I would be interested in reading this edition of the Gazette. May I have the website address. Thanks, Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <genire-request@rootsweb.com> To: <genire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:00 AM Subject: GENIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 280 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009) (Michael Merrigan) > 2. Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009) (Graham Milne) > 3. New files in IGP for October (Christina Finn Hunt) > 4. Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009) (Graham Milne) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:25:01 -0800 (PST) > From: Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secretary@familyhistory.ie> > Subject: Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009) > To: genire@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <667fe672-3484-4851-8468-ae5bd6435a7e@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Nov 13, 5:32 am, Greg <scoti...@comcast.net> wrote: >> On 10 Nov, 01:15, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > A Chairde, >> >> > The November 2009 issue of 'Ireland's Genealogical Gazette' the >> > monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland is available >> > to view by clicking on the following >> > link:-http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15547176/ >> >> > Featured in this issue: >> >> > + The Last Chief Herald of Ireland? >> > + Honorary Herald Appointed >> > + Early Gaelic Sources & Literature (www.fourcourtspress.ie) >> > + Population Decline or 'Ethnic Cleansing'? >> > + GSI Website & Archival Services >> > + A Fitting Tribute >> > + James Scannell Reports... >> > +++ Vanishing Names >> > +++ Dublin's Viking Wall >> > +++ National Library Book >> > +++ Death of Werner Heubeck >> > + Sources (launch ofhttp://sources.nli.ie) >> > + GSI Lectures & News >> > + Presidential Inauguration >> > + Annual Review of the Membership Packages >> > + Diary Dates >> > + Celebrating Nineteen Years (2) >> > + Arms & Emblems Register >> > + Guild of One-Name Studies >> > + GSI Journal >> >> > Regards, >> >> > Michael Merrigan >> > General Secretary >> > Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie >> >> I found the article "The Last Chief Herald of Ireland?" to be >> something of an unfortunate lid being placed on the OCHI. If, as you >> have said Michael, Ireland has an old respect for heraldry, it just >> doesn't seem right then that the country would have allowed this and >> would have done something long ago to protect the office. Arms are >> indeed a money making venture for the country / the National Library >> and it has a lot to do with Irish pride (I would think) and genealogy. >> >> Scotland is undergoing hard times these days as well . . . >> >> I really hate to see it going this way. Like the article however, I >> think that if things keep up, the OCHI will cease to exist. > > > Greg, a Chara, > > The Genealogical Society of Ireland has been endeavouring to highlight > the absolute necessity for legislative reform of the State's delivery > of heraldic services since 2000 and indeed, published the 'heads of a > bill' to achieve such in 2002. This culminated in the publication of > the Genealogy & Heraldry Bill, 2006. > > Unfortunately, the 'office' of the Chief Herald of Ireland and certain > vested interests were totally opposed to the Bill and viewed its > proposed structures and regulatory regime as unnecessary. In their > view, and that of their supporters in Ireland and abroard, the status > quo was to be defended irrespective of the difficulties encountered by > the 'office' of the Chief Herald during the last two decades of the > 20th century. > > One simple aspect of the Bill would have ensured the appointment of a > Deputy Chief Herald to undertake the duties and powers of the Chief > Herald of Ireland in his/her absence or in the current circumstances. > This would have allowed for a continuance of the delivery of heraldic > services and provided heraldry with a secure future as an important > part of the cultural heritage of our Republic. > > Currently Senator Alex White's 'National Cultural Institutions > (Amendment) Bill, 2008' is on the Order Paper of Seanad ?ireann (Irish > Senate), however, stated government policy on the amalgamation of the > National Library, National Archives and the Irish Manuscript > Commission will allow the Minister to place any resolution of the > 'heraldic mess' on the very, very long finger indeed. > > It is unfortunate that the very people who sought to defend the status > quo at all costs may have actually achieved just that with the > possible demise of the State's heraldic services. This, no doubt, > gives rise to many questions. > > Regards, > > Michael Merrigan > General Secretary > Genealogical Society of Ireland > www.familyhistory.ie > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:57:15 -0800 (PST) > From: Graham Milne <grahammilne001@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009) > To: genire@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <39f9135e-8482-4f0b-9f2b-fda27ccb3921@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 13 Nov, 10:25, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> > wrote: >> On Nov 13, 5:32 am, Greg <scoti...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 10 Nov, 01:15, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> >> > wrote: >> >> > > A Chairde, >> >> > > The November 2009 issue of 'Ireland's Genealogical Gazette' the >> > > monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland is >> > > available >> > > to view by clicking on the following >> > > link:-http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15547176/ >> >> > > Featured in this issue: >> >> > > + The Last Chief Herald of Ireland? >> > > + Honorary Herald Appointed >> > > + Early Gaelic Sources & Literature ?(www.fourcourtspress.ie) >> > > + Population Decline or 'Ethnic Cleansing'? >> > > + GSI Website & Archival Services >> > > + A Fitting Tribute >> > > + James Scannell Reports... >> > > +++ Vanishing Names >> > > +++ Dublin's Viking Wall >> > > +++ National Library Book >> > > +++ Death of Werner Heubeck >> > > + Sources (launch ofhttp://sources.nli.ie) >> > > + GSI Lectures & News >> > > + Presidential Inauguration >> > > + Annual Review of the Membership Packages >> > > + Diary Dates >> > > + Celebrating Nineteen Years (2) >> > > + Arms & Emblems Register >> > > + Guild of One-Name Studies >> > > + GSI Journal >> >> > > Regards, >> >> > > Michael Merrigan >> > > General Secretary >> > > Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie >> >> > I found the article "The Last Chief Herald of Ireland?" to be >> > something of an unfortunate lid being placed on the OCHI. ?If, as you >> > have said Michael, Ireland has an old respect for heraldry, it just >> > doesn't seem right then that the country would have allowed this and >> > would have done something long ago to protect the office. ?Arms are >> > indeed a money making venture for the country / the National Library >> > and it has a lot to do with Irish pride (I would think) and genealogy. >> >> > Scotland is undergoing hard times these days as well . . . >> >> > I really hate to see it going this way. ?Like the article however, I >> > think that if things keep up, the OCHI will cease to exist. >> >> Greg, a Chara, >> >> The Genealogical Society of Ireland has been endeavouring to highlight >> the absolute necessity for legislative reform of the State's delivery >> of heraldic services since 2000 and indeed, published the 'heads of a >> bill' to achieve such in 2002. ?This culminated in the publication of >> the Genealogy & Heraldry Bill, 2006. >> >> Unfortunately, the 'office' of the Chief Herald of Ireland and certain >> vested interests were totally opposed to the Bill and viewed its >> proposed structures and regulatory regime as unnecessary. In their >> view, and that of their supporters in Ireland and abroard, the status >> quo was to be defended irrespective of the difficulties encountered by >> the 'office' of the Chief Herald during the last two decades of the >> 20th century. >> >> One simple aspect of the Bill would have ensured the appointment of a >> Deputy Chief Herald to undertake the duties and powers of the Chief >> Herald of Ireland in his/her absence or in the current circumstances. >> This would have allowed for a continuance of the delivery of heraldic >> services and provided heraldry with a secure future as an important >> part of the cultural heritage of our Republic. >> >> Currently Senator Alex White's 'National Cultural Institutions >> (Amendment) Bill, 2008' is on the Order Paper of Seanad ?ireann (Irish >> Senate), however, stated government policy on the amalgamation of the >> National Library, National Archives and the Irish Manuscript >> Commission will allow the Minister to place any resolution of the >> 'heraldic mess' on the very, very long finger indeed. >> >> It is unfortunate that the very people who sought to defend the status >> quo at all costs may have actually achieved just that with the >> possible demise of the State's heraldic services. ?This, no doubt, >> gives rise to many questions. >> >> Regards, >> >> Michael Merrigan >> General Secretary >> Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > But I notice that the Genealogical Society of Ireland has appointed a > herald and is setting up a register of arms. I think you must step > into the breach. Well done. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:23:19 -0500 > From: Christina Finn Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> > Subject: New files in IGP for October > To: SHAMROCK@rootsweb.com, ireland@rootsweb.com, GENIRE@rootsweb.com, > IRISH-IN-CHICAGO@rootsweb.com, IRISH-MI-L@rootsweb.com, > IRISH-IN-PHILADELPHIA@rootsweb.com, IRISH-IN-UK@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <856f07760911130723k2f0b55b0h1be9052acf73ea3f@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I am a bit late with this. Our site was down due to an electrical > outage so I couldn't compile any updates. > I have skipped the small files like single obits and vital records to > keep the list shorter. > To view any of the items below go to: > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ > Then click on the County and Subject Heading. Or use the search > engine. Subject Headings are in Caps. > > Armagh Genealogy Archives > CENSUS SUBSTITUTES > -Landowners 1870's > PHOTOS > -People, Church, Bible > > Cork Genealogy Archives > CHURCH > Update-Info on various surnames from area around Skibbereen, SW County > Cork > > Down Genealogy Archives > CENSUS SUBSTITUTES > -Landowners 1870's > > Dublin Genealogy Archives > LAND > -Canceled Valuation Books, Royal Canal Bank, Arrans Quay ca. 1917-1919 > -Canceled Valuation Books, Royse Road, Arran Quay ca. 1917-1919 > -Canceled Valuation Books, Phibsborough Road (pt1&2), Arrans Quay ca. > 1917-1919 > HEADSTONES > -Update - Deansgrange Cemetery, St. Mogue's Part 1 > PHOTOS > -Assorted photos of churches > > Fermanagh Genealogy Archives > PHOTOS > -Church Photos > > Kerry Genealogy Archives > PHOTOS > -Church > > Kildare Genealogy Archives > PHOTOS > -Church Photos > > Laois (Queens) > NEWS > LAOIS, Freeman's Journal 16 July 1860 > LAOIS, Sep 25 1887, The Times > LAOIS, Dublin Journal, 12 Oct 1745 > > Leitrim Genealogy Archives > PHOTOS > -Churches, People, Cemetery > > Limerick Ireland Genealogy Archives > PHOTOS > -Church Photos > HEADSTONES > -Pallasgreen Graveyard - Old Pallas Cemetery (part) > > Louth Genealogy Archives > CENSUS SUBSTITUTES > -Landowners 1870's > > Mayo Genealogy Archives > PHOTOS > Assorted Church photos > > Monaghan Genealogy Archives > HEADSTONES > -St Salvatore's, Donagh > PHOTOS > -Church Photos > MILITARY & CONSTABULARY > Royal Irish Constabulary native county of Monaghan Sep 1852-May 1853 > > Offaly (Kings) Genealogy Archives > CEMETERIES > -Eglish - Partial Survey > > Roscommon Genealogy Archives > CENSUS SUBSTITUTES SUBSTITUTES > -Landowners 1870's > > Sligo > PHOTOS > -Church > > Tipperary Genealogy Archives > OBITUARIES > -Assorted obits > PHOTOS > -Church > > Waterford > PHOTOS > Church photo > > Wexford Genealogy Archives > PHOTOS > -Churches > HEADSTONES > Anglican Church, Inch, Wexford > -St. James Horetown, Wexford > > Wicklow Genealogy Archives > PHOTOS > -Churches > HEADSTONES > -Update, Glenealy Parish Church Cemetery > -St. Patrick's Church, Enniskerry - Part 4 > -Update, Kilcoole, Co.Wicklow > > If I have missed anything I apologize. > Christina > *We are glad to have your submissions of information and photos. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:20:41 -0800 (PST) > From: Graham Milne <grahammilne001@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009) > To: genire@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <9497ad34-4203-41cc-963a-4063f38da452@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 13 Nov, 12:57, Graham Milne <grahammilne...@btinternet.com> wrote: >> On 13 Nov, 10:25, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Nov 13, 5:32 am, Greg <scoti...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> > > On 10 Nov, 01:15, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > > A Chairde, >> >> > > > The November 2009 issue of 'Ireland's Genealogical Gazette' the >> > > > monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland is >> > > > available >> > > > to view by clicking on the following >> > > > link:-http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15547176/ >> >> > > > Featured in this issue: >> >> > > > + The Last Chief Herald of Ireland? >> > > > + Honorary Herald Appointed >> > > > + Early Gaelic Sources & Literature ?(www.fourcourtspress.ie) >> > > > + Population Decline or 'Ethnic Cleansing'? >> > > > + GSI Website & Archival Services >> > > > + A Fitting Tribute >> > > > + James Scannell Reports... >> > > > +++ Vanishing Names >> > > > +++ Dublin's Viking Wall >> > > > +++ National Library Book >> > > > +++ Death of Werner Heubeck >> > > > + Sources (launch ofhttp://sources.nli.ie) >> > > > + GSI Lectures & News >> > > > + Presidential Inauguration >> > > > + Annual Review of the Membership Packages >> > > > + Diary Dates >> > > > + Celebrating Nineteen Years (2) >> > > > + Arms & Emblems Register >> > > > + Guild of One-Name Studies >> > > > + GSI Journal >> >> > > > Regards, >> >> > > > Michael Merrigan >> > > > General Secretary >> > > > Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie >> >> > > I found the article "The Last Chief Herald of Ireland?" to be >> > > something of an unfortunate lid being placed on the OCHI. ?If, as you >> > > have said Michael, Ireland has an old respect for heraldry, it just >> > > doesn't seem right then that the country would have allowed this and >> > > would have done something long ago to protect the office. ?Arms are >> > > indeed a money making venture for the country / the National Library >> > > and it has a lot to do with Irish pride (I would think) and >> > > genealogy. >> >> > > Scotland is undergoing hard times these days as well . . . >> >> > > I really hate to see it going this way. ?Like the article however, I >> > > think that if things keep up, the OCHI will cease to exist. >> >> > Greg, a Chara, >> >> > The Genealogical Society of Ireland has been endeavouring to highlight >> > the absolute necessity for legislative reform of the State's delivery >> > of heraldic services since 2000 and indeed, published the 'heads of a >> > bill' to achieve such in 2002. ?This culminated in the publication of >> > the Genealogy & Heraldry Bill, 2006. >> >> > Unfortunately, the 'office' of the Chief Herald of Ireland and certain >> > vested interests were totally opposed to the Bill and viewed its >> > proposed structures and regulatory regime as unnecessary. In their >> > view, and that of their supporters in Ireland and abroard, the status >> > quo was to be defended irrespective of the difficulties encountered by >> > the 'office' of the Chief Herald during the last two decades of the >> > 20th century. >> >> > One simple aspect of the Bill would have ensured the appointment of a >> > Deputy Chief Herald to undertake the duties and powers of the Chief >> > Herald of Ireland in his/her absence or in the current circumstances. >> > This would have allowed for a continuance of the delivery of heraldic >> > services and provided heraldry with a secure future as an important >> > part of the cultural heritage of our Republic. >> >> > Currently Senator Alex White's 'National Cultural Institutions >> > (Amendment) Bill, 2008' is on the Order Paper of Seanad ?ireann (Irish >> > Senate), however, stated government policy on the amalgamation of the >> > National Library, National Archives and the Irish Manuscript >> > Commission will allow the Minister to place any resolution of the >> > 'heraldic mess' on the very, very long finger indeed. >> >> > It is unfortunate that the very people who sought to defend the status >> > quo at all costs may have actually achieved just that with the >> > possible demise of the State's heraldic services. ?This, no doubt, >> > gives rise to many questions. >> >> > Regards, >> >> > Michael Merrigan >> > General Secretary >> > Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie-Hide quoted text - >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> But I notice that the Genealogical Society of Ireland has appointed a >> herald and is setting up a register of arms. I think you must step >> into the breach. Well done.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > PS Get all the authentic Irish chiefs/nobs to support you and that > will give it sufficient authority. The ancient Irish earls undoubtedly > had the right to grant arms and to create barons and knights. Why not > get it going again? That would be great fun! Who would be best > qualified to do this? Duke of Leinster? Stuff the bolshy plebs in your > parliament I say! > > PPS The Countess of Sutherland created a baron not that long ago > (1990s) so if she can do it I am sure some Irish nobs can! > > > End of GENIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 280 > **************************************