It's good to know the lunatic fringe is alive and kicking. It makes the rest of us feel less crazy! -- Mick G CT-USA Researching: Gorbals: Bryan, McDonald Hereford: James, South, Yarranton. St Giles in the Fields: Barnett, Bryan, Gurling, Holland, Ing, Yarranton. Southwark: Quinton, Richards. Stafford/Salop Belliston, Boycott, Cleary, Yorke

< Rev.Moon recently married Muhammed< ...and i wasn't invited!!! Hell, me and Muhammed go waaaay back! Thanks Gordon, for the information. namaste; bodhi

http://www.geogene.com Trace family tree back to Adam and Eve. Type in the google search box,Rev.Moon recently married Muhammed,Adam and Eve are on Rev.moons family tree,who he probably blessed in marriage and he claims to have married Jesus,Hitler,Stalin and others. http://familyfed.org Rev.moon claims to be the second coming of the MESSIAH and that he and his wife are the perfected Adam and Eve,Rev.moon has been accepted as the MESSIAH by thousands of religious leaders and some politicians and the religious right and George W. Bush Faith-Based-Initiative are joining with Rev.moon to govern the USA from 2004 with an AUTOMATIC THEOCRACY,and that will be joined with a One World government in 2012,go to yahoo and type in automatic theocracy for details on the plans,or go to http://www.rickross.com Gordon Muir.

Published on: Wed Jan 14 23:55:00 EST 2004 Posted by: Michelle Moore --------- Canadian looking for Bohemia area Vrba or Smesny surnames. --------- For contact, please, visit this Bulletin Board posting published in category Find An Ancestor at http://www.muselik.com/bb/vw.cgi?recid=95DVVJ35SC CZECH INFO CENTER http://www.muselik.com/ Internet Premier Czech Information Resource

I sent them earlier. Our emails probably crossed. Used the Subject Simeon and Parthena Oakley with attachments. Mike "Brian Oakley" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Ok, let me know when you send them so I will know what to look for. Thanks > again! > B. > > "MikeS" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] > > Brian - I will send you both census images. Mike > > > > "Brian Oakley" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:[email protected] > > > I would definately like to have the Census image. I dont know if she was > a > > > widow by then. Im still trying to put the pieces together. Any help is > > > appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > > Brian > > > > > > "MikeS" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > > news:[email protected] > > > > > > > > "Brian Oakley" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email protected] > > > > > They were married in NC, Granville county 12-23-1859. If anyone has > > any > > > > info > > > > > on them please get in touch. Thank you. > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > I'm no relation. I found them in the 1860 census. Do you have this > > > > information or want the census image? There is a Kate Oakley in the > > 1870 > > > > census with two children. Was Katherine a widow by then? > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Brian - I will send you both census images. Mike "Brian Oakley" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > I would definately like to have the Census image. I dont know if she was a > widow by then. Im still trying to put the pieces together. Any help is > appreciated. Thanks in advance. > Brian > > "MikeS" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] > > > > "Brian Oakley" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:[email protected] > > > They were married in NC, Granville county 12-23-1859. If anyone has any > > info > > > on them please get in touch. Thank you. > > > Brian > > > > I'm no relation. I found them in the 1860 census. Do you have this > > information or want the census image? There is a Kate Oakley in the 1870 > > census with two children. Was Katherine a widow by then? > > > > Mike > > > > > >

Ok, let me know when you send them so I will know what to look for. Thanks again! B. "MikeS" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Brian - I will send you both census images. Mike > > "Brian Oakley" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] > > I would definately like to have the Census image. I dont know if she was a > > widow by then. Im still trying to put the pieces together. Any help is > > appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > Brian > > > > "MikeS" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:[email protected] > > > > > > "Brian Oakley" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > > news:[email protected] > > > > They were married in NC, Granville county 12-23-1859. If anyone has > any > > > info > > > > on them please get in touch. Thank you. > > > > Brian > > > > > > I'm no relation. I found them in the 1860 census. Do you have this > > > information or want the census image? There is a Kate Oakley in the > 1870 > > > census with two children. Was Katherine a widow by then? > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > >

I would definately like to have the Census image. I dont know if she was a widow by then. Im still trying to put the pieces together. Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Brian "MikeS" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > > "Brian Oakley" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] > > They were married in NC, Granville county 12-23-1859. If anyone has any > info > > on them please get in touch. Thank you. > > Brian > > I'm no relation. I found them in the 1860 census. Do you have this > information or want the census image? There is a Kate Oakley in the 1870 > census with two children. Was Katherine a widow by then? > > Mike > >

On 13 Jan 2004 in soc.genealogy.misc, Mark Mattox wrote: > [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message > news:<[email protected]>... >> Joe Makowiec <[email protected]> wrote in message >> news:<[email protected]>... >> > On 19 Dec 2003 in soc.genealogy.misc, Ian Lenzen wrote: >> > >> > > was just at a family reunion, meeting some new cousins...or >> > > what were they really? >> > > I was talking with someone whose grandfather is my father's 1st >> > > cousin. We were trying to figure out name for our relationship. >> > > any ideas? [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message >> > > news:<[email protected]>... Joe >> > > Makowiec <[email protected]> wrote in message >> > > news:<[email protected]>... >> > On 19 Dec 2003 in soc.genealogy.misc, Ian Lenzen wrote: >> > >> > The easiest way may be to draw a picture: >> > >> > Gen 1: Common Ancestor(s) >> > Gen 2: Sibling 1 Sibling 2 >> > Gen 3: His Grandfather Your Father >> > Gen 4: His Parent You >> > Gen 5: Him >> > >> > (Since you don't specify gender, his/him in this context >> > represents either gender.) >> > >> > Those in Generation 3 (2 generations removed from the common >> > ancestor) are first cousins; in Generation 4 are second cousins; >> > in Generation 5 are third cousins... Anybody who is not an even >> > number of generations away from the common ancestor is said to be >> > "x times removed" where x is the number of 'odd' generations. >> > >> > In this case, you're second cousins once removed. >> >> Thanks very much Joe. (He is indeed, mail). Drawing it out helps a >> lot. I've always heard this 'x removed' stuff but rarely it made >> sense so this totally clears it. Ian > > [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message > regarding message to [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message >> > On 19 Dec 2003 in soc.genealogy.misc, Ian Lenzen wrote: >> > >> > > was just at a family reunion, meeting some new cousins...or >> > > what were they really? >> > > I was talking with someone whose grandfather is my father's 1st >> > > cousin. We were trying to figure out name for our relationship. >> > > any ideas? [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) > > Joe, > I thought that terms "once removed" simply means that there is a > difference of one generation, "twice removed" for 2 generations and > so on...so now I'm confused by what you meant by 'odd' vs. 'even' > generations When I say "even" I mean that there are the same number of generations between you, the cousin in question, and your common ancestor(s). So you and your second cousin have the same great-grandparent(s). The "odd" generations are the ones which separate the person in question from his/her ancestor in the same generation as you. So in the case of your second cousin's grandchild, the common ancestor is *your* great- grandparent, but the grandchild's great-great-great grandparent. So you and your second cousin's grandchild are second cousins twice removed. See the chart above, and add Gen 6: His Child > ....and for upcoming reunion..is there any nicer way of > saying it, besides 'removed'?. "Removeed" sounds so harsh. I've never heard of any other way, and don't personally see anything wrong with it. Your Mileage May Vary. By the time you get to about third or fourth cousins, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference, anyway. ;-{)> -- Joe Makowiec can be reached at: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe

[email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>... > Joe Makowiec <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>... > > On 19 Dec 2003 in soc.genealogy.misc, Ian Lenzen wrote: > > > > > was just at a family reunion, meeting some new cousins...or what were > > > they really? > > > I was talking with someone whose grandfather is my father's 1st > > > cousin. We were trying to figure out name for our relationship. any > > > ideas? [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>... > Joe Makowiec <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>... > > On 19 Dec 2003 in soc.genealogy.misc, Ian Lenzen wrote: > > > > The easiest way may be to draw a picture: > > > > Gen 1: Common Ancestor(s) > > Gen 2: Sibling 1 Sibling 2 > > Gen 3: His Grandfather Your Father > > Gen 4: His Parent You > > Gen 5: Him > > > > (Since you don't specify gender, his/him in this context represents > > either gender.) > > > > Those in Generation 3 (2 generations removed from the common ancestor) > > are first cousins; in Generation 4 are second cousins; in Generation 5 > > are third cousins... Anybody who is not an even number of generations > > away from the common ancestor is said to be "x times removed" where x > > is the number of 'odd' generations. > > > > In this case, you're second cousins once removed. > > Thanks very much Joe. (He is indeed, mail). Drawing it out helps a > lot. I've always heard this 'x removed' stuff but rarely it made sense > so this totally clears it. Ian [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message regarding message to [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) wrote in message > > On 19 Dec 2003 in soc.genealogy.misc, Ian Lenzen wrote: > > > > > was just at a family reunion, meeting some new cousins...or what were > > > they really? > > > I was talking with someone whose grandfather is my father's 1st > > > cousin. We were trying to figure out name for our relationship. any > > > ideas? [email protected] (Ian Lenzen) Joe, I thought that terms "once removed" simply means that there is a difference of one generation, "twice removed" for 2 generations and so on...so now I'm confused by what you meant by 'odd' vs. 'even' generations....and for upcoming reunion..is there any nicer way of saying it, besides 'removed'?. "Removeed" sounds so harsh. thanks Mark

Hi, I'm a descendant of the french-canadian branch of the family of Jacques POIRIER, from Lathus (Poitou), who maried Francoise BRUNET around 1680. His son, Josephe POIRIER DIT DESLOGES, had a large descendance who spread on the west island part of Montreal in the 18th century and a few of them went to Ontario and the States. If you have any information on the european ancestry of the Poirier dit Desloges line or other North American branch, I would gladly trade everything I have on my branch. Thanks Michel poirier Bonjour à toutes et à tous, Je suis un descendant de la branche québécoise de la famille de Jacques POIRIER, de Lathus dans le diocèse de Poitiers, qui maria Françoise BRUNET dans les environs de 1680. Son fils, Joseph POIRIER dit DESLOGES, eut une imposante descendance qui se dissémina dans l'ouest de l'île de Montréal puis en Ontario et aux États-Unis. Si vous avez quelques informations sur les générations antérieures française de la famille Poirier, vous obligeriez nombre de généalogistes de la famille qui ne peuvent se rendre en Europe pour effectuer les recherches. Merci. Michel Poirier

Hi, As far as I know, the "Perry" surname comes from the "Poirier" root in Quebec. As for which branch of the family it's from, I can't help since there were about 5 or 6 independent sources (from acadian source and otherwise). If ever you come across "Poirier dit Desloges" in your ancestry, I could be of help. They lived mostly in the West island of Montreal and some migrated in Ontario and further more in the States. Michel Poirier "Darleen Walsh" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > I am looking for any information on these surnames from Clinton County and > Franklin County in New York. I am also looking for the French Canadian > connection. Can anyone help? > > -- > From our home to yours, Darleen & Randy > >

The family name Blaha is not seen to often in Poland. Many more people are called Blacha, this spelling denoting a much harder "H" sound. A travel book in the library mentions a Blacha Palace in Warsaw. The Blacha name has an "herb" or coat of arms as found on this site http://republika.pl/akromer/chrzonski05.html "Czech Info Center" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Published on: Sun Jan 11 23:55:01 EST 2004 > > Posted by: Joyce Horn > --------- > Trying to find lost relatives of Grandmather Hedwig Horak nee Blaha and Wilhelm Horak. > --------- > For contact, please, visit this Bulletin Board > posting published in category Find An Ancestor > at http://www.muselik.com/bb/vw.cgi?recid=91Q3OOJPJR > > CZECH INFO CENTER > http://www.muselik.com/ > Internet Premier Czech Information Resource >

Published on: Sun Jan 11 23:55:01 EST 2004 Posted by: Joyce Horn --------- Trying to find lost relatives of Grandmather Hedwig Horak nee Blaha and Wilhelm Horak. --------- For contact, please, visit this Bulletin Board posting published in category Find An Ancestor at http://www.muselik.com/bb/vw.cgi?recid=91Q3OOJPJR CZECH INFO CENTER http://www.muselik.com/ Internet Premier Czech Information Resource

Published on: Sat Jan 10 23:55:01 EST 2004 Posted by: Carmen Ganter --------- I am looking for info on Josef Mikes and Josefa Petrlik. Both were born in Czech. --------- For contact, please, visit this Bulletin Board posting published in category Find An Ancestor at http://www.muselik.com/bb/vw.cgi?recid=79J01EYL02 CZECH INFO CENTER http://www.muselik.com/ Internet Premier Czech Information Resource

Published on: Sat Jan 10 23:55:01 EST 2004 Posted by: Judy Kuckleburg --------- I am looking for my ancestors who were from Pococov near Trebic. And my grandmother who was from Pozdathy, Moravia. Appreciate any info. --------- For contact, please, visit this Bulletin Board posting published in category Find An Ancestor at http://www.muselik.com/bb/vw.cgi?recid=2XCQCEPSGG CZECH INFO CENTER http://www.muselik.com/ Internet Premier Czech Information Resource

Published on: Sat Jan 10 23:55:01 EST 2004 Posted by: Bill Houdek --------- Looking for data on Wenzel Houdek who came to USA about 1865 with wife Mary. --------- For contact, please, visit this Bulletin Board posting published in category Find An Ancestor at http://www.muselik.com/bb/vw.cgi?recid=355NOVSKQF CZECH INFO CENTER http://www.muselik.com/ Internet Premier Czech Information Resource

Published on: Sat Jan 10 23:55:01 EST 2004 Posted by: Cathy VanWyk --------- Information on surname Hirschberg and Volkmer from Batzdorf, Czech Republic. Came to America in 1904 or 1905. --------- For contact, please, visit this Bulletin Board posting published in category Find An Ancestor at http://www.muselik.com/bb/vw.cgi?recid=32SHFILDYM CZECH INFO CENTER http://www.muselik.com/ Internet Premier Czech Information Resource

"WebWerx, Inc." <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > I have been trying to do a family tree and not been getting very far What have you done? Have you read up on HOW to conduct valid genealogical research? It requires work and knowledge. The first thing to do is start reading. There are sections at your local book store devoted to it, and a simple Google search on your computer will yield much valuable information.

"WebWerx, Inc." <[email protected]> wrote: >I have been trying to do a family tree and not been getting very far >on >the internet due to the fact that most of the places I try to go to >you >have to pay for and the places that are free dont have very much good >information relative to what I am looking for. I am unable at the >moment >to go to the east coast to go to the places I need to to find out the >information first hand so if there is anyone out there that can help >me >get the information needed I would deeply appreciate it. If so please >email them to: Go to www.familysearch.org and click on the search tab. On the search tab click on the "use exact spelling" checkbox and enter the various names you are searching for. I found a couple of entries in the Social Security Death Index that might be relevant: 1. Barbara Spreng born 6 Aug 1921 died 12 Dec 1996 in Maine. 2. Joseph Spreng born 2 Feb 1888 died May 1981 in Pennsylvania And here is a link to a posting on an Ancestry.com message board (free) that seems to be talking about at least some of your Spreng family. Perhaps if you contact the author by email you might be able to pool your resources and complete at least some of the information. http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/message/an/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.unknown/4403 Genealogy research is very much about gathering tiny bits of information from a variety of sources and then seeing how it all fits together to form a complete picture. And sometimes the completed picture is somewhat different from what you initially expected to find. In my own case I discovered a couple of years ago that my great-great-grandmother had been married twice and that there was at least one child from the first marriage. This was totally unknown to any members of my branch of the family. Good luck Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada -- Microsoft MVP On-Line Help Computer Service http://onlinehelp.bc.ca "The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."