This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: joshnixon98 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7569.1.1.2.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for both of your posts. From my research, i haven't turned up anything about a native Amnerican boarding school in Springfield, mass. I've been trying to see if i can find anything. it was one of the schools that unfortunately indoctrinated native Americans with "american" culture, taught them english, cut their hair, and converted them to Christianity, all while destroying their native culture. Very sad, indeed. i just haven't found any proof of a school. Family lore tends to have more myth to it than fact, i recently found out another ancestor of mine may not have been indian either, which both my grandfather and father would refute.It may well be true that he was half native american, but I haven't found a lot of census' with francois listed. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: joshnixon98 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7569.1.1.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for both of your posts. From my reasearch, i haven't turned up anything about a native Amnerican boarding school in Springfield, mass. I've been trying to see if i can find anything. it was one of the schools that unfortunately indoctrinated native Americans with "american" culture, taught them english, cut their hair, and converted them to Christianity, all while destroying their native culture. Very sad, indeed. i just haven't found any proof of a school. Family lore tends to have more myth to it than fact, i recently found out another ancestor of mine may not have been indian either, which both my grandfather and father would refute.It may well be true that he was half native american, but I haven't found a lot of census' with francois listed. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dldove22 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7569.1.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: However, there were certain census years, like 1850, where people of mixed Native ancestry may have been marked in the race column as W, but if there was a script L on the same line, it meant they were part Native. I found this on the 1850 census in New York, the 1860 census in Ohio, and the 1870 census in Massachusetts. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: joshnixon98 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7569.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you. I have a feeling he may have identified as white to remove any social stigma that may have existed at that time because he was mixed...either that or I don't have any native American heritage. Do you know if there was a Native American Boarding school in Springfield, Mass? That's what I have always been told. The fact he lived in Springfield at one time seems to coincide with that. If there was never any such school for Native Americans in Massachusetts, i can deduce he was probably of French canadian ancestry. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jjcaffrey Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7569.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I would not draw any conclusions from the inconsistencies. It's really quite common for families that have moved about. It's not as if people needed birth certificates or carried driver's licenses. Just wasn't an important element of life at the time. I can't address the heritage aspects. i did notice that the census records recorded him as white, which doesn't conclude anything, but is a data point. Good luck! John Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: joshnixon98 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7569.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I believe too, that The Mohawks were one of the 5 tribes of the iroquois Confederacy as well...one of the most powerful indian nations. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dldove22 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7569.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I know what it's like doing long-distance research. There have always been Mohawks in the St. Lawrence Valley in the post-contact era. There's one reservation in New York and at least two more in Quebec. There was also another group called the Algonkins and another the Montagnais. I may be spelling it wrong. You can go here for reliable histories: http://www.tolatsga.org/Compacts.html What tribe ancestors were very much depends on what time period it was and what tribes were living there at the time. For instance, Ohio was the homeland of the Erie Indians. The Mohawks wiped out them out in the Beaver Wars. Later the Delawares, Shawnees, Miamis and Senecas moved into their land in an effort to escape the westward expansion of the Europeans. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: joshnixon98 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7569.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for the kind words of advice. I live in North Carolina, so traveling to Massachusetts is a bit out of the question, hence i can only really rely on what i have available. I will definitely not rule out abenaki or maybe huron heritage.( the hurons were major allies of the french canadians and were mortal enemies of the Iriquois. They even invaded the hurons and attacked quebec many times during the first years of settlement. I have so little info about Francois nothing is out of the question. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dldove22 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7569.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Rootsweb completely ate my first reply to you ): You're right to surmise that the Native ancestry may have more to do with the original people of the area, instead of the Cherokee. As what happened in my family, yours may have misremembered what the tribe was, probably due to time, substituting the name of a more easily remembered tribe. There are still descendants of the original people in all the places you named. Because there's a mention of Canada, I would check the border crossings between the U.S. and Canada, since it seems your ancestors seemed to move around, another Native trait. You may find that someone came from or visited Native communities in Canada. A friend found her Abenaki ancestors that way. I don't know where you live, but they're available in Springfield at the library of the Connecticut Valley Historical Society. I've seen that you can access them through Ancestry and many public libraries have an account. The Abenakis lived in New York as well as Vermont and New Hampshire, and Springfield, which sounds like your family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: joshnixon98 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7569.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Very interesting that the records show so many inconsistencies. Do you think this was because he was half Native American and he wanted to escape any prejudice during this time period?I still haven't found any evidence of a springfield, mass indian school, although it is interesting that he lived in springfield in 1910...which again adds proof to the family lore. I also find it interesting his mother was born in NY, not north carolina or the southern mountains where the cherokee are located. Could he be iroquois instead of cherokee? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jjcaffrey Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7569.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Do you have a time for Angelina? There is an Angelina, born in Agawam in 1911... https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FXVS-QZ3 I suspect this to be the marriage of her parents Frank and Angelina... https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N48F-CXL The marriage record indicates that Frank was born in Canada, but the 1910 census suggests Connecticut. (Albina Homon is Angelina Dagenais' sister)... 1910 United States Federal Census about Frank Larock Name: Frank Larock Age in 1910: 24 Birth Year: 1886 Birthplace: Connecticut Home in 1910: Springfield Ward 6, Hampden, Massachusetts Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Brother-in-law Marital Status: Married Father's Birthplace: Canada French Mother's Birthplace: New York Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Homon 25 Albinu Homon 25 Irene Homon 4 Angelina Larock 19 [33] Frank Larock 24 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: joshnixon98 Surnames: Larocque, Descoteaux Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7569/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello everyone. I'm searching for some information on Francois Larocque. I don't know his birth or death date, or who he married, but he had a daughter, Angelina Larocque, who married Arthur Descouteaux. Family lore has it that he was half Cherokee Indian (his father was french canadian)and attended a Native American boarding school in Springfield Mass. First off, was there a Native American boarding School in Springfield, mass? i haven't found any evidence of one, although in his pictures he looks very Native American, which seems to verify the theory. It is doubtful he was born in massachusetts, but it could still be a possibility. i haven't found him listed on any cherokee documents, either. Can anyone help? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

>From the NEHGS online birth records there is a birth registered in Fall River, MA on August 26, 1894 of Angelina Larocque with the parents: William, teamster, born in VT and Angelle Cardin, born in Canada.   Is this the correct time frame? http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7569/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello everyone. I'm searching for some information on Francois Larocque. I don't know his birth or death date, or who he married, but he had a daughter, Angelina Larocque, who married Arthur Descouteaux. Family lore has it that he was half Cherokee Indian (his father was french canadian)and attended a Native American boarding school in Springfield Mass. First off, was there a Native American boarding School in Springfield, mass? i haven't found any evidence of one, although in his pictures he looks very Native American, which seems to verify the theory. It is doubtful he was born in massachusetts, but it could still be a possibility. i haven't found him listed on any cherokee documents, either. Can anyone help? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Dale_H_Cook Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7469.1.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Randy and Jane - I am always glad to lend a hand. Long ago when I was starting out in genealogy plenty of folks on RootsWeb mailing lists and message boards gave me a hand. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jec617 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7469.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Randy, You are welcome. Good luck in your search. Jane Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jec617 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7469.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your help. Jane Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: vegcousin Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7469.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you Jane & Dale for this information. I truly appreciate you responding to my query. Randy from Western Canada Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Dale_H_Cook Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7469.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: > Thank you for the links. De nada - if a genealogical reference work concerning New England families is in the public domain, I generally know if it is online and, if it is online, the best place to download a copy. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jec617 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7469.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for the links. I was able to find and print the page for Henry Neale's land grant. Jane Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Dale_H_Cook Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7469.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: > the land grants are in Boston Town Records (vol. 2, page 49). > I have not been able to find that volume online. That extensive list of grants actually be gins on p. 48, and the grant to Henry Neale for "3 heads, 12 Acrs there upon the same Covenant of 3s. p. Acre." is on p. 50. The volume that you seek is: "Second Report of the Record Commissioners of the City of Boston, 1877, Containing the Boston Records, 1634-1660, and the Book of Possessions" (Boston: Rockwell and Churchill, 1877; Reprinted Boston: Municipal Printing Office, 1905) Two scans are at the Internet Archive Text Archive: http://archive.org/details/secondreportofre00bost and http://archive.org/details/secondreportofre1881bost Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.