Tertius usually means "the third" In a message dated 1/21/2009 3:12:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, genmassachusetts-request@rootsweb.com writes: reply-type=original Trying to help Robby pin down the ancestors of Cheney Capen. Looks like one of these might be the right one, but this has me stummped. I have never seen a surname Tertius before. The online dictionary doesn't even give a definition and I can't find it before 1750 other than in Dorcester. Can anyone tell me more about this? I think that Samuel is more likely Samuel Capen the third, and his surname is not Tertius. I only find a few entries for Tertius before 1750 and they all are Samuel Capen Tertius and John Capen Tertius in Dorcester between 1725-1750. Eventually there are given names of Tertius, but it is rare to see it as a surname. The other factor is that it was very rare for persons of this era to have a middle name. Any help appreciated! **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. (http://news.aol.com/main/politics/inauguration?ncid=emlcntusnews00000003)

To whom do I send the list of incorrect Tertius surnames so they can be corrected in the index?? Sam comes to mind, via Sue R., but I don't know how to reach him and the NEHGS site doesn't really say how to request corrections. These Tertius are found in the Massachusetts Vital Records to 1850 database. Kathy P.

At 12:47 PM 1/21/2009, Isabelle Gilmore wrote: >I would like to know where I can find the following source you mentioned in >your search for Samuel Capen which is: "A Report of the Record >Commissioners of the City of Boston, Containing Dorchester Births, >Marriages, and Deaths to the End of 1825" (Boston: Rockwell and Churchill, >1890; Second Impression 1891). It is available at Heritage Quest Online, and might also be at Ancestry.com, both of which can be accessed at many public libraries. It has also appeared on CD-ROM collections of Massachusetts vital records volumes. You might also try getting it through interlibrary loan. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net ____________________________________________________________ Never lose valuable data again! Click now for reliable data backup! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1a2L1Kgn7KwM18g81hmjst4cD74olUxQXsG6QX5CufsOcye/

At 11:54 AM 1/21/2009, Kathy Parkinson wrote: >The entries were found at NEHGS You could post a message in the NEHGS forums, or email the webmaster, letting them know that those entries are incorrectly indexed. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net ____________________________________________________________ Click here for free information on how to reduce your debt by filing for bankruptcy. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw22U59o1F738PBhbqd6W6E9mWQFLgBIIZeDW5PG8I2d15fbs/

from Welcome to the Machelsea Family Group children 1. Gerald WOODLAND - I40136 2. Luella WOODLAND - I40139 3. George WOODLAND - I40140 Jim Denning -Ygenealogist-MTgenealogist using Genetics to connect Genealogy List owner of Irish-dna,Piscopo-l-Heslin-l,McHugh-l,Cogan-l-Machelsea-l,Ita-Frosinone-l,Mazzola-l-Duggan-l Project Manager of Chelsea Ma. Genetics Project,Denning&Variants Project-Farrell Genetics Project-The Cogan Project- the Duggan Project- County Longford Project-Frosinone Italy Project-Parramatta-Sydney Project- Hannibal MO-QuincyIL Project-Brighton-NewtonMA Project In a message dated 1/21/2009 3:12:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, genmassachusetts-request@rootsweb.com writes: 25 June 1975 **************Inauguration '09: Get complete coverage from the nation's capital. (http://news.aol.com/main/politics/inauguration?ncid=emlcntusnews00000003)

The entries were found at NEHGS in a search for the surname Capen in the Massachusetts Vital records to 1850. The listing produced by the search show the surname as Tertius, but that showed up because the search was for Capen. Sorry if it was overkill on the data shown. I get carried away. I was Tertius meant third, but couldn't find it in a Google search. I was looking for confirmation on the meaning. My spousal unit could not remember the Latin either. He took Latin in high school, I did not. After 45 years, he is entitled to have replaced the knowledge of a dead language with other stuff! Seriously, later on in the VR there are persons with Tertius as their given name! Thanks to all! Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale H. Cook" <radiotest@plymouthcolony.net> To: "GenMassachusetts" <GenMassachusetts@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] Tertius as a surname? > At 08:43 PM 1/20/2009, Kathy Parkinson wrote: > >>I think that Samuel is more likely Samuel Capen the third, and his >>surname is not Tertius. > > You are correct. I don't know where you found the birth entries you > cited (I presume somewhere online), but it looks as though the person > who indexed them did not understand that. The entries are taken from > BRC21, where there is no index entry for "Tertius" and those entries > are indexed as "Capen" - " A Report of the Record Commissioners of > the City of Boston, Containing Dorchester Births, Marriages, and > Deaths to the End of 1825" (Boston: Rockwell and Churchill, 1890; > Second Impression 1891). > > Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; > Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project > Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here for great quotes from top international movers! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw28IuZRVoMVAj7Y4fnyAewSX56QmBHbDeziRu08WLWJKejKS/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENMASSACHUSETTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 09:30 AM 1/21/2009, Joann H. Nichols wrote: >According to Arnold's Rhode Island vital records, in Cumberland, RI, >reference 1:74, COLE, John, of Worcester, Mass., and Hannah Bates >(widow), of Cumberland, dau. of John Burlingame; m. by John Dexter, >Justice, Jan. 28, 1779. > >Does anyone have info on this John Cole? There is no record of his birth at Worcester as far back as 1714. The best candidate I see is John, son of Ezekiel and Margaret (___) Cole, born 03-Feb-1760 at Sutton in Worcester Co. [Sutton VR 44]. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net ____________________________________________________________ Click here for help with your credit cards. Free information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2Om07gkIlydnCQdM2PEfEQzhrOhsHkxumUApZK4Zq2IKckC/

I would like to know where I can find the following source you mentioned in your search for Samuel Capen which is: " A Report of the Record Commissioners of> the City of Boston, Containing Dorchester Births, Marriages, and> Deaths to the End of 1825" (Boston: Rockwell and Churchill, 1890;> Second Impression 1891). I am interested in the area and the time this report was compiled as I may have had ancestors living in Dorchestor then. Thank you. Isabelle/CA

According to Arnold's Rhode Island vital records, in Cumberland, RI, reference 1:74, COLE, John, of Worcester, Mass., and Hannah Bates (widow), of Cumberland, dau. of John Burlingame; m. by John Dexter, Justice, Jan. 28, 1779. Does anyone have info on this John Cole? Ancestry, siblings, etc.? I believe he may have died young, as Hannah dies in VT as Hannah Carey in 1822. Thanks for any clues. Joann Nichols

Hi Richard, I'm curious if you wrote to the City Clerk in Revere and asked if they have a "death record" for the WOODLAND's. There should be 2, one for where they lived and one for where they died. http://www.revere.org/ The City of Revere is not mentioned very often, and I've never been to their Library. But, you should be able to write to them, or call the Reference Dept., and ask how you can request an "obituary look-up." http://www.reverepubliclibrary.org/home.htm I'm not seeing "genealogy" mentioned on that web site. And there is very little information on the Ref. Dept. page. Perhaps it is a small library. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revere,_Massachusetts Betty (near Lowell, MA) FYI: I'm not finding a site for a "Revere Historical Society," but found this site: http://www.reverebeach.com/rschp/ http://www.reverebeach.com/rb-newspapers.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Noble" <nobler@accesswave.ca> Cc: <genmassachusetts-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] Obituaries in Revere Mass. > I'm looking for a couple of Obits for people who lived in Revere Mass. > > They are - > > Albert Livingstone Woodland, who died 25 June 1975. The Mass. death index > says he died in North Reading, > but the SSDI says the last benefit went to Revere. I figure he was about > 92 > when he died. > > His wife Elizabeth Helen Woodland died 15 January 1974. The death idex > says > she died at Andover, and like > her husband, the SSDI says the last benefit went to Revere. I figure she > was > about 90 when she died. > > Is there anyone on the list that would have access to a newspaper that > might > have these obits?? > > > > >

At 07:20 AM 1/21/2009, Joann H. Nichols wrote: >It would be interesting to see the original recording. In each of the entries that she gave, the literal transcription follows the year and capitalized surname. See "A Report of the Record Commissioners of the City of Boston, Containing Dorchester Births, Marriages, and Deaths to the End of 1825" (Boston: Rockwell and Churchill, 1890; Second Impression 1891). Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net ____________________________________________________________ Internet Security Software - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1a6N7d1l9zTWwje1PfBTykyHky9To6PJ8vpLEpnXKMt3KP4/

I had two Scot-Irish ancestral families living at Sheepscot or Sheepscot Bridge ca 1720. This was part of Mass. at that time, but is now Maine. I believe Rev. Christopher Tappan of Essex Co. purchased this patent. This area is around what is now Newcastle/Boothbay, Maine. I know one line was on one of the 5 ships to Boston 1718 Can anyone help me with Sheepscot in that time period? thanks, Charles

My ancestor, Matthew GREEN(E), died at Boston 1853 and is buried at the Rindge Ave. Cemetery, Cambridge. Matthew was a native of Co. Cork and was a tailor by trade. Ha was married to Margaret McCARTHY, also of Co. Cork. AND Matthew's brother William, also a tailor was living in Boston's North End. Matthew probably wasn't in the country long enough to be naturalized. But it's my understanding immigrants in that time period had to file "first papers", which was the prelude to naturalization. Is there a central location for the first papers, or is it hit and miss in trying to find them? thanks, Charles

I agree that Tertius refers to the Third. It would be interesting to see the original recording. Joann Parkinson wrote: > Trying to help Robby pin down the ancestors of Cheney Capen. Looks like one > of these might be the right one, but this has me stummped. I have never > seen a surname Tertius before. The online dictionary doesn't even give a > definition and I can't find it before 1750 other than in Dorcester. > > Can anyone tell me more about this? I think that Samuel is more likely > Samuel Capen the third, and his surname is not Tertius. I only find a few > entries for Tertius before 1750 and they all are Samuel Capen Tertius and > John Capen Tertius in Dorcester between 1725-1750. Eventually there are > given names of Tertius, but it is rare to see it as a surname. The other > factor is that it was very rare for persons of this era to have a middle > name. > > Any help appreciated! > Kathy P. > > Dorcester MA Births: > 1723 CAPEN Ruth the Daughter of John Capen and Ruth his wife was born march > ye 16th day 1723/4 > 1725 CAPEN Sarah ye Daughter of John Capen & Ruth his Wife, was Born ye > 21st. Day of July 1725. > 1727 TERTIUS Esther ye Daughter of John Capen Tertius & Ruth his Wife was > Born Apr. 5th. 1727. > 1728 TERTIUS Nathanael ye Son of John Capen Tertius & Ruth his Wife was > Born June 19th. 1728. > 1730 TERTIUS Christopher ye Son of John Capen Tertius and Ruth his Wife was > Born Apr. 20th. 1730. > 1734 CAPEN John ye Son of John Capen Junr. & Ruth his Wife was Born May 9th. > 1734. > > 1724 CAPEN Ann the Daughter of Samuel Capen & Deborah his wife was born > november 11th 1724 > 1725 TERTIUS Timothy ye Son of Samuel Capen Tertius & Deborah his Wife was > Born Febr. 3d. 1725/6 > 1727 TERTIUS James ye Son of Samuel Capen Tertius & Deborah his Wife was > Born Decr. 14th. 1727. > 1728 TERTIUS James ye Son of Samuel Capen Tertius and Deborah his Wife was > Born Decr. 25th 1728. > 1730 TERTINS Elizabeth ye Daughter of Samuel Capen Tertins & Deborah his > Wife was Born December 11th. 1730. > > Moving to Leicester > 1734 CAPEN Elizabeth, d. Samuel and Deborah, March 6, 1731. > 1735 CAPEN Elisabeth, d. Samuel and Deborah, Jan. 11, 1735-6. > 1736 CAPEN Elisabeth, d. Samuel and Deborah, April 13, 1736. a. 2 m. 2 d. > 1737 CAPEN John, s. Samuell and Deborah, March 1, (or May dup.) [1737 ?]. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENMASSACHUSETTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

At 08:43 PM 1/20/2009, Kathy Parkinson wrote: >I think that Samuel is more likely Samuel Capen the third, and his >surname is not Tertius. You are correct. I don't know where you found the birth entries you cited (I presume somewhere online), but it looks as though the person who indexed them did not understand that. The entries are taken from BRC21, where there is no index entry for "Tertius" and those entries are indexed as "Capen" - " A Report of the Record Commissioners of the City of Boston, Containing Dorchester Births, Marriages, and Deaths to the End of 1825" (Boston: Rockwell and Churchill, 1890; Second Impression 1891). Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net ____________________________________________________________ Click here for great quotes from top international movers! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw28IuZRVoMVAj7Y4fnyAewSX56QmBHbDeziRu08WLWJKejKS/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: yazep Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/2679.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Some history to think about- The village where the Pecevich clan is concentrated is Veliki (Greater) Stepanishki, Hrodna (Grodno-Russian variant), Belarus. It is next to Maliyye (Lesser) Stepanishki. The nearest town is Mosty. 'Most' means 'bridge' - and there are important bridges that span the Neman River there. Nearby towns are also Patsevichi and Peski. I was told by a government archivist that Pecevich is a variant of Patsevich and, that Patsevich is from the old name 'Patz' going back to the 12th-13th centuries. They were contemporaries of the Radziwill's. One of the most prominent features in Veliki Stepanishki is a very high section of an earthen raised railroad grade. It was part of the great railroad expansion done by the Russian Czar in the late 19th century-early 20th Century. Other than that it looks alot like a southeastern-Mass. town with bogs, swamps, forests, streams - and basically flat. The nearby village of Maliyye Stepanishki also contains many Pecevich families but has has more Kasperovich families. My father was Stephen, his father was Walter (Vladimir, or, Uladzimier, in Belarusian), son of Gregory, son of Christopher. Walter had three brothers and two sisters. None of them came to and stayed in the U.S. - although one of the girl's husbands, Matt Volkovich, came here and died of a fractured skull. Vikenti ended up in Harbin, China as he was part of the White Army during the Russian Civil War that got chased out of Russia after unsuccessful American and British interventions. Many relatives are alive in Belarus and Russia. Not too many that experienced WWII were still around when I visited some years ago. Many remembered stories of relatives and neighbors that had left for the U.S. Some villagers asked if I knew any Lisai's or Kuczun's. There were apparently some mariages between the Pecevich, Lisai and Kuczun clans. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I'm looking for a couple of Obits for people who lived in Revere Mass. They are - Albert Livingstone Woodland, who died 25 June 1975. The Mass. death index says he died in North Reading, but the SSDI says the last benefit went to Revere. I figure he was about 92 when he died. His wife Elizabeth Helen Woodland died 15 January 1974. The death idex says she died at Andover, and like her husband, the SSDI says the last benefit went to Revere. I figure she was about 90 when she died. Is there anyone on the list that would have access to a newspaper that might have these obits??

Trying to help Robby pin down the ancestors of Cheney Capen. Looks like one of these might be the right one, but this has me stummped. I have never seen a surname Tertius before. The online dictionary doesn't even give a definition and I can't find it before 1750 other than in Dorcester. Can anyone tell me more about this? I think that Samuel is more likely Samuel Capen the third, and his surname is not Tertius. I only find a few entries for Tertius before 1750 and they all are Samuel Capen Tertius and John Capen Tertius in Dorcester between 1725-1750. Eventually there are given names of Tertius, but it is rare to see it as a surname. The other factor is that it was very rare for persons of this era to have a middle name. Any help appreciated! Kathy P. Dorcester MA Births: 1723 CAPEN Ruth the Daughter of John Capen and Ruth his wife was born march ye 16th day 1723/4 1725 CAPEN Sarah ye Daughter of John Capen & Ruth his Wife, was Born ye 21st. Day of July 1725. 1727 TERTIUS Esther ye Daughter of John Capen Tertius & Ruth his Wife was Born Apr. 5th. 1727. 1728 TERTIUS Nathanael ye Son of John Capen Tertius & Ruth his Wife was Born June 19th. 1728. 1730 TERTIUS Christopher ye Son of John Capen Tertius and Ruth his Wife was Born Apr. 20th. 1730. 1734 CAPEN John ye Son of John Capen Junr. & Ruth his Wife was Born May 9th. 1734. 1724 CAPEN Ann the Daughter of Samuel Capen & Deborah his wife was born november 11th 1724 1725 TERTIUS Timothy ye Son of Samuel Capen Tertius & Deborah his Wife was Born Febr. 3d. 1725/6 1727 TERTIUS James ye Son of Samuel Capen Tertius & Deborah his Wife was Born Decr. 14th. 1727. 1728 TERTIUS James ye Son of Samuel Capen Tertius and Deborah his Wife was Born Decr. 25th 1728. 1730 TERTINS Elizabeth ye Daughter of Samuel Capen Tertins & Deborah his Wife was Born December 11th. 1730. Moving to Leicester 1734 CAPEN Elizabeth, d. Samuel and Deborah, March 6, 1731. 1735 CAPEN Elisabeth, d. Samuel and Deborah, Jan. 11, 1735-6. 1736 CAPEN Elisabeth, d. Samuel and Deborah, April 13, 1736. a. 2 m. 2 d. 1737 CAPEN John, s. Samuell and Deborah, March 1, (or May dup.) [1737 ?].

This is interesting! It took some doing to figure her out as there were two Maria Capen in Worcester County, MA during the whole time. She starts out in Spencer and winds up in Charlton.. married Cheney Capen 1853 as Hannah M. Morgan, but by the time son Lewis marries, she is Maria H. Details below: 1860 Census Charlton: Alfred Capen 42, Maria E. Capen 34, Henry H. Capen 4 and Elida M. Capen 1 Spencer: Cheney Capen 34, Maria Capen 34, Lewis M. Capen 4 1870 Charlton: Alfred 57, Marie 44, Herbert H. 13, Dinah M. 11 Spencer: Cheny 44, Maria 34, Lewis M. 15, Melvin E. 4 1880 Charlton: Maria E. 54, Elida M. 21 Spencer: Cheney Capen, 55, head, farmer Maria Capen, 45, wife, Lewis M. 24, son, Melvin W, 14, son 1910 census Charleton: Lewis M. Capen, 55, m1 25ys, Isabella, 57 m2 1 child, 1 living , Maria H. mother 75, widow Spencer: Maria Capen 84, widow, in home of Herbert H. 54, household also includes Elida M. 51, Herbert's son is Alfred NEHGS Capen Alford Charlton 1848-49 38 320 Marriage item 11, Sept 17, 1848 Alford Capen, residing Charlton, 30, shoemaker, Abraham & Anna Maria E. Sibley, residing Spencer, 22, Russell & Sukey first marriage for both Capen Henry H. Charlton 1856 98 215 Birth item 20, July 8, 1856, Henry H. Capen, male, Alfred & Mariah E. Capen, residing Charlton, tanner, both parents born Spencer Capen (Female) Charlton 1858 116 154 Birth daughter of Alfred and Maria Capen Alfred Charlton 1876 285 332 Death Capen Cheney Spencer 1853 71 277 Marriage item 8, May 11, Cheney Capen, residing Spencer, farmer born Spencer, James Capen, first marriage for both Hannah M. Morgan, residing Spencer, born Spencer, Ra___ Morgan Capen Lewis Milton Spencer 1855 92 222 Birth son of Cheney and Hannah M. Capen, Aug 12, 1855 Capen Lewis M. Brookfield 1883 345 268 Marriage son of Cheney and Maria H., m. Isabella Capen Cheney Spencer 1904 86 414 Death Capen Melvin C. Spencer 1865 179 218 Birth son of Alfred and Maria Capen Capen Herbert H. Spencer 1878 300 258 Marriage son of Alfred and Maria E, bride is Edith Parkhurst Capen Herbert H. Spencer 1899 490 361 Marriage son of Alfred and Maria E. Silby, bride Kate M. Pouty Capen Melvin C. Spencer 1885 363 351 Marriage son of Cheney & Maria bride is Cora J. Doane Capen Melvin C. Charlton 1885 363 275 Marriage son of Cheney and Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robby" <yankeeindixie@bellsouth.net> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] Maria H. Capen Looking for any information about Maria H. Capen, born in MA ca 1835. In 1910 census she is living with waht appears to be her son and his wife; Lewis M. Capen born MA abt 1835 and wife Isabella born England. They are all living in Charlton, Worcestor, MA in 1910. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Robby Robinson An 'old' Yankee in the 'Heart of Dixie'

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jeanmayo1053 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/6900.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Yes...and am working on getting a copy of her obituary. Work in progress. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.