NYC? (If so, is it at the NYPL or just at NARA?) Thanks in advance, Drew Hershkowitz Port Washington, NY Researching: HERSHKOWITZ -> Hungary VERNICK, KATZ -> Kiev, Russia; Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada LANTON, EDELMAN -> Tartakov, Austria; Stojanov, Poland SERRADILLA -> NY, US GELB -> Mukachevo, Ukraine PLAUDER -> ? SEINE -> ?

I am disappointed that no one seems interested in the e-book I am putting out on my great grandparents forbearers. Maybe I have posted to the wrong group. I not trying to sell this to anyone, but it would be nice to find a relative related to them. Rhoda rewicker@msn.com http://home.att.net/~rewicker On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 02:33:19 GMT, REWicker@MSN.COM (R.E. Wicker) wrote: >Hi! After working on the statistics for this family genealogy for too >many years, my editor/publisher says we will be all ready for the >launch by the end of June. I hope it's o.k. to be excited. The >ancestors of Jonathan and Elizabeth(Dean) Owen are the main characters >of this research book. I hope to find out where I go on the web to >advertise this research book. Anyone know? I'm going out East for >the launching because that is where the editor/publisher's business is >located. > >Rhoda >rewicker@msn.com >http://home.att.net/~rewicker > >

Thank you for telling me about http://www.vivisimo.com/ I found 79 hits for my surname KOZIUK. Of course a lot of them were in Polish and I wish that my grandparents had taught us kids to speak/read Polish.

While you cant do exactly that you can do 3 things Set Relationships - so i set them from my son and it catches hubby's and my relatives and displays their relationship to my son the source person can be changed anytime Set Direct line as preferred - same thing set the direct line from my son and his direct line ancestors show up in bold the source person can be changed anytime and in the deluxe version Set Ancestor Colours - Blue for hubbies relo's Red for mine hubby's mum's ancestors are red and my mum's are yellow a little box pops up in their name area the source person can be changed anytime -- Helen Castle have a look at my rellie's at: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~hcastle/ ICQ 3184996 Penrith Dispensary Register http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jmalloy Miscellaneous Newspaper Transcripts http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hcastle Happy to share my AVRI's and NSW BDM's email me for lookups For the discussion of Australia and New Zealand genealogy. The oldest and most extensive mailing list for the region. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/GEN "Lee" <Lee@my-home.com> wrote in message news:vVJr8.4808$NJ3.943871096@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com... > I'm relatively new at genealogy, but already my database is getting rather > large. I'ld like to be able to quickly differentiate "blood relatives" from > those who are only related by marriage. Does anyone using Legacy know of a > way to do this? I've toyed with all of the available options, but haven't > made any progress. > > >

On Sat, 06 Apr 2002 21:17:01 -0500, Vespertine wrote: > ...what if the painting of the crest was actually IN the painting of the > dogs playing poker? If the existence of one can be corroborated with the > other, they both might be worth millions !! Yippeeeeeeeeee Or if you purchased one of these CoA painting sight-unseen and found that the shield showed dogs playing poker and with that same CoA hanging on the wall behind the dogs - sort of a self-authentication. > On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 18:18:37 GMT, Charles <X@triad.rr.com> wrote: > >>On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 06:00:05 -0500, Rex Alexander wrote: >> >>> Beautiful Oil Painting of your Family Crest >>> >>> Here's a terrific organization that will create a magnificent oil >>> painting of your Family Crest / Coat of Arms. If you don't happen to >>> have a copy of your Family Crest, they will even do the research for >>> you free-of-charge. Check it out at >> <remainder deleted> >> >>Yes, yes! Just imagine the Ooohs and Ahhhs you'll get from visitors >>when you have this hanging on your wall between the print of the dogs >>playing poker and the painting of Elvis on black velvet.