Mine didn't conform - basically, they did the opposite. "Slarty" <plink.1RoyTubb@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message news:1fddy2nx0u2h6.1j334qmllums$.dlg@40tude.net... > On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 23:46:14 GMT, Curraveha wrote: > >> Given Name Naming Pattern >> >> This was in common use in the British Isles >> >> from 1750 until 1900. Similar patterns occur >> >> in other countries in Europe. > > But the exceptions to these 'rules' were at least as common as examples > *not* following them. At least in all my families. Recognising a potential > family forename, based on other family members you've confirmed, can be a > useful clue of course. > > My ancestors were not conformists! Were yours? > > Cheers, > > Roy >

"John Prentice" <johnp@john-prentice.com.invalid> wrote in message news:7t57biFtbnU1@mid.individual.net... > On 06/02/2010 00:56, Mick wrote: >> I realy don't care whether any ex colony or commonwealth country wants >> to change its flag. But in the interest of accuracy it's the Union Flag; >> it's only a Jack if it's mounted on a ship or boat. > > In the interests of even more accuracy, it isn't! > > See http://www.flaginstitute.org/index.php?location=7.1 for a more > detailed discussion. In essence: for the last hundred years, both the > House of Lords, House of Commons and Admiralty have accepted that either > term can be used, interchangeably, reflecting the common usage. > > John > -- > Maintainer of the s.g.b FAQs, at http://www.genealogy-britain.org.uk/ > Currently researching LEE and BEDFORD families from Islington > > LOOK OUT, SPAM BLOCK AHEAD! > To email me, please remove ".invalid" from the email address Wikipedia agrees.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Flag But does anyone know if there is a connection between the jack, a small flag at the front of a ship, and the jack, a small white ball thrown out in front in a game of bowls?

On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:30:42 -0800, John King <ecobotanist@volcano.net> wrote: >Always good to see a bit of humor. However, inasmuch as the official >spelling of the country - in contrast to the fowl - is "Turkiye"; should >we say that it's a turk that/who has lost its "iye"? Would that render >it blind? What's the relevance of that to Reland? -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On 7 Feb, 19:44, "Cwatters" <colin.wattersNOS...@TurnersOakNOSPAM.plus.com> wrote: > > But does anyone know if there is a connection between the jack, a small flag > at the front of a ship, and the jack, a small white ball thrown out in front > in a game of bowls? Cwatters wrote: > > But does anyone know if there is a connection between the jack, a small flag > at the front of a ship, and the jack, a small white ball thrown out in front > in a game of bowls? I think that the point is that the jack is a smaller version of the Union Flag, and a (bowls) jack is so called because it is a small in comparison with the bowls themselves. Jack is an old term which refers to smallness and inferiority of some kind; e.g. a small waxed vessel for holding liquor was called 'a jack' and jack was an inferior kind of armour worn by soldiers, made of leather, canvas and quilted material as opposed to steel. A jack is also an old term for a farthing. Richard L

In alt.talk.royalty The Chief <The_Chieftain@att.net> wrote: : More progress towards progress in another part of the antipodes! What you think of as progress is the opposite. -=-=- The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again, at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Always good to see a bit of humor. However, inasmuch as the official spelling of the country - in contrast to the fowl - is "Turkiye"; should we say that it's a turk that/who has lost its "iye"? Would that render it blind?

On 06/02/2010 00:56, Mick wrote: > I realy don't care whether any ex colony or commonwealth country wants > to change its flag. But in the interest of accuracy it's the Union Flag; > it's only a Jack if it's mounted on a ship or boat. In the interests of even more accuracy, it isn't! See http://www.flaginstitute.org/index.php?location=7.1 for a more detailed discussion. In essence: for the last hundred years, both the House of Lords, House of Commons and Admiralty have accepted that either term can be used, interchangeably, reflecting the common usage. John -- Maintainer of the s.g.b FAQs, at http://www.genealogy-britain.org.uk/ Currently researching LEE and BEDFORD families from Islington LOOK OUT, SPAM BLOCK AHEAD! To email me, please remove ".invalid" from the email address

>From A.Word.A.Day (Wordsmith.org) The word today is....Methuseluh "Meet Frank Ahern, the Methuseluh of Seattle high-school coaches, a retired urban legend in his second half century of helping city youth." Craig Smith; A Coach for the Ages, The Seattle Times; Feb 27, 2000.

It was probably a copy of the stories from Australia substituting them for us. It is their national holiday weekend this week. "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote in message news:u9lnm5hfut1naj57o2lkhusjbh5tjvh7rk@4ax.com... > On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:42:30 -0800 (PST), The Chief <The_Chieftain@att.net> > wrote: > >>More progress towards progress in another part of the antipodes! >>"Under the banner headline "It's time for a change", the New Zealand >>Herald, the largest circulating daily newspaper, devoted almost its >>entire front page to the issue." > > And its relevance to genealogy is? > > > -- > Steve Hayes > Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ > http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/ > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---

CJ Buyers wrote: > On Feb 5, 6:42 pm, The Chief <The_Chieft...@att.net> wrote: >> More progress towards progress in another part of the antipodes! >> "Under the banner headline "It's time for a change", the New Zealand >> Herald, the largest circulating daily newspaper, devoted almost its >> entire front page to the issue." >> Seehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newz... > > Australian owned and operated. Even its copy editing is done in > Australia. Seems to be very off topic for Genealogy. I realy don't care whether any ex colony or commonwealth country wants to change its flag. But in the interest of accuracy it's the Union Flag; it's only a Jack if it's mounted on a ship or boat.

John King wrote: > An interesting, if too brief, article. Actually, this does not at all > contradict the more prevalent claim of Spanish ancestry. It is all a > matter of time. Ultimately, Irish origins trace back to the emergence of > Caucasians in the area of the Baku Peninsula in present-day Armenia. > From there, where did they go? What was their migratory route? > Certainly, it went through North Africa; and, thence, to Spain. Except > that, more correctly, we speak of the ancient Ibero-Celts. You must > remember: those who sided with Hasdrubal and Carthage and met a terrible > fate when Rome won. Rome was never kind to those who opposed it. Anyway, > the Ibero-Celts - like most ancient peoples, did not follow today's > clean and firm national boundaries. Many Ibero-Celts also resided in > what is today France. And, in fact, their origins - like all Celts is > traceable to the region now occupied by the Czech Republic. > > The variance in male and female chromosomes paints a clear picture: the > early Eirean settlers were probably exclusively male. That is the norm > for pioneering populations. Later, they mated with the local females. It > is highly probable that they had much more on their side than farming. > Such as better military organization (all males! - likely in a sib or > pre-clan) and weaponry. That would explain their being able to brush > aside the resident male population. Ridiculous! A turk is a bird that lost the ey from its tail.

On Feb 5, 6:42 pm, The Chief <The_Chieft...@att.net> wrote: > More progress towards progress in another part of the antipodes! > "Under the banner headline "It's time for a change", the New Zealand > Herald, the largest circulating daily newspaper, devoted almost its > entire front page to the issue." > Seehttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newz... Australian owned and operated. Even its copy editing is done in Australia.

On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:42:30 -0800 (PST), The Chief <The_Chieftain@att.net> wrote: >More progress towards progress in another part of the antipodes! >"Under the banner headline "It's time for a change", the New Zealand >Herald, the largest circulating daily newspaper, devoted almost its >entire front page to the issue." And its relevance to genealogy is? -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Transcribed from the 5 February 1824 edition of The Enniskillen Chronicle & Erne Packet newspaper, by permission of The British Library: Hibernian Society.--On Wednesday night a meeting was held in the Music Hall, Liverpool, for considering the propriety of establishing in this town, a Branch Society of the London Hibernian Society for the education of the Irish. The room was filled to excess by a very respectable company. The Hon. Mr. Stanley being called to the chair, he addressed the meeting in a very eloquent speech. He stated that the Society of which they proposed that evening to form a branch, had been established seventeen years, and had worked its way in spite of the opposition of ignorance, bigotry, and superstition. Several gentlemen addressed the meeting, in proposing a series of resolutions, which were all unanimously passed. These resolutions proposed scriptural education, and the propagation of the scriptures, in the sister kingdom, as the great antidote for the miseries with which that country was distracted. It appears that up to the present time the parent Society has established 350 schools, which are attended by 70,000 children and adults. The thanks to the chairman, at the conclusion of the meeting, were proposed and carried with acclamation. The Honourable Mr. Stanley returned thanks in a very feeling and eloquent address, in which he powerfully appealed to the audience for their zealous and effectual support to this Institution. The meeting, which lasted two hours and a half, separated about a quarter before ten. ======================

On Feb 5, 12:22 am, Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:42:30 -0800 (PST), The Chief <The_Chieft...@att.net> > wrote: > > >More progress towards progress in another part of the antipodes! > >"Under the banner headline "It's time for a change", the New Zealand > >Herald, the largest circulating daily newspaper, devoted almost its > >entire front page to the issue." > > And its relevance to genealogy is? > > -- > Steve Hayes > Web:http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ >      http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm >      http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/ None - an unintended "autofill" feature..... Regards, The Chief

More progress towards progress in another part of the antipodes! "Under the banner headline "It's time for a change", the New Zealand Herald, the largest circulating daily newspaper, devoted almost its entire front page to the issue." See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/7152838/New-Zealand-debates-dropping-British-flag-from-national-ensign.html

"Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> wrote in message news:hk45u8$3r9$1@pcls6.std.com... > > http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/ulster/index_de.htm > Derry sources for genealogy > > http://www.familia.org.uk/services/ni/western_londonderry.html > Derry Libraries Family History Resources > > Dennis Many thanks for all this info . Its been most helpful Bye -- MargM Beautiful NSW Central Coast NSW Australia

"jen" wrote > Thank you Brad ...

Thank you Brad for a very interesting insight. I shall try searvching some of those suggestion names and see if I can come up with any thing. Jenni <bmacliam@aol.com> wrote in message news:mailman.267.1265141378.1999.genire@rootsweb.com... >>> I have a Charles William Smith born Dublin circa 1826, whom I cannot locate a birth for. Would anyone know if this is an Irish surname or coulde it be Smyth or some other variation. Any adive appreciated thank Jen Australia <<< Jen, do not attach too much importance to spellings of names. Firstly, many common folk were illiterate, or only partially literate, and either relied on others to document their names or spelled them differently from time to time. (Any stigma attached to illiteracy of our ancestors is a purely modern invention.) Secondly, many records you will be searching through will either be handwritten (in which case you'll be dealing with wildly variant handwriting) or transcriptions (in which case the transcriber will have dealt with wildly variant handwriting). Either way, the consistency of spelling should not be a great concern to you. Smith, Smyth, Smythe - they're all the same. Since you're looking in Dublin, it's most likely your ancestors were English-speakers. However, if your research takes you "beyond the Pale" (into the Irish countryside), then be aware that Smith is MacGabhann in Irish. The word smith is usually associated with blacksmithing, and a gabha is a blacksmith. MacGabhann sounds like McGowan (which is how it's often anglicized), but I shouldn't be surprised to see McGavin as well. Another hangup people often have with Irish surnames is Mac vs Mc - the correct spelling in Gaelic is Mac; the more common spelling in English is Mc; often the Mac/Mc was dropped altogether in order to appear less "Irish". Some names start with Fitz- which is from the Norman French "fils" which means son, the same meaning as - you guessed it - Mac. The English fashion (taken from Scandinavian & German) was to append -son. So you could rightly say that Fitzjohn, Johnson, Jackson, and MacSheain are all the same surname. How's that for conplicating one's research? Check out Wikipedia for an intersting article on the name Smith - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_(surname) Good luck with your research. Brad Wilson

An interesting, if too brief, article. Actually, this does not at all contradict the more prevalent claim of Spanish ancestry. It is all a matter of time. Ultimately, Irish origins trace back to the emergence of Caucasians in the area of the Baku Peninsula in present-day Armenia. From there, where did they go? What was their migratory route? Certainly, it went through North Africa; and, thence, to Spain. Except that, more correctly, we speak of the ancient Ibero-Celts. You must remember: those who sided with Hasdrubal and Carthage and met a terrible fate when Rome won. Rome was never kind to those who opposed it. Anyway, the Ibero-Celts - like most ancient peoples, did not follow today's clean and firm national boundaries. Many Ibero-Celts also resided in what is today France. And, in fact, their origins - like all Celts is traceable to the region now occupied by the Czech Republic. The variance in male and female chromosomes paints a clear picture: the early Eirean settlers were probably exclusively male. That is the norm for pioneering populations. Later, they mated with the local females. It is highly probable that they had much more on their side than farming. Such as better military organization (all males! - likely in a sib or pre-clan) and weaponry. That would explain their being able to brush aside the resident male population.