Theresa Green <[email protected]> wrote: : I suppose it depends on your view... I read patriarch as "founder" and : that's how he's mentioned on lots of websites, but I can see why others : wouldn't use that term. I read patriarch as meaning the male head of a multi-generation family. Given that Collins never married or had children, it does not seem to be the most appropriate title. Patriot, yes. Patriarch, no. -dja