This was in Message 4 below: > The November 2009 issue of 'Ireland's Genealogical Gazette' the > monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland is available > to view by clicking on the following > link:-http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15547176/ Janet Truncali wrote: > I would be interested in reading this edition of the Gazette. > May I have the website address. > Thanks, > Janet > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <genire-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <genire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:00 AM > Subject: GENIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 280 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009) (Michael Merrigan) >> 2. Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009) (Graham Milne) >> 3. New files in IGP for October (Christina Finn Hunt) >> 4. Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009) (Graham Milne) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:25:01 -0800 (PST) >> From: Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secretary@familyhistory.ie> >> Subject: Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009) >> To: genire@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <667fe672-3484-4851-8468-ae5bd6435a7e@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On Nov 13, 5:32 am, Greg <scoti...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> On 10 Nov, 01:15, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> > A Chairde, >>> >>> > The November 2009 issue of 'Ireland's Genealogical Gazette' the >>> > monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland is available >>> > to view by clicking on the following > >>> link:-http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15547176/ >>> >>> > Featured in this issue: >>> >>> > + The Last Chief Herald of Ireland? >>> > + Honorary Herald Appointed >>> > + Early Gaelic Sources & Literature (www.fourcourtspress.ie) >>> > + Population Decline or 'Ethnic Cleansing'? >>> > + GSI Website & Archival Services >>> > + A Fitting Tribute >>> > + James Scannell Reports... >>> > +++ Vanishing Names >>> > +++ Dublin's Viking Wall >>> > +++ National Library Book >>> > +++ Death of Werner Heubeck >>> > + Sources (launch ofhttp://sources.nli.ie) >>> > + GSI Lectures & News >>> > + Presidential Inauguration >>> > + Annual Review of the Membership Packages >>> > + Diary Dates >>> > + Celebrating Nineteen Years (2) >>> > + Arms & Emblems Register >>> > + Guild of One-Name Studies >>> > + GSI Journal >>> >>> > Regards, >>> >>> > Michael Merrigan >>> > General Secretary >>> > Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie >>> >>> I found the article "The Last Chief Herald of Ireland?" to be >>> something of an unfortunate lid being placed on the OCHI. If, as you >>> have said Michael, Ireland has an old respect for heraldry, it just >>> doesn't seem right then that the country would have allowed this and >>> would have done something long ago to protect the office. Arms are >>> indeed a money making venture for the country / the National Library >>> and it has a lot to do with Irish pride (I would think) and genealogy. >>> >>> Scotland is undergoing hard times these days as well . . . >>> >>> I really hate to see it going this way. Like the article however, I >>> think that if things keep up, the OCHI will cease to exist. >> >> >> Greg, a Chara, >> >> The Genealogical Society of Ireland has been endeavouring to highlight >> the absolute necessity for legislative reform of the State's delivery >> of heraldic services since 2000 and indeed, published the 'heads of a >> bill' to achieve such in 2002. This culminated in the publication of >> the Genealogy & Heraldry Bill, 2006. >> >> Unfortunately, the 'office' of the Chief Herald of Ireland and certain >> vested interests were totally opposed to the Bill and viewed its >> proposed structures and regulatory regime as unnecessary. In their >> view, and that of their supporters in Ireland and abroard, the status >> quo was to be defended irrespective of the difficulties encountered by >> the 'office' of the Chief Herald during the last two decades of the >> 20th century. >> >> One simple aspect of the Bill would have ensured the appointment of a >> Deputy Chief Herald to undertake the duties and powers of the Chief >> Herald of Ireland in his/her absence or in the current circumstances. >> This would have allowed for a continuance of the delivery of heraldic >> services and provided heraldry with a secure future as an important >> part of the cultural heritage of our Republic. >> >> Currently Senator Alex White's 'National Cultural Institutions >> (Amendment) Bill, 2008' is on the Order Paper of Seanad ?ireann (Irish >> Senate), however, stated government policy on the amalgamation of the >> National Library, National Archives and the Irish Manuscript >> Commission will allow the Minister to place any resolution of the >> 'heraldic mess' on the very, very long finger indeed. >> >> It is unfortunate that the very people who sought to defend the status >> quo at all costs may have actually achieved just that with the >> possible demise of the State's heraldic services. This, no doubt, >> gives rise to many questions. >> >> Regards, >> >> Michael Merrigan >> General Secretary >> Genealogical Society of Ireland >> www.familyhistory.ie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:57:15 -0800 (PST) >> From: Graham Milne <grahammilne001@btinternet.com> >> Subject: Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009) >> To: genire@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <39f9135e-8482-4f0b-9f2b-fda27ccb3921@w19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On 13 Nov, 10:25, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> >> wrote: >>> On Nov 13, 5:32 am, Greg <scoti...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > On 10 Nov, 01:15, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> > > A Chairde, >>> >>> > > The November 2009 issue of 'Ireland's Genealogical Gazette' the >>> > > monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland is > > >>> available >>> > > to view by clicking on the following > > >>> link:-http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15547176/ >>> >>> > > Featured in this issue: >>> >>> > > + The Last Chief Herald of Ireland? >>> > > + Honorary Herald Appointed >>> > > + Early Gaelic Sources & Literature ?(www.fourcourtspress.ie) >>> > > + Population Decline or 'Ethnic Cleansing'? >>> > > + GSI Website & Archival Services >>> > > + A Fitting Tribute >>> > > + James Scannell Reports... >>> > > +++ Vanishing Names >>> > > +++ Dublin's Viking Wall >>> > > +++ National Library Book >>> > > +++ Death of Werner Heubeck >>> > > + Sources (launch ofhttp://sources.nli.ie) >>> > > + GSI Lectures & News >>> > > + Presidential Inauguration >>> > > + Annual Review of the Membership Packages >>> > > + Diary Dates >>> > > + Celebrating Nineteen Years (2) >>> > > + Arms & Emblems Register >>> > > + Guild of One-Name Studies >>> > > + GSI Journal >>> >>> > > Regards, >>> >>> > > Michael Merrigan >>> > > General Secretary >>> > > Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie >>> >>> > I found the article "The Last Chief Herald of Ireland?" to be >>> > something of an unfortunate lid being placed on the OCHI. ?If, as you >>> > have said Michael, Ireland has an old respect for heraldry, it just >>> > doesn't seem right then that the country would have allowed this and >>> > would have done something long ago to protect the office. ?Arms are >>> > indeed a money making venture for the country / the National Library >>> > and it has a lot to do with Irish pride (I would think) and genealogy. >>> >>> > Scotland is undergoing hard times these days as well . . . >>> >>> > I really hate to see it going this way. ?Like the article however, I >>> > think that if things keep up, the OCHI will cease to exist. >>> >>> Greg, a Chara, >>> >>> The Genealogical Society of Ireland has been endeavouring to highlight >>> the absolute necessity for legislative reform of the State's delivery >>> of heraldic services since 2000 and indeed, published the 'heads of a >>> bill' to achieve such in 2002. ?This culminated in the publication of >>> the Genealogy & Heraldry Bill, 2006. >>> >>> Unfortunately, the 'office' of the Chief Herald of Ireland and certain >>> vested interests were totally opposed to the Bill and viewed its >>> proposed structures and regulatory regime as unnecessary. In their >>> view, and that of their supporters in Ireland and abroard, the status >>> quo was to be defended irrespective of the difficulties encountered by >>> the 'office' of the Chief Herald during the last two decades of the >>> 20th century. >>> >>> One simple aspect of the Bill would have ensured the appointment of a >>> Deputy Chief Herald to undertake the duties and powers of the Chief >>> Herald of Ireland in his/her absence or in the current circumstances. >>> This would have allowed for a continuance of the delivery of heraldic >>> services and provided heraldry with a secure future as an important >>> part of the cultural heritage of our Republic. >>> >>> Currently Senator Alex White's 'National Cultural Institutions >>> (Amendment) Bill, 2008' is on the Order Paper of Seanad ?ireann (Irish >>> Senate), however, stated government policy on the amalgamation of the >>> National Library, National Archives and the Irish Manuscript >>> Commission will allow the Minister to place any resolution of the >>> 'heraldic mess' on the very, very long finger indeed. >>> >>> It is unfortunate that the very people who sought to defend the status >>> quo at all costs may have actually achieved just that with the >>> possible demise of the State's heraldic services. ?This, no doubt, >>> gives rise to many questions. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Michael Merrigan >>> General Secretary >>> Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> But I notice that the Genealogical Society of Ireland has appointed a >> herald and is setting up a register of arms. I think you must step >> into the breach. Well done. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:23:19 -0500 >> From: Christina Finn Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> >> Subject: New files in IGP for October >> To: SHAMROCK@rootsweb.com, ireland@rootsweb.com, GENIRE@rootsweb.com, >> IRISH-IN-CHICAGO@rootsweb.com, IRISH-MI-L@rootsweb.com, >> IRISH-IN-PHILADELPHIA@rootsweb.com, IRISH-IN-UK@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <856f07760911130723k2f0b55b0h1be9052acf73ea3f@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> I am a bit late with this. Our site was down due to an electrical >> outage so I couldn't compile any updates. >> I have skipped the small files like single obits and vital records to >> keep the list shorter. >> To view any of the items below go to: >> http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ >> Then click on the County and Subject Heading. Or use the search >> engine. Subject Headings are in Caps. >> >> Armagh Genealogy Archives >> CENSUS SUBSTITUTES >> -Landowners 1870's >> PHOTOS >> -People, Church, Bible >> >> Cork Genealogy Archives >> CHURCH >> Update-Info on various surnames from area around Skibbereen, SW County >> Cork >> >> Down Genealogy Archives >> CENSUS SUBSTITUTES >> -Landowners 1870's >> >> Dublin Genealogy Archives >> LAND >> -Canceled Valuation Books, Royal Canal Bank, Arrans Quay ca. 1917-1919 >> -Canceled Valuation Books, Royse Road, Arran Quay ca. 1917-1919 >> -Canceled Valuation Books, Phibsborough Road (pt1&2), Arrans Quay ca. >> 1917-1919 >> HEADSTONES >> -Update - Deansgrange Cemetery, St. Mogue's Part 1 >> PHOTOS >> -Assorted photos of churches >> >> Fermanagh Genealogy Archives >> PHOTOS >> -Church Photos >> >> Kerry Genealogy Archives >> PHOTOS >> -Church >> >> Kildare Genealogy Archives >> PHOTOS >> -Church Photos >> >> Laois (Queens) >> NEWS >> LAOIS, Freeman's Journal 16 July 1860 >> LAOIS, Sep 25 1887, The Times >> LAOIS, Dublin Journal, 12 Oct 1745 >> >> Leitrim Genealogy Archives >> PHOTOS >> -Churches, People, Cemetery >> >> Limerick Ireland Genealogy Archives >> PHOTOS >> -Church Photos >> HEADSTONES >> -Pallasgreen Graveyard - Old Pallas Cemetery (part) >> >> Louth Genealogy Archives >> CENSUS SUBSTITUTES >> -Landowners 1870's >> >> Mayo Genealogy Archives >> PHOTOS >> Assorted Church photos >> >> Monaghan Genealogy Archives >> HEADSTONES >> -St Salvatore's, Donagh >> PHOTOS >> -Church Photos >> MILITARY & CONSTABULARY >> Royal Irish Constabulary native county of Monaghan Sep 1852-May 1853 >> >> Offaly (Kings) Genealogy Archives >> CEMETERIES >> -Eglish - Partial Survey >> >> Roscommon Genealogy Archives >> CENSUS SUBSTITUTES SUBSTITUTES >> -Landowners 1870's >> >> Sligo >> PHOTOS >> -Church >> >> Tipperary Genealogy Archives >> OBITUARIES >> -Assorted obits >> PHOTOS >> -Church >> >> Waterford >> PHOTOS >> Church photo >> >> Wexford Genealogy Archives >> PHOTOS >> -Churches >> HEADSTONES >> Anglican Church, Inch, Wexford >> -St. James Horetown, Wexford >> >> Wicklow Genealogy Archives >> PHOTOS >> -Churches >> HEADSTONES >> -Update, Glenealy Parish Church Cemetery >> -St. Patrick's Church, Enniskerry - Part 4 >> -Update, Kilcoole, Co.Wicklow >> >> If I have missed anything I apologize. >> Christina >> *We are glad to have your submissions of information and photos. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:20:41 -0800 (PST) >> From: Graham Milne <grahammilne001@btinternet.com> >> Subject: Re: Ireland's Genealogical Gazette (Nov. 2009) >> To: genire@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <9497ad34-4203-41cc-963a-4063f38da452@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> On 13 Nov, 12:57, Graham Milne <grahammilne...@btinternet.com> wrote: >>> On 13 Nov, 10:25, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Nov 13, 5:32 am, Greg <scoti...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> > > On 10 Nov, 01:15, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> >>> > > wrote: >>> >>> > > > A Chairde, >>> >>> > > > The November 2009 issue of 'Ireland's Genealogical Gazette' the >>> > > > monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland is > >>> > > available >>> > > > to view by clicking on the following > > > >>> link:-http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15547176/ >>> >>> > > > Featured in this issue: >>> >>> > > > + The Last Chief Herald of Ireland? >>> > > > + Honorary Herald Appointed >>> > > > + Early Gaelic Sources & Literature ?(www.fourcourtspress.ie) >>> > > > + Population Decline or 'Ethnic Cleansing'? >>> > > > + GSI Website & Archival Services >>> > > > + A Fitting Tribute >>> > > > + James Scannell Reports... >>> > > > +++ Vanishing Names >>> > > > +++ Dublin's Viking Wall >>> > > > +++ National Library Book >>> > > > +++ Death of Werner Heubeck >>> > > > + Sources (launch ofhttp://sources.nli.ie) >>> > > > + GSI Lectures & News >>> > > > + Presidential Inauguration >>> > > > + Annual Review of the Membership Packages >>> > > > + Diary Dates >>> > > > + Celebrating Nineteen Years (2) >>> > > > + Arms & Emblems Register >>> > > > + Guild of One-Name Studies >>> > > > + GSI Journal >>> >>> > > > Regards, >>> >>> > > > Michael Merrigan >>> > > > General Secretary >>> > > > Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie >>> >>> > > I found the article "The Last Chief Herald of Ireland?" to be >>> > > something of an unfortunate lid being placed on the OCHI. ?If, as >>> you >>> > > have said Michael, Ireland has an old respect for heraldry, it just >>> > > doesn't seem right then that the country would have allowed this and >>> > > would have done something long ago to protect the office. ?Arms are >>> > > indeed a money making venture for the country / the National Library >>> > > and it has a lot to do with Irish pride (I would think) and > > >>> genealogy. >>> >>> > > Scotland is undergoing hard times these days as well . . . >>> >>> > > I really hate to see it going this way. ?Like the article however, I >>> > > think that if things keep up, the OCHI will cease to exist. >>> >>> > Greg, a Chara, >>> >>> > The Genealogical Society of Ireland has been endeavouring to highlight >>> > the absolute necessity for legislative reform of the State's delivery >>> > of heraldic services since 2000 and indeed, published the 'heads of a >>> > bill' to achieve such in 2002. ?This culminated in the publication of >>> > the Genealogy & Heraldry Bill, 2006. >>> >>> > Unfortunately, the 'office' of the Chief Herald of Ireland and certain >>> > vested interests were totally opposed to the Bill and viewed its >>> > proposed structures and regulatory regime as unnecessary. In their >>> > view, and that of their supporters in Ireland and abroard, the status >>> > quo was to be defended irrespective of the difficulties encountered by >>> > the 'office' of the Chief Herald during the last two decades of the >>> > 20th century. >>> >>> > One simple aspect of the Bill would have ensured the appointment of a >>> > Deputy Chief Herald to undertake the duties and powers of the Chief >>> > Herald of Ireland in his/her absence or in the current circumstances. >>> > This would have allowed for a continuance of the delivery of heraldic >>> > services and provided heraldry with a secure future as an important >>> > part of the cultural heritage of our Republic. >>> >>> > Currently Senator Alex White's 'National Cultural Institutions >>> > (Amendment) Bill, 2008' is on the Order Paper of Seanad ?ireann (Irish >>> > Senate), however, stated government policy on the amalgamation of the >>> > National Library, National Archives and the Irish Manuscript >>> > Commission will allow the Minister to place any resolution of the >>> > 'heraldic mess' on the very, very long finger indeed. >>> >>> > It is unfortunate that the very people who sought to defend the status >>> > quo at all costs may have actually achieved just that with the >>> > possible demise of the State's heraldic services. ?This, no doubt, >>> > gives rise to many questions. >>> >>> > Regards, >>> >>> > Michael Merrigan >>> > General Secretary >>> > Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie-Hide quoted text - >>> >>> > - Show quoted text - >>> >>> But I notice that the Genealogical Society of Ireland has appointed a >>> herald and is setting up a register of arms. I think you must step >>> into the breach. Well done.- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> PS Get all the authentic Irish chiefs/nobs to support you and that >> will give it sufficient authority. The ancient Irish earls undoubtedly >> had the right to grant arms and to create barons and knights. Why not >> get it going again? That would be great fun! Who would be best >> qualified to do this? Duke of Leinster? Stuff the bolshy plebs in your >> parliament I say! >> >> PPS The Countess of Sutherland created a baron not that long ago >> (1990s) so if she can do it I am sure some Irish nobs can! >> >> >> End of GENIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 280 >> ************************************** >