Hello, My great grandfather I located I believe it was the 1930 census lists him as inmate at state hospital.....so yep they show up in census... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: genmassachusetts-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:genmassachusetts-request@rootsweb.com> To: genmassachusetts@rootsweb.com<mailto:genmassachusetts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:00 AM Subject: GENMASSACHUSETTS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 138 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Mental asylums in MA? Any, and were they in census? (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com<mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>) 2. Enola DARRES/DOREY marriage? (Barbara Shepard Smith) 3. Re: Mental asylums in MA? Any, and were they in census? (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com<mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>) 4. Susan REMOND, 1850's "activist" (Betty) 5. Re: Mental asylums in MA? Any, and were they in census? (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com<mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>) 6. Vital Records after 1917, Mt. Vernon St., Dorchester ... (TOMIAMI@aol.com<mailto:TOMIAMI@aol.com>) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 11:33:21 -0000 From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com<mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com<mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>> Subject: Re: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] Mental asylums in MA? Any, and were they in census? To: <GenMassachusetts@rootsweb.com<mailto:GenMassachusetts@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <1241436802.96271@rootsweb.com<mailto:1241436802.96271@rootsweb.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bbffrrpp Surnames: Rice, Patience Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/6943.4.1/mb.ashx<http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/6943.4.1/mb.ashx> Message Board Post: Hello. This might help a little. This is my gr-gr-grandmother in 1880 in "Danvers." (This is a reminder to look for all spellings of names, as "Grandma RICE" was Adelaide. RICE, ADELANE C (1880 U.S. Census) MASSACHUSETTS , ESSEX, DANVERS Age: 28, Race: WHITE, Born: MA Series: T9 Roll: 528 Page: 33 The top of the page has written: Danvers Hospital. I don't have time to find out how many pages here list all the "Patients" that year. But, browsing through them will show all the ages. ALSO, Adelaide had given births in 1876 and 1878, and we will never know what her problem was. But, nowadays, we could say she "might" have had "Post-Partum Depression." Betty (near Lowell, MA) ALSO, Maybe 5 years ago I found out about a family-history book written by a man in Chelmsford. It's a large book about the PATIENCE family which lived in the Connecticut River Valley. I didn't read the book cover to cover, but I read several of the stories. One was about a lady who never married, and she lived with several family members during her younger adult years. But, when she got older, she decided she didn't want to live with them any longer. I don't believe she worked, so she didn't have an income. So, somehow she ended up in a facility (state hospital?), where she spent the rest of her life. She did not have a medical reason to live there; it was her choice. She was not "IN" a building; she roamed the grounds when she wanted to. AND, don't forget all the "women problems" which sent women to hospitals. Many husbands found ways to "admit" their unwanted wives to those hospitals / asylums. I even found out about a case in the 1980's. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 09:17:28 -0400 From: "Barbara Shepard Smith" <wataptek131@verizon.net<mailto:wataptek131@verizon.net>> Subject: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] Enola DARRES/DOREY marriage? To: "Massachusett's List" <GENMASSACHUSETTS@rootsweb.com<mailto:GENMASSACHUSETTS@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <CE7283E1C87E4148833C863EA44B3F39@your27e1513d96<mailto:CE7283E1C87E4148833C863EA44B3F39@your27e1513d96>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello List, I have Enola Darres born in the late 1890's in Nova Scotia, who could have possibly moved to the "Boston States" and married. I am looking for her marriage if anyone can find it. The spelling could be any variation of the above names. Her brothers were scattered throughout New England in the lumber industry. Her father was accused of her mother's murder and did time in Nova Scotia, but came out and remarried, living in Lynn, Mass in 1920 with his daughter Goldie who was married to a Henry Burgess. Thank you, Barbara Middleboro, MA ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 14:58:07 -0000 From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com<mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com<mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>> Subject: Re: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] Mental asylums in MA? Any, and were they in census? To: <GenMassachusetts@rootsweb.com<mailto:GenMassachusetts@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <1241449087.158238@rootsweb.com<mailto:1241449087.158238@rootsweb.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fmrees Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/6943.4.2/mb.ashx<http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/6943.4.2/mb.ashx> Message Board Post: To find someone on the hospital census one has to search on the name - I don't believe the hospital census was in any special place, other than to be included in that of the town. I found one once - searching for a particular name - and the heading on the page indicated it as the hospital. I am sorry to say I forget the exact name (I believe it changed a few times over the course of its history). There is a nice site for it still: http://www.danversstateinsaneasylum.com/home.html<http://www.danversstateinsaneasylum.com/home.html> faye Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:36:05 -0400 From: "Betty" <bbffrrpp@comcast.net<mailto:bbffrrpp@comcast.net>> Subject: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] Susan REMOND, 1850's "activist" To: <genMassachusetts-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:genMassachusetts-L@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <B86FC400C5FF4F5890B7F49EC8954CBC@LivingRoom<mailto:B86FC400C5FF4F5890B7F49EC8954CBC@LivingRoom>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello, In this morning's MassMoments e-mail there is another story about an important .woman.. in the history of MA: http://www.massmoments.org:80/moment.cfm?mid=133<http://www.massmoments.org/moment.cfm?mid=133> This is one paragraph: Her mother Nancy was the Newton-born daughter of a man who fought in the Continental Army; her father John was a free black who arrived from the Dutch island of Curacao as a ten-year-old boy in 1798. The Remonds settled in Salem, where they built successful catering, provisioning, and hairdressing businesses. and Although they were prosperous free citizens of Massachusetts and protective parents, they could not shield their eight children from racial discrimination. The family set great store by education, and in 1835, Sarah and her sister passed the examination to enter Salem High School. Within a week,a segregationist school committee forced them to leave the school. Outraged, the Remonds moved to Newport, RI, where Sarah attended a private school for blacks. I know someone with the REDMOND name, and I'm curious whether REMOND are sometimes mixed up in records. ..... Since the "theater" in Boston is mentioned, I could ask how many had an ancestor who was some type of entertainer in Boston. I could mention 2 stores. My mother had an aunt who married Hobart PHELPS and they lived in Lexington. I was reminded a few years ago that Uncle Hobart was an "entertainer." He was some type of "impersonator" in Scollay Square. (Aunt Ruby was a seamstress, and she made the bridesmaids gowns for my wedding. She and her older sister both lived long lives.) And, my grandmother, the twice-orphaned girl, was told many "family stories" which turn out to be many "family lies." When she was reportedly "found" on the streets of Boston in Feb. 1889, she was taken to a hospital. And she was told the nurses gave her the name, Daisy WATROUS. And, she was told that that was the name for a well-known entertainer in Boston at the time. 4-5 yrs. ago I wrote to the Boston Public Library. The Reference Dept. checked all their books of "entertainers," and that name did not appear in any of them. (Since when do nurses give a baby .. a surname?) :o( (In 1892 at her adoption her name was officially changed from Daisy WATROUS to Mary Anna Clark DEXTER. She had just turned 3. We knew that she had nicknames, like "May" or "Mamie," but I never heard her mention a possible nickname of Daisy.) (This name-change is in a book.) (Long, complicated story in archives of MA and CT Lists.) Betty (near Lowell, MA) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 19:25:50 -0000 From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com<mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com<mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>> Subject: Re: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] Mental asylums in MA? Any, and were they in census? To: <GenMassachusetts@rootsweb.com<mailto:GenMassachusetts@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <1241465150.115181@rootsweb.com<mailto:1241465150.115181@rootsweb.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cl238300 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/6943.4.2.1/mb.ashx<http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/6943.4.2.1/mb.ashx> Message Board Post: Thank you for your response. What I am really looking for is an uncle who was born with Downs Syndrome and died as a young child. Back then it was a disgrace to have a child that was different and doctors insisted that they be put into an institution. I can find no records of birth, institution, or death. Everyone in the family has now passed on except for one uncle who denies anything that has to do with the family secrets. There is a family cemetery plot but either he is not buried there or he is not registered as being buried there. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:39:57 EDT From: TOMIAMI@aol.com<mailto:TOMIAMI@aol.com> Subject: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] Vital Records after 1917, Mt. Vernon St., Dorchester ... To: genmassachusetts-l@rootsweb.com<mailto:genmassachusetts-l@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <bca.49cded0e.3730d6cd@aol.com<mailto:bca.49cded0e.3730d6cd@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello. I think I may have to go to Boston to get this death record. I've spent many hours at the Archives, but not at the other building. I've heard it is somewhat difficult to work there. Can someone please tell me how this place works? Is it actually part of Bay State Convention center, or just close to it? Is there a parking lot? Where is it located? I'll use my GPS to find the address, but any tips appreciated. I'm not good at driving in Boston! Thanks. 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