Many thanks to those who responded. Most helpful, and much appreciated.

Hi I've just tidied my census data on my site it's for Dudley colliery village Weetslade Northumberland England at http://TynesideHistory.andmuchmore.com Hope somebody finds something. Dave Kane. -- Click Here for http://Tyneside.History.andmuchmore.com

Amen to that! On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 09:24:06 -0500, Karen Leonard <kleonard@hiline.net> wrote: >Sitka wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> We can all admit that the LDS web site is full of great information >> for genealogists. It seems that if I stay away for a month or two, I >> come back and find out something else for my surnames. Just recently, >> this was the case. I found out a slew of information on one of my >> Dad's cousins plus all 3 of his wives and childern. This was a nice >> find but when I started digging into the records, LDS states that they >> are "Original Temple Records". My Ass!! These folks were Danish >> Lutherans, not Mormons. I've heard a bit about the Mormons gleaning >> church records and "saving" the dead so they would have a place in >> Heaven... They were supposedly going to cease and desist. To me, it >> looks like they're up to their old tricks. I realize that LDS is >> doing tons of research in order to compile these records for all to >> use but that doesn't give them any right to claim them as Mormons. >> >> Does anybody have any suggestions? Should I just let it go or let >> them know that they're claiming some of MY people? >> >> Amusingly yours, >> >> Bill > >See, now, if you were Catholic you'd just smile a little...I think the >Mormons are the only folks who send more unsolicited communications to >the dead than we do. (Of course, ours mostly look like "pray for XXX".) ><G> > >You don't have to agree with the theology of someone who is praying for >someone else. And since you *sought out* this record, I'd say you can't >even say they were obnoxiously announcing the act of praying, either. > >I recommend you take a deep breath and relax. Your late ancestors >aren't going to be kidnapped or otherwise harmed by anything their >living descendants do. And the fact of their existence isn't anybody's >private property. > >Best to all, >Karen

> Georgia Lane <glane@gallatinriver.net> wrote in message > news:a9ig6l18mi@enews1.newsguy.com... >> Yes, grave sizes HAVE changed in the past 50 years, according to >> the keeper of our home cemetery in Ohio. We were noticing the very >> same thing when we buried my sister and my mother (they died within >> 24 hours of each other). The man said that Americans in particular >> have grown in the past 50-100 years, especially in height. The >> graves are usually dug approximately 8 inches longer than formerly. On 17 Apr 2002 in soc.genealogy.misc, Kevin Ettery wrote: > Apparently the reason for graves needing to be bigger is not gradual > genetic changes, but instead that, with better nutrition, the > average human body is able to grow closer to full potential stature, > whereas the poorer nutrition of centuries past could cause various > skeletal stunting problems and so prevent full stature from being > achieved (although a picture of my g-g-grandfather [at 40] seems to > indicate that I would have been able to look him straight in the eye > - and I'm 5'11"!). I think we may be looking in the wrong arena here; the difference over the last 50 years may be technology. Specifically, many graveyards in the US now require the use of some form of grave liner, which they may not have required 50 years ago. Anybody out here in the funeral supply industry? Have casket/vault/liner sizes gotten larger over the last 50 years? -- Joe Makowiec can be reached at: makowiec(at)nycap(dot)rr(dot)com

Sitka wrote: > > Hello, > > We can all admit that the LDS web site is full of great information > for genealogists. It seems that if I stay away for a month or two, I > come back and find out something else for my surnames. Just recently, > this was the case. I found out a slew of information on one of my > Dad's cousins plus all 3 of his wives and childern. This was a nice > find but when I started digging into the records, LDS states that they > are "Original Temple Records". My Ass!! These folks were Danish > Lutherans, not Mormons. I've heard a bit about the Mormons gleaning > church records and "saving" the dead so they would have a place in > Heaven... They were supposedly going to cease and desist. To me, it > looks like they're up to their old tricks. I realize that LDS is > doing tons of research in order to compile these records for all to > use but that doesn't give them any right to claim them as Mormons. > > Does anybody have any suggestions? Should I just let it go or let > them know that they're claiming some of MY people? > > Amusingly yours, > > Bill See, now, if you were Catholic you'd just smile a little...I think the Mormons are the only folks who send more unsolicited communications to the dead than we do. (Of course, ours mostly look like "pray for XXX".) <G> You don't have to agree with the theology of someone who is praying for someone else. And since you *sought out* this record, I'd say you can't even say they were obnoxiously announcing the act of praying, either. I recommend you take a deep breath and relax. Your late ancestors aren't going to be kidnapped or otherwise harmed by anything their living descendants do. And the fact of their existence isn't anybody's private property. Best to all, Karen

you should be able to get some info unless they were sealed maybe lawyer would know some thing BBarkes barkesms@webtv.net

It has been a long time, since I have had to go digging through family closets, and there are certinly plenty of skeletons I am trying to bring to light, so if this post is in all the wrong places, please be gentle with the flaming barbecue. What is proper has changed way too much in the 6 years since I last did this. This post doesn't belong *technically* with the veterans group, but I think in the end it will make sense why I stuck it there anyway. I am trying very hard to fill in some important gaps in my heritage..ie..just who exactly is my father? I cannot ask my mother, she is firstly mentally ill, and secondly has PLENTY to hide, so the truth will not come from that direction. At least not until I can fill in some of the blanks otherwise. In questioning my mother further I was told the following (sketchy) story..warning this is a little complicated! Sometime in the 18 months before I was born (in November of 1968), my mother met a Navy man named Clifford Leroy Meacham. He was stationed at the base (Pt. Mugu? spelling?) in Oxnard CA. They lived together (not married) and she became pregnant sometime in the summer of 1967. But when she was approximately 5 months preggers, she had a miscarriage. The doc ordered 3 weeks of no sex, and in the spring of 1968, she again became pregnant with me. According to her story, she became pregnant on the first try after the "no sex" edict. Sometime before her 5th month of pregnancy with me, she and Cliff had a falling out of some sort, and they split. She then met an ARMY man named Carl Josephson.(Beginning to see the thing for men in uniforms rearing its head here!) This 2nd relationship seemed to hold up well, and when I was born a few weeks later she put his name on my birth certificate. Knowing full well he was not my father. They later married, had my sister, and divorced. When I was 10 years old, she told me the "truth" about my father. I did spend an enormous amount of time about 5-6 years ago tracking down my father. Or at least the person my mother claimed to be my father. From that work I managed to obtain his military records, including his medical records, the dates of his previous marriages, and divorces, and...his 1984 death certificate. Literally a "dead end"! From Clifford's military & medical records I obtained 3 facts: 1) His blood type was O+. 2) He had the mumps. 3) He had no other children. This led me to conclude that something was very wrong with the picture that was beginning to be painted. 1) My blood type is NEGATIVE, my mother's is POSITIVE....as I understand it, two positives will never make a negative, but I will defer this to anyone with more expertise. 2)Mumps if they occur in a teenage male, will quite often cause sterility. 3) Did he not have children due to the mumps? For the last 5-6 years I have let these facts lie, afterall you cannot dig up a ghost, and there is no-one left to talk to. Almost no-one. Earlier this week a chance conversation with a long lost, and since found brother (a long story about that, but not for this post). revealed that my Mother's version of my heritage might not be as she had told me. Her first marriage had been to an Air Force man named Robert Vacha (really a thing for uniforms here!). He was stationed, and they lived in Reno, NV. Together they were raising her son from a previous relationship, and the long lost brother, born in 1965. At some point before September of 1966, the Air Force husband is sent to a remote duty station out of the country, but sometime in mid to late 1967 he is called back due to a family emergency. His sons had been abandoned in a hotel room in Reno, their mother (and mine) nowhere to be found. Local rumor is that she has left town with a friend that had been asked to "watch out for" the wife and children while the husband was away. A few weeks later she is arrested in California after being pulled over for a minor traffic violaton (the police discover the warrant for the Nevada abandonment charges). Rather than extradite, she is sentenced to 2-3 years probation, and is sent to a mental ward in California where she is kept for at least 6 months. She was not released until at approx. mid -late 1968. (My guess is that they had no facility to deal with a preggers woiman about to deliver and released her). From other records I have of her...and I have no recollection of why I found this, I know she was also arrested in Oxnard, CA in September of 1966 for child abuse. These are not the same charges as those filed later in Nevada. She was also at least making a part time residence in Reno during this time (back and forth between Reno and Oxnard) With all of this..I know that someone somewhere is not telling the truth. If my brother is being honest then she could not have possibly been living with Clifford Meacham for the 18 months she claims, as she was in the mental ward. If she is being honest, at least partially it still doesn't explain the blood type thing. My guess is the "best friend/watch out for wife and kids friend/stab me in the back non-friend" is the most likely candidate for my parentage. But I have no name, no description, nothing of this person.And my mother's husband, who she was cheating on with this "friend" is not talking to anyone about that part of the saga. (Can't say I blame the poor guy!) So if anyone out there ever heard of, was friends with, or heard rumors about a woman named Joy Vacha aka Joy Dean, in either Oxnard, Ca or Reno, NV, I could really use some help filling in the rest of the blanks and putting this entire issue to rest one way or the other. Also, if anyone knows just how far back court records in Nevada go, that would help also. My brother claims that there are alot of details in the paperwork that went back and forth in the divorce, and criminal charges, but he doesn't have copies. So I might need to go and do some digging, but hate making that trek without knowing if it will do me any good whatsoever. WHEW! T. Woods

>From: "Lesley Robertson" l.a.robertson@tnw.tudelft.nl >Date: 4/9/2002 12:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <a8u6l4$m05$1@news.tudelft.nl> > > >"Roots Webmaster" <roots@bfn.org> wrote in message >news:Gu9yHC.7nG@freenet.buffalo.edu... >> >> There is an actual book on self-improvement in the afterlife. It goes >> over how to tell if you are dead and how to contact deceased relatives. >> This would really clear up a lot of things for genealogists. See: >> >> >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0806929960/qid%3D1018017915/ref%3Dsr% >5F11%5F0%5F1/103-3173406-3951024 >> >Nice cover picture. >After I announced some time back that when I went, I was taking all my >research notes with me, quite a few people emailed to say that was a good >idea! I can think of several good questions to ask - I wonder if relatives >are more cooperative in the afterlife? >Lesley Robertson > LOL...according to John Edward (Crossing Over), they seem to be cooperative ;-))

Hi, My husband, an architect, who taught architectural history in his younger days, says, "Yes" "The styles of those buildings indicates they were built prior to the dates of occupancy you gave." He has no doubts. Congratulations - good find. Now I need to go to Winnipeg and hunt for the buildings my family lived in in 1913. Jayne W. Dye, MD

Yes, grave sizes HAVE changed in the past 50 years, according to the keeper of our home cemetery in Ohio. We were noticing the very same thing when we buried my sister and my mother (they died within 24 hours of each other). The man said that Americans in particular have grown in the past 50-100 years, especially in height. The graves are usually dug approximately 8 inches longer than formerly. gwl

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:15:04 -0400, Dexter Kenfield <dekester@mindspring.com> wrote: >Are there any architectural history buffs out there??? > >I've traced a couple of families to specific addresses in New York >City early this century, and photographed the buildings now standing >there. > >I suspect each of these buildings pre-dates the families' residence -- >meaning that these are the actual buildings they lived in. (Things >change so fast in NYC that you can never assume this.) > >I'm hoping SKS can date the buildings based on the photos. Two of >them, especially, have some rather striking features. > >The photos are at >http://dkenfield.home.mindspring.com/oldbuildings.html > >All info and suggestions gratefully appreciated. > I can't help you with dating the buildings although your guesses seem to be right on the mark. You can get professional photos of those buildings circa1939-1941 from the NYC Municipal Archives. The web page is http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/doris/html/index.html#TaxPhotos Brian Wickham

Dexter Kenfield <dekester@mindspring.com> wrote in news:8fumbusmr67tr1jshdjmbc2eihtlbe6p2k@4ax.com: <snip> > > I'm hoping SKS can date the buildings based on the photos. Two of > them, especially, have some rather striking features. > > The photos are at > http://dkenfield.home.mindspring.com/oldbuildings.html > > All info and suggestions gratefully appreciated. > > You could always research the titles of the buildings. It's fascinating to research the history of the building - who owned it & when and how much was paid for the building. I researched our property and the surrounding properties once and was so intrigued by it all! You could either hire a title company (which would probably be expensive) or go to the title records office and research it yourself. Sherry

In Illinois this is true. If you *dont* have such a chain then the title is said to be "noisy" where the break is. The County Clerk's office is where these are kept. (My dad's a Senior Master Real Estate Appraisor in Illinois - he pulls titles all the time). "Singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message news:3CBB84A0.C66672C7@erols.com... > Ummm, is it _true_ that if I have the official land description > off GLO, I can track that piece of land from the patent to the > presentday? > > I mean, I know the patentee's name and I have the description. > Can I *really* find out who all has owned this in the last 180 > years? > > Cheryl

Ummm, is it _true_ that if I have the official land description off GLO, I can track that piece of land from the patent to the presentday? I mean, I know the patentee's name and I have the description. Can I *really* find out who all has owned this in the last 180 years? Cheryl

Are there any architectural history buffs out there??? I've traced a couple of families to specific addresses in New York City early this century, and photographed the buildings now standing there. I suspect each of these buildings pre-dates the families' residence -- meaning that these are the actual buildings they lived in. (Things change so fast in NYC that you can never assume this.) I'm hoping SKS can date the buildings based on the photos. Two of them, especially, have some rather striking features. The photos are at http://dkenfield.home.mindspring.com/oldbuildings.html All info and suggestions gratefully appreciated.

I am trying to trace my GG Father a George Martin who resided in Markinch,Fife Scotland around 1910 with my GG mother Jane Findlay Rammage or Pringle. They had a son Born in1910 whom they later gave away. If anyone has any info or suggestions .... I have undertaken all the routine stuff.... please can they respond Thankyou N Graham

"Normandian" <normandian@aol.com> wrote in message news:20020415105040.27651.00003269@mb-bj.aol.com... > I am trying to trace my GG Father a George Martin who resided in Markinch,Fife > Scotland around 1910 with my GG mother Jane Findlay Rammage or Pringle. They > had a son Born in1910 whom they later gave away. You might check these sites for help, as well as the UK news groups. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ http://www.geocities.com/heartland/3934/britain.htm http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/ http://www.origins.net/ Good luck. Joe

It seems to me I heard somewhere that BlanketGHS wrote in article <20020413180521.07836.00006161@mb-mv.aol.com>: >>My family attended the Andover Presbyterian Church in Andover, New Jersey in >>the late 1800's-early 1900's. I would like to find them on the list of church >>membership >Try contacting the church itself. Someone may know who to contact about this: >Andover Presbyterian Church >Lake Lenape Road >Andover NJ 07821 >(973) 786-5094 The church may be able to clear it up for you. It's doubtful they still have the records themselves, but if not they may have been transferred and preserved in archives at a higher level of the denomination. If that should be the case you might try to contact the offices of the General Assembly of the denomination, which I believe are in Philadelphia. I don't have details, unfortunately. -- Don donkirk@covad.net

"Singhals" <Singhals@erols.com> wrote in message news:3CB9CBBE.6EFC4399@erols.com... > Singhals wrote: > > > > Would someone explain the difference between > > "Wounded in Battle" and "Injured in Battle" ?? > > > > Clearly, people who were above the age of reason in WW-II > > see a difference, but, I wasn't even a twinkle yet and be > > darn if I get it. (g) > > > > Clarification welcomed. > > > > > Thanks, all. I still think that INJURED would cover all of > 'em, because darn if I can see how you could be wounded > without being injured. (g) But the distinction between > tripping and falling into a foxhole and breaking one's leg > during a battle, vs being shot in that same leg by the enemy > looks like the pertinent one. A wound is broken skin and in battle by enemy action An injury is something which hurts and incapacitates but the skin has not been cut by an enemy weapon My father was a casualty, he drowned with HMS Somali but he was neither wounded nor injured as far as we know. Hugh W

>I was just wondering if anyone had anything on the Galbraith last There are GAILBRAITHs listed in the "Cyclopedia of Cambria Co., PA', pub in 1896 and reprinted in 1980, ISBN 0-87152-322-1. Some were there til at least the 1950s as I had a cousin with that surname, but have lost track. There is/was the eminent economist by that name... I don't know where he was from. I think it was "John Kenneth G." but I'm not sure. He should be in a "Who's Who" in your local library. Regards, Clifford Sayre in Silver Spring, MD