"Brian Oakley" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > They were married in NC, Granville county 12-23-1859. If anyone has any info > on them please get in touch. Thank you. > Brian I'm no relation. I found them in the 1860 census. Do you have this information or want the census image? There is a Kate Oakley in the 1870 census with two children. Was Katherine a widow by then? Mike

I found Frank and Francis Baptista on Family-Finder to be on WFT Vol. 92, Tree-Nr. 684. Could someone do a look-up for me? Juergen Stintzing Munich, Germany [email protected]

They were married in NC, Granville county 12-23-1859. If anyone has any info on them please get in touch. Thank you. Brian

This is silly If you want a moderated group, go to www.genealogy.com. They are there in vast quantity on numerous subjects, and many are exceedingly active indeed. Doug McDonald

Have you tried searching the Social Security Death Index, Death Certificates, Census, marriage certificates, Military records, newspaper obituaries, voter and selective service registrations. Much of this information may not be found on the internet, but you can visit a Family History Library, or one of the National Archive centers. Most people do not get most of their genealogy info from the internet. It involves visits to places and writing requests for copies of documents. You are looking for an easy answer; there isn't any. Genealogy involves a lot of investigation over a long period of time from many sources. -- Herb Boulder, CO "WebWerx, Inc." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > I have been trying to do a family tree and not been getting very far > on > the internet due to the fact that most of the places I try to go to > you > have to pay for and the places that are free dont have very much good > information relative to what I am looking for. I am unable at the > moment > to go to the east coast to go to the places I need to to find out the > information first hand so if there is anyone out there that can help > me > get the information needed I would deeply appreciate it. If so please > email them to: > [email protected] > Thanks. > > This is all I know about my family history so far: > > My mother's grandfather, George William Spreng, Sr. was born > in Philadelphia, PA to Joseph & Beatrice Pitts Spreng on 12/27/23. > He had a borther by the name of Joseph Spreng, Jr. and has three > sisters: Fern Wurst of Moorsetown, New Jersey; Joan Alloway of > Willingboro, New Jersey; & Beatrice Heath of Virginia Beach, > Virginia. He was married to Barbara Clements. They both lived, > until their death in Ellseworth, Maine. George died on 1/22/01. > Besides myself George also has four known grandchildren: Richard > Spreng who is married to Hidi last known to be in Bangor, Maine; > Robert Spreng who is married to Bridgette Chililia and last known > to live in North Andover, Massachussetts; William Spreng Who was > last known to be in the Air Force and in 2001 stationed at McGuire > Air Force Base, New Jersey; & Cassidy Gustafson last known to be > living in New Orleans, Louisianna. > George's brother, Joseph,Jr. died in Philadelphia, > Penn. on 12/02/03. He was married to Katharine Lynch who still > lives in Philly. They had two sons: Joseph M. Spreng III; and > Keven Spreng of Allentown, Penn; and two daughters: Dianne Saye; > & Katherine Kindall. > Barbara Clements Spreng was born on 8/5/21 and died in > Ellsworth, Maine on 12/12/96. She had one sister, Phillis > Clements Harrington who was born on 10/19/03 married Henry > Harrington and died in Bangor, Maine on 9/8/99. > >

"AL" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Any time you see a Web site offering something for sale and not accepting > credit cards, ask yourself, "Why does this merchant not accept credit cards? > Not even via PayPal?" Most of the time, it is because that merchant has > severe financial problems. Then ask yourself if you really want to do > business with such a merchant. > You are quite right, but I think it's even simpler - ask yourself whether you want to do business with a spammer. There people are swamping the web, and trying to force us to pay their advertising costs. They reckon that if they get 1 hit per million mails, it's worth doing, so using them only encourages others. Lesley Robertson

Thought this might be of some interest to the group.... One of the top genealogy news stories in 2003 was the arrest of Elias Abodeely, a 23-year-old in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, who ran a string of pseudo genealogy sites. His arrest didn't seem to deter him: 2004 has started off with a rash of the same advertising. For those who missed it, let's briefly recap this scam. The sites involved included GenSeeker.com, GenSeekers.com, genealogydevelopments.com, genlocator.com, familydiscovery.com, genealogyfinders.net, genealogy-express.com, and probably many others. Abodeely would send out spam mail from one site, then collect money until the complaints mounted, and his site eventually would be shut down by the hosting service. A week or two later he would appear with a new name and a new site on a different hosting service conducting essentially the same business. To access his sites, the hapless buyer paid $40 to $60 (the exact amount varied from time to time). None of these sites contained any genealogy information; they simply had pointers to free sites where information could be found. In other words, the buyer paid $40 to $60 to access something that was already available free of charge. Abodeely eventually ran into lots of legal difficulties. On August 1, 2003, he was arrested in Cedar Rapids, Iowa on felony charges of first-degree theft, money laundering, and ongoing criminal activity. He was released later that day, and a court appearance on those charges still has not yet been scheduled. His arrest did not slow Abodeely very much. A month later he appeared selling worthless "self-renewing" genealogy CD-ROM disks under the name GenealogyTechs.com. That site actually was registered to Andrew Abodeely. GenealogyTechs.com was shut down in Septermber. Things had been quiet for the past three months, but on January 2, 2004, a number of newsletter readers reported receiving some fishy-looking spam mail messages. In fact, the messages appear to be word-for-word the same as the old ads for "self-renewing" genealogy CD-ROM disks sent earlier from GenealogyTechs.com - except that the new ads are coming from GenealogyTechs.net. A quick check of the WHOIS information shows that Genealogytechs.net is registered to the same address as GenealogyTechs.com: 1013 Agate Street, Suite B, San Diego, CA 92109, the business address of Andrew Abodeely. That is also the same address that ships the worthless "self-renewing" genealogy CD-ROM disks. In short, the Abodeelys seem to have reappeared after a three-month hiatus. Elias Abodeely's earlier arrest for felonies doesn't seem to have fazed either of the Abodeelys at all. At the time these words are being written, http://www.genealogytechs.net is up and running and looks almost identical to the previously shut down http://www.genealogytechs.com. It is also interesting to note that the new site is like the old one in several respects, especially in that it cannot handle credit cards. Instead, the buyer is suckered into paying by an "e-check" that extracts money directly from the buyer's checking account with no credit card involved. Beware! This is one method by which the earlier sites allegedly extracted money time and again from a buyer's checking accounts! Several buyers thought they paid once but, after examining their end-of-month checking account statements, found that they had been charged time and again without permission. That is one of the actions that led to Elias Abodeely's arrest. Why would a company not offer payment by credit card? That is extremely rare in the online world. The answer is simple: the owner's credit rating is so poor that he cannot obtain the merchant account required to be able to accept credit cards. In this case, he cannot even obtain a PayPal account, which is easy for most people to obtain. No credit card service will give a merchant account to someone awaiting trial on charges of money laundering by using credit cards! Without access to a credit card merchant account, the Web site owner is forced to resort to online checks, a risky method for any buyer considering an online purchase. Remember that purchases made online with VISA, MasterCard or American Express are fully insured against fraud by the credit card companies. If you get "ripped off" by a shady merchant when using a credit card, the credit card companies will immediately refund all of your money and then will pursue resolution with the merchant. PayPal transactions are also fully insured in the same manner. However, if you pay by check, you have no such protection. That is true both for paper checks as well as for "e-checks." You receive only whatever insurance your local bank provides. Sadly, most banks provide no protection at all against fraudulent purchases made with a check or with a debit card. Send a check to a con artist? You lose. Any time you see a Web site offering something for sale and not accepting credit cards, ask yourself, "Why does this merchant not accept credit cards? Not even via PayPal?" Most of the time, it is because that merchant has severe financial problems. Then ask yourself if you really want to do business with such a merchant. If you receive a spam mail from GenealogyTechs.net or any similar-sounding scam, please forward it to the Cedar Rapids, Iowa Police Department's Financial Crimes Division at [email protected] I suspect they have an interest in the "business activities" of this person, who is awaiting a court appearance after being arrested by that department. Please feel free to also enclose a copy of this article. You can read more about the Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Police Department's Financial Crimes Division at http://www.cedar-rapids.org/police/financial_crimes.asp. More info at http://www.eogn.com/archives/news0331.htm#GenealogyScamOperatorArrested Please feel free to also forward this article to other genealogists, newsgroups, mailing lists, and anywhere else you feel is appropriate.

Published on: Wed Jan 7 23:55:00 EST 2004 Posted by: Shirley Rossmeisl --------- Looking for family or information from the Graslitz or Falkneau area. Emigrated to USA 1889. --------- For contact, please, visit this Bulletin Board posting published in category Find An Ancestor at http://www.muselik.com/bb/vw.cgi?recid=65D5RLXQOU CZECH INFO CENTER http://www.muselik.com/ Internet Premier Czech Information Resource

I don't mean to be critical but... I find it's usually best to post specific questions rather than general ones. For example it's better to concentrate on one person and ask... "Please help me find out who xyz's father was. I already know abcd...." than it is to say... "I'm stuck, here is my very complex family tree" "WebWerx, Inc." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > I have been trying to do a family tree and not been getting very far > on > the internet due to the fact that most of the places I try to go to > you > have to pay for and the places that are free dont have very much good > information relative to what I am looking for. I am unable at the > moment > to go to the east coast to go to the places I need to to find out the > information first hand so if there is anyone out there that can help > me > get the information needed I would deeply appreciate it. If so please > email them to: > [email protected] > Thanks. > > This is all I know about my family history so far: > > My mother's grandfather, George William Spreng, Sr. was born > in Philadelphia, PA to Joseph & Beatrice Pitts Spreng on 12/27/23. > He had a borther by the name of Joseph Spreng, Jr. and has three > sisters: Fern Wurst of Moorsetown, New Jersey; Joan Alloway of > Willingboro, New Jersey; & Beatrice Heath of Virginia Beach, > Virginia. He was married to Barbara Clements. They both lived, > until their death in Ellseworth, Maine. George died on 1/22/01. > Besides myself George also has four known grandchildren: Richard > Spreng who is married to Hidi last known to be in Bangor, Maine; > Robert Spreng who is married to Bridgette Chililia and last known > to live in North Andover, Massachussetts; William Spreng Who was > last known to be in the Air Force and in 2001 stationed at McGuire > Air Force Base, New Jersey; & Cassidy Gustafson last known to be > living in New Orleans, Louisianna. > George's brother, Joseph,Jr. died in Philadelphia, > Penn. on 12/02/03. He was married to Katharine Lynch who still > lives in Philly. They had two sons: Joseph M. Spreng III; and > Keven Spreng of Allentown, Penn; and two daughters: Dianne Saye; > & Katherine Kindall. > Barbara Clements Spreng was born on 8/5/21 and died in > Ellsworth, Maine on 12/12/96. She had one sister, Phillis > Clements Harrington who was born on 10/19/03 married Henry > Harrington and died in Bangor, Maine on 9/8/99. > >

I have been trying to do a family tree and not been getting very far on the internet due to the fact that most of the places I try to go to you have to pay for and the places that are free dont have very much good information relative to what I am looking for. I am unable at the moment to go to the east coast to go to the places I need to to find out the information first hand so if there is anyone out there that can help me get the information needed I would deeply appreciate it. If so please email them to: [email protected] Thanks. This is all I know about my family history so far: My mother's grandfather, George William Spreng, Sr. was born in Philadelphia, PA to Joseph & Beatrice Pitts Spreng on 12/27/23. He had a borther by the name of Joseph Spreng, Jr. and has three sisters: Fern Wurst of Moorsetown, New Jersey; Joan Alloway of Willingboro, New Jersey; & Beatrice Heath of Virginia Beach, Virginia. He was married to Barbara Clements. They both lived, until their death in Ellseworth, Maine. George died on 1/22/01. Besides myself George also has four known grandchildren: Richard Spreng who is married to Hidi last known to be in Bangor, Maine; Robert Spreng who is married to Bridgette Chililia and last known to live in North Andover, Massachussetts; William Spreng Who was last known to be in the Air Force and in 2001 stationed at McGuire Air Force Base, New Jersey; & Cassidy Gustafson last known to be living in New Orleans, Louisianna. George's brother, Joseph,Jr. died in Philadelphia, Penn. on 12/02/03. He was married to Katharine Lynch who still lives in Philly. They had two sons: Joseph M. Spreng III; and Keven Spreng of Allentown, Penn; and two daughters: Dianne Saye; & Katherine Kindall. Barbara Clements Spreng was born on 8/5/21 and died in Ellsworth, Maine on 12/12/96. She had one sister, Phillis Clements Harrington who was born on 10/19/03 married Henry Harrington and died in Bangor, Maine on 9/8/99.

Published on: Tue Jan 6 23:55:00 EST 2004 Posted by: Wayne Anderson --------- Looking for information on Wencel (Vaclau) Kvapil , born 1700 in Zales, Bohemia. Thank you in advance. --------- For contact, please, visit this Bulletin Board posting published in category Find An Ancestor at http://www.muselik.com/bb/vw.cgi?recid=49FKVBJ8CY CZECH INFO CENTER http://www.muselik.com/ Internet Premier Czech Information Resource

Doc Miller wrote: > > On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:23:33 GMT, [email protected] (Ghost) appears to > have written: > > > > >Except for one thing.. moderated groups generally do not have as much > >interaction. > > > >Many people avoid moderated groups because of the internal politics and > >they don't always like to subjugate themselves to someone else's > >personalities or whims. > > Not entirely true. Moderators have to abide by the bylaws created > during the RFC process. Ummm, any chance you mean CFD or CFV not RFC? Cheryl

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:23:33 GMT, [email protected] (Ghost) appears to have written: > >Except for one thing.. moderated groups generally do not have as much >interaction. > >Many people avoid moderated groups because of the internal politics and >they don't always like to subjugate themselves to someone else's >personalities or whims. Not entirely true. Moderators have to abide by the bylaws created during the RFC process. I have moderated a music newsgroup for the past 5 years and it has gone well and the noise posts (e.g "Hansen is god" flamewars, etc) is almost nonexistant. Having said that, moderation is not for every group. I find kill files and judicious filtering to help a great deal. -Doc

Published on: Mon Jan 5 23:55:00 EST 2004 Posted by: Judy Broleman --------- The family names - Hrebec, Bokor, Trcka, Hrach all immigrated to the US between 1850 and 1880 from Bohemia. If any of these family names are familiar to you I would appreciate hearing from you to share more information. --------- For contact, please, visit this Bulletin Board posting published in category Find An Ancestor at http://www.muselik.com/bb/vw.cgi?recid=27YLX5XRV5 CZECH INFO CENTER http://www.muselik.com/ Internet Premier Czech Information Resource

"Doc Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:23:33 GMT, [email protected] (Ghost) appears to > have written: > > > > >Except for one thing.. moderated groups generally do not have as much > >interaction. > > > >Many people avoid moderated groups because of the internal politics and > >they don't always like to subjugate themselves to someone else's > >personalities or whims. > > Not entirely true. Moderators have to abide by the bylaws created > during the RFC process. Sure they do.

"Doc Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:23:33 GMT, [email protected] (Ghost) appears to > have written: > > > > >Except for one thing.. moderated groups generally do not have as much > >interaction. > > > >Many people avoid moderated groups because of the internal politics and > >they don't always like to subjugate themselves to someone else's > >personalities or whims. > > Not entirely true. Moderators have to abide by the bylaws created > during the RFC process. I have moderated a music newsgroup for the > past 5 years and it has gone well and the noise posts (e.g "Hansen is > god" flamewars, etc) is almost nonexistant. > > Having said that, moderation is not for every group. I find kill > files and judicious filtering to help a great deal. > > -Doc Hi Doc, Plear quote the RFCs you are referring to. The only RFC I am aware of currently controlling the NNTP pprotocol is RFC977 which is a technical document for developers of hardware and software and of course for the guidancs of NNTP server admins. It has nothing to do with moderation of newsgroups. -- Mick G CT-USA Researching: Gorbals: Bryan, McDonald Hereford: James, South, Yarranton. St Giles in the Fields: Barnett, Bryan, Gurling, Holland, Ing, Yarranton. Southwark: Quinton, Richards. Stafford/Salop Belliston, Boycott, Cleary, Yorke

"Lesley Robertson" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > > "Genjunkie" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] > > > > Cheryl seems to think the moderated group is "safer." > > > > I wonder about this. How "unsafe" can simple free verbal exchange > > really be? > > You obviously weren't around when the african group was subjected to a > sustained racist attack. I wasn't, but I am not surprised. With the precious freedom of speech we sometimes enjoy comes positive and negative things. Self control--and, if you don't have enough of that--a kill file are all you need to make any newsgroup "safe." Nobody has to read anything they do not want to read. > As many people have told you already, the main reason for moderation - > freely agreed to by the participants when the groups were formed, was to > make auto-indexing easier. > Lesley Robertson > Auto-indexing. Right.

"Genjunkie" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > > Cheryl seems to think the moderated group is "safer." > > I wonder about this. How "unsafe" can simple free verbal exchange > really be? You obviously weren't around when the african group was subjected to a sustained racist attack. As many people have told you already, the main reason for moderation - freely agreed to by the participants when the groups were formed, was to make auto-indexing easier. Lesley Robertson

"Doc Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > It is possible to post an RFC and begin a movement to change a > newsgroup from unmoderated to moderated. It is a long process with > required steps and time limits but anyone can start the ball in > motion. > > That might make more sense than yet another newsgroup... > That's not the problem. Thanks to a glitch in the auto-moderation software, all of the Rootsweb moderated groups have been down for several years (they're apparently working on it....). One, soc.genealogy.methods, has recently been revived. eviving others will take a considerable amount of effort on somebody's part (or the new Rootsweb owners sorting things aout).. Lesley Robertson

The effectiveness of moderation subsumes one or more persons willing to put lots of time into it. Another health-type group I used to read started out moderated and thing went swimmingly for a while. Then the moderator disappeared. Eventually the group fizzled. That's the risk. In article <[email protected]>, Genjunkie <[email protected]> wrote: > "Ghost" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] > > > > Except for one thing.. moderated groups generally do not have as > much > > interaction. > > > > Many people avoid moderated groups because of the internal politics > and > > they don't always like to subjugate themselves to someone else's > > personalities or whims. > > > > > > Cheryl seems to think the moderated group is "safer." > > I wonder about this. How "unsafe" can simple free verbal exchange > really be? > > The real world must be terribly frightening to some if Usenet is so > scary. > > Meanwhile, alt.genealogy.methods has little traffic, so I guess there > isn't > much interest in an unmoderated methods group at the moment. At least > it is there, in case anyone wants to get some discussions going.