Hi Betty, thanks for the information, but I don't think any of them fit my criteria, as Paul was born in 1929, and Bertrand would have been his older brother, but not that much older! haha,  I will see if I can get any more information from my stepdaughter.  The family was kind of 'fractured' and this might be very difficult.  Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ms Betty Fredericks" <[email protected]> To: "MA List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:19:45 AM Subject: [GENMASSACHUSETTS] SINCLAIR / ZIMMERMAN  couple Hi again,   I'm still looking at www.familysearch.org   and thinking about the 3 sons.      I do find a  Bertrand SINCLAIR in Gardner, MA,  who is something to think about.   Name: Bertrand N Sinclair   Titles & Terms:   Residence: Gardner town (south part), Worcester, Massachusetts   Birth Date: Sep 1877   Birthplace: Massachusetts   Relationship to Head of Household:   Spouse:   Spouse's Titles & Terms:   Spouse's Birthplace:   Father:   Father's Titles & Terms:   Father's Birthplace: Massachusetts   Mother:   Mother's Titles & Terms:   Mother's Birthplace: Massachusetts   Race or Color (expanded): White   Head-of-household Name: George Hubbard   Gender: Male   Marital Status: Single   Years Married:   Estimated Marriage Year:   Mother How Many Children:   Number Living Children:   Immigration Year:   Enumeration District: 1631   Page: 10   Sheet Letter: B   Family Number: 227   Reference Number: 76   Film Number: 1240692   Image Number: 00347     Household Gender Age  George Hubbard  M    Phild A Hubbard  F    George E Hubbard  M    Grace E Hubbard  F      Bertrand N Sinclair  M    Lydia Hubbard  F     That is the 1900 census,  and the 1880 census has him listed as a 2 yr-old in the Merwin SINCLAIR family in Westminster, MA.     That Bertrand died in MA in 1910.      Oh, he married in Providence, RI, in 1909.   With a couple only being married for one year,  you always wonder whether a child resulted from the short marriage.   Betty              (near Lowell, MA)   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again,   I'm still looking at www.familysearch.org   and thinking about the 3 sons.      I do find a  Bertrand SINCLAIR in Gardner, MA,  who is something to think about.   Name: Bertrand N Sinclair Titles & Terms: Residence: Gardner town (south part), Worcester, Massachusetts Birth Date: Sep 1877 Birthplace: Massachusetts Relationship to Head of Household: Spouse: Spouse's Titles & Terms: Spouse's Birthplace: Father: Father's Titles & Terms: Father's Birthplace: Massachusetts Mother: Mother's Titles & Terms: Mother's Birthplace: Massachusetts Race or Color (expanded): White Head-of-household Name: George Hubbard Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Years Married: Estimated Marriage Year: Mother How Many Children: Number Living Children: Immigration Year: Enumeration District: 1631 Page: 10 Sheet Letter: B Family Number: 227 Reference Number: 76 Film Number: 1240692 Image Number: 00347   Household Gender Age George Hubbard M Phild A Hubbard F George E Hubbard M Grace E Hubbard F   Bertrand N Sinclair M Lydia Hubbard F   That is the 1900 census,  and the 1880 census has him listed as a 2 yr-old in the Merwin SINCLAIR family in Westminster, MA.     That Bertrand died in MA in 1910.      Oh, he married in Providence, RI, in 1909.   With a couple only being married for one year,  you always wonder whether a child resulted from the short marriage.   Betty              (near Lowell, MA)

Hi Barbara,   I use HeritageQuest from my local library,  and I just checked and there were about 100  ZIMMERMAN people in MA in the 1920 census.   And, about 75 people in MA in 1910.  *     In both years there were a half-dozen or so people with the name in Worcester County.    Most were in Suffolk County those years.     I found one family which is a small possibility,  but in 1910 "Lizzie"  (?)  is 28.   ZIMMERMAN, CHRISTOF   (1910 U.S. Census) MASSACHUSETTS , WORCESTER, CLINTON Age: 59, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: GERM Series: T624 Roll: 627 Page: 138   There were a little over 175 people with the SINCLAIR name in MA in 1920.    But, I don't see any Elizabeth or Lizzie who is a wife or mother.   I don't know why this lady doesn't show up in the Index for the 1920 census,   but she does show up at   www.familysearch.org   Name: Elizabeth A Sinclair Residence: Haverhill City, Essex, Massachusetts Estimated Birth Year: 1881 Age: 39 Birthplace: Massachusetts Relationship to Head of Household: Wife Gender: Female Race: White Marital Status: Married Father's Birthplace: Mother's Birthplace: Film Number: 1820691 Digital Folder Number: 4301087 Image Number: 00504 Sheet Number: 9   Household Gender Age Spouse Percy L Sinclair M 43y   Elizabeth A Sinclair F 39y Child Wendell B Sinclair M 11y Child Irene M Sinclair F 5y   Here is another Elizabeth:   Name: Elizabeth Sinclair Residence: Walden City Ward 4, Middlesex, Massachusetts Estimated Birth Year: 1884 Age: 36 Birthplace: Massachusetts Relationship to Head of Household: Granddaughter Gender: Female Race: White Marital Status: Married Father's Birthplace: Mother's Birthplace: Film Number: 1820713 Digital Folder Number: 4301110 Image Number: 00649 Sheet Number: 9   Household Gender Age Clarence Stickney M 70y Elvira Stickney F 61y Melvin Stickney M 20y Harry J Sinclair M 37y   Elizabeth Sinclair F 36y Elizabeth Sinclair F 8y Elvira Sinclair F 7y Ruth Sinclair F 5y   Betty        (near Lowell, MA)

Hello listers, I don't have much to go on this one, but an Elizabeth Zimmerman, married an unknown Sinclair. They had 3 sons that I know of, Fred H. Sinclair, d. 2004 Burtram Sinclair Paul Sinclair 1929-1970 my stepdaughter is trying to research her family. Paul, the youngest was her grandfather. He was born in Worcester county, we think. Any help? Leads? anything would be appreciated. I checked Heritage Quest's free search with my BPL card, and saw 3 Elizabeth zimmerman births in the Mass Vital free records, but can't get much further than that. I'm guessing that 2 of the boys should be in the 1920 census, but Heritage Quest that I use only lists by head of household, and I don't have that name. Thank you, Barbara Shepard

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jrduff1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/697.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Is there by chance a typo in the 12-27-89 DOD? An artist by the name of Edward Warnagiris, said to be born in 1933 in Pittston, PA, gave a 1991 art lesson in Kenilworth, N.J., according to the Dec. 12, 1991, edition of the Cranford Chronicle newspaper, archive.cranfordlibrary.org:8080/CranfordChronicle/.../pg_0005.pdf Or is this a different Edward Warnagiris? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: beedub1950 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7386.1.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: YES. Use it extensively. Have spent many hours in the Salt Lake City Family History Library. thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: beedub1950 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7386.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I know quite a bit about the site. I have spent many hours in the Salt Lake City Family History Library. Problem is not knowing Ruth's last name AND New York states lack of vital records until about 1850. thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mmbutts1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7386.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: do you know about www.familysearch.org? Margaret Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: beedub1950 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7386.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thanks for responding; I do not know Ruth and Rufus marriage date. Just found out that she said she was born in Saratoga County in the copy of 1855 NY State Census I have. Searching that site now. Only birth info I have for children (5) is from Quaker records. I have death info also from SOF records but parents info not listed. Lots of places to still check in free sites. Have spent a lot of money getting Vital Records books for towns in Massachusetts, since that is where Rufus is from and I assumed that Ruth was from there also. Same daughter in 1880 US Census said mother and father were both born in Massachusetts - but not able to get statewide index for births to look at dob match. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: beedub1950 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7386.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: thanks for responding; I do not know date of marriage. Just recently found out that the first child of Rufus and Ruth WINSLOW was Sybil (Sibil), dob 1804, and in the 1855 NY State Census she says she was born in Saratoga County, NY. Just in last week I have been getting into searching Saratoga County sites. The only birth info I have is from the Society of Friends records from Scipio, Cayuga, NY when the family became members. Apparently Ruth had possibly been a member of the SOF in the Saratoga/Easton Monthly Meeting at one time and one of my next steps is having Swarthmore College do a name search in their Quaker records to match the dob. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mmbutts1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7386.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Do you know when Ruth got married? Any other children's birth records that might say her maiden name? death record? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Carol,   I just checked and the SSDI  is still available at     www.familysearch.org     http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ssdi/search_ssdi.asp&clear_form=true     For those who don't know,  you can still use the old site there.    Just click on  "Go to Previous Site."   And, then click on  "Advanced Search"  and go to either the  Census records, or  SSDI records,  etc.   That is a way to weed out some of the many hits you get from the .new.  site.   Betty               (near Lowell, MA, USA)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: beedub1950 Surnames: WINSLOW Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7386/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am desperately seeking the maiden name for Ruth WINSLOW. Her dob is 7 September 1780 (as recorded in Scipio MM records). I originally assumed that she had been born in Saratoga or Washington Counties, New York because of other Society of Friends records. I recently acquired records for Ruth and Rufus WINSLOW's daughter Sibil (Sybil) - 1880 US Census - and Ruth was listed as having been born in Massachusetts. I am direct descendant of Rufus WINSLOW and he was born in Dartmouth, Bristol, Mass. I have looked at the Vital Records books from all of the communities in that county that existed in 1780 and cannot find any Ruth with that dob. Is there a way to look for a persons dob without having to look at each towns Vital Records ??? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Rootsweb has removed the Social Security Death Index from its site "due to sensitivities around the information in this database." [?] SSDI is available on ancestry.com and some free sites, but some users say that the free sites are less up to date or the search engines are not as good. SSDI is available on the NEHGS site http://www.americanancestors.org under "Popular Databases." I did a quick test with the surname Hixson and the year 2011. The NEHGS site gave five results, all with death dates in January. Ancestry.com gave many more results, with death dates as recent as November. So maybe NEHGS's SSDI is updated less often (annually?). It would be nice if the NEHGS site told users the date of its SSDI. But if that is the only difference, it should be OK for users who are not in a big hurry. I logged out of the NEHGS site and was still able to get the same five results, so apparently the SSDI is open to nonmembers. Can anyone comment on the comparative effectiveness of the NEHGS vs. ancestry.com search engine, etc.?

I would be interested in corresponding with anyone who might be searching for genealogy on the Kenelm WINSLOW (1599) line, the present day. I participated in the DNA project and have been confirmed as a direct descendant. My line is: Job, Richard, Edward, Weston, Rufus, Isaac, Hicks, Arthur. thanks Bruce A. Winslow

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: grignaffini Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7383.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks, that has given me a bit more to go on, if only John Callahan were not such a common name! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: carol santos Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7383.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Found three of the childrens birth in Merrimac. First two only said thet he was born in Ireland. Got lucky with James, record says John was born in Queenslann? hard to read John Henry b 28 July 1881 Ellen b 19 January 1877 James Daniel B 13 June 1889 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: beedub1950 Surnames: unknown Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7385/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for Ruth, last name unknown, dob 7 September 1780. In 1880 US Census, Ruth's daughter Sibil (Sybil) KIRBY states that her mother and father were born in Massachusetts. I have the fathers birthplace, etc. Have looked through many Vital Records books for towns in Bristol County since that is where the father (Rufus WINSLOW) was born. Society of Friends (Quakers) records indicate that Ruth was in the Easton/Saratoga New York area, but cannot find any info on a Ruth with the above dob. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

>From: "R.M.Whelton" <[email protected]> > >Carol, you might also try the Boston Public Library. Their >collection is extensive. > >Good luck. >Robin Yes, thank you. The BPL does have it. I checked the Minuteman library system, which includes Cambridge and Brookline, but I remembered only later that it does not include the BPL. Fortunately the BPL has its catalog on line, and accepts Minuteman library cards if we get them "blessed" at the main desk.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sylvari Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.massachusetts.unknown/7384/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am hoping someone here can point me in the right direction. I am looking for my father (who is not listed on my birth certificate) All I have is his first name and the fact that he worked for the Holyoke Street Railway company in the year I was born- 1966. Any idea on where to look from here? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.