"Mathuna" <tardifpj@tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:4b8b4c74$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au... >I am trying to trace descendants of William Buchanan living at 7 Inch > Level, Burt, Co. Donegal according to the 1911 census of Ireland. He had > eight children so surely there is someone out there willing to help - I > would appreciate some advice. The deaths of what appear to be two of the sons, John and Stewart (sic) are shown on the Commonwealth War Graves site www.cwgc.org . John was in a Canadian regiment and his Attestation paper which can be searched for at www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php , shows that he was not married. I know this doesn't directly help your search for descendants, but it reduces the number of family members to follow up. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---

Et voilà- vous avez raison, il fait trop mauvais dans le nord pour sortir. Stay at home by the fire and leave James' Last Will and Testament (choses qu'il légue à ses proches) for another day A bientôt Liz "Patrice" <asi-dc3d@orange.fr> a écrit dans le message de news: 4b878a74$0$17868$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr... > Sorry, > > There's no reply because I want previously to look for the bill of > succession (poor english :) of James Walsh at the Archives Départementales > in Nantes. And in the storming weather, I prefer rest by my chimney.... > > > Patrice > > Le 26.02.10 09:14, Liz Owen a écrit : >> Thanks to you both. My French correpsondent has now established that >> "our" >> James Walsh was born in Stadalt/Stedalt in Stamullen, Co; Meath. I did >> ask >> how he found out,; but have had no reply >> >> >> Liz >> >> "Maureen Brady"<roamingg@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news: >> mailman.307.1267154875.2664.genire@rootsweb.com... >> Don't take anything you find in "O'Hart's Irish Pedigrees" for the gospel >> truth >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Alison Kilpatrick< >> akilpatrick@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: >> >>> >>> For clarity, according to the extract given above, the sons of Andrew >>> Walsh and Jane née Cane were 1. William-Jeremy Walsh, who left no issue. >>> 2. James Walsh, m. and had three sons and three daus. [...] 3. >>> Henry-Thomas Walsh, the third son of Jane and Andrew Walsh, of Oatlands, >>> co. Meath, left no issue. >>> >>> Perhaps (2) James Walsh is your man?? >>> >> >> >>> Alison Kilpatrick wrote: >>> [...] >>> Found the following item on Google Books: >>> >>> Title: Irish pedigrees, or, The origin and stem of the Irish nation >>> Author: John O'Hart >>> Publisher: M.H. Gill& Son, Dublin (1881) >>> >>> "... Jane, the elder dau. of James Cane, of Inchicore, m. Andrew Walsh, >>> of Oatlands, co. Meath, and had three sons and a dau. The sons were 1. >>> William-Jeremy Walsh, who left no issue. 2. James Walsh, m. and had >>> three sons and three daus. The sons were: 1. William-Henry Walsh, living >>> unm. in 1879. 2. John Walsh, living unm. in 1879. 3. Henry Walsh, living >>> in 1879; had one son and three daus. The son is: 1. James Walsh, of >>> Clifton, England, living in 1879. 3. Henry-Thomas Walsh, the third son >>> of Jane and Andrew Walsh, of Oatlands, co. Meath, left no issue. ..." >>> p. 336 >>> >>> ==================================== >>> >>> For clarity, according to the extract given above, the sons of Andrew >>> Walsh and Jane née Cane were 1. William-Jeremy Walsh, who left no issue. >>> 2. James Walsh, m. and had three sons and three daus. [...] 3. >>> Henry-Thomas Walsh, the third son of Jane and Andrew Walsh, of Oatlands, >>> co. Meath, left no issue. >>> >>> Perhaps (2) James Walsh is your man?? >>> >>> ajk >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GENIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >

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Sorry, There's no reply because I want previously to look for the bill of succession (poor english :) of James Walsh at the Archives Départementales in Nantes. And in the storming weather, I prefer rest by my chimney.... Patrice Le 26.02.10 09:14, Liz Owen a écrit : > Thanks to you both. My French correpsondent has now established that "our" > James Walsh was born in Stadalt/Stedalt in Stamullen, Co; Meath. I did ask > how he found out,; but have had no reply > > > Liz > > "Maureen Brady"<roamingg@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news: > mailman.307.1267154875.2664.genire@rootsweb.com... > Don't take anything you find in "O'Hart's Irish Pedigrees" for the gospel > truth > > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Alison Kilpatrick< > akilpatrick@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: > >> >> For clarity, according to the extract given above, the sons of Andrew >> Walsh and Jane née Cane were 1. William-Jeremy Walsh, who left no issue. >> 2. James Walsh, m. and had three sons and three daus. [...] 3. >> Henry-Thomas Walsh, the third son of Jane and Andrew Walsh, of Oatlands, >> co. Meath, left no issue. >> >> Perhaps (2) James Walsh is your man?? >> > > >> Alison Kilpatrick wrote: >> [...] >> Found the following item on Google Books: >> >> Title: Irish pedigrees, or, The origin and stem of the Irish nation >> Author: John O'Hart >> Publisher: M.H. Gill& Son, Dublin (1881) >> >> "... Jane, the elder dau. of James Cane, of Inchicore, m. Andrew Walsh, >> of Oatlands, co. Meath, and had three sons and a dau. The sons were 1. >> William-Jeremy Walsh, who left no issue. 2. James Walsh, m. and had >> three sons and three daus. The sons were: 1. William-Henry Walsh, living >> unm. in 1879. 2. John Walsh, living unm. in 1879. 3. Henry Walsh, living >> in 1879; had one son and three daus. The son is: 1. James Walsh, of >> Clifton, England, living in 1879. 3. Henry-Thomas Walsh, the third son >> of Jane and Andrew Walsh, of Oatlands, co. Meath, left no issue. ..." >> p. 336 >> >> ==================================== >> >> For clarity, according to the extract given above, the sons of Andrew >> Walsh and Jane née Cane were 1. William-Jeremy Walsh, who left no issue. >> 2. James Walsh, m. and had three sons and three daus. [...] 3. >> Henry-Thomas Walsh, the third son of Jane and Andrew Walsh, of Oatlands, >> co. Meath, left no issue. >> >> Perhaps (2) James Walsh is your man?? >> >> ajk >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GENIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Thanks to you both. My French correpsondent has now established that "our" James Walsh was born in Stadalt/Stedalt in Stamullen, Co; Meath. I did ask how he found out,; but have had no reply Liz "Maureen Brady" <roamingg@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news: mailman.307.1267154875.2664.genire@rootsweb.com... Don't take anything you find in "O'Hart's Irish Pedigrees" for the gospel truth On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Alison Kilpatrick < akilpatrick@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: > > For clarity, according to the extract given above, the sons of Andrew > Walsh and Jane née Cane were 1. William-Jeremy Walsh, who left no issue. > 2. James Walsh, m. and had three sons and three daus. [...] 3. > Henry-Thomas Walsh, the third son of Jane and Andrew Walsh, of Oatlands, > co. Meath, left no issue. > > Perhaps (2) James Walsh is your man?? > > Alison Kilpatrick wrote: > [...] > Found the following item on Google Books: > > Title: Irish pedigrees, or, The origin and stem of the Irish nation > Author: John O'Hart > Publisher: M.H. Gill & Son, Dublin (1881) > > "... Jane, the elder dau. of James Cane, of Inchicore, m. Andrew Walsh, > of Oatlands, co. Meath, and had three sons and a dau. The sons were 1. > William-Jeremy Walsh, who left no issue. 2. James Walsh, m. and had > three sons and three daus. The sons were: 1. William-Henry Walsh, living > unm. in 1879. 2. John Walsh, living unm. in 1879. 3. Henry Walsh, living > in 1879; had one son and three daus. The son is: 1. James Walsh, of > Clifton, England, living in 1879. 3. Henry-Thomas Walsh, the third son > of Jane and Andrew Walsh, of Oatlands, co. Meath, left no issue. ..." > p. 336 > > ==================================== > > For clarity, according to the extract given above, the sons of Andrew > Walsh and Jane née Cane were 1. William-Jeremy Walsh, who left no issue. > 2. James Walsh, m. and had three sons and three daus. [...] 3. > Henry-Thomas Walsh, the third son of Jane and Andrew Walsh, of Oatlands, > co. Meath, left no issue. > > Perhaps (2) James Walsh is your man?? > > ajk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

"Alison Kilpatrick" <akilpatrick@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4b85e2cf$0$12459$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net... > News wrote: >> Hello >> >> I want to thank you for your help about "Walsh" >> >> Greetings, >> >> Patrice Hénaff >> >> Bénévole Entraides 44 >> http://genhenaff.free.fr >> http://perso.orange.fr/genhenaff/ > > > Bonjour, Patrice: > > I've been waiting for that excellent web site, seanruad.com, to come back > online, in order to study townland names that might line up with the word > in the document image that you posted to cjoint.com/data/cnjqiWa2qW.htm. > > Though it doesn't appear to match the word precisely, here is a > possibility: Stadalt townland, in the parish of Stamullin, county Meath. > Griffith's Valuation shows a William Walsh at that townland in 1855. > www.failteromhat.com > > Alternate spellings include "Stidalt" and "Stydalt". > http://www.archive.org/stream/registerofwillsi00royarich/registerofwillsi00royarich_djvu.txt > > What do other soc.genealogy.ireland readers think of this as a candidate > in Patrice's search for his elusive Walsh ancestors? I think it's as good a suggestion as any of the 6 other guesses.

Don't take anything you find in "O'Hart's Irish Pedigrees" for the gospel truth unless you can find documentary evidence to back it up. I have a 1923 copy of Vol I of a limited American edition in two volumes, and the man's real purpose was to prove that the Irish descended directly in 46 generations from the biblical Adam to King Milesius. Modern genetics has put a decided stop to that kind of fantasising! O'Hart based a lot of his research on "The Annals of the Four Masters", which most genuine scholars today would recognise as mythopoetic folk history -- much like the genealogies in the Old Testament, or the extant griot traditions in Africa -- which often contains a few grains of truth, but cannot be relied upon in the modern scientific sense. O'Hart is a fine example of the obsessive, fanatical Victorian imagination. I have yet to discover where he found his more recent data, as he gives almost no source information, though I suspect he must have spent his life (the Pedigrees was first published in 1875 and went into four editions; his final preface is dated 1887; and he died in 1902) trawling through contemporary newspapers and directories, and perhaps visiting graveyards. He also clearly favoured the Anglo-Irish aristocracy (mind you, they were the most likely types to be mentioned in the BMD columns of the newspapers of his day). I'm not saying O'Hart can't be useful, as long as you regard entries like the one below as mere starting points towards finding more corroborative evidence. Regards Maureen On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Alison Kilpatrick < akilpatrick@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: > Alison Kilpatrick wrote: > [...] > Found the following item on Google Books: > > Title: Irish pedigrees, or, The origin and stem of the Irish nation > Author: John O'Hart > Publisher: M.H. Gill & Son, Dublin (1881) > > "... Jane, the elder dau. of James Cane, of Inchicore, m. Andrew Walsh, > of Oatlands, co. Meath, and had three sons and a dau. The sons were 1. > William-Jeremy Walsh, who left no issue. 2. James Walsh, m. and had > three sons and three daus. The sons were: 1. William-Henry Walsh, living > unm. in 1879. 2. John Walsh, living unm. in 1879. 3. Henry Walsh, living > in 1879; had one son and three daus. The son is: 1. James Walsh, of > Clifton, England, living in 1879. 3. Henry-Thomas Walsh, the third son > of Jane and Andrew Walsh, of Oatlands, co. Meath, left no issue. ..." > p. 336 > > ==================================== > > For clarity, according to the extract given above, the sons of Andrew > Walsh and Jane née Cane were 1. William-Jeremy Walsh, who left no issue. > 2. James Walsh, m. and had three sons and three daus. [...] 3. > Henry-Thomas Walsh, the third son of Jane and Andrew Walsh, of Oatlands, > co. Meath, left no issue. > > Perhaps (2) James Walsh is your man?? > > ajk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Alison Kilpatrick wrote: [...] > Bonjour, Patrice: > > I've been waiting for that excellent web site, seanruad.com, to come > back online, in order to study townland names that might line up with > the word in the document image that you posted to > cjoint.com/data/cnjqiWa2qW.htm. > > Though it doesn't appear to match the word precisely, here is a > possibility: Stadalt townland, in the parish of Stamullin, county Meath. > Griffith's Valuation shows a William Walsh at that townland in 1855. > www.failteromhat.com [...] Found the following item on Google Books: Title: Irish pedigrees, or, The origin and stem of the Irish nation Author: John O'Hart Publisher: M.H. Gill & Son, Dublin (1881) "... Jane, the elder dau. of James Cane, of Inchicore, m. Andrew Walsh, of Oatlands, co. Meath, and had three sons and a dau. The sons were 1. William-Jeremy Walsh, who left no issue. 2. James Walsh, m. and had three sons and three daus. The sons were: 1. William-Henry Walsh, living unm. in 1879. 2. John Walsh, living unm. in 1879. 3. Henry Walsh, living in 1879; had one son and three daus. The son is: 1. James Walsh, of Clifton, England, living in 1879. 3. Henry-Thomas Walsh, the third son of Jane and Andrew Walsh, of Oatlands, co. Meath, left no issue. ..." p. 336 ==================================== For clarity, according to the extract given above, the sons of Andrew Walsh and Jane née Cane were 1. William-Jeremy Walsh, who left no issue. 2. James Walsh, m. and had three sons and three daus. [...] 3. Henry-Thomas Walsh, the third son of Jane and Andrew Walsh, of Oatlands, co. Meath, left no issue. Perhaps (2) James Walsh is your man?? ajk

News wrote: > Hello > > I want to thank you for your help about "Walsh" > > Greetings, > > Patrice Hénaff > > Bénévole Entraides 44 > http://genhenaff.free.fr > http://perso.orange.fr/genhenaff/ Bonjour, Patrice: I've been waiting for that excellent web site, seanruad.com, to come back online, in order to study townland names that might line up with the word in the document image that you posted to cjoint.com/data/cnjqiWa2qW.htm. Though it doesn't appear to match the word precisely, here is a possibility: Stadalt townland, in the parish of Stamullin, county Meath. Griffith's Valuation shows a William Walsh at that townland in 1855. www.failteromhat.com Alternate spellings include "Stidalt" and "Stydalt". http://www.archive.org/stream/registerofwillsi00royarich/registerofwillsi00royarich_djvu.txt What do other soc.genealogy.ireland readers think of this as a candidate in Patrice's search for his elusive Walsh ancestors? Cheers, Alison

curraveha wrote: > The seanruad website is maintained by Roger who also does the > Leitrim-Roscommon website. > I also was trying to access seanruad and seeing it was down tried the > Leitrim-Roscommon page which was also down so it appears he had server > problems. Both sites are now back online. Excellent news and if Ed Finn sees this message, many many thanks to him for his devotion to maintaining this invaluable site! Cheers, Alison

The seanruad website is maintained by Roger who also does the Leitrim-Roscommon website. I also was trying to access seanruad and seeing it was down tried the Leitrim-Roscommon page which was also down so it appears he had server problems. Both sites are now back online. "Alison Kilpatrick" <akilpatrick@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:4b7d2867$0$12425$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net... > Hi: > > Have not been able to connect with seanruad.com for a few days: does > anyone know if this very useful site is offline? > > Are there alternatives? > > TIA. > > Alison

Hi All This is not a "very American" story at all; it's a truly "Irish" tall tale! If you know anything at all about growing vegetables, you'd know that it cannot possibly be true. First: consider where ballast is kept in any ship; way down in the depths of the holds in special ballast tanks (and in general they used freely available seawater, not soil), well away from sunlight, without which no vegetable can grow. Besides light, vegetables need fresh water; salt water kills plants. In 1896, even if they'd taken aboard a load of Irish sod as ballast, no ship had the capacity to carry the required amount of fresh water to supply a crop of vegetables during a trip around Cape Horn, a notoriously dangerous passage. This is a case of extreme wishful thinking, methinks! Maureen On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 4:34 AM, mattse165 <mattse165@paradise.net.nz>wrote: > This is an interesting account of ship life and gives an insight into what > some settlers and crew managed to do when traveling or immigrating-Elaine > GARDENING ON BOARD SHIP Mowhan > The ship Mowhan, on leaving Belfast for the Columbia river, United States, > took on board as ballast 2000 tons of Irish soil, which, when levelled off, > made quite a stretch of ground, and, as the soil of Ireland is proverbially > fertile the ship's company proceeded to put it to good use by planting a > stock of cabbages, leeks, peas, beans, and so on in it. > The seeds came up alright, and the plants flourished finely, and, when the > ship was in the tropics, grew with great rapidity. The crew and the ship's > apprentices amused themselves by weeding and cultivating the plants, and all > had green vegetables to their heart's content. > As they came round the Horn the garden was replanted, and by the time they > reached the equator everything was a-bloom, and all the hands feasted on > freshly gathered vegetables daily. > The only drawbacks in the garden were the weeds, which grow so rapidly that > they could hardly be kept down, and the drove of pigs which wore kept in the > farmyard attachment, on several occasions, when the ship was bucking into a > nor'-easter and lolling heavily, broke out of bounds and made serious > inroads on the garden. The last pig was killed and served up with green > vegetables just before the Mowhan entered the Columbia river. > On the arrival of the Mowhan at Portland, U.S.A., the Irish soil was > discharged on the wharf, and piled up neatly, as that any exiled patriot who > desired a bit of the "ould sod "could be accommodated.- All of which is a > very American slory indeed. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Martin Search the archives online at the address I provided -- McClees is not too common a surname and his number and rank should enable you to pinpoint him. I haven't used the archives website myself for several years, but as far as I know it's a free service. Maureen On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:30 PM, <Martin.忽帕@nohere.net> wrote: > On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:50:10 +0200, Maureen Brady <roamingg@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >Hi Martin > >Visit www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and search under the military records. > My > >own gggrandfather was in the 45th regiment, headquarters in Nottingham, > >which told me that all military records are centralised at Kew. If you > can't > >get to London yourself, you'll need to appoint a private researcher to > find > >and copy the records for you -- I did this myself several years ago, had a > >computer crash since then so unfortunately lost the email address of the > >fellow I used. I think the website does list a few names though. > > > >You could also Google "57th West Middlesex Regiment Crimea" for background > >on the regiment itself -- about 3,460 sites came up. > >Good luck > > Thank you ver much Maureen > I wouldn't be able to get to london > Would you know if there is anyway that I could verify my info before > appointing a researcher? > -- > Regards > Martin > ©¿©¬ > > > > >On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 8:11 PM, <Martin.??@nohere.net> wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> Apparently my gg-gradfather served with the 57th regiment around > >> 1854/55 gaining 2 silver medals in the crimean war with 3 bars > >> Sebastopol, Inkermann and Balaklava > >> He was corporal no. 1418 James McClees > >> > >> Anyone know how to find the 57th reg, archives site please? > >> -- > >> Martin > >> ©¿©¬ > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> GENIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

This is an interesting account of ship life and gives an insight into what some settlers and crew managed to do when traveling or immigrating-Elaine GARDENING ON BOARD SHIP Mowhan The ship Mowhan, on leaving Belfast for the Columbia river, United States, took on board as ballast 2000 tons of Irish soil, which, when levelled off, made quite a stretch of ground, and, as the soil of Ireland is proverbially fertile the ship's company proceeded to put it to good use by planting a stock of cabbages, leeks, peas, beans, and so on in it. The seeds came up alright, and the plants flourished finely, and, when the ship was in the tropics, grew with great rapidity. The crew and the ship's apprentices amused themselves by weeding and cultivating the plants, and all had green vegetables to their heart's content. As they came round the Horn the garden was replanted, and by the time they reached the equator everything was a-bloom, and all the hands feasted on freshly gathered vegetables daily. The only drawbacks in the garden were the weeds, which grow so rapidly that they could hardly be kept down, and the drove of pigs which wore kept in the farmyard attachment, on several occasions, when the ship was bucking into a nor'-easter and lolling heavily, broke out of bounds and made serious inroads on the garden. The last pig was killed and served up with green vegetables just before the Mowhan entered the Columbia river. On the arrival of the Mowhan at Portland, U.S.A., the Irish soil was discharged on the wharf, and piled up neatly, as that any exiled patriot who desired a bit of the "ould sod "could be accommodated.- All of which is a very American slory indeed.

>From The Constitution or Cork Morning Post, 28 August 1822 - REMOVING THE PORT CULLIS OF PATRICK'S BRIDGE. In our last we were enabled briefly to report the important case, the traversing the presentment for closing the Port Cullus. We now lay the evidence before our readers. FOR THE TRAVERSE. JONES HARRISON, Esq.--Is Port Surveyor; has resided many years in City of Cork ; has been twenty years Port Surveyor, and knows the localities of the river of Cork ; the extent of river and quayage above bridge, is greater than below, taking in both sides of the river ; the population above very considerable ; Mallow-lane and Blarney-lane are north-west of the port cullis ; should think great tanning and other manufactures are carried on in Mallow-lane ; is sure great quantities of potatoes, fish, &c. are carried on above the bridge, as well as some slate and other commodities ; believes the potato-market and bridewell are above bridge ; in his opinion the navigation above the bridge is highly useful ; thinks at times when a great influx of shipping is in the river, quayage is much required below bridge ; there are two docks above bridge, Carroll's and the potato dock ; there is only a blind sort of dock called Haly's, opposite the Custom-house, below bridge, it may be employed for landing deals ; remembers three docks, one at Custom-house, one at South-mall, and one at Lapp's-island ; saw large vessels, brigs, and Portuguese schooners above bridge ; saw vessels taking in provisions for export above bridge at Lavitt's-quay. Cross-examined.--Did live in Cork when the port cullis was built ; saw many vessels above bridge since the Custom-house was removed saw some sizeable vessels discharging herrings in bulk, from the fisheries, above bridge ; the potatoes are conveyed in smaller vessels ; has seen a vessel grounding in the port cullis and stopping the passage ; may have seen it at least 20 times in 20 years, and it may have happened many times more ; never saw a horse go over the chains ; it is not in his recollection to have seen a person falling in ; a gentleman told him this day that his carriage was near going over in consequence of the draw-bridge being up, only the coachman drew up ; believes that it is at present nearly impassable ; the closing of all these docks were esteemed for the public benefit, but that is a matter of opinion, his was, that if these were taken care of they ought not to be stopped ; other quays were greatly improved near the Custom-house, &c. of much benefit to the public ; believes there is a great quantity of coal landed above Parliament Bridge, which must have passed it ; and also above South Bridge coals are landed at French's Quay . . . a great deal are landed on this branch that goes up not in masted vessels at all ; don't remember to have seen a lighter with a fallen mast except one Mr. Church had some years ago ; knows the South Channel ; there is a considerable extent on the South Channel from South Bridge to Custom-house ; a great proportion of the population is lying about the South branch ; George's Quay is a long quay ; there is a long space from that to the wall where quays may be made, but the material of money is wanted ; has seen the quays below Bridge when the easterly winds prevailed, incommoded, for want of room, but not since the peace ; a great many of the private yards for the supply of coals are above Patrick's-Bridge, but does not know of one above North Bridge ; heard people did not pay more for coal above than below Bridge ; it was within his memory that Carlile [sic] Bridge¹ was built in Dublin, and it took a large track greater than that from this place ; knew a road to be made there, and supposes this Port Cullis will be removed by presentment at some future time ; seven of Grand Jury were Harbour Commissioners. ROBERT TYRREL.--Has been in the habit of providing horses for 18 years for the Mail Coach Establishment ; knew of the leaders taking fright in the coach at one time, and falling into the river over the chains, and they were taken up a great way below ; knew of poles, springs, and harness having been broken ; knew the leaders of the Youghal coach breaking the harness in consequence of one side of the bridge being raised three feet, and then running away down Merchant's-quay ; it is not a safe bridge for the Mail to pass in winter and frosty weather ; was obliged to keep a helper there to watch the coach over ; not passable these two days, and the coach must go round by North-bridge. Cross-examined.--Knows the bridge at Glanmire channel, where the Youghal and Waterford Mail travels over--knew of accidents happening on the roads where there was no wooden bridge ; knew of a watch-house and men being kept there formerly to guard Patrick's bridge. MICHAEL POWER.--Saw a man lost there by walking over the bridge, one side being up ; the man watching lifted only one side to leave a lighter go through, and this man walked in and was drowned ; it was after 12 o'clock at night. THOMAS DEANE.--Is an Architect ; knows this Port Cullis ; measured the length of the quays between North and Patrick's bridges ; from North to Patrick's-bridge the quay is 1800 feet, and from Patrick's-bridge to the Custom-house gate is 1600 feet ; three-fourths of the concerns above bridge are in a ruinous state ; made a rough estimate of that part from the North to Patrick's-bridge, by direction of Mr. Griffith, and told him they could be taken down for about £2500 . . . made an estimate of a metal bridge and it amounted to £2000 ; a swivel bridge could not be erected there. The casual repairs would be about £20 per annum, beside two men at 8s. per week . . . the present Port Cullis is rotten in all its timber parts, and is very dangerous and not capable of effectual repair. Cross-examined.--Is employed by the Harbour Commissioners ; has little property below Bridge ; they have quays in the whole tongue of Lapp's-Island ; has contracted for it by public advertisement ; the amount of their contracts has been from £15,000 to £20,000 for quays ; the object of Mr. Griffith was to form one extended quay ; there could be no passage to this intended quay unless one of the houses at Patrick's Bridge was taken down or the Port Cullis stopped. MARY AHERN.--On of the beams of the Port Cullis fell on her foot, and took off one of the joints of her toe ; she was four months in the Infirmary ; this was seven years ago. NICHOLAS SCOLLARD.--Had seen within the last six weeks the coachman jump off the Waterford coach, in consequence of the coach coming against the Port Cullus, and saw two men in the water, who had fallen in. MICHAEL O'BRIEN.--Was by when the man was killed, who was mentioned before by another witness. His LORDSHIP then charged the jury at considerable length ; and after eight hours deliberation, found for the Traverse. Counsel for the Traverse, Messrs. G. Bennett and Jackson; Agent Mr. O. E. Barber. Counsel for the Presentment, Messrs. J. S. Townsend, O'Connell, H. Walsh and Reeves; Agent, Mr. J. Bennett. 1--The Carlyle Bridge across the Liffey in Dublin was renamed the O'Connell Bridge. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

See http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~aherns/ahukrec.htm#naval for an example of Aherns who served in the Royal Navy with a link to the Royal Navy Service Records website and a sample image. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | The Ahern Family Genealogy Website Acton, Massachusetts | http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aherns/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Hi Jen My Irish ancestor too was in the Royal Navy, but I only found out about that by searching census records. On the night of the 1861 census he was recorded as being onboard a Royal Navy vessel. A subsequent search of the National Archives showed nothing at all, but when I queried that with them, they said not all "batches" of data had been added to the website yet but it was still ongoing. 9 months later, I did the search again and found him. If you email the National Archives, they are very helpful and will point you to possible sources. Good luck Theresa -----Original Message----- From: genire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of jen Sent: 21 February 2010 23:47 To: genire@rootsweb.com Subject: How to find Naval records. Hi My Great Grandfather and G G Grandfather of Irish descent were in the Royal Navy as Warrant officer. about 1800 to1860 I have searched National Archives Naval Records but found nothing. Any ideas of were as to look Thank You ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.glass-ts.com/PDFs/GTS_Terms_Conditions.pdf Click below if you wish to pay either company: http://www.britglass.org.uk/payment.php http://www.glass-ts.com/payment/payment.php P please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. http://www.britglass.org.uk/BritishGlass/British_Glass_Environmental_Policy_Statement_-_Mar_08.pdf http://www.glass-ts.com/PDFs/GTS_Environmental_Policy_Statement_-_Mar_08.pdf (Click to view policies) This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this message, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company.

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:46:58 GMT, jen wrote: >Hi >My Great Grandfather and G G Grandfather of Irish descent were in the Royal >Navy as Warrant officer. about 1800 to1860 >I have searched National Archives Naval Records but found nothing. >Any ideas of were as to look >Thank You Go to:- http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/MilitaryRecords.html and scroll down to Navy. Cheers, Tom [Tom Perrett] <tomp@st.net.au>

Hi My Great Grandfather and G G Grandfather of Irish descent were in the Royal Navy as Warrant officer. about 1800 to1860 I have searched National Archives Naval Records but found nothing. Any ideas of were as to look Thank You

On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:18:42 -0800 (PST), suewood wrote: >I am planning to have some research done in Belfast. My last lot of >research there was expensive and achieved very little. Can anyone >recommend a good researcher in this area? > >Thanks Sue Wood > >seeking McClelland in Newtownards answered the identical question in soc.genealogy.australia+nz Cheers, Tom [Tom Perrett] <tomp@st.net.au>