Hi Brad, I appreciate your response. The context is a genealogical chart done by hand. The notation occurs beside a female's name and may have something to do with the isteach business I cleared up earlier. First comes the man's name, + the spouse and the note in parenthesis. On Jan 24, 2010, at 11:18 AM, bmacliam@aol.com wrote: >>>>> > On some family history notes, a Kerryman has written something that > looks like > > Tic Na Hilte > > What would that mean? > <<<< > > Looks like it's written phonetically. Tic is probably teach > (house), but I can't imagine what Hilte could be. What is the > context of the notation? > Brad Wilson > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENIRE- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Dennis. "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> wrote in message news:hjhoqb$32m$1@pcls6.std.com... > In soc.genealogy.ireland Question Quigley <dontsendme@nomail.com> wrote: > : Is there any information on the home town of Patrick Ryan? I had a > Patrick > : Ryan in my family and he was married to a Catherine (Kate) Ryan. e was > dead > : by the 1911 census and Catherine had remarried (to a Patrick Keane) and > was > : living in Labasheeda, County Clare. > > As this was published in the Irish Times in Dublin, you may get more > detailed information from a local paper of the same period, like the Clare > Champion. The National Library in Dublin may have copies, or you could > check with the County Clare Library. You could also check the > Transportaton database at the National Archives website to see if he was > transported for his crime. If so, there may be a location given. > > -dja > > : "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> wrote in message > : news:hg2srp$t39$1@pcls4.std.com... > :> > :> From The Irish Times, 12 July 1876 -- > :> > :> COUNTY CLARE > :> Mr. Justice Keogh took his seat on the bench yesterday > :> morning at ten o'clock, and proceeded with the trial of > :> prisoners. > :> > :> Indecent Assault > :> John Sheehan was indicted for an indecent assault upon > :> Anne Ryan, at Sixmilebridge, on the 21st April last. > :> Messrs. Coffey, Q.C., and Percy Lynch, instructed by Mr. > :> Morphy [sic], Crown Solicitor, defended. > :> The prosecutrix, an elderly woman, about 50, deposed to > :> the prisoner coming into her house late on the evening in > :> question, and attempting to commit the assault complained of. > :> On cross-examination she admitted that she was a tenant to > :> the prisoner, and that he had distrained and sold all her effects > :> for rent some time before. > :> The jury brought in a verdict of "Not Guilty." > :> > :> Threatening Letter > :> Patrick Ryan, alias "Rory of the Hills," was put forward and > :> arraigned on several charges, viz., appearing in arms in a > :> proclaimed district, and stealing two pistols from Michael > :> Gaigley, on the 16th of January last, sending a threatening > :> letter to William Ahearn, on the 21st December. > :> The prisoner pleaded guilty to the first indictment and not > :> guilty to the others. He asked his lordship to provide him with > :> counsel. > :> His Lordship said he had no power to do so. > :> Mr. Coffee said they considered the threatening letter case > :> the most important, and would try him on that indictment. > :> Wm. Ahearn deposed to the prisoner coming to his house > :> on two occasions, and threatening that his comrade was to > :> meet him and give him a ball unless he gave up some land > :> which a man named Murphy held before witness. Identified > :> the letter sent him, which was couched in stereotypical > :> phrase, and headed by a coffin containing a corpse, and > :> signed "Rory of the Hills." Said his name was Pat Ryan. > :> Evidence of identity with the prisoner's handwriting was > :> given by Mr. Teak, an expert. > :> The prisoner was convicted, and sentenced to seven years' > :> penal servitude. > :> > :> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > :> Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts > :> Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com > :> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > :> > > >

Is there any information on the home town of Patrick Ryan? I had a Patrick Ryan in my family and he was married to a Catherine (Kate) Ryan. e was dead by the 1911 census and Catherine had remarried (to a Patrick Keane) and was living in Labasheeda, County Clare. doregan at verizon dot net "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> wrote in message news:hg2srp$t39$1@pcls4.std.com... > > From The Irish Times, 12 July 1876 -- > > COUNTY CLARE > Mr. Justice Keogh took his seat on the bench yesterday > morning at ten o'clock, and proceeded with the trial of > prisoners. > > Indecent Assault > John Sheehan was indicted for an indecent assault upon > Anne Ryan, at Sixmilebridge, on the 21st April last. > Messrs. Coffey, Q.C., and Percy Lynch, instructed by Mr. > Morphy [sic], Crown Solicitor, defended. > The prosecutrix, an elderly woman, about 50, deposed to > the prisoner coming into her house late on the evening in > question, and attempting to commit the assault complained of. > On cross-examination she admitted that she was a tenant to > the prisoner, and that he had distrained and sold all her effects > for rent some time before. > The jury brought in a verdict of "Not Guilty." > > Threatening Letter > Patrick Ryan, alias "Rory of the Hills," was put forward and > arraigned on several charges, viz., appearing in arms in a > proclaimed district, and stealing two pistols from Michael > Gaigley, on the 16th of January last, sending a threatening > letter to William Ahearn, on the 21st December. > The prisoner pleaded guilty to the first indictment and not > guilty to the others. He asked his lordship to provide him with > counsel. > His Lordship said he had no power to do so. > Mr. Coffee said they considered the threatening letter case > the most important, and would try him on that indictment. > Wm. Ahearn deposed to the prisoner coming to his house > on two occasions, and threatening that his comrade was to > meet him and give him a ball unless he gave up some land > which a man named Murphy held before witness. Identified > the letter sent him, which was couched in stereotypical > phrase, and headed by a coffin containing a corpse, and > signed "Rory of the Hills." Said his name was Pat Ryan. > Evidence of identity with the prisoner's handwriting was > given by Mr. Teak, an expert. > The prisoner was convicted, and sentenced to seven years' > penal servitude. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts > Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >

Hi Everyone, On some family history notes, a Kerryman has written something that looks like Tic Na Hilte What would that mean?

Names: Hunt, Langan, Probert, Spring, Thurtell, Weare. Transcribed from the 22 January 1824 edition of The Enniskillen Chronicle & Erne Packet newspaper, by permission of The British Library: (From the Belfast News-Letter.) We view the pugilistic combat betwixt Spring and Langan as naturally connected in idea with the fate of the inhuman miscreants who butchered Weare. Hunt, Thurtell, and Probert, were inveterate gamblers, and fond amateurs of the execrable art of Pugilism. Hence, step by step, they were led to a perpetration of deep and deeper crimes--till they now close their career in murder--and the avenging laws of their country either doom them to the gallows or consign them to infamy. Of all the species of gambling, that connected with Pugilism is the most detestable--for it seeks to derive profit and pleasure from the tortures inflicted by one human being on another. In the pugilistic arena, Man is hunted on Man by sordid gamesters, as bull-dog is hallooed on bull-dog by butchers' boys. The hearts of the combatants and their associates are so hardened by habitual cruelty, and their intellects so debased by their follies, that they mistake infamy for glory, and brutality for valour. Let it be remembered, that our pugilistic gladiators have no peculiar cause of quarrel with one another--they do not act under the natural impulse of passion, excited by any violence or injury which either of the parties have previously sustained from his opponent. No--they come coolly to the ring through a sordid love of money, and a base ambition to attain a dishonourable pre-eminence in a mischievous and diabolical profession. Pugilistic schools are the peculiar disgrace of England. Heretofore Ireland has been almost free from so vile a stigma. In this respect, our very peasants may look down with contempt on many of the British Nobility, as they have kept themselves free from so foul a stain.--We are therefore grieved when we see any of them descend to the level of those English Lords and Gentlemen who countenance or who engage in such combats. =========================

"Mary" <bullydog2@verizon.net> wrote in message news:mailman.527.1263954816.14600.genire@rootsweb.com... > Hi everyone. I am new to the list and looking for ideas on how to get > around not knowing the place name in Ireland to search for my family. > > The information I know: > - the name of the husband and est. birth in 1832. > - the maiden name of his wife, her fathers name and her est birth in 1832. > - the name of their son who was born in Ireland around 1854. > - I am estimating they arrived in the U.S. around 1854-1855 because a > child was born in New Jersey > 28 Aug 1856 > > I've collected a lot of information on this family after their arrival in > the U.S., but "Ireland" is always listed as place information. > > Luckily, I think I have enough information to identify them in Ireland if > I can ever locate them, but where do I start? > > HELP!!!! - Thanks - Mary How I feel for you. Every time I see "Ireland" on a cert., I too automatically think "Help!". I really can't suggest anything useful except that, if they have a somewhat unusual surname, there is a program around which can (sometimes) narrow down the incidence of occurance of that surname to one or more particular Counties - still not a lot of help without a townland name. I can't recall what it's called but perhaps someone else will be able to remember. Have you checked their Headstones as that is the only place which gave me a townland and County name for one of my ancestors. Were there any obits for them in the papers that might have given a place of origin? Good luck with the hunt.

"John Carey" wrote Hi Ed and Veronica, Thanks for the prompt replies. The TRACEYs/CAREYs that I am researching are shown in the Griffiths Valuation as living in Ballynough, just a few miles east of Shanballyanagh/Couraganeen. I do not have direct evidence that they are "mine" but the circumstantial evidence is very strong. Mine emigrated to Niagara County, NY in 1863. The KILMARTIN reference may mean that there is more than a "neighbors" connection. Are either of you tracing/in contact with any SHEEDYs in County Tipperary? ------------------------------------------------------ I know a Sheedy who lives just outside Roscrea, on the Templemore side. Can I be of assistance? Caroline, in Co. Tipperary

Names: Bruce, Robinson, Stokes. Transcribed from the Daily Southern Cross [Auckland, New Zealand] newspaper, Vol. XXII, Issue 2662, page 9: Marriages. [...] On January 4, at the residence of the bridegroom, by the Rev. D. Bruce, of St. Andrew's Church[,] Auckland[,] James Stokes, Esq, to Emma Jane Robinson, youngest daughter of George Robinson, Esq., county Mayo, Ireland. ==============================

Dora Smith wrote: > I suggest the Y-Irl list at Yahoogroups; this list isn't very active, > and frankly, the Irish groups at Rootsweb aren't generally all that > helpful. > > You may be able to locate the child's birth here: > http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=collectionDetails;t=searchable%20for%20births%20&%20marriages That is for births from 1864 onwards. Mary's family were already in New Jersey by 1856. (Earlier births are computed from age at death in Ireland.) > You have to create a shortcut, and click on it over again every time you > search, or you'll get results for the entire planet. For some years > you may be able to get films of the birth record from LDS; for most > years you can get only a film of the index, giving you info you already > have. > > If you go here you can order a copy of the birth record. > http://www.groireland.ie/ Tehre's a fax form you can use for fastest > results, and I got the record I requested pretty quickly, in two or > three weeks or something. > > I suggest you also look for the parents' marriage, and get that record. This is Mary's problem. She doesn't know where. And the above site is for after the period she is interested in. > Either the child's birth record or the parents' marriage record may > provide more info, such as the names of parents, the occupation of the > groom. As well as where they married. > > What was their name, and what religious denomination were they? > > And do you know what his occupation was? > > What resources did they bring with them, and were they working or middle > class, even middle class and not very successful? > > Always get all the records on both husband and wife. All immigration > records, all records assocaited with their deaths, and any documentation > that was filled out for any reason, such as draft registration, maybe if > they went back to Ireland for any reason and had to fill out forms for > that. You never know what's going to drop clues. And in many > locations, the death certificates would name their parents. > > At Ancestry.com you can search for the ship's record; those records > expand constantly. This can be useful. The New York Times archives can be of use to some people. People appeared in the news for all sorts of reasons and sometimes, their birthplaces in the home country are given. The advanced search gives an option to search the NYT from as far back as 1851, the year many Irish emigrated to the US. If you put the chosen name "Patrick Murphy" in quotes, for example, it helps to whittle down the numbers. http://query.nytimes.com/search/query?srchst=nyt&&srcht=a&srchr=n

Hi Mary How I sympathise with you! I had the same problem myself and almost gave up after several years of going nowhere. However, I don't suggest you do that as there is always hope! After I'd exhausted my efforts with my "direct" maternal Irish line of ancestry, I began work on the siblings in the family. Not too long afterwards, by looking at census information, I found that one of these siblings had joined the Royal Navy in 1861. Very fortunately for me, he had put his place of birth as Greystones, Wicklow, which gave me a place to work on. To-date, I've not got much further as yet again, I can't seem to find any mention of him or his family in Greystones and I too am not quite sure where to look next. More and more information is coming online, which is great, and I know only too well how frustrating it can be - but don't give up - the information you need is out there and if you chip away at it, you will find it. Wish I could help further. All the best and good luck Theresa -----Original Message----- From: genire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Sent: 20 January 2010 00:47 To: GENIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: Irish History Brickwalls Hi everyone. I am new to the list and looking for ideas on how to get around not knowing the place name in Ireland to search for my family. The information I know: - the name of the husband and est. birth in 1832. - the maiden name of his wife, her fathers name and her est birth in 1832. - the name of their son who was born in Ireland around 1854. - I am estimating they arrived in the U.S. around 1854-1855 because a child was born in New Jersey 28 Aug 1856 I've collected a lot of information on this family after their arrival in the U.S., but "Ireland" is always listed as place information. Luckily, I think I have enough information to identify them in Ireland if I can ever locate them, but where do I start? HELP!!!! - Thanks - Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.glass-ts.com/PDFs/GTS_Terms_Conditions.pdf Click below if you wish to pay either company: http://www.britglass.org.uk/payment.php http://www.glass-ts.com/payment/payment.php P please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. http://www.britglass.org.uk/BritishGlass/British_Glass_Environmental_Policy_Statement_-_Mar_08.pdf http://www.glass-ts.com/PDFs/GTS_Environmental_Policy_Statement_-_Mar_08.pdf (Click to view policies) This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this message, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company.

Mary, Spend a lot of time on the familysearch.org site, especially the pilot project records for Ireland. On Jan 19, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Mary wrote: > Hi everyone. I am new to the list and looking for ideas on how to > get around not knowing the place name in Ireland to search for my > family. > > The information I know: > - the name of the husband and est. birth in 1832. > - the maiden name of his wife, her fathers name and her est > birth in 1832. > - the name of their son who was born in Ireland around 1854. > - I am estimating they arrived in the U.S. around 1854-1855 > because a child was born in New Jersey > 28 Aug 1856 > > I've collected a lot of information on this family after their > arrival in the U.S., but "Ireland" is always listed as place > information. > > Luckily, I think I have enough information to identify them in > Ireland if I can ever locate them, but where do I start? > > HELP!!!! - Thanks - Mary > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENIRE- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, We all have brickwalls that need to be knocked down. That said, you will find the information in the strangest places. My great grandfather I was told was from Ireland, but not where. Then, I obtained the death certificate for my great grandmother from Chicago. It said she was from County Louth. I then received a copy of her obituary, which indicated she was from Dundalk. I sent off for their marriage certificate, which gave me their parents' names. All the information is out there, you just have to keep looking. Let the list know who you relatives are, maybe we can help. Bill

It might help if you gave us the names od the family concerned. Then I would search shipping and US immigration records. This would indicate where they came from. Sue Wood Seeking: Pyle, McClelland, McMahon, Lowther, Le Batt, Labatte, Miller, Innes , Quaife , Lake, Shipton, Nolan, McQueen, Madden, McConnell, Quilty, Swayne. Wood, Forshaw, Follitt, Wil(l)shaw, Russell, Lavender, Ross, Harvey, Enniss, Ross, Robinson, Ashcroft, Sutton

COURT OF APPEAL. A case in re DILWORTH is being argued at the Court of Appeal to-day. James DILLWORTH, late of Auckland, deceased, by his will bequeathed considerable property to trustees for the maintenance and education of destitute orphans or children of persons in straitened circumstances in the provincial district of Auckland, and in the province of Ulster, Ireland. The children were by the will directed to be brought up in the tenets of the Church of England. The question involved is whether a bequest for this purpose if exempted, by the Charitable Gifts Duties Exemption Act, 1883, from payment of duty under the Deceased Persons' Estates Duties Act, 1881. Justice CONOLLY held there was no exemption on the ground that the bequest was not to the public but to a sect or class. The executors are now appealing from this decision. Sir Robert STOUT appears in support of the Appeal, and Messrs Theo. COOPER and GULLY for the respondent Commissioner of Stamps. The Court reserved judgment,

I suggest the Y-Irl list at Yahoogroups; this list isn't very active, and frankly, the Irish groups at Rootsweb aren't generally all that helpful. You may be able to locate the child's birth here: http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=collectionDetails;t=searchable%20for%20births%20&%20marriages You have to create a shortcut, and click on it over again every time you search, or you'll get results for the entire planet. For some years you may be able to get films of the birth record from LDS; for most years you can get only a film of the index, giving you info you already have. If you go here you can order a copy of the birth record. http://www.groireland.ie/ Tehre's a fax form you can use for fastest results, and I got the record I requested pretty quickly, in two or three weeks or something. I suggest you also look for the parents' marriage, and get that record. Either the child's birth record or the parents' marriage record may provide more info, such as the names of parents, the occupation of the groom. As well as where they married. What was their name, and what religious denomination were they? And do you know what his occupation was? What resources did they bring with them, and were they working or middle class, even middle class and not very successful? Always get all the records on both husband and wife. All immigration records, all records assocaited with their deaths, and any documentation that was filled out for any reason, such as draft registration, maybe if they went back to Ireland for any reason and had to fill out forms for that. You never know what's going to drop clues. And in many locations, the death certificates would name their parents. At Ancestry.com you can search for the ship's record; those records expand constantly. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX tiggernut24@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" <bullydog2@verizon.net> To: <GENIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: Irish History Brickwalls Hi everyone. I am new to the list and looking for ideas on how to get around not knowing the place name in Ireland to search for my family. The information I know: - the name of the husband and est. birth in 1832. - the maiden name of his wife, her fathers name and her est birth in 1832. - the name of their son who was born in Ireland around 1854. - I am estimating they arrived in the U.S. around 1854-1855 because a child was born in New Jersey 28 Aug 1856 I've collected a lot of information on this family after their arrival in the U.S., but "Ireland" is always listed as place information. Luckily, I think I have enough information to identify them in Ireland if I can ever locate them, but where do I start? HELP!!!! - Thanks - Mary ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone.   I am new to the list and looking for ideas on how to get around not knowing the place name in Ireland to search for my family. The information I know:     - the name of the husband and est. birth in 1832.     - the maiden name of his wife, her fathers name and her est birth in 1832.     - the name of their son who was born in Ireland around 1854.     - I am estimating they  arrived in the U.S. around 1854-1855 because a child was born in New Jersey         28 Aug 1856 I've collected a lot of information on this family after their arrival in the U.S., but "Ireland" is always listed as place information.  Luckily, I think I have enough information to identify them in Ireland if I can ever locate them, but where do I start?  HELP!!!! -  Thanks - Mary

>From The Cork Examiner, 4 November 1864 - ESTABLISHED CHURCH. -------- By the death of the Rev. Mr. Hastings, the living of Kilmacrenan, Donegal, in the gift of the Provost, Fellows, and Scholars of Trinity College, become vacant. The value of the living is about £400 a-year. The Rev. Mr. Hastings held it for 53 years, having been inducted in the year 1811. Viscount De Vesci has contributed the handsome sum of £2,600 towards rebuilding the parish church of Abbeyleix ; and Lady De Vesci, has expressed her intention from her private purse to furnish the interior. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

The Ireland Genealogy Project, County Armagh website has been updated with new townland and civil parish webpages. Kilcooney Civil Parish and Seagoe Civil Parish webpages have been added plus pages for all the townlands in the civil pages. There are now over 712 townland pages on the site, over 70% of the all the townlands in County Armagh. Townland and civil parish pages include links, and available Family History Library films with their numbers, plus available religious records. Some have maps and pictures plus surnames from the area that others are researching. The CP pages have links to all the townlands located in the parish. Some have records. If you don't find a townland that you are interested in, you can email me to request it and I will include in the next update. Since moving the site from Rootsweb to the new IGW website last year, I recently found that some of the link changes didn't take, especially on the Record page. Those have been fixed but there still may be some on the various townland pages that didn't take, so if you come across a link that doesn't work, please email me off the list and let me know so I can fix it with my next update. If you would like to add any records and/or pictures to the site, please contact me off the list. You can find the site at: http://www.igp-web.com/armagh/index.htm -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

JD wrote: > Renia wrote: >> I received this in an email from FMP today: >> >> Irish and Scottish records will be arriving soon, establishing >> findmypast.co.uk as the primary family history site for the entire UK. >> And we’re continuing to add even more specialist records to enable you >> to approach your research from all angles, including more parish >> records, our forthcoming London probate indexes and our new Merchant >> Seamen registers. > > ".......primary family history site for the entire UK" > Are you assuming that the Republic is part of your UK? > > If so, put your belt on and load your holster. No, but Northern Ireland is both in the UK and in Ireland. Or do you forget about the north?

Alison Kilpatrick wrote: > Transcribed from the 14 January 1823 edition of The Strabane Morning > Post newspaper, by permission of The British Library: > > The Climate.--The present winter is gliding away imperceptibly > without frost or snow. In fact, the temperature of our climate seems, > within the last forty years to have undergone an astonishing change. > Formerly a continuance of six or seven weeks' frost, commencing about > Christmas, was not deemed an uncommon occurrence--and our fields and > highways were, as this season, buried in snow. Robin-redbreasts sought > shelter in the habitations of man--other birds perished in > thousands--our cattle were housed--field labour suspended--and the youth > of the country sought amusement in snipe-shooting, skating, and other > rural sports.--At present fields are green--our cattle are turned out to > pasturage--the atmosphere is mild, and uniform in temperature, but > loaded with moisture, and pregnant with showers. Compare this with the > state of England*. At Liverpool, the rivers are bound with frost. At > London, the skaters find an ample field of exercise on the Serpentine > river in Hyde Park.--To what causes can so remarkable a change in our > climate be ascribed. > > =================== *Aye, gaaawd knows that the Anglish are sanners