I have to ask, what is the story on all the question marks in emails from Betty? Fred .. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011 8:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: GENMASSACHUSETTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 303 Today's Topics: 1. ZIMMERMAN / SINCLAIR (Ms Betty Fredericks) 2. SINCLAIR / ZIMMERMAN couple (Ms Betty Fredericks) 3. Re: SINCLAIR / ZIMMERMAN couple ([email protected]) 4. HOLMES Family ([email protected]) 5. Re: HOLMES Family ([email protected]) 6. Re: HOLMES Family ([email protected]) 7. Re: HOLMES Family ([email protected]) 8. Re: HOLMES Family ([email protected]) 9. Re: HOLMES Family (Abigail Lumsden) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 03:02:20 -0800 (PST) From: Ms Betty Fredericks <[email protected]> Subject: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] ZIMMERMAN / SINCLAIR To: MA List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Barbara, ? I use HeritageQuest from my local library,? and I just checked and there were about 100? ZIMMERMAN people in MA in the 1920 census.?? And, about 75 people in MA in 1910.? *???? In both years there were a half-dozen or so people with the name in Worcester County.??? Most were in Suffolk County those years.???? I found one family which is a small possibility,? but in 1910 "Lizzie"? (?)? is 28. ? ZIMMERMAN, CHRISTOF ? (1910 U.S. Census) MASSACHUSETTS ,?WORCESTER,?CLINTON Age: 59, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: GERM Series: T624 Roll: 627 Page: 138 ? There were a little over 175 people with the SINCLAIR name in MA in 1920.??? But, I don't see any Elizabeth or Lizzie who is a wife or mother. ? I don't know why this lady doesn't show up in the Index for the 1920 census,?? but she does show up at?? www.familysearch.org ? Name: Elizabeth A Sinclair Residence: Haverhill City, Essex, Massachusetts Estimated Birth Year: 1881 Age: 39 Birthplace: Massachusetts Relationship to Head of Household: Wife Gender: Female Race: White Marital Status: Married Father's Birthplace: Mother's Birthplace: Film Number: 1820691 Digital Folder Number: 4301087 Image Number: 00504 Sheet Number: 9 ? Household Gender Age Spouse Percy L Sinclair M 43y ? Elizabeth A Sinclair F 39y Child Wendell B Sinclair M 11y Child Irene M Sinclair F 5y ? Here is another Elizabeth: ? Name: Elizabeth Sinclair Residence: Walden City Ward 4, Middlesex, Massachusetts Estimated Birth Year: 1884 Age: 36 Birthplace: Massachusetts Relationship to Head of Household: Granddaughter Gender: Female Race: White Marital Status: Married Father's Birthplace: Mother's Birthplace: Film Number: 1820713 Digital Folder Number: 4301110 Image Number: 00649 Sheet Number: 9 ? Household Gender Age Clarence Stickney M 70y Elvira Stickney F 61y Melvin Stickney M 20y Harry J Sinclair M 37y ? Elizabeth Sinclair F 36y Elizabeth Sinclair F 8y Elvira Sinclair F 7y Ruth Sinclair F 5y ? Betty??????? (near Lowell, MA) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 03:19:45 -0800 (PST) From: Ms Betty Fredericks <[email protected]> Subject: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] SINCLAIR / ZIMMERMAN couple To: MA List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi again, ? I'm still looking at www.familysearch.org?? and thinking about the 3 sons.????? I do find a? Bertrand SINCLAIR in Gardner, MA,? who is something to think about. ? Name: Bertrand N Sinclair Titles & Terms: Residence: Gardner town (south part), Worcester, Massachusetts Birth Date: Sep 1877 Birthplace: Massachusetts Relationship to Head of Household: Spouse: Spouse's Titles & Terms: Spouse's Birthplace: Father: Father's Titles & Terms: Father's Birthplace: Massachusetts Mother: Mother's Titles & Terms: Mother's Birthplace: Massachusetts Race or Color (expanded): White Head-of-household Name: George Hubbard Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Years Married: Estimated Marriage Year: Mother How Many Children: Number Living Children: Immigration Year: Enumeration District: 1631 Page: 10 Sheet Letter: B Family Number: 227 Reference Number: 76 Film Number: 1240692 Image Number: 00347 ? Household Gender Age George Hubbard M Phild A Hubbard F George E Hubbard M Grace E Hubbard F ? Bertrand N Sinclair M Lydia Hubbard F ? That is the 1900 census,? and the 1880 census has him listed as a 2 yr-old in the Merwin SINCLAIR family in Westminster, MA.???? That Bertrand died in MA in 1910.????? Oh, he married in Providence, RI, in 1909. ? With a couple only being married for one year,? you always wonder whether a child resulted from the short marriage. ? Betty????????????? (near Lowell, MA) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:18:10 +0000 (UTC) From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] SINCLAIR / ZIMMERMAN couple To: Ms Betty Fredericks <[email protected]> Cc: MA List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]r.pa.mail.c omcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Betty, thanks for the information, but I don't think any of them fit my criteria, as Paul was born in 1929, and Bertrand would have been his older brother, but not that much older! haha,? I will see if I can get any more information from my stepdaughter.? The family was kind of 'fractured' and this might be very difficult.? Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ms Betty Fredericks" <[email protected]> To: "MA List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:19:45 AM Subject: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] SINCLAIR / ZIMMERMAN ?couple Hi again, ? I'm still looking at www.familysearch.org?? and thinking about the 3 sons.????? I do find a? Bertrand SINCLAIR in Gardner, MA,? who is something to think about. ? Name: Bertrand N Sinclair ? Titles & Terms: ? Residence: Gardner town (south part), Worcester, Massachusetts ? Birth Date: Sep 1877 ? Birthplace: Massachusetts ? Relationship to Head of Household: ? Spouse: ? Spouse's Titles & Terms: ? Spouse's Birthplace: ? Father: ? Father's Titles & Terms: ? Father's Birthplace: Massachusetts ? Mother: ? Mother's Titles & Terms: ? Mother's Birthplace: Massachusetts ? Race or Color (expanded): White ? Head-of-household Name: George Hubbard ? Gender: Male ? Marital Status: Single ? Years Married: ? Estimated Marriage Year: ? Mother How Many Children: ? Number Living Children: ? Immigration Year: ? Enumeration District: 1631 ? Page: 10 ? Sheet Letter: B ? Family Number: 227 ? Reference Number: 76 ? Film Number: 1240692 ? Image Number: 00347 ? ? Household Gender Age ?George Hubbard ?M ? ?Phild A Hubbard ?F ? ?George E Hubbard ?M ? ?Grace E Hubbard ?F ? ? ?Bertrand N Sinclair ?M ? ?Lydia Hubbard ?F ? ? That is the 1900 census,? and the 1880 census has him listed as a 2 yr-old in the Merwin SINCLAIR family in Westminster, MA.???? That Bertrand died in MA in 1910.????? Oh, he married in Providence, RI, in 1909. ? With a couple only being married for one year,? you always wonder whether a child resulted from the short marriage. ? Betty????????????? (near Lowell, MA) ? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:25:31 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] HOLMES Family To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jplalone Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unkno wn/7387/mb.ashx Message Board Post: lineage is given on about 102 trees (some with sources but no documentation), all which state that the gr-gr-grandfather is William HOLMES m. to Catherine HILYARD. However, the only source that I have found so far is the Yorkshire Visitation that states William HOLMES (the gr-gr-grandfather) was married to Ellen HILYARD and who had no son William (gr-grandfather) to my ancestor William who married Elizabeth and settled in MA. Can anyone provide documentation to this lineage if it really exists, thanks, Jim. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:29:26 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] HOLMES Family To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jplalone Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unkno wn/7387.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry, part of my message was cut off- I am searching for the maiden name of Elizabeth, wife of William HOLMES, b. c. 1591/2 in England, who settled in Plymouth Co., MA. There are a number of trees on WorldConnect giving Elizabeth's maiden name as MADDEN. Can anyone produce documentation for that? Also William's lineage is given on about 102 trees (some with sources but no documentation), all which state that the gr-gr-grandfather is William HOLMES m. to Catherine HILYARD. However, the only source that I have found so far is the Yorkshire Visitation that states William HOLMES (the gr-gr-grandfather) was married to Ellen HILYARD and who had no son William (gr-grandfather) to my ancestor William who married Elizabeth and settled in MA. Can anyone provide documentation to this lineage if it really exists, thanks, Jim. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:34:09 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] HOLMES Family To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Dale_H_Cook Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unkno wn/7387.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This must be the William Holmes who came on the Hercules in 1635 [NEHGR 75:219], settled first at Scituate [PCR 8:182], and removed by 1658 to Marshfield [PCR 8:201]. The maiden name of his wife Elizabeth is not known. Very little is known of her, mainly that she died at Marshfield 17-Feb-1798 at the age of 86 [Marshfield VR 19; MD 5:233]. William's ancestry is not known. Note that Rev. John Holmes. husband of Mary Wood/Atwood, was not a son of William. See the sketch of the family of William Holmes at 3:392-397 in Robert Charles Anderson, "The Great Migration: Immigrants to New England 1634-1635," 7 Volumes (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999-2011). Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:40:38 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] HOLMES Family To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jplalone Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unkno wn/7387.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks very much, was afraid that was the case. Jim. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:31:54 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] HOLMES Family To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Lynde_R Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unkno wn/7387.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Jim, Nothing concrete in this information but might help you in your search or proving your line. Lots of checking for you. Lynde William Holmes Birth: 1600 - England Death: 9 Nov 1678 - Marshfield, Plymouth, Mass (Massachusetts) Parents: Stephen Holmes, Elizabeth Richardson Spouse: Elizabeth Madden The wife of William Holmes a Lt. of John Standish was accused of being a witch by Dinah Sylvester. Was asked what evidence she had, she replied that 'she came to me in the shape of a witch', when further questioned was determined that the shape was that of a bear. To discourage such nonsense, Dinah was fined 5 lbs and whipped. Copies from Gini.com notes regarding John Howland. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s Name: William Homes Year: 1632 Place: Plymouth, Massachusetts Source Publication Code: 116.1 Primary Immigrant: Homes, William Annotation: Date and place of first residence in New England. Extracted from passenger lists, lists of freemen, colony and court records, notarial records, vital records, land records, church records, and journals and letters. Place of origin, occupation, and other genealogical and historical information may also be provided. Source Bibliography: ANDERSON, ROBERT CHARLES. The Great Migration Begins, Immigrants to New England, 1620-1633. Three Volumes. Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1995. 2386p. Page: 979 ------------------------------------ Parents: Robert Madden m. 1571 - Eliza Maria 1580 - Elizabeth Madden m. William New Holmes 1625 Yorkshire England. Birth 8 Jan 1595 in East Riding, Yorkshire, England Death 17 Feb 1698 in Marshfield, Plymouth, MA Children William Holmes 1592 - 1678 John Holmes 1638 - 1675 Josiah Holmes 1638 - 1679 Abraham Holmes 1640 - 1722 Josiah Holmes 1640 - 1721 Israel Holmes 1642 - 1684 Mary Holmes 1644 - 1705 Sarah Holmes 1646 - 1654 Nobenah HOLMES 1647 - Rebecca HOLMES 1648 - Elizabeth HOLMES 1661 - Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:35:41 -0500 From: Abigail Lumsden <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] HOLMES Family To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It would be lovely if someone knows the parents of Mercy Holmes. She was born at Horseneck, NY, April 7, 1731, and died May 20, 1823, at Rutland, VT. Abigail Lumsden [email protected] On Dec 20, 2011, at 3:34 PM, [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: Dale_H_Cook > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts > .unknown/7387.1.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > This must be the William Holmes who came on the Hercules in 1635 [NEHGR 75:219], settled first at Scituate [PCR 8:182], and removed by 1658 to Marshfield [PCR 8:201]. > > The maiden name of his wife Elizabeth is not known. Very little is known of her, mainly that she died at Marshfield 17-Feb-1798 at the age of 86 [Marshfield VR 19; MD 5:233]. William's ancestry is not known. Note that Rev. John Holmes. husband of Mary Wood/Atwood, was not a son of William. See the sketch of the family of William Holmes at 3:392-397 in Robert Charles Anderson, "The Great Migration: Immigrants to New England 1634-1635," 7 Volumes (Boston: New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1999-2011). > > Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; > Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of > http://plymouthcolony.net > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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