On Wed, 1 May 2002 06:30:25 -0500, shmartonak@ticnet.com wrote: > > >On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Sara wrote: > >> Anybody watching Frontier House? (For those not in the USA, it's a >> television program following 3 families who are trying to recreate the >> experience of homesteading in Montana in 1883.) The first episode >> was on Sunday 29 April, to be followed on Monday and Tuesday. > >I guess I'm in the minority (story of my life), but I was disappointed. I >enjoyed the Victorian House show that was done last year and was looking >forward to Frontier Hous. Instead of getting a lot of hows and why of >frontier life, we got whining about no makeup and commentary about who's >on the virge of divorce. The show was more about the people playing the >roles than it was about frontier life. > >JMHO > >-- I know what you mean. As the series goes on, it's more of a soap opera than a documentary. I'm not interested in the family feuds. On last night's episode, the homesteaders had to put up fences within a week to protect their land from a cattle drive. The series showed them putting in fence posts and stringing barbed wire. My question was - where did the fence posts come from? They looked way too uniform to have been made by the homesteaders, and anyway there wasn't time from them to make all those posts. Maybe there was a lumber mill nearby - it would have been interesting to see how they would trade their stuff for fenceposts. I'd rather see that than Gordon worrying about his weight loss (didn't it ever occur to him that he was getting in shape????). Sara

"Bill Guest" <cccinc@mcsi.net> wrote in message news:newscache$yo15vg$j1e$1@phaze.fireserve.net... > I have an almost brand new boxed ( set of "The Complete Peerage of England, > Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom." Extant, Extinct or > Dormant, 13v. by G. E. Cokayne, et al. (London: St. Catherine's Press, > 1910-1959). This is a complete biographical & genealogical dictionary of > every peer in England from the rank of Lord to members of the Royal Family > with information on their spouse(s) and parents. > Is this a later edition of the publication of the same title from 1790 being offered in a scanned-to-cd version by the Archive CD Books Project? http://www.rod-neep.co.uk/ Lesley Robertson

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Sara wrote: > Anybody watching Frontier House? (For those not in the USA, it's a > television program following 3 families who are trying to recreate the > experience of homesteading in Montana in 1883.) The first episode > was on Sunday 29 April, to be followed on Monday and Tuesday. I guess I'm in the minority (story of my life), but I was disappointed. I enjoyed the Victorian House show that was done last year and was looking forward to Frontier Hous. Instead of getting a lot of hows and why of frontier life, we got whining about no makeup and commentary about who's on the virge of divorce. The show was more about the people playing the roles than it was about frontier life. JMHO --

Someone who looks an awful lot like Ann-Louise Paulsson <paulsson@telia.com> wrote: > My name is Ann-Louise, I live in Stockholm, Sweden, and I'm looking for > relatives in the U.S. > and hope anyone can help me. I'm originally from Vetlanda in Småland > (southern Sweden) and that's where my American relatives emigrated from. Hi, Ann-Louise! Perhaps you will find more help in soc.genealogy.nordic - there are quite a few very knowledgeable folks about that part of the world there. See you there, Dave Hinz

I have ancestors who were living in Minnesota at the time. They were poor farmers who were, undoubtedly, living in the same conditions as the people in Frontier House. Also, in a similarly rigorous climate! I'm totally fascinated by the show. My ancestors got on the railroad to Seattle as soon as it went through. I'm sure they found living in Seattle considerably easier than in Minnesota which is why they left. Donna "Sara" <sssss@noaddress.com> wrote in message news:3cced569.174978697@news.cybercomm.net... > Anybody watching Frontier House? (For those not in the USA, it's a > television program following 3 families who are trying to recreate the > experience of homesteading in Montana in 1883.) The first episode > was on Sunday 29 April, to be followed on Monday and Tuesday. > > My maternal grandparents and my great-aunt and great-uncle on Dad's > side both homesteaded in Colorado around 1910. I'm getting a big kick > out of Frontier House - even though it's set earlier than the > experience my folks had, I think a lot of it would be familiar to > them. > > On Sunday's episode, one of the mothers sent her kids out to fetch the > cow, which had wandered off. She'd washed the day before and the > clothes weren't all dry yet - and it was snowing. One of the kids > went out in the snow wearing just her undies, I guess, and a blanket. > I don't think an 1883 mom would have done that. From my memories of > the older folks in my family (grandma born 1879, parents and their > sibs born 1902-1914), people were a lot more concerned about catching > cold than we are today, because colds could and did lead to pneumonia > and made one more susceptable to diseases we immunize against today. > Antibiotics have made a big difference in our attitudes! I think > people then were a lot more aware of the frailty of human life. > > > Any other homesteaders' descendants out there who are watching this > program? > > Sara

My wife's aunt Ella Rose Dean was born on the plains of Nebraska in 1888. She wound up getting a degree in Education at Illinois State Normal University around 1915 or so. She was the one that gathered and kept all the family genealogy info including pictures dating to 1868. "Sara" <sssss@noaddress.com> wrote in message news:3cced569.174978697@news.cybercomm.net... > Anybody watching Frontier House? (For those not in the USA, it's a > television program following 3 families who are trying to recreate the > experience of homesteading in Montana in 1883.) The first episode > was on Sunday 29 April, to be followed on Monday and Tuesday. > > My maternal grandparents and my great-aunt and great-uncle on Dad's > side both homesteaded in Colorado around 1910. I'm getting a big kick > out of Frontier House - even though it's set earlier than the > experience my folks had, I think a lot of it would be familiar to > them. > > On Sunday's episode, one of the mothers sent her kids out to fetch the > cow, which had wandered off. She'd washed the day before and the > clothes weren't all dry yet - and it was snowing. One of the kids > went out in the snow wearing just her undies, I guess, and a blanket. > I don't think an 1883 mom would have done that. From my memories of > the older folks in my family (grandma born 1879, parents and their > sibs born 1902-1914), people were a lot more concerned about catching > cold than we are today, because colds could and did lead to pneumonia > and made one more susceptable to diseases we immunize against today. > Antibiotics have made a big difference in our attitudes! I think > people then were a lot more aware of the frailty of human life. > > > Any other homesteaders' descendants out there who are watching this > program? > > Sara

sssss@noaddress.com (Sara) wrote in news:3cced569.174978697@news.cybercomm.net: > Anybody watching Frontier House? (For those not in the USA, it's a > television program following 3 families who are trying to recreate the > experience of homesteading in Montana in 1883.) The first episode > was on Sunday 29 April, to be followed on Monday and Tuesday. > <snip> > > Any other homesteaders' descendants out there who are watching this > program? > > Sara My great-great grandfather settled in Bannack, Montana in 1862. That was after travelling from Bangor Maine to Australia (by 1854), back to Bangor then to Central City Colorado (1860), back to Bangor (1861) and then to Montana. Wives and children were involved in the travels. Phew. Supposedly one of his children was killed by Indians near Miles City, MT (although I don't know how to verify that....) Ya gotta remember, the father of that particular family said he hadn't even mowed his own lawn for 16 years... they hired people to do just about everything for them. They had *no* idea what the real world was like, let alone frontier life! And as much as they whined about not being able to wear makeup.... it seems at this point that they're *really* out of their element! Any good frontier family would have made their food last longer too! Sherry

My name is Ann-Louise, I live in Stockholm, Sweden, and I'm looking for relatives in the U.S. and hope anyone can help me. I'm originally from Vetlanda in Småland (southern Sweden) and that's where my American relatives emigrated from. I'm looking for second cousins to my mother and third cousins to me. The people I'm looking for are descendants to Carl Ahlstrand. Carl Ahlstrand was born July 3rd, 1862 and died dec 3, 1959, he was my grandfathers (mothers father) uncle on his mothers side. My grandfathers mothers name was Josefina Ahlstrand, and she was a sister to Carl Ahlstrand. Their dads name was Sven Jonas Ahlstrand. Carl Ahlstrand spent some years in the U.S. but returned to Sweden before his death and died here in Sweden 1959. This Carl Ahlstrand had five children (at least in his second marriage, which was with Hilma Johansson born 1866 and dead 1909) and the childrens name were Rudolph, Adina (Dina), Ebba, Waldi (maybe Waldy or Valdy), and Axel. There might also have been a son named Efraim. These children were my grandfathers first cousins. I'm actually not sure if Rudolph was born in Carl's first marriage or his second, I have some different information about that. I think that he lived in Chicago and I know he once went back to Sweden together with his father Carl. My mother remembers meeting him here. I know that Adina Ahlstrand lives/lived in Chicago, she was born 1899. About Ebba, I know that she settled down in the state of Washington somewhere in Seattle or close to Seattle. I also know that she was married to a man with the name I.O. Nopson (that was probably her second marriage), and I have an old adress to Ebba A. M. Nopson, 315 N.E. 166, Seattle, Washington. Ebba had at least one child, a daughter named Vernette who were probably born some time around 1935. Ebba were born Dec 6, 1897 and died (probably) dec 21 1996. Ebba and Vernette went back to Sweden about 40 years ago (not sure exactly when), for a visit, I have a newspaper article about that. Waldi were probably the only child who stayed in Sweden, born 1906 and died 1959. Axel (middle name Carl) were born 1901 and died 1995. (some of the birthdates and dates for the death I found on the internet so I'm not sure that they are all correct). I also have an adress to an Edward Ahlstrand in Boulder, who should be Carl Ahlstrands grandson, but never got a reply when I wrote to him. I would be very happy for any help I can get! //Ann-Louise paulsson@telia.com -- My homepage:http://w1.383.telia.com/~u38300109/ettan.html AOL screenname: annlouise30 ICQ: 3189296

Thomas Of Dorset POMEROY DOB: (Bef 1328) Married Joan CHEDLEIGH DOB: (1330) -------- I am trying to find out who the parents of Thomas Of Dorset Pomeroy was, and trace that chute back as far as I can. If anyone can help me . . . Jkeagle13@aol.com

Jim Elbrecht wrote: > > rscanlon@naisp.net (Ray Scanlon) wrote: > > -snip- > >Right, two men. Up 'til now captain's logs haven't been part of my > >experience but I had hoped that report might have made it back to the > >hometown for the death on the way to California. The other, Civil War > >death, clearly requires a look at his service record. > > Since you don't know the ship yet, the captain's log is out. > Newspapers on both ends might hold a clue. The probate is definitely > worth looking for. [along with more probing into the source of the > information on the exact date] > Yes, but once more, the local newspaper (particularly if Ray is in the area where the man lived!) might pay off handsomely in both instances. For the en route to California death, check the newspapers beginning a month BEFORE the death date looking for a mention that he sailed aboard the SS Minnow or whatever and keep reading until roughly 4 months after the deathdate for mention of the death aboard the SS Whale or whatever. > If the soldier/sailor was married, or sole support of his parents or > sister, I'd skip right over the record and ask for a pension. Wouldn't his age play there? An 18-yr-old wouldn't be likely to be sole-support in the days of large families (i.e., 1860s). Cheryl

Anybody watching Frontier House? (For those not in the USA, it's a television program following 3 families who are trying to recreate the experience of homesteading in Montana in 1883.) The first episode was on Sunday 29 April, to be followed on Monday and Tuesday. My maternal grandparents and my great-aunt and great-uncle on Dad's side both homesteaded in Colorado around 1910. I'm getting a big kick out of Frontier House - even though it's set earlier than the experience my folks had, I think a lot of it would be familiar to them. On Sunday's episode, one of the mothers sent her kids out to fetch the cow, which had wandered off. She'd washed the day before and the clothes weren't all dry yet - and it was snowing. One of the kids went out in the snow wearing just her undies, I guess, and a blanket. I don't think an 1883 mom would have done that. From my memories of the older folks in my family (grandma born 1879, parents and their sibs born 1902-1914), people were a lot more concerned about catching cold than we are today, because colds could and did lead to pneumonia and made one more susceptable to diseases we immunize against today. Antibiotics have made a big difference in our attitudes! I think people then were a lot more aware of the frailty of human life. Any other homesteaders' descendants out there who are watching this program? Sara

Have you checked Rootsweb to see if there's a mailing list for Shingfield? Or, if not, start one yourself? Mary Kyritsis Jennie Shingfield wrote: > I'm attempting to locate all people with the Shingfield surname that are > currently living. > > there appears to only > be 2 people in the US called Shingfield! I find this hard to believe and was > wondering if anyone had any suggestion on finding more detailed searches.

Have you checked Rootsweb to see if there's a mailing list for Shingfield? Or, if not, start one yourself? Mary Kyritsis Jennie Shingfield wrote: > I'm attempting to locate all people with the Shingfield surname that are > currently living. > Looking at USA and Australian 'phone book' websites, there appears to only > be 2 people in the US called Shingfield! I find this hard to believe and was > wondering if anyone had any suggestion on finding more detailed searches. > > I've also tried the variations Shinkfield and Shinfield, but to no avail.

Have you checked Rootsweb to see if there's a mailing list for Shingfield? Or, if not, start one yourself? Mary Kyritsis Jennie Shingfield wrote: > I'm attempting to locate all people with the Shingfield surname that are > currently living. > Looking at USA and Australian 'phone book' websites, there appears to only > be 2 people in the US called Shingfield! I find this hard to believe and was > wondering if anyone had any suggestion on finding more detailed searches. > > I've also tried the variations Shinkfield and Shinfield, but to no avail.

genealogy@rocketmail.com (James W. Anderson) writes: > BYUTV, at http://www.byutv.org/ , DISH Network Channel 9403, and > DirecTV Channel 374, will broadcast a tape from the annual Genealogy > Conference tonight at 10PM Mountain in the US. That is -0700 from GMT ^^^^^^^ Which tonight? April 29? April 30? > for International viewers. > > It will feature Jayane Roberts in tonights broadcast. There is a > listings page you can get to from the home page, so you can find out > what else they are planning to broadcast in the near future, including > next month, although that may not be fully up for a few days as far as > May's schedule is concerned.

Thanks for the Info - another possibility to check "lisieux" <lisieux@gaelmail.com> wrote in message news:7734dcd6.0204261916.4146d820@posting.google.com... > "Mick Gurling" <mickg@toto.com> wrote in message news:<3TSw8.84999$XV5.7627306@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... > > I understand an ancestor was probably born in the 1850's or 1860's in a > > british military establishment in Dublin. > > Anyone offer help on where I would search for records of this birth? I > > should have the date to search and the name as recorded on a child's birth > > certificate within a week. > > > > -- > > MickG > > A Mr. James Quinton lived in 14 Meath Street Dublin according to the > Dublin Pictorial Guide and Directory of 1850. >

It's already in effect! Before I knew about this I sent them a check and limited info requestiong a 'copy' of a death certificate. I got the check back with a check sheet. In other words, if you don't know when or exactly where the person died and who their parents were, they can't give you any information. The Cranky Genee <paul@havemann.com.com> wrote: > As part of a new anti-terrorism effort, Governor McGreevey > signed an executive order Wednesday that will make it more > difficult to obtain someone else's birth certificate from local > records offices. > > The order requires that certified birth certificates be issued > only to people who are the subject of the record or their > relatives. The order also requires all New Jersey birth > certificates to be issued on a standardized form. [...] > > The order will also apply to death and marriage certificates. > >You'll note that the exec order applies only to *certified* BMD >records -- the type of record required to obtain a drivers >license or other 'official' documentation. > >This should not hinder genealogists from obtaining non-certified >copies for research purposes. However, as with all things >bureaucratic, it's possible that you'll run into some confusion >and/or resistance at Town Hall. > >It would be a good idea to specify that your request is "for >informational purposes only." >Paul Havemann (paul@havemann.com)

"Jennie Shingfield" <jennie@put+my+surname+here.com> wrote in message news:lf%w8.10588$z%3.2194305@monolith.news.easynet.net... > Hi > > I couldn't find anything in the faqs about this, so apologies if this is a > newbie question. > > I'm attempting to locate all people with the Shingfield surname that are > currently living. I've already used the UK Info CD (trial version) to find > all 64 families in England from telephone and electoral role details. > > Looking at USA and Australian 'phone book' websites, there appears to only > be 2 people in the US called Shingfield! I find this hard to believe and was > wondering if anyone had any suggestion on finding more detailed searches. > > I've also tried the variations Shinkfield and Shinfield, but to no avail. > > Can anyone help! :) Using a search engine can help, if the name is rare (as Shingfield seems to be), and a country is targeted. I have an ancestor surnamed Panduro, who was a Spanish soldier stationed in Denmark almost 200 years ago. He ended up staying there and raising a family. Panduro is an uncommon name even in his native Spain, so I surmised that all Danish Panduros are very likely related to me. Simply typing "Panduro" into Yahoo revealed many Panduros now living in Denmark, and I was able to contact some through email. Sure enough, they are distant cousins! -- Chris

This will be of interest to those who want to obtain New Jersey birth, marriage, and death certificates: http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?level_3_id=7&page=3341241 As part of a new anti-terrorism effort, Governor McGreevey signed an executive order Wednesday that will make it more difficult to obtain someone else's birth certificate from local records offices. The order requires that certified birth certificates be issued only to people who are the subject of the record or their relatives. The order also requires all New Jersey birth certificates to be issued on a standardized form. [...] The order will also apply to death and marriage certificates. You'll note that the exec order applies only to *certified* BMD records -- the type of record required to obtain a drivers license or other 'official' documentation. This should not hinder genealogists from obtaining non-certified copies for research purposes. However, as with all things bureaucratic, it's possible that you'll run into some confusion and/or resistance at Town Hall. In which case, note this URL to the executive order: http://www.state.nj.us/cgi-bin/governor/njnewsline/view_article.pl?id=693 Here's the relevant portion: "Certifications of vital records may also be issued in other circumstances, however, they will be for informational purposes only and cannot be used for identification or for other legal purposes." It would be a good idea to specify that your request is "for informational purposes only." -- Paul Havemann (paul@havemann.com) Havemann Family History: http://www.havemann.com/

BYUTV, at http://www.byutv.org/ , DISH Network Channel 9403, and DirecTV Channel 374, will broadcast a tape from the annual Genealogy Conference tonight at 10PM Mountain in the US. That is -0700 from GMT for International viewers. It will feature Jayane Roberts in tonights broadcast. There is a listings page you can get to from the home page, so you can find out what else they are planning to broadcast in the near future, including next month, although that may not be fully up for a few days as far as May's schedule is concerned.