On 29 Apr 2002 in soc.genealogy.misc, Jim Elbrecht wrote: > Well, as soon as you finish those you can read the ones that are > really at UMich. I just noticed I said UMich & gave the link to > Cornell's site. I like Cornell's set-up a little better, but UMich > has a whole different dataset; > http://moa.umdl.umich.edu/ Aw, you just meant UMich's eastern campus... I did notice that Cornell had a lot more Twain than UMich. > Has the whole world seen the commercial [for a Cable ISP] where the > geeky-guy is hunched over his computer, then sits up & announces to > his wife "I'm done . . . .I've read the whole internet." I want to > ask him if he's read all the MOA, Gutenberg Text, & American Memory > pages.<g> Not to mention Bartelby, ... End of the internet: http://www.mythologic.net/end -- Joe Makowiec can be reached at: makowiec(at)nycap(dot)rr(dot)com

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rscanlon@naisp.net (Ray Scanlon) wrote: -snip- > >There's no definite evidence. Two deaths at sea seemed maybe a little more >than coincidence; of course, I could say the same thing about two suicides. Not to support your suicide theory, but suicides do run in families and to a lesser extent acquaintances. -snip- >Right, two men. Up 'til now captain's logs haven't been part of my >experience but I had hoped that report might have made it back to the >hometown for the death on the way to California. The other, Civil War >death, clearly requires a look at his service record. Since you don't know the ship yet, the captain's log is out. Newspapers on both ends might hold a clue. The probate is definitely worth looking for. [along with more probing into the source of the information on the exact date] If the soldier/sailor was married, or sole support of his parents or sister, I'd skip right over the record and ask for a pension. -snip- >> I went to UMich's MOA site- >> http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/moa_adv.html , selected 1850-1865 & >> used 'suicide' as a search term. . . I got 827 matches. -snip- >Thanks for your efforts, and also the link - another good tool I was >unaware of. Tonight I start to read the 907,750 pages there, and next >weekend I'll have a go at the 267 monograph volumes <g>. Well, as soon as you finish those you can read the ones that are really at UMich. I just noticed I said UMich & gave the link to Cornell's site. I like Cornell's set-up a little better, but UMich has a whole different dataset; http://moa.umdl.umich.edu/ Has the whole world seen the commercial [for a Cable ISP] where the geeky-guy is hunched over his computer, then sits up & announces to his wife "I'm done . . . .I've read the whole internet." I want to ask him if he's read all the MOA, Gutenberg Text, & American Memory pages.<g> Jim [and because I know someone will ask-- Project Gutenberg is explained at http://promo.net/pg/ and American Memory at http://memory.loc.gov/ -- both are free and non-commercial.]

In article <kn4pcuou01cbjo92546u7s9mgdufin12sd@4ax.com>, jelbrech@nycap.rr.com wrote: > rscanlon@naisp.net (Ray Scanlon) wrote: > > >I have a couple of ancestors who "died at sea" - one in 1853 on a voyage > >from Massachusetts to Califonia, the other in Union service during the > >Civil War. Granted, these were not risk-free endeavors, but has anyone > >heard the term "died at sea" used to mean suicide? Also, where did deaths > >at sea get recorded (I haven't found a Massachusetts record for my first > >case above)? Thanks. > > Curious why you suspect suicides? There's no definite evidence. Two deaths at sea seemed maybe a little more than coincidence; of course, I could say the same thing about two suicides. Then there's the laconic great uncle who now and again drops a pearl like "There was talk of a suicide in the family" (with no other details, naturally). I found this Civil War death at sea a day ago, and it seemed possible it could have been a suicide (unlike, say, typhoid fever), especially if I were ignorant of an obsolete usage of "died at sea." > I've never heard 'died at sea' to mean anything other than 'died at > sea'. It could be from several causes . .. violence by other > humans- [pirates or enemies], accidents, illness, washed overboard . > . . > > Both mens[?] deaths were most likely recorded in the Captains log. > The sailor/soldier would also be recorded in his unit's records as > well as his own service record. Union Army records are fairly > complete, but I'm not sure of Navy/Marine records. [if you don't know > th branch of service, don't assume Navy--- the Navy delivered both > soldiers and Marines to battles.] Right, two men. Up 'til now captain's logs haven't been part of my experience but I had hoped that report might have made it back to the hometown for the death on the way to California. The other, Civil War death, clearly requires a look at his service record. > Before I sent this, I gave my 'quick and dirty test of terms' to the > two terms, 'died at sea' and suicide. > > I went to UMich's MOA site- > http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/moa_adv.html , selected 1850-1865 & > used 'suicide' as a search term. . . I got 827 matches. > > Using 'died at sea' as a term, I only got 12. > > So I'd say suicide was a pretty common term in that era & probably > would have been used to describe a death if that was what it was. Thanks for your efforts, and also the link - another good tool I was unaware of. Tonight I start to read the 907,750 pages there, and next weekend I'll have a go at the 267 monograph volumes <g>. > Jim

In article <Xns91FEC69B6F6E5makowiecatnycapdotrE@24.24.0.10>, Joe Makowiec <makowiec@nycap.rEMOVECAPSr.com> wrote: > On 28 Apr 2002 in soc.genealogy.misc, Ray Scanlon wrote: > > > I have a couple of ancestors who "died at sea" - one in 1853 on a > > voyage from Massachusetts to Califonia, the other in Union service > > during the Civil War. Granted, these were not risk-free endeavors, > > but has anyone heard the term "died at sea" used to mean suicide? > > Nope. > > > Also, where did deaths at sea get recorded (I haven't found a > > Massachusetts record for my first case above)? Thanks. > > I should think in the ship's log? Do you have any details about the > death? Who owned the ship? The Massachusetts to California voyage in > 1853 would have involved the trip around Tierra del Fuego, so would have > passed by a number of different civil jurisdictions. Joe, thanks for your time. Ship's log certainly seems reasonable. If only I knew the ship! The only detail on the death I have is a line in an 1881 town history: "d. on voyage to Cal., Feb. 16, 1853." I was unclear above about what Mass. record I didn't get - I tried to get a Mass. death certificate, hoping that the death had been filed somewhere and reported back (an iffy proposition, but a place to start). The probate records film is on order; maybe I'll get lucky there. Haven't even begun to look for the maritime records, but having the exact day of death implies that *somebody* knew something about it at the time. Maybe there's a local newspaper account to be had. > > -- > Joe Makowiec can be reached at: > makowiec(at)nycap(dot)rr(dot)com

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rscanlon@naisp.net (Ray Scanlon) wrote: >I have a couple of ancestors who "died at sea" - one in 1853 on a voyage >from Massachusetts to Califonia, the other in Union service during the >Civil War. Granted, these were not risk-free endeavors, but has anyone >heard the term "died at sea" used to mean suicide? Also, where did deaths >at sea get recorded (I haven't found a Massachusetts record for my first >case above)? Thanks. Curious why you suspect suicides? I've never heard 'died at sea' to mean anything other than 'died at sea'. It could be from several causes . .. violence by other humans- [pirates or enemies], accidents, illness, washed overboard . . . Both mens[?] deaths were most likely recorded in the Captains log. The sailor/soldier would also be recorded in his unit's records as well as his own service record. Union Army records are fairly complete, but I'm not sure of Navy/Marine records. [if you don't know th branch of service, don't assume Navy--- the Navy delivered both soldiers and Marines to battles.] Before I sent this, I gave my 'quick and dirty test of terms' to the two terms, 'died at sea' and suicide. I went to UMich's MOA site- http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/moa_adv.html , selected 1850-1865 & used 'suicide' as a search term. . . I got 827 matches. Using 'died at sea' as a term, I only got 12. So I'd say suicide was a pretty common term in that era & probably would have been used to describe a death if that was what it was. Jim

On 28 Apr 2002 in soc.genealogy.misc, Ray Scanlon wrote: > I have a couple of ancestors who "died at sea" - one in 1853 on a > voyage from Massachusetts to Califonia, the other in Union service > during the Civil War. Granted, these were not risk-free endeavors, > but has anyone heard the term "died at sea" used to mean suicide? Nope. > Also, where did deaths at sea get recorded (I haven't found a > Massachusetts record for my first case above)? Thanks. I should think in the ship's log? Do you have any details about the death? Who owned the ship? The Massachusetts to California voyage in 1853 would have involved the trip around Tierra del Fuego, so would have passed by a number of different civil jurisdictions. -- Joe Makowiec can be reached at: makowiec(at)nycap(dot)rr(dot)com

I have a couple of ancestors who "died at sea" - one in 1853 on a voyage from Massachusetts to Califonia, the other in Union service during the Civil War. Granted, these were not risk-free endeavors, but has anyone heard the term "died at sea" used to mean suicide? Also, where did deaths at sea get recorded (I haven't found a Massachusetts record for my first case above)? Thanks. Ray Scanlon rscanlon@naisp.net

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