The Chief <[email protected]> wrote: : On Aug 30, 11:15?am, Dennis Ahern <[email protected]> wrote: :> The Chief <[email protected]> wrote: :> :> : On Aug 29, 9:00?pm, "Stacy" <[email protected]> wrote: :> :> If someone came to US via boat from Liverpool that orginated in Queenstown, :> :> Ireland....do they typically stay on ?boat or depart in Liverpool? :> :> :> :> Just wondering if I need to look harder for someone in Liverpool that was on :> :> a ship from Queenstown? :> :> :> :> Thanks, :> :> Stacy :> :> : Methinks you have this backwards: ships originated in Liverpool and :> : then called into Cove on their way to America. :> :> Not necessarily. Up until about 1860 when steam ships became more common :> on the trans-Atlantic routes, large sailing vessels did not call in at :> Queenstown due to the lack of manuverability in the Cove of Cork. It was :> common practice to take a small overnight steamer to Liverpool and seek :> passage on the next outbound immigrant vessel. Many familys frittered away :> their savings while waiting in dockside accomodations and ended up :> settling in Liverpool. Unfortunately, it is difficult to find such :> passengers as there were no records kept of passengers going from :> Queenstown to Liverpool. :> :> There were also much smaller vessels leaving from ports such as Youghal :> and Limerick, not to mention the timber vessels offloading along the coast :> of West Cork who would take passengers on the way back to Canadian ports. :> The fares were rock bottom and you had to bring your own food, but for the :> owners of the vessels it was cheaper to provide almost free berthing :> space than to pay to have stone ballast taken on board. :> :> -dja : Dennis, : If you are simply saying that people commonly took ship from : Ireland to England, particularly Liverpool, and thence on to America, : then of course you are correct. However, this is not what the original : query asked about, which was taking a single ship from Cove to : Liverpool, and thence on to America on the same ship: : "someone came to US via boat ..... that orginated in Queenstown...?" : Regards, : The Chief Ships returning from America stopped in Queenstown to drop off passengers. In fact, Eneclann sells a CD with lists of male passengers returning to Ireland this way in the 1850s and 60s. It was part of a government effort to catch returning Fenians. In such a case, it is possible someone could have boarded in Queenstown and sailed to Liverpool then continued on the same vessel on a return trip to America. Of course, this is an unlikely scenario as it would make more sense to wait for a ship heading West from Queenstown. Passenger lists often have the designation "L/pool/Qtown" given as the port of embarkation, but this should be interpreted as a ship originating in Liverpool and stopping to pick up passengers in Queenstown. By the way, the evolution of the port name is Cove->Queenstown->Cobh. It was renamed from Cove (shortened from Cove of Cork) to Queenstown in honor of a visit by Queen Victoria during the Famine, I forget exactly which year, but probably around 1846. After Ireland was divided into the Irish Free State and Northern Ireland in (1920? 1022?) Queenstown reverted to the Gaelic spelling of the original name, Cobh. Kingstown was changed to Dun Laoghaire, and Kingwilliamstown in Co. Cork was renamed Ballydesmond. -dja