On 27/06/2005 5:56 AM, Jim McCormick wrote: > I am trying to locate information about my g-uncle who participated in the rebellion (1916 - 1921). He was an active member of the IRA and was incarcerated by the British forces during that period. < I found my patriots names [McGinley] in the book "Frongoch, University of Revolution" by Sean O Mahony [first published 1987 by FDR Teoranta]. It is a very interesting book and it lists those [1,804] who were imprisoned in Frongoch. It is taken from the Camp Register maintained by the General Council. It is stated that the author would have liked to have had sight of the British Register but that he could find no such record in the Public Record Office in London [now the National Archives]. I can see no McCormack from Cavan in these lists; but there are two who give Dublin addresses There are also lists of names of those "prisoners deported and released" in 1916 in the book "1916 Rebellion Handbook" reprinted in 1998 by the Mourne River Press. There are several McCormacks in these lists. I have assumed that the name you were looking for was McCormick, as I missed the original posting. Hope this helps, Helenor

Hownhelcymru@aol.com wrote: > > > On 27/06/2005 5:56 AM, Jim McCormick wrote: > > I am trying to locate information about my g-uncle who participated in the > rebellion (1916 - 1921). He was an active member of the IRA and was > incarcerated by the British forces during that period. < > > I found my patriots names [McGinley] in the book "Frongoch, University of > Revolution" by Sean O Mahony [first published 1987 by FDR Teoranta]. It is a > very interesting book and it lists those [1,804] who were imprisoned in > Frongoch. It is taken from the Camp Register maintained by the General Council. It > is stated that the author would have liked to have had sight of the British > Register but that he could find no such record in the Public Record Office in > London [now the National Archives]. I can see no McCormack from Cavan in these > lists; but there are two who give Dublin addresses > > There are also lists of names of those "prisoners deported and released" in > 1916 in the book "1916 Rebellion Handbook" reprinted in 1998 by the Mourne > River Press. There are several McCormacks in these lists. > > I have assumed that the name you were looking for was McCormick, as I missed > the original posting. Hope this helps, > > Helenor > > Dear Helenor, If you have the time/inclination and still have access to the books you mention, I would be very grateful of you could lookup a great-uncle of mine, who was deported/interned in 1916. He was Peter Smyth (Smith) of Enniscorthy Co Wexford. We would love to obtain some details of where/when he was interned, etc. Best regards, Edward Doyle

Dear Don, I don't know which country you live in, but in the U.S. our Declaration of Independence is the same as the Irish Proclamation made by Padraig Pearse on the steps of the GPO at Easter 1916. Those who fought the British to gain our independence in the U.S. are our patriots. I'm sure if the term "terrorist" was in vogue in the 1770s our patriots would have been labeled "terrorists" by the British government. In 1918 the Irish people overwhelming (over 70 % voted for Sinn Fein candidates) elected an independent parliament - Dail Eireann. These elections gave Dail Eireann the authority to set up a government. All the necessary ministries were set up to run the government, including a court system which during this time period (1919-1921) took the place of the one set up by the English government. Countess Constance Markievicz headed the Arbitration Court System. Included in the ministries was the Prime Minister (President) and the various departments including Department ! of Defense. The defense of the Irish government was the responsibility of the Irish Volunteers which became known as the Irish Republican Army - the army of the Irish Republic. Although Woodrow Wilson espoused "self determination" and the U.S. House of Representatives in a resolution overhwhelming instructed Wilson to recognize Ireland as an independent state, England's control was too powerful and the the leading world powers ignored Ireland's plight. The Irish leaders were constantly being imprisoned. Dublin Castle (the seat of the British government in Ireland) formed the Cairo Gang, an assassination squad to eliminate the Sinn Fein leaders. Michael Collins beat Dublin Castle at its own game and developed an intelligence network that finally surpassed Dublin Castle's spy network. The many Irish who fought throughout the centuries for Irish freedom and democracy, to overthrow tyranny, are most definitely patriots, no less than George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Paul Revere, Benjamin Franklin and so many others are to Americans. Siochain agus Beannachtai (Peace and Blessings) Margaret (Máiread)

On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:39:39 +0000 (UTC), Hownhelcymru@aol.com wrote: > > > >On 27/06/2005 5:56 AM, Jim McCormick wrote: >> I am trying to locate information about my g-uncle who participated in the >rebellion (1916 - 1921). He was an active member of the IRA and was >incarcerated by the British forces during that period. < > >I found my patriots names [McGinley] in the book "Frongoch, University of >Revolution" by Sean O Mahony [first published 1987 by FDR Teoranta]. It is a >very interesting book and it lists those [1,804] who were imprisoned in >Frongoch. It is taken from the Camp Register maintained by the General Council. It >is stated that the author would have liked to have had sight of the British >Register but that he could find no such record in the Public Record Office in >London [now the National Archives]. I can see no McCormack from Cavan in these >lists; but there are two who give Dublin addresses > >There are also lists of names of those "prisoners deported and released" in >1916 in the book "1916 Rebellion Handbook" reprinted in 1998 by the Mourne >River Press. There are several McCormacks in these lists. > >I have assumed that the name you were looking for was McCormick, as I missed >the original posting. Hope this helps, > >Helenor > > > Call me picky, but I always understood patriots to be people who loved their country, and worked politically for its betterment. I believe the term for people who resort to bombing is terrorists.

Don Carter is wrong to class the 1916-1921 Nationalists as "terrorists". The Nationalist movement in this period involved the majority of the Irish population, whether they simply voted for Sinn Fein, attended political meetings, served with an IRA brigade, or were part of a unit involved with ambushes and booby trap bombs. Do we really want to class some of our ancestors as "terrorists" and some as "patriots"? Of course there were unjustified atrocities by both sides in Ireland in 1916-1921 - as there also were in France, Belgium etc. in 1914-1918. The majority of users of this group have some ancestors who served in one way or another the Irish Nationalist cause in 1916-1921, and also ancestors who fought in the WWI trenches for Britain.Certainly I have several ancestors on both sides. Genealogy/family history should be about finding out what our ancestors did, not categorising them as heroes or villains. > Call me picky, but I always understood patriots to be people who > loved their country, and worked politically for its betterment. I > believe the term for people who resort to bombing is terrorists. >