Am in search of information regarding the family of origin of JOHN LYONS, an RC priest and missionary, born circa 1910-15, presumably in Dublin; died in an automobile accident in Africa in the1960's. Members of JOHN LYONS' family are thought to still be living in Dublin, and have some close relationship to the MCKEE family originally from Antrim. Some of whom emigrated to Philadelphia PA 1893. Thanks in advance for any help! Eileen

See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/Cork.htm Cork Family Heritage Centres computerizing parish records Provides search service for a fee See http://tiara.ie/results.htm for customer comments http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/munster/index_co.htm Cork sources for genealogy http://www.sci.net.au/userpages/mgrogan/cork/ire.cork.htm Searchable Pages for County Cork http://www.corkcorp.ie/ourservices/rac/archives/ Cork Archives Institute http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ County Cork GenWeb http://tiara.ie/cork.html Local historical societies in County Cork http://homepage.tinet.ie/~chasoc/index.html Cork Historical & Archaeological Society http://www.skibbheritage.com/index.htm Skibbereen Heritage Centre http://www.4qd.org/youghal/ Youghal Genealogy http://www.ginnisw.com/Cork%20Landowners%201876/Thumb/Thumbs1.htm Landowners in County Cork 1876 http://members.cox.net/hayes1966/guy.htm Guy's Postal Directory 1914 for County Cork http://www.execpc.com/~mcarthey/Irish%20Ancestors/IA-Estate%20records.html Estate Records of County Cork http://www.corkcorp.ie/ourservices/rac/library/ Cork City Library http://www.henneberry.org/data/corkparishes.htm Parishes of County Cork http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/4889/civil.html The Civil and Catholic Parishes of County Cork http://www.execpc.com/~mcarthey/Irish%20Ancestors/IA-Church%20records.html Roman Catholic Church Records for County Cork http://www.cork.anglican.org/Genealogical%20stuff/Cobhgen.html Church of Ireland Parishes of County Cork http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/cork.html County Cork Genealogy Links http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/igsi_published/casey.htm Casey bibliography of North Cork; "O'Kief, Coshe Mang, Slieve Lougher and the Upper Blackwater" http://www.xs4all.nl/~tbreen/Journals/Cork.html Journal of the Cork Historical & Archaeological Society http://www.foundmark.com/Ireland/lists/DownMap/BigMap.JPG Map of Cork County http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/hanson/mapindex.html Civil Parish Maps of County Cork http://www.corkcorp.ie/maps/ Detailed Street Map of Cork City http://www.sci.net.au/userpages/mgrogan/cork/cork_map1.htm Baronies of County Cork http://homepage.tinet.ie/~aocoleman/ Cork Genealogical Society http://www.familia.org.uk/services/eire/cork_city.html Cork City Library Family History Resources http://www.corkandross.org/ Diocese of Cork & Ross http://www.sci.net.au/userpages/mgrogan/cork/cork_map2.htm Map of the Diocese of Cork and Ross http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~colin/Ireland/CorkGraveyards.htm Graveyards of County Cork http://www.askaboutireland.com/pilots/four/index_main.html Estate Papers of County Cork http://www.cork.anglican.org/Parishes_overview.htm Church of Ireland parish registers database for County Cork

Re: Cur Crispin: Everyone knows that a baron is the lowest grade of peerage in Great Britain. Suits him to a tee.

Hi Jim: Please don't let Cur Crispin annoy you. He is truly a royal pain and everyone ignores him. Ignorant and arrogant he is. Slainte, Peg

Hownhelcymru@aol.com wrote: > > > On 27/06/2005 5:56 AM, Jim McCormick wrote: > > I am trying to locate information about my g-uncle who participated in the > rebellion (1916 - 1921). He was an active member of the IRA and was > incarcerated by the British forces during that period. < > > I found my patriots names [McGinley] in the book "Frongoch, University of > Revolution" by Sean O Mahony [first published 1987 by FDR Teoranta]. It is a > very interesting book and it lists those [1,804] who were imprisoned in > Frongoch. It is taken from the Camp Register maintained by the General Council. It > is stated that the author would have liked to have had sight of the British > Register but that he could find no such record in the Public Record Office in > London [now the National Archives]. I can see no McCormack from Cavan in these > lists; but there are two who give Dublin addresses > > There are also lists of names of those "prisoners deported and released" in > 1916 in the book "1916 Rebellion Handbook" reprinted in 1998 by the Mourne > River Press. There are several McCormacks in these lists. > > I have assumed that the name you were looking for was McCormick, as I missed > the original posting. Hope this helps, > > Helenor > > Dear Helenor, If you have the time/inclination and still have access to the books you mention, I would be very grateful of you could lookup a great-uncle of mine, who was deported/interned in 1916. He was Peter Smyth (Smith) of Enniscorthy Co Wexford. We would love to obtain some details of where/when he was interned, etc. Best regards, Edward Doyle

Have relatives born in Bandon, nr Cork around 1795-1800 (Catholics), and possibly married there.. Is there much online, and if so, where's the best site? -- Budgie NB Reply to newsgroup. Email address will get you nowhere.

On 27/06/2005 5:56 AM, Jim McCormick wrote: > I am trying to locate information about my g-uncle who participated in the rebellion (1916 - 1921). He was an active member of the IRA and was incarcerated by the British forces during that period. < I found my patriots names [McGinley] in the book "Frongoch, University of Revolution" by Sean O Mahony [first published 1987 by FDR Teoranta]. It is a very interesting book and it lists those [1,804] who were imprisoned in Frongoch. It is taken from the Camp Register maintained by the General Council. It is stated that the author would have liked to have had sight of the British Register but that he could find no such record in the Public Record Office in London [now the National Archives]. I can see no McCormack from Cavan in these lists; but there are two who give Dublin addresses There are also lists of names of those "prisoners deported and released" in 1916 in the book "1916 Rebellion Handbook" reprinted in 1998 by the Mourne River Press. There are several McCormacks in these lists. I have assumed that the name you were looking for was McCormick, as I missed the original posting. Hope this helps, Helenor

From The Cork Examiner, 1 January 1866 - A court martial sitting at Bari, on the 18th inst., condemned the brigand chief Cinociariello to death, and the sentence was carried out the next morning by shooting him in the back. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

"Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> wrote in message news:d9rcpe$bpk$2@pcls4.std.com... > Graham Coward <cowardz@zalphalink.com.au> wrote: > : On 27/06/2005 5:56 AM, Jim McCormick wrote: > :> I am trying to locate information about my g-uncle who participated in > the > :> rebellion (1916 - 1921). He was an active member of the IRA and was > :> incarcerated by the British forces during that period. I understand > that if > :> I have his regiment, I may be able to get his service information from > the > :> GRO in Dublin. Can anyone tell me where I might be able to get a list > of > :> the IRA regiments by county? (He was from Cavan.) > :> > : I too would like to locate these documents. However as Ireland was part > : of the UK at the time and the "Volunteers" as I believe they were called > : were an illegal organization, I very much doubt that they exist. > > I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the possibility of there having been > records of service in pre-Republic military units. Wasn't there some sort > of pension or allowance available for men who had served? They must have > had to been able to prove their service. > > -dja > Having recently attempted to get through Malachy McCourt's memoir, "Angela's Ashes", I believe you are correct that there were records kept. Mr. McCourt's father attempted to obtain such a pension according to the book. I don't believe that my g-uncle ever attempted to collect, however.

david shaffner wrote: > The IRA factions that allied themselves with the Free State > became the Irish Defense Force and the Anti-Treaty factions were > outlawed and are the ancestors of the Provos. This is a false dichotomy employed by those who wish to praise the old IRA of 1916-1921 while condemning the modern Provisional IRA. It conveniently ignores the fact that it is an undifferentiated old IRA (ie: both pro and anti treaty units) operating in the territory that became Northern Ireland that is the major ancestral component of the modern Provisional IRA. -- SIABAIR (Old Irish) /shabba/ 'ghost', 'phantom', 'spectre'

jrileysrie@yahoo.ie wrote: > I must respond to the note below...by someone who say > he is a 'Sir (bt)' meaning his ancestors served the > murderous, rapist, genocidical royal family of days > long gone by. Someone who by definition, using his > title assumes he is better by (blue) blood than others > with the red, human blood that passes through all our > veins. > > 'Sir,' how dare you assult the loyal Irish and even > attempt to say that traitors who serviced your king or > queen served loyally? Or, maybe the poor unfortunates > forced to service your king or queen were 'loyal' like > a woman being raped is loyal to her rapist? > > The tragedy of what happened in Ireland over hundreds > of years is now recognized by Amnesty International > and all freedom loving people around the world. Your > kind, and ilk and 'cult' around the royals is losing > ground, even in England, where people are finally > realizing that a foreign family came to rule England, > only to suck it dry of money, live a life of privelege > and incestually in-breed because they think themselves > superior in a conceited, and if you study their > history of patricide and fratricide, indeed, they are > the least 'noble' amongst any peoples anywhere in the > world! > > So, maybe you consider freedom fighters 'barbarous > murder gangs,' but I sir, consider them and the > American forefathers who fought and defeated the SAME > enemy, heroes! Maybe you think kissing the royal arse > to be 'noble,' I think you should research what > service was performed by your ancestor (maybe he > killed some helpless Catholic priests, or beat and > raped some nuns...maybe he killed babies for the crown > or imprisoned, tortured and starved some people in > India, or addicted some Chinese to opium as a royal > drug pusher, or sold slaves in the Americas or > Indies...or maybe he just killed some helpless, > un-armed and defenseless people somewhere else for the > glory or the crown and to expnad the empire?) and > maybe atone for those sins against humanity that built > the wealth of Elizabeth, Charles and his whore. > > I know this sounds bitterly strong, and indeed, I > apologize to the British subjects who would never > support such actions. I have friends in and from > England, and I know there are good, great and > even...yes, noble people in the territories of Great > Britain, some of whom like the royals for Arthurian, > romantic notions. I understand, even the idea of > somekind of a divine right of kings sounds reassuring. > > > But, please 'Sir,' do not assail the brave men and > women who died because one man (usually) thought he > should own and manage a people. A man who perhaps > killed his father or mother, a brother or sister with > the jealous notion that indeed, he should be > king....or his filthy and again, dare I say it, > inbreed children, grandchildren, etc...it's the same > as saying the only loyal Germans were Nazi's or > Russians were the communists...and maybe we should > salute Hitler's children or grandchildren. > > In the end, a king is nothing more or less that a > dictator who loves ceremony and ritual. A king can at > times be benevolent, yet he always holds his subjects > in a kind of bondage of infiority, even as a 'Sir' you > are 'beneath him and his family.' Throughout history, > these people have used people like chess pieces, pawns > and useless fodder only good for taxing and beating > into submission. > > Yes, in Ireland we too had kings, but there were > gatherings and votes, a kind of Irish democracy. > Serving YOUR royals was not loyal, it was serving a > foreign lord who was 'given' Ireland by a corrupt > Pope. I know and love the British people...they are > NOT the enemy. But Elizabeth and Charles are > charlitans at best and disgusting excuses for human > beings with no concience or feeling for anything but > their own pleasure. > > God Bless the Irish!~ > > Jim Riley > What a load of obnoxious twaddle. Always facinating how the terrorists and their friends try to portray cowardly murderers and common criminals as "heroes" and black as white. Do I really have to point out that these "heroes" and "feedom fighters" were the allies of first Kaiser Bill and the Grand Turk, and then, these having proven deficient, turned to Herr Hitler, who they certainly saluted? We British will have none of it! As for myself, I don't assume that I am better, I know it. That, after all, is the whole point of an hereditary honour from the Crown. Yours, etc. Sir Crispin Gaylord, Bt. p.s. grandpater certainly knew how to use the business end of a sword-bayonet

Baptisms seen in passing....... 10.3 1867 Margt of Christ Twamley and Jane Mara SS Cath Shannon. Another child to the above parents named James in 7.1.1870.SS Robt Doyle and Mary Meara. 13.12 1858 Chris to Chris Twamley and Jane Warde SS John Olohan and Mary Doyle. Brian Website: http://www.geocities.com/stassam.geo/dublin.html

On 27/06/2005 5:56 AM, Jim McCormick wrote: > I am trying to locate information about my g-uncle who participated in the > rebellion (1916 - 1921). He was an active member of the IRA and was > incarcerated by the British forces during that period. I understand that if > I have his regiment, I may be able to get his service information from the > GRO in Dublin. Can anyone tell me where I might be able to get a list of > the IRA regiments by county? (He was from Cavan.) > > I too would like to locate these documents. However as Ireland was part of the UK at the time and the "Volunteers" as I believe they were called were an illegal organization, I very much doubt that they exist. -- Please reply to group or reply "off-group" by removing the two "z"s from my e-mail address. Graham Coward Melbourne, Australia ===================== Coward Family History Web Site http://www.alphalink.com.au/~coward/

I must respond to the note below...by someone who says he is a 'Sir (bt)' meaning his ancestors served the murderous, rapist, genocidical royal family of days long gone by. Someone who by definition, using his title assumes he is better by (blue) blood than others with the red, human blood that passes through all our veins. 'Sir,' how dare you assult the loyal Irish and even attempt to say that traitors who serviced your king or queen served loyally? Or, maybe the poor unfortunates forced to service your king or queen were 'loyal' like a woman being raped is loyal to her rapist? The tragedy of what happened in Ireland over hundreds of years is now recognized by Amnesty International and all freedom loving people around the world. Your kind, and ilk and 'cult' around the royals is losing ground, even in England, where people are finally realizing that a foreign family came to rule England, only to suck it dry of money, live a life of privelege and incestually in-breed because they think themselves superior in a conceited, and if you study their history of patricide and fratricide, indeed, they are the least 'noble' amongst any peoples anywhere in the world! So, maybe you consider freedom fighters 'barbarous murder gangs,' but I sir, consider them and the American forefathers who fought and defeated the SAME enemy, heroes! Maybe you think kissing the royal arse to be 'noble,' I think you should research what service was performed by your ancestor (maybe he killed some helpless Catholic priests, or beat and raped some nuns...maybe he killed babies for the crown or imprisoned, tortured and starved some people in India, or addicted some Chinese to opium as a royal drug pusher, or sold slaves in the Americas or Indies...or maybe he just killed some helpless, un-armed and defenseless people somewhere else for the glory or the crown and to expnad the empire?) and maybe atone for those sins against humanity that built the wealth of Elizabeth, Charles and his whore. I know this sounds bitterly strong, and indeed, I apologize to the British subjects who would never support such actions. I have friends in and from England, and I know there are good, great and even...yes, noble people in the territories of Great Britain, some of whom like the royals for Arthurian, romantic notions. I understand, even the idea of somekind of a divine right of kings sounds reassuring. But, please 'Sir,' do not assail the brave men and women who died because one man (usually) thought he should own and manage a people. A man who perhaps killed his father or mother, a brother or sister with the jealous notion that indeed, he should be king....or his filthy and again, dare I say it, inbreed children, grandchildren, etc...it's the same as saying the only loyal Germans were Nazi's or Russians were the communists...and maybe we should salute Hitler's children or grandchildren. In the end, a king is nothing more or less that a dictator who loves ceremony and ritual. A king can at times be benevolent, yet he always holds his subjects in a kind of bondage of infiority, even as a 'Sir' you are 'beneath him and his family.' Throughout history, these people have used people like chess pieces, pawns and useless fodder only good for taxing and beating into submission. Yes, in Ireland we too had kings, but there were gatherings and votes, a kind of Irish democracy. Serving YOUR royals was not loyal, it was serving a foreign lord who was 'given' Ireland by a corrupt Pope. I know and love the British people...they are NOT the enemy. But Elizabeth and Charles are charlitans at best and disgusting excuses for human beings with no concience or feeling for anything but their own pleasure. God Bless the Irish!~ Jim Riley --- sir_crispin@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Sir, > Since when have barbarous murder gangs been > graced with the style > of "regiments"? The only Irish regiments at that > time were those which > loyally fought for King and Country against the > Huns, Turks, Bulgarians > and their native Irish rebel allies > > Yours, etc. > > Sir Crispin Gaylord, Bt. > > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:56:19 GMT, "Jim McCormick" <jimmccormick235@earthlink.net> wrote: >I am trying to locate information about my g-uncle who participated in the >rebellion (1916 - 1921). He was an active member of the IRA and was >incarcerated by the British forces during that period. I understand that if >I have his regiment, I may be able to get his service information from the >GRO in Dublin. Can anyone tell me where I might be able to get a list of >the IRA regiments by county? (He was from Cavan.) > Try the Irish Defense Force Archives. Go to http://www.military.ie/military_archives/index.html Don't think it is searchable via the web, just list what they have in their collection. You also might try various sources in Cavan itself. The IRA of this era split into Pro-Treaty and Anti-Treaty factions during the Civil War. The IRA factions that allied themselves with the Free State became the Irish Defense Force and the Anti-Treaty factions were outlawed and are the ancestors of the Provos.

Gary <v55rayo@cogeco.ca> wrote: : The family book indicates James Patrick Hayes born March 17 1800 in : Dharwar India. Married Elizabeth Fermier, the daughter of John Fermier : and Jane MacKay. The family book does not have JPH parent's listed : and I would like to obtain the names of his mother and father to : continue my research. See: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~clday/index.html Family History in India : The family stories indicate my ancestor's moved from County Cork, : Ireland. A black and white picture of my Great Great Grandfather with : his family, all appear to be wearing a County Cork Tartan. However, not : sure and would like to confirm which ancestor and when they moved to India. First, I ask how does one identify a tartan from a black and white photograph? The distinction between one tartan and another is dependent on color as well as pattern. And the fabrication of tartans associated with Irish counties is a very recent attempt at creating a new market for woolen material. -dja

Graham Coward <cowardz@zalphalink.com.au> wrote: : On 27/06/2005 5:56 AM, Jim McCormick wrote: :> I am trying to locate information about my g-uncle who participated in the :> rebellion (1916 - 1921). He was an active member of the IRA and was :> incarcerated by the British forces during that period. I understand that if :> I have his regiment, I may be able to get his service information from the :> GRO in Dublin. Can anyone tell me where I might be able to get a list of :> the IRA regiments by county? (He was from Cavan.) :> : I too would like to locate these documents. However as Ireland was part : of the UK at the time and the "Volunteers" as I believe they were called : were an illegal organization, I very much doubt that they exist. I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the possibility of there having been records of service in pre-Republic military units. Wasn't there some sort of pension or allowance available for men who had served? They must have had to been able to prove their service. -dja

From The Limerick Reporter, 29 November 1839 - The ship Ann Crichton, of Belfast, sailed from Liverpool on Friday, for New Orleans. The ship Agitator, of Belfast, John Wilson, master, arrived there from Quebec, on Saturday, with a cargo of timber, deals, and staves. The Economy, of Newry, Quin, master, ashore some days back at Glenluce bay, has been got off without having a butt or treenail started. The schooner William & Mary, Budd, from Wick to Waterford, has put in this week to Islay with loss of main boom, chain, and anchor. The sloop Bee, of Workington, has been totally lost at Kirkmaiden, and every soul on board perished. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:23:48 +0000 (UTC), jrileysrie@yahoo.ie wrote: >I must respond to the note below...by someone who says >he is a 'Sir (bt)' meaning his ancestors served the >murderous, rapist, genocidical royal family of days >long gone by. Someone who by definition, using his >title assumes he is better by (blue) blood than others >with the red, human blood that passes through all our >veins. > >'Rest snipped... > > >t > >God Bless the Irish!~ > >Jim Riley > > Jim: Don't let Sir Crispy bother you. Most people on this newsgroup ignore him. He's not titled....he's just a pain in the ass. Put him in your killfile. Jeanne >> > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Dennis, You are correct. The Dail Eireann (Irish Parliament, duly elected in the 1918 General Election) in January 1919 set up all departments needed to run a country including a court system and an army. The Irish Volunteers became the army of the Irish Repubic and soon became known as the Irish Republican Army. There is an army list of the brigades by county, during the Irish War of Independence. A copy of the list is included in a book of essays about the Irish War of Indpendence - With the I.R.A. in the Fight For Freedom 1919 to the Truce. I have the book on loan from a library. You can contact me off list if you want a name checked. Graham I sent you an email off list but it bounced back. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Ahern To: GENIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 4:37 AM Subject: Re: IRA regiments - 1916 - 1921 Graham Coward <cowardz@zalphalink.com.au> wrote: : On 27/06/2005 5:56 AM, Jim McCormick wrote: :> I am trying to locate information about my g-uncle who participated in the :> rebellion (1916 - 1921). He was an active member of the IRA and was :> incarcerated by the British forces during that period. I understand that if :> I have his regiment, I may be able to get his service information from the :> GRO in Dublin. Can anyone tell me where I might be able to get a list of :> the IRA regiments by county? (He was from Cavan.) :> : I too would like to locate these documents. However as Ireland was part : of the UK at the time and the "Volunteers" as I believe they were called : were an illegal organization, I very much doubt that they exist. I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the possibility of there having been records of service in pre-Republic military units. Wasn't there some sort of pension or allowance available for men who had served? They must have had to been able to prove their service. -dja