On Feb 1, 10:43 am, Renia <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote: > Apparently I'm not allowed to repeat any of this article, so I'll just > direct you to it in Irish Central. > > http://www.irishcentral.com/news/New-study-claims-that-Irishmen-desce... Absolute tosh. The Irish have been in Ireland for **far** longer than the Turks have been in Turkey, so it is an impossibility for Irishmen to be "descended from Turkish farmers". Regards, The Chief

>>> I have a Charles William Smith born Dublin circa 1826, whom I cannot locate a birth for. Would anyone know if this is an Irish surname or coulde it be Smyth or some other variation. Any adive appreciated thank Jen Australia <<< Jen, do not attach too much importance to spellings of names. Firstly, many common folk were illiterate, or only partially literate, and either relied on others to document their names or spelled them differently from time to time. (Any stigma attached to illiteracy of our ancestors is a purely modern invention.) Secondly, many records you will be searching through will either be handwritten (in which case you'll be dealing with wildly variant handwriting) or transcriptions (in which case the transcriber will have dealt with wildly variant handwriting). Either way, the consistency of spelling should not be a great concern to you. Smith, Smyth, Smythe - they're all the same. Since you're looking in Dublin, it's most likely your ancestors were English-speakers. However, if your research takes you "beyond the Pale" (into the Irish countryside), then be aware that Smith is MacGabhann in Irish. The word smith is usually associated with blacksmithing, and a gabha is a blacksmith. MacGabhann sounds like McGowan (which is how it's often anglicized), but I shouldn't be surprised to see McGavin as well. Another hangup people often have with Irish surnames is Mac vs Mc - the correct spelling in Gaelic is Mac; the more common spelling in English is Mc; often the Mac/Mc was dropped altogether in order to appear less "Irish". Some names start with Fitz- which is from the Norman French "fils" which means son, the same meaning as - you guessed it - Mac. The English fashion (taken from Scandinavian & German) was to append -son. So you could rightly say that Fitzjohn, Johnson, Jackson, and MacSheain are all the same surname. How's that for conplicating one's research? Check out Wikipedia for an intersting article on the name Smith - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_(surname) Good luck with your research. Brad Wilson

Apparently I'm not allowed to repeat any of this article, so I'll just direct you to it in Irish Central. http://www.irishcentral.com/news/New-study-claims-that-Irishmen-descended-from-Turkish-farmers-83217437.html

"jen" wrote > Hi > I have a Charles William Smith born Dublin circa 1826, whom I cannot > locate a birth for. > Would anyone know if this is an Irish surname or coulde it be Smyth or > some other variation. > Any adive appreciated > thank > Jen Australia Smyth would be more common here than Smith to be honest...but that doesn't mean he *isn't* a Smith. You could also try Smythe HTH Caroline, Ireland

>From The Cork Examiner, 6 April 1865 - THE SIAMESE TWINS. ------------ TIED YET DISUNITED. The New York correspondent of the Morning Herald gives an account of these extraordinary personages :--Singular as it may seem, there are two persons in the South who have not been materially affected by the war. For them conscription has no terrors ; politics have no excitement. And yet these seemingly happy mortals are not wholly blest. Gladly would they become humble privates in Lee's battered army, if so they might change their condition. Physically they are united, but morally and socially they are divided. Since their withdrawal from public view, the "Siamese twins," as they were properly termed, have resided upon their plantation near the town of Salisbury, in North Carolina. In this world's goods they are well to do, and among their "chattels" are several scores of negroes. For many years they have lived in harmony with their wives and their children, their families being periodically increased, until, after a certain lapse of time, each became the happy possessor of five flourishing "olive branches." Up to this time between the two there had been apparently a perfect community of thought and purpose. But an "event" occurred in the family of Chang, the larger of the two brothers, through which great subsequent trouble arose. A sixth child was added to him, and this "advantage" not only excited intense animosity in the mind of the wife of his brother Eng, but led to a separation between that person and Mrs. Chang, the two women occupying different houses, but remaining on the same plantation. This jealousy had its effect upon Eng, who is the smaller and feebler of the two, and he is now said to look ten years older than his brother. The twins have as little to say to each other as possible ; of course, such a thing as total silence is out of the question. Their fate is certainly deplorable. Regarding each other with feelings of bitterness, they are yet bound together by a tie, any attempt to sever which would almost inevitably result in the death of both. Through the ligature which connects them passes an artery as large as the femoral artery, and it was the opinion of the eminent London surgeons who examined them some years since that any operation tending to free the brothers from this abnormal connection would prove fatal. They are, it will be remembered, wedded to sisters, which renders the estrangement still more unfortunate. Chang and Eng have an ample fortune ; their deposits in various banks in the city are very considerable. In agricultural pursuits they have prospered, despite the war. Taken all in all, matter for a very respectable story hangs about these world-famous twins. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

The following are all undocumented family beliefs. Caffrey siblings were born in Ireland as follows: John (my ggf) about 1852, Mary about 1855, Ella about 1861, Michael about 1863, Patrick about 1866, Anthony about 1867, James about 1868. Somewhere along the line, John married Mary Kane. Their first child Mary was born in Leeds, England about 1876, his second child Rose was born in Staffordshire, England about 1882. Everybody immigrated to the US about 1883. According to Patrick, who lived the longest, and who AFAIK was the only one who was ever asked, the family "came from Ballycroy, County Mayo." I have searched an LDS regional library (although some years ago), Dublin archives and Mayo family history center (1994), and found nothing. Can anybody help me prove any of this? Many thanks!

Hi I have a Charles William Smith born Dublin circa 1826, whom I cannot locate a birth for. Would anyone know if this is an Irish surname or coulde it be Smyth or some other variation. Any adive appreciated thank Jen Australia

See: http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/ Getting Started in Genealogy and Family History http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/4_pocket.html Finding Your Ancestors in Ireland http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson21.htm Rootsweb Guide to Tracing Irish Families http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/ Tracing Your Irish Ancestors http://www.ancestry.com/download/forms.htm Genealogy Charts & Forms http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/rg/guide/ all_t3_resmeth_-_how_do_i_begin.asp [paste all on one line] How Do I Begin? - Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/frameset_rg.asp? Dest=G1&Aid=&Gid=&Lid=&Sid=&Did=&Juris1=&Event=&Year=&Gloss=&Sub= &Tab=&Entry=&Guide=Ireland.ASP [paste all on one line] LDS Source Guide for Ireland

http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/ulster/index_de.htm Derry sources for genealogy http://www.familia.org.uk/services/ni/western_londonderry.html Derry Libraries Family History Resources http://www.thauvin.net/chance/ireland/derry/index.jsp County Derry Queries http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cheps/Derry/ Derry GenWeb http://www.ancestryireland.co.uk/index.php?filename=map_derry Civil Parishes of County Derry

Below are some of the files added in January. To see the individual obits and vitals click on the text file link at the bottom of the email. To view these go to: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ Click on COUNTY from table of counties and then sub-heading eg -Headstones. Christina ====================================== GENERAL IRELAND -Emigration Passenger Ship Portland to Charlestown - 1803 Passenger Ship Eagle to New York - 1803 Passenger Ship Susan and the American Brig, Neptune - 1803 DONEGAL -Census Substitutes List of Landowners in 1870's - A-Z DUBLIN -Headstones Deansgrange Cemetery, South West Section Part 3 (finished) -Land Canceled Valuation Books, Phibsborough Road (pt3), Arrans Quay ca. 1917-1921 Canceled Valuation Books, Tighe Street, Arrans Quay ca. (Parish of St. Paul) 1861-1868 KERRY -Vitals Assorted Marriages (Healey, Kerrisk & others) LAOIS -Census Substitutes List of Landowners in 1870's - Names & Addresses Only - A-Z LIMERICK -Cemetery Mt. St. Lawrence Cemetery, Limerick, Co. Limerick - Byrne, Byrnes, O'Byrne, Burns Mt. St. Lawrence Cemetery, Limerick, Co. Limerick - Dillon Mt. St. Lawrence Cemetery, Limerick, Co. Limerick - Moylan & Meany OFFALY -Church Baptisms 1866-1867, Parish of Rhode (RC) WATERFORD -Headstones Faithlegg Cemetery, Cheekpoint WESTMEATH -Census Substitutes Westmeath Landowners 1870's A-Z also see new text files: http://search.freefind.com/find.html?si=13812782&pid=r&n=0&_charset_=UTF-8&bcd=%C3%B7&query=2010+txt&s= ===================================================================================

I have added a direct link to some of the files hosted on http://irishgenealogy.net/ Do not forget that Marriage and Birth/Baptism records often have more persons recorded than just the Family surname. Your brickwall could be hiding in somebodies research...... *********************************************************************************** This link has to with my research on the McFall/McFaul Surname (WEBPAGE)Clough Interments Index 1875-1913 (PDF)Clough Interments Index 1875-1913 (WEBPAGE)Graveyard Records and Locations - Co. Antrim (WEBPAGE)(some)Ballymena Marriages 1807 - 1841 - Co. Antrim (WEBPAGE)(some)Islandmagee Baptisms 1829-1983 - Co. Antrim (WEBPAGE)(some)Islandmagee Baptisms 1876-1920 - Co. Antrim (WEBPAGE)(some)Islandmagee Marriages 1819-1892 - Co. Antrim ********************************************************************************* Visit http://irishgenealogy.net/files/files.html --------------= Posted using GrabIt =---------------- ------= Binary Usenet downloading made easy =--------- -= Get GrabIt for free from http://www.shemes.com/ =-

Michael Danahy wrote: > MargM, > > IF Londonderry is in NORTHERN Ireland, you need to go to Her Majesty's > Archives in Kew gardens also on line Or the Public Records Office of Northern Ireland: http://www.proni.gov.uk/

Not sure how but my computer had a mind of its own and sent 3 emails instead of one . Once you hit 'send' there's no going back Oh dear bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW Australia

----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger" <R@NO-SPAMmacwilliam.force9.co.uk> Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.ireland To: <genire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:20 AM Subject: Re: CRAIG family of Londonderry city > > "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> wrote in message > news:mailman.180.1264776869.1999.genire@rootsweb.com... >> >> >> Hi Everyone >> >> I could do with some help in finding some Londonderry >> records ........ >> This is way out of my usual research area of Australian >> records Checked out many refs in Cyndislist for Nth >> Ireland >> without finding anything of relevance >> >> The family I seek info on is that of John CRAIG , 73, >> retired bank manager b Co Galway, Margaret CRAIG nee >> VALE, >> 70, b Co Antrim >> They had an unmarried dau Margaret Maude ,36 b >> Londonderry, >> There is an intriguing ref in the 1911 census to a Theo >> Donise CRAIG. 14, b Londonderry grand daughter ???, They >> lived at 60 Culmore Lower Liberties, Londonderry >> >> They also had a son, Vivian Henry CRAIG b1879 Londonderry >> not mentioned in the 1911Irish census, who by 1914 was >> living in Melbourne, VIC >> He appears to have swam here as cant find him in any >> incoming passenger list ?? >> >> How do I find out when / where John CRAIG died? And did >> he >> leave a will ? >> And where does Theo Donise fit ? >> >> >> >> Many thanks >> >> Bye >> >> MargM >> Beautiful NSW Central Coast >> NSW >> Australia >> >> >> > What looks like the index extract for John's will comes up > with a search at > www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars/wills_search.htm > Date of death given as 30 Nov 1912. This agrees with a > death entry at > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html for > John Craig registered Oct-Dec 1912 Londonderry. The same > site has birth entries for Vivian Henry Craig 1877 (?) and > Margaret Theo Denise Craig Oct-Dec 1896 Coleraine, > presumably a child of one of the surviving Craig sons. > I assume you will have seen Vivian Henry's WW1 service > record at > www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx . > > Hope this helps. > Roger > > > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: > news@netfront.net --- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

"Roger" <R@NO-SPAMmacwilliam.force9.co.uk> wrote in message news:hjv1t6$9lj$1@adenine.netfront.net... > > "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> wrote in message > news:mailman.180.1264776869.1999.genire@rootsweb.com... Hi Roger looks like the index extract for John's will comes up with a search at > www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars/wills_search.htm > Date of death given as 30 Nov 1912. So it does ! Helps to know where to look . Thank you. Looks like the cost of a copy would be 22 euros This agrees with a death entry at > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html for > John Craig > registered Oct-Dec 1912 Londonderry. The same site has > birth entries for > Vivian Henry Craig 1877 (?) Could be he was a couple of years older . I have copy of his WW1 service dossier and his marriage cert , and both indicate b 1879 and Margaret Theo Denise Craig Oct-Dec 1896 > Coleraine, presumably a child of one of the surviving > Craig sons. Ok how do I find out if there were any more sons? The 1901 Derry census doesnt look as though it covers the part of Derry where this family lived > I assume you will have seen Vivian Henry's WW1 service > record at > www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx . Sure have ! > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html is a very bare bones index Are there any Derry newspaper archives on line ? I know Vivian Henry CRAIG was living in Melbourne Australia by 1914 and living with his wife to be . They didnt marry until 1916 She had a son in 1907. no fathers name on his birth cert.......... This boy later took the surname of CRAIG . Vivian could have been his father.................. I cant find him in the 1911 Irish Census or Findmypast migration data base Its a challenge ! Many thanks bye -- MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW Australia

"Roger" <R@NO-SPAMmacwilliam.force9.co.uk> wrote in message news:hjv1t6$9lj$1@adenine.netfront.net... > > "MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> wrote in message > news:mailman.180.1264776869.1999.genire@rootsweb.com... >> > What Hi Roger looks like the index extract for John's will comes up with a search at > www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars/wills_search.htm > Date of death given as 30 Nov 1912. So it does ! Helps to know where to look . Thank you. Looks like the cost of a copy would be 22 euros This agrees with a death entry at > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html for > John Craig > registered Oct-Dec 1912 Londonderry. The same site has > birth entries for > Vivian Henry Craig 1877 (?) Could be he was a couple of years older . I have copy of his WW1 service dossier and his marriage cert , and both indicate b 1879 and Margaret Theo Denise Craig Oct-Dec 1896 > Coleraine, presumably a child of one of the surviving > Craig sons. Ok how do I find out if there were any more sons? The 1901 Derry census doesn't look as though it covers the part of Derry where this family lived ? > I assume you will have seen Vivian Henry's WW1 service > record at > www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx . Sure have ! > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html is a very bare bones index Are there any Derry newspaper archives on line ? I know Vivian Henry CRAIG was living in Melbourne Australia by 1914 and living with his wife to be . They didnt marry until 1916 She had a son in 1907. no fathers name on his birth cert.......... This boy later took the surname of CRAIG . Vivian could have been his father.................. I cant find him in the 1911 Irish Census or Findmypast migration data base Its a challenge ! Many thanks bye -- MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW Australia

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Danahy" <mldanahy@bellsouth.net> To: <genire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:40 AM Subject: Re: CRAIG family of Londonderry city Hi Michael > IF Londonderry is in NORTHERN Ireland, you need to go to > Her > Majesty's Archives in Kew gardens also on line > I do ? Putting a toe in the waters of Irish research is completely new territory for me I did know Londonderry's location . Is it not done to type Nth Ireland ?? If that is so I didnt know Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW Australia

Hi Everyone I could do with some help in finding some Londonderry records ........ This is way out of my usual research area of Australian records Checked out many refs in Cyndislist for Nth Ireland without finding anything of relevance The family I seek info on is that of John CRAIG , 73, retired bank manager b Co Galway, Margaret CRAIG nee VALE, 70, b Co Antrim They had an unmarried dau Margaret Maude ,36 b Londonderry, There is an intriguing ref in the 1911 census to a Theo Donise CRAIG. 14, b Londonderry grand daughter ???, They lived at 60 Culmore Lower Liberties, Londonderry They also had a son, Vivian Henry CRAIG b1879 Londonderry not mentioned in the 1911Irish census, who by 1914 was living in Melbourne, VIC He appears to have swam here as cant find him in any incoming passenger list ?? How do I find out when / where John CRAIG died? And did he leave a will ? And where does Theo Donise fit ? Many thanks Bye MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW Australia

"ejm329" <emccarren@gmail.com> wrote in message news:154452a9-dd2d-48db-99b7-116e5049e362@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > hi i'm ed mccarren from maine u.s.a.i have ancestors from donegal, > galway and mayo all left for america in the 1850-1860' s. the > mccarron'left about 1860 from oughtmeen donegal for pens.u.s.a.ab.1860 > the mclaughlins left galway about 1850 for boston The burkes show up > in boston about 1850 Am trying to find these people any ideas?Like to > talk to others Ireland phone directory at http://www.eircomphonebook.ie has one McCarren listing in Donegal. McCarren, Kellyanne & J The Rectory Fahan Co. Donegal (074)9360685 There are 112 McCarron listings for Donegal. They include 13 from Lifford, 13 from Letterkenny and 12 from Clonmany. There are none shown in Oughtmeen (Ughtmeen)/Meenatotta(n) There are 12 McLaughlin listings for Galway. There are 212 Burke listings for Mayo, 655 for Galway, and 62 from Donegal. Do you know the town the Burke's came from? Letters to some of these people might find you some answers. Good luck, Joe in Texas

"MargM" <genknut@exemail.com.au> wrote in message news:mailman.180.1264776869.1999.genire@rootsweb.com... > > > Hi Everyone > > I could do with some help in finding some Londonderry > records ........ > This is way out of my usual research area of Australian > records Checked out many refs in Cyndislist for Nth Ireland > without finding anything of relevance > > The family I seek info on is that of John CRAIG , 73, > retired bank manager b Co Galway, Margaret CRAIG nee VALE, > 70, b Co Antrim > They had an unmarried dau Margaret Maude ,36 b Londonderry, > There is an intriguing ref in the 1911 census to a Theo > Donise CRAIG. 14, b Londonderry grand daughter ???, They > lived at 60 Culmore Lower Liberties, Londonderry > > They also had a son, Vivian Henry CRAIG b1879 Londonderry > not mentioned in the 1911Irish census, who by 1914 was > living in Melbourne, VIC > He appears to have swam here as cant find him in any > incoming passenger list ?? > > How do I find out when / where John CRAIG died? And did he > leave a will ? > And where does Theo Donise fit ? > > > > Many thanks > > Bye > > MargM > Beautiful NSW Central Coast > NSW > Australia > > > What looks like the index extract for John's will comes up with a search at www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars/wills_search.htm Date of death given as 30 Nov 1912. This agrees with a death entry at http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html for John Craig registered Oct-Dec 1912 Londonderry. The same site has birth entries for Vivian Henry Craig 1877 (?) and Margaret Theo Denise Craig Oct-Dec 1896 Coleraine, presumably a child of one of the surviving Craig sons. I assume you will have seen Vivian Henry's WW1 service record at www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx . Hope this helps. Roger --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---