Hi again, A quick look at the archives of the YOUNG List finds a posting from almost 10 years ago. It offers the paragraph from Pope's "Pioneers of MA," showing a possible 4 YOUNG patriarchs. And I just saw that John YOUNG married Abigail HOWLAND from "the Mayflower." But, I'm still not seeing when and where John arrived. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/young/1999-07/0932145291 Betty (near Lowell, MA) (From my other postings, I believe Mrs. Clara Allen (DEXTER) YOUNG was the birth-mother of my grandmother, without the benefit of her husband. And, I think Abner YOUNG was descended from John YOUNG.) ("Somehow" the name, Daisy WATROUS, is involved in Clara's complicated lies.)