Diane, Thanks for the info! I did just receive a "did not find" from the NYC Municipal Archives. But luckily I received the information from the church they were married in! BTW, do you know if there are any volunteers that will look up Death Certificates at the NYC Department of Health? Rob Diane I. <dti@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message news:314aa450.0204190626.106242a@posting.google.com... > "Rob Stieglitz" <rstieglitz@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:<8kqs8.5941$7K.1186075847@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>... > > Does anyone know what year the law required marriage registration with the > > city? I have a marriage record from the church but would like more > > information that a city marriage certificate would supply. The couple > > married in the year 1907 in what is now the Bronx. Would the New York > > Municipal Archives have this certificate? > > > > Rob > > Hi Rob, > Yes, if the marriage was recorded, it does fall into the time frame of > what is in their holdings. If you don't already have a certificate > number, they have to first search the index in order to find it. What > I have found several times is that misspellings occur in the index, > even if the record has the name spelled correctly. The clerks there > are very helpful but also very busy so the just don't have time to > search for every possible spelling. There are other reasons why they > may not have found it - it may have been missed and never indexed, > although the record exists. This would require a time-consuming > search through the films, record by record, looking for the date you > have. You need an exact date (obviously) to do this. > > You may want to ask someone to do a Look-up for you, by posting a > message at ROOTS-L, a Lookup mailing list, or NYC mailing list, etc. > I would offer, but I've got an extensive list of lookups to do right > now, and have no idea when I'll be at the Archives next, so I can't at > this time. > > FYI... > Here is a listing of Vital Records in the Municpal Archives holdings: > (from http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/doris/html/3vital.html) > > Birth, death and marriage records are filed and indexed according to > the locality (Borough) in which the event occurred: > MANHATTAN > Births > * July 1847-1848; > * July 1853-1909 > Deaths > * 1795; > * 1802-1804; > * 1808; > * 1812-1948 > Marriages > * June 1847-1848; > * July 1853-1929 > > BROOKLYN > Births > * 1866-1909 > Deaths > * 1847-1853; > * 1857-1948 > Marriages > * 1866-1929 > > There are separate marriage and death records for Kings County Towns: > * Flatbush, 1847-1851; 1880-1894, > * Flatlands, 1880-1895, > * Gravesend, 1880-1894, > * New Lots, 1881-1886 and New Utrecht, 1880-1894. > > BRONX > Births > * 1898-1909 > Deaths > * 1898-1948 > Marriages > * 1898-1929 > > The Bronx did not exist as separate Borough until 1898. > > New York City (Manhattan) annexed the area west of the Bronx River in > 1874 and annexed the area east of the Bronx River in 1895. > > For vital records in those areas after the date of annexation through > 1897, request a search of Manhattan records. > > QUEENS > Births > * 1898-1909 > Deaths > * 1898-1948 > Marriages > * 1898-1929 > > Pre-consolidation Town and Village vital records, 1847-1849; > 1881-1897, and Long Island City, 1871-1897. > > RICHMOND > Births > * 1898-1909 > Deaths > * 1898-1948 > Marriages > * 1898-1929 > > Pre-consolidation Town and Village vital records, 1847-1849; 1881 - > 1897. > > Hope this is helpful! > Diane I.

And it is a *major* witch to find something when all you've got by way of Locale is "Baltimore". Some parts of the city became part of the City later than other parts did. (g) ARGHHHH. Cheryl Barb Wise wrote: > > The City of Baltimore website at > http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/01glance/html/county.html > indicates the following: > > For much of Maryland, local government typically is county government. > Baltimore City, although a municipality, has been considered on a par with > county jurisdictions since the adoption of the Maryland Constitution of > 1851. > > Twenty-four main local jurisdictions are found in Maryland. They include > twenty-three counties and Baltimore City. > > Additionally, they list Baltimore City as a County. So, while the City of > Baltimore is not part of the County of Baltimore, based on the City of > Baltimore website, they are part of the County of the City of Baltimore. > > -- > Barb > Orange County, Indiana, Marriage Record Index: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~woodhousegenealogy/ > "Singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message > news:3CC46C68.821D4B18@erols.com... > > Don Nickell wrote: > > > > > > What is the generally accepted practice for the County entry for a City > > that is independant? E.g. Norfolk, VA and Baltimore, MD are listed as > > independant cities, i.e., not within a county. These are only two of > many. > > > > > > > > > > Dunno that it's "standard" or even "acceptable", but I put the > > parent county in in (parens). Many of the references are > > organized by County, and when I happen NOT to remember where > > Salem Va is, having the county name helps. (g) At least with the > > co. name, I end up in the right part of the state! > > > > Cheryl

D. Stussy wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Don Nickell wrote: > >"Barbara A. Brown" wrote: > >> Don Nickell wrote: > >> > > >> > I checked the Internet for "independant city" and came up with a lot of them. > >> > >> and how many hits for the correct spelling "independent city" ? <g> > > > >What's in a name? Potatoe, potato; programmer, programer. ;-P > > Only for the illiterate. > > Louisiana: The parishes ARE counties, just under a different name! > > Within the Continential U.S., I stand by my comment that Washington, DC is the > only city not located physically (not jurisdictionally, but that's true too > for it) within a county. The "District" is equivalent to a territory, not a > county. However true that may be to an observer, the city, county, and state officials involved in Virginia's Independent Cities disagree. County officials point out they have NOTHING to do the the City, which isn't part of the county, even if it is geographically _in_ the county. City officials have been known to argue that the city isn't within the geographic county, but is a separate entity surrounded by a different separate entity. As I've said privately, I don't understand it, and I don't approve, but it DOES seem to exist officially. And you'll play hob trying to find records about people in the City of Baltimore by looking the records for Baltimore County. They do NOT overlap. Cheryl

In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204231913040.24627-100000@exp.bde-arc.ampr.org> kd6lvw@att.net writes: >Louisiana: The parishes ARE counties, just under a different name! > >Within the Continential U.S., I stand by my comment that Washington, DC is the >only city not located physically (not jurisdictionally, but that's true too >for it) within a county. The "District" is equivalent to a territory, not a >county. > You are mostly right. Unless I am mistaken, Rhode Island does not have counties. I thought there was another state that doesn't have counties, but that may have been the county/parish thing. -- |Drew Lawson | Mrs. Tweedy! | |drew@furrfu.com | The chickens are revolting! | |http://www.furrfu.com/ | |

On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, SkyNet News wrote: >And what about Genealogist - Geneologist :) Just as long as it's not a Geologist, unless of course, one is searching for a relative with rocks in his head! :-) >"Charles Sullivan" <cwsulliv@triad.rr.com> wrote in message >news:pan.2002.04.23.15.01.14.976492.13387@triad.rr.com... >> On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:45:09 -0400, Don Nickell wrote: >> >> > "Barbara A. Brown" wrote: >> >> >> >> Don Nickell wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I checked the Internet for "independant city" and came up with a lot >> >> > of them. >> >> >> >> and how many hits for the correct spelling "independent city" ? <g> >> > >> > What's in a name? Potatoe, potato; programmer, programer. ;-P >> >> One newsgroup poster complained he couldn't find anything at all on the >> web when he ran a search for the Irish "POTATOE FAMEN". :-) >> >> Schools for the most part place very little emphasis on correct spelling >> nowadays. Just as we usually check for alternate/misspelled surnames in >> census and other records, it's often worthwhile to run web searches with >> common word misspellings in addition to the correct spellings. Perhaps web >> search engines will one day be smart enough to do this automatically.

On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Don Nickell wrote: >"Barbara A. Brown" wrote: >> Don Nickell wrote: >> > >> > I checked the Internet for "independant city" and came up with a lot of them. >> >> and how many hits for the correct spelling "independent city" ? <g> > >What's in a name? Potatoe, potato; programmer, programer. ;-P Only for the illiterate. Louisiana: The parishes ARE counties, just under a different name! Within the Continential U.S., I stand by my comment that Washington, DC is the only city not located physically (not jurisdictionally, but that's true too for it) within a county. The "District" is equivalent to a territory, not a county.

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In article <3CC47008.135B8205@icehouse.net> Don Nickell <dnickell@icehouse.net> writes: >I checked the Internet for "independant city" and came up with a lot of them. I know >many are in their own county, Los Alamos, NM I know of for instance. But, the ones I >found on the Internet say "independant city"; I'll get some and post here. > >While waiting for Fairfax, VA to load: I've used the USGS City County Finder for >years and the listing for e.g., County: Fairfax(c). It's Web Page sez: >"Today Fairfax serves as the county seat for Fairfax County, despite having a >completely independant government of it's own (!)." Many encorporated cities in (for example) Virginia are separate from the containing county for governmental purposes. So you might pay city taxes on something and be exempt from county taxes. But for genealogy, I've always viewed these as locations, not jurisdictions. I'd list Fairfax as "Fairfax, Fairfax, Virginia" if I had any events to record. -- |Drew Lawson | Mrs. Tweedy! | |drew@furrfu.com | The chickens are revolting! | |http://www.furrfu.com/ | |

The City of Baltimore website at http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/mdmanual/01glance/html/county.html indicates the following: For much of Maryland, local government typically is county government. Baltimore City, although a municipality, has been considered on a par with county jurisdictions since the adoption of the Maryland Constitution of 1851. Twenty-four main local jurisdictions are found in Maryland. They include twenty-three counties and Baltimore City. Additionally, they list Baltimore City as a County. So, while the City of Baltimore is not part of the County of Baltimore, based on the City of Baltimore website, they are part of the County of the City of Baltimore. -- Barb Orange County, Indiana, Marriage Record Index: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~woodhousegenealogy/ "Singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message news:3CC46C68.821D4B18@erols.com... > Don Nickell wrote: > > > > What is the generally accepted practice for the County entry for a City > that is independant? E.g. Norfolk, VA and Baltimore, MD are listed as > independant cities, i.e., not within a county. These are only two of > many. > > > > > > Dunno that it's "standard" or even "acceptable", but I put the > parent county in in (parens). Many of the references are > organized by County, and when I happen NOT to remember where > Salem Va is, having the county name helps. (g) At least with the > co. name, I end up in the right part of the state! > > Cheryl

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:28:00 -0500, Jennie Shingfield wrote: > Hi > ><snip> > > Looking at USA and Australian 'phone book' websites, there appears to only be 2 people in the US > called Shingfield! I find this hard to believe and was wondering if anyone had any suggestion on > finding more detailed searches. > > I've also tried the variations Shinkfield and Shinfield, but to no avail. > Have you tried Google? or All the Web?

Charles Sullivan wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:45:09 -0400, Don Nickell wrote: > > > "Barbara A. Brown" wrote: > >> > >> Don Nickell wrote: > >> > > >> > I checked the Internet for "independant city" and came up with a lot > >> > of them. > >> > >> and how many hits for the correct spelling "independent city" ? <g> > > > > What's in a name? Potatoe, potato; programmer, programer. ;-P > > One newsgroup poster complained he couldn't find anything at all on the > web when he ran a search for the Irish "POTATOE FAMEN". :-) > > Schools for the most part place very little emphasis on correct spelling > nowadays. Just as we usually check for alternate/misspelled surnames in > census and other records, it's often worthwhile to run web searches with > common word misspellings in addition to the correct spellings. Perhaps web > search engines will one day be smart enough to do this automatically. Hehehe, that's funny, Charles. Google does. I are an engineer (retired) and never really took a spelling class. Now with spell checkers even in my e-mail composer of NetScape I don't have to learn. Modern word processers are even better, (by option) they underline the misspelled word so you know you did! I love technology! ;-) Don

And what about Genealogist - Geneologist :) "Charles Sullivan" <cwsulliv@triad.rr.com> wrote in message news:pan.2002.04.23.15.01.14.976492.13387@triad.rr.com... > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:45:09 -0400, Don Nickell wrote: > > > "Barbara A. Brown" wrote: > >> > >> Don Nickell wrote: > >> > > >> > I checked the Internet for "independant city" and came up with a lot > >> > of them. > >> > >> and how many hits for the correct spelling "independent city" ? <g> > > > > What's in a name? Potatoe, potato; programmer, programer. ;-P > > One newsgroup poster complained he couldn't find anything at all on the > web when he ran a search for the Irish "POTATOE FAMEN". :-) > > Schools for the most part place very little emphasis on correct spelling > nowadays. Just as we usually check for alternate/misspelled surnames in > census and other records, it's often worthwhile to run web searches with > common word misspellings in addition to the correct spellings. Perhaps web > search engines will one day be smart enough to do this automatically. >

You could just leave the county blank empty, or you could write in Not Applicable so that another user will not think that there's some sort of mistake. (Those of you who wrote in to suggest that there are no cities which are not in counties - didn't you read the original posting carefully? Baltimore City is geographically and governmentally entirely separate from Baltimore County.) A. Royall Whitaker, Gent. Often in erorr, never in doubt

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:45:09 -0400, Don Nickell wrote: > "Barbara A. Brown" wrote: >> >> Don Nickell wrote: >> > >> > I checked the Internet for "independant city" and came up with a lot >> > of them. >> >> and how many hits for the correct spelling "independent city" ? <g> > > What's in a name? Potatoe, potato; programmer, programer. ;-P One newsgroup poster complained he couldn't find anything at all on the web when he ran a search for the Irish "POTATOE FAMEN". :-) Schools for the most part place very little emphasis on correct spelling nowadays. Just as we usually check for alternate/misspelled surnames in census and other records, it's often worthwhile to run web searches with common word misspellings in addition to the correct spellings. Perhaps web search engines will one day be smart enough to do this automatically.

Hi Jennie, When I was starting out I emailed everyone called EXTON I could find. A useful source was http://www.infospace.com/ which has email addresses for 13 SHINGFIELDS (might not be 13 different people & one of them is you) Then there are 3 more emaill addresses at http://people.yahoo.com/ For some reason www.bigfoot.com isn't responding right now, but you might find more there. Worldwide phonebooks are here: http://www.teldir.com/ It might be an idea to post again & include SHINGFIELD in the header:-) hope that helps, LizR On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:28:00 +0100, "Jennie Shingfield" <jennie@put+my+surname+here.com> wrote: >Hi > >I couldn't find anything in the faqs about this, so apologies if this is a >newbie question. > >I'm attempting to locate all people with the Shingfield surname that are >currently living. I've already used the UK Info CD (trial version) to find >all 64 families in England from telephone and electoral role details. > >Looking at USA and Australian 'phone book' websites, there appears to only >be 2 people in the US called Shingfield! I find this hard to believe and was >wondering if anyone had any suggestion on finding more detailed searches. > >I've also tried the variations Shinkfield and Shinfield, but to no avail. > >Can anyone help! :) > > >Jennie Shingfield >jennie@put+my+surname+here.com > > > > >

"Jennie Shingfield" <jennie@put+my+surname+here.com> wrote in message news:lf%w8.10588$z%3.2194305@monolith.news.easynet.net... > Hi > > I couldn't find anything in the faqs about this, so apologies if this is a > newbie question. > > I'm attempting to locate all people with the Shingfield surname that are > currently living. I've already used the UK Info CD (trial version) to find > all 64 families in England from telephone and electoral role details. > > Looking at USA and Australian 'phone book' websites, there appears to only > be 2 people in the US called Shingfield! I find this hard to believe and was > wondering if anyone had any suggestion on finding more detailed searches. > > I've also tried the variations Shinkfield and Shinfield, but to no avail. > > Can anyone help! :) > > US Ellis Island immigration records 1892-1924 find zero listings for all three spellings! US phone listings at Ancestry.com find zero for SHINGFIELD, 2 for SHINFIELD and 3 for SHINKFIELD. Robert Jerin

Hi Jennie, When I was starting out I emailed everyone called EXTON I could find. A useful source was http://www.infospace.com/ which has email addresses for 13 SHINGFIELDS (might not be 13 different people & one of them is you) Then there are 3 more emaill addresses at http://people.yahoo.com/ For some reason www.bigfoot.com isn't responding right now, but you might find more there. Worldwide phonebooks are here: http://www.teldir.com/ It might be an idea to post again & include SHINGFIELD in the header:-) hope that helps, LizR On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:28:00 +0100, "Jennie Shingfield" <jennie@put+my+surname+here.com> wrote: >Hi > >I couldn't find anything in the faqs about this, so apologies if this is a >newbie question. > >I'm attempting to locate all people with the Shingfield surname that are >currently living. I've already used the UK Info CD (trial version) to find >all 64 families in England from telephone and electoral role details. > >Looking at USA and Australian 'phone book' websites, there appears to only >be 2 people in the US called Shingfield! I find this hard to believe and was >wondering if anyone had any suggestion on finding more detailed searches. > >I've also tried the variations Shinkfield and Shinfield, but to no avail. > >Can anyone help! :) > > >Jennie Shingfield >jennie@put+my+surname+here.com > > > > >

Hi Jennie, When I was starting out I emailed everyone called EXTON I could find. A useful source was http://www.infospace.com/ which has email addresses for 13 SHINGFIELDS (might not be 13 different people & one of them is you) Then there are 3 more emaill addresses at http://people.yahoo.com/ For some reason www.bigfoot.com isn't responding right now, but you might find more there. Worldwide phonebooks are here: http://www.teldir.com/ It might be an idea to post again & include SHINGFIELD in the header:-) hope that helps, LizR On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:28:00 +0100, "Jennie Shingfield" <jennie@put+my+surname+here.com> wrote: >Hi > >I couldn't find anything in the faqs about this, so apologies if this is a >newbie question. > >I'm attempting to locate all people with the Shingfield surname that are >currently living. I've already used the UK Info CD (trial version) to find >all 64 families in England from telephone and electoral role details. > >Looking at USA and Australian 'phone book' websites, there appears to only >be 2 people in the US called Shingfield! I find this hard to believe and was >wondering if anyone had any suggestion on finding more detailed searches. > >I've also tried the variations Shinkfield and Shinfield, but to no avail. > >Can anyone help! :) > > >Jennie Shingfield >jennie@put+my+surname+here.com > > > > >

Massive snippage of several articles. I wish I had followed this thread from the start, but when I bumped into it things had become somewhat 'odd'. It strikes me that "wounded" would be an injury caused by enemy action, i.e. bullet/bayonet/bomb. "Injury" on the other hand would be considered as to be caused by something other than by enemy action. I'm thinking of injury causes like "Cut himself while shaving" and "Fell into latrine pit while drunk"...(g)...m

Hi, I am researching the Bishop family of Montgomery/Floyd/Russell/ etc counties in Virginia, USA, and also the Mayo families from Henrico/Albermarle/Goochland/... counties in Virginia. The Mayo families also have ties to Barbados, Dorset, Wiltshire, Devon, Berkshire etc England- The Bishop's were formally Bischoff's from Oberhausen Germany- Anyone else researching any of the families, I'd love to hear from you. Thanks, -- Nancyb