> Try the Irish Defense Force Archives. Go to > http://www.military.ie/military_archives/index.html > Don't think it is searchable via the web, just list what they have in > their collection. > > You also might try various sources in Cavan itself. The IRA of this > era split into Pro-Treaty and Anti-Treaty factions during the Civil > War. The IRA factions that allied themselves with the Free State > became the Irish Defense Force and the Anti-Treaty factions were > outlawed and are the ancestors of the Provos. > I too am interested in this period of Irish history. My father was born in 1905 in Dublin and like many people, I wish so much that I had asked him these questions before he and the rest of his contemporary family died. I have recently returned from a long-delayed trip to Dublin to re acquaint myself with my irish cousins and wish to discover the role my father played in the 'post treaty' days of the 1920s. I once recall him telling me of the time when, as a 'very young man', he travelled the country by train, armed with a pistol to deter 'rebels'. He never mentioned it again and I have no other clues, but later reading of the split of the pro and anti treaty republicans post 1922, he might have been employed in some official capacity by the new Free State government. Over meals with my Dublin family and the passage of much wine, guarded comments and arguments were made about the parts taken by the various membersof the family in that period, including those who were 'never to return' following the sides and favours taken by them. Where would I search for more information on this subject?

See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/Dublin.htm Dublin Family Heritage Centre computerizing parish records Provides search service for a fee See http://tiara.ie/results.htm for customer comments http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/leinster/index_du.htm County Dublin sources for genealogy http://www.familia.org.uk/services/eire/dun_laogh.html Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown Library Family History Resources http://www.dublincitypubliclibraries.ie Dublin City Archives at the Gilbert Library http://www.rootsweb.com/~irldub/ County Dublin GenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/dublin.html County Dublin Fianna Page http://www.familia.org.uk/services/eire/dublin.html Dublin Public Library Family History Resources http://ireland.iol.ie/resource/dubcitylib/archives.htm Dublin City Archive http://www.glasnevin-cemetery.ie Glasnevin Cemetery, in Dublin http://indigo.ie/~kfinlay/cemeteries/cemindex.htm History of the Dublin Catholic Cemeteries http://www.loughman.dna.ie/dublin1850/index.html Dublin Directory of 1850 http://indigo.ie/~kfinlay/Dublin%20Streets/dubindex.htm Index to Dublin Street Names http://www.eneclann.ie/publications-5.asp The 1851 Dublin City Census CD from Eneclann

From The Cork Examiner, 11 March 1864 - DESIRABLE RESIDENCE. -------- TO BE LET, from 25th MARCH, FURNISHED, GLANDORE COTTAGE, consisting of 3 Sitting and Six Bed Rooms, with Offices, beautifully situate on the highly picturesque harbour of Glendore. Apply to Captain FITZJAMES BARRY, R.M., Dungarvan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

"Mike" <bakerdivert@lava.net> wrote in message news:11dvs0jjhi02u92@corp.supernews.com... > > Btw, I learned that Desmond means DE South MUNster. > Yes, and Thomond (Tuad Mhuhan) means North Munster

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, September 2, 1824 LINEN TRADE - On Tuesday last, pursuant to appointment by P. Bernard, Esq. of the Linen Board, a meeting was held in the Court-house, Newcastle, which was attended by the Ladies and Gentleman of the town and vicinity, together with the weavers and other persons interested in the Linen Trade. Mr. Bernard addressed the meeting in a most clear and impressive manner, and earnestly recommended the establishment of a Linen Market, to be held weekly. He stated, in consequence of the poverty of the weavers, that a loan should be procured to enable them to purchase thread, &c. He said that the town and neighbourhood of Newcastle would be greatly benefited by adopting the system recommended by the Board. In part of the North of Ireland there were upwards of seven hundred people to the square mile, all industrious and comfortable; while in part of the County of Clare, where the manufacture of flax is not attended to, although there are not more than two hundred people to the square mile, they are nearly all paupers. Mr. Bernard, accompanied by a Dutch boy, proceeded to a field of flax belonging to Mr. Furlong, where he explained to a concourse of people, the method of preparing flax according to the Dutch system.--Observer. LINEN TRADE, FLAX, &c. The crop of flax this year is abundant and good throughout the County; and we are happy to hear that the experiment which his Grace, the Archbishop of Tuam, with his usual benevolent attention to every thing concerning the improvement of our peasantry undertook to make, has exceeded beyond any person's expectations. His Grace took about five acres of land, on which he sowed equal quantities of Dutch, Riga, American and home-saved seed; this crop has been pulled, and t he return of the home-saved is better and more abundant than any others- a manifest proof not only that we need not, but that we ought not, to send any of our capital out of the country, on account of those articles of necessary consumption. There is a person now there from the Linen Board, for the purpose of rippling, steeping, &c. in the new mode, which the neighbouring peasantry, of course, will observe and imitate. ----------------- Between the hours of one and two o'clock on Sunday morning, as Mr. M'Naughten, of Grafton-street, was returning to town, he was stopped on the Donnybrook road, near Leeson-street, by three men and a woman, and robbed of a valuable silver watch and gold seal. He was held by the woman and one of the men, while the other two men committed the felony. He was prevented from apprehending one of the robbers by the woman; he however succeeded in securing her, and charged her on the Watch. She was brought to College-street Office, where she gave in her name as Jane Sunderland. She was fully committed to Newgate to take her trial. COMMITTALS. Mr. Burke, our Mayor, has taken off the streets and committed to prison about 30 of the most notorious vagrants who have frequented our streets; and will indict them as such at our next General Assizes. Mr. Burke's activity on this occasion is indeed very praiseworthy. PORT NEWS Arrived, this day, his Majesty's gun-brig Plumper, Lieut. Hutchinson, Commander. This meritorious and active Officer has, we are glad to find, been again appointed to this station, where his former services ( for nearly four years in the protection of the fisheries) have been so efficient and praiseworthy.- It had been the intention of the respectable inhabitants of this place to forward to the Board of Admiralty a memorial, praying his re-appointment; but the high sense entertained by the Board of his zeal and services, rendered this application unnecessary. On Tuesday, his Majesty's brig of war Harlequin, Captain Weeks, from a cruise. Previous to the arrive of the Harlequin our Roads, she fell in with the sloop Liberty, of this Port, the crew of which vessel Captain Weeks kindly accommodated with provisions, water, &c. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Hi Dennis Thank you for those links I will look into them regards Wendy(Australia) Dennis Ahern wrote: > See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/Dublin.htm > Dublin Family Heritage Centre computerizing parish records > Provides search service for a fee > See http://tiara.ie/results.htm for customer comments > > http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/leinster/index_du.htm > County Dublin sources for genealogy > > http://www.familia.org.uk/services/eire/dun_laogh.html > Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown Library Family History Resources > > http://www.dublincitypubliclibraries.ie > Dublin City Archives at the Gilbert Library > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irldub/ > County Dublin GenWeb > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/dublin.html > County Dublin Fianna Page > > http://www.familia.org.uk/services/eire/dublin.html > Dublin Public Library Family History Resources > > http://ireland.iol.ie/resource/dubcitylib/archives.htm > Dublin City Archive > > http://www.glasnevin-cemetery.ie > Glasnevin Cemetery, in Dublin > > http://indigo.ie/~kfinlay/cemeteries/cemindex.htm > History of the Dublin Catholic Cemeteries > > http://www.loughman.dna.ie/dublin1850/index.html > Dublin Directory of 1850 > > http://indigo.ie/~kfinlay/Dublin%20Streets/dubindex.htm > Index to Dublin Street Names > > http://www.eneclann.ie/publications-5.asp > The 1851 Dublin City Census CD from Eneclann

This is old but......*blink* I just joined this and I don't think so. Cause every image I've seen of my Irish ancestors is that they have NO butts. And it carried down through my dad and us girls. lol Where'd you hear that from anyhow? Wimbledonian wrote: > Winnie Oakbob wrote: > >> I heard that you can find out if you have Irish blood in your venes by >> looking at your butt, because the Irish have the fattest butts in the >> world. >> >> Is that true and is that the reason for my elephant-butt ? > > > No - and it's 'VEINS'

new records have been added to the Lurgan Ancestry Website today July 21st www.lurganancestry.net all records are free to research and copy regards Martin

From The Cork Examiner, 1 January 1864 - ODD FELLOWS' SOCIETY--CORK DISTRICT. ---------- THE annual district meeting was held on Wednesday evening, 30th December, Mr. D. HERBERT, G.M., in the chair. The Corresponding Secretary read the year's accounts, which showed that the Society had prospered to a great extent during the past year. The Rev. Doctor Price, of the Aberdare District, Wales, was unanimously nominated as a candidate for the office of Deputy Grand Master of the Unity. Mr. John Trounce was elected Grand Master of the District, and Mr. W. J. Murray, Deputy Grand Master. The thanks of the District, with a suitable testimonial, were passed to the outgoing Grand Master for the admirable manner in which he performed his duties. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

"Details of the lives of the unrecorded Roman Catholic majority in rural Ireland can be glimpsed only from ephemeral literature in English and from the Gaelic poetry of the four provinces." - Britannica article on Ireland, 18c history What do you do when confronted with the lack of genealogical records of this group? Anyone to confirm and/or suggest specific writers for Munster pre 19c? Btw, I learned that Desmond means DE South MUNster.

Looking for descendants of Anna MacWilliams nee Murphy who was the sister of my ggGrandmother Mary Margaret West nee Murphy Anna married Alexander MacWilliams on 14 Jun 1909 in Dublin Ireland,they had twins a boy & Girl born before 1911 and then had a daughter Margaret Frances who was born 19 Oct 1911. This information was taken from a letter that was sent by Anna in June 1912 from Dublin to my ggGrandmother in Australia Any information on this family would be most appreciated as I'm trying to fill in the gaps in my family tree Thank You Wendy

Frank Duggan <frankeyd@bigpond.com.au> wrote: : I came across an item saying that Col Thomas Coote came to Ireland with : Cromwell and c.1653 claimed 17,000 plantation acres at/near Cootehill, co : Cavan. Shouldn't the item read 1,700 acres? The thousands quoted seems : excessive. When I first read this, I thought there couldn't possibly be 17,000 acres in the town of Cootehill, but then it occurred to me that the 17,000 acres could be the sum total of various tracts throughout Ireland awarded to Thomas Coote of Cootehill and then it made sense. -dja

From The Constitution or Cork Morning Post, 11 September 1822 - SHIPPING NEWS. COVE OF CORK, SEPT. 9--WIND W. ARRIVED, His Majesty Brig Race Horse. Hawk of Cork, Roe, Barbadoes sugar, &c. SAILED, Bee Hive of Plymouth, Foott, London, butter. Commerce of and for Portsmouth, Marrant, oats, &c. SEPT. 10. .WIND W--3 P.M.--ARRIVED, None, SAILED, Thomas and Ann, coaster, whiskey, &c. for Beerhaven James and John, coaster, coals, Kinsale. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild, Irish Maritime News Acton, Mass. | http://immigrantships.net/newsarticles/newsarticles.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Dear Researchers I'd like to draw your attention for a major update and new url of Surname Navigator Ireland, a simple one input-form mega search engine for surnames and "cross-border" emigration research. There is a global version and separate versions for 45 countries. Researchers can save many hours using mega search engines such as these. Some have reported excellent results For Ireland the following databases or forums are included: LDS (Mormons) Ireland, All Databases - Geneanet Ireland - Google genealogy Ireland - Google News Gen. Ireland - Rootsweb Message Board Ireland - RSL Ireland - Irish passengers New York, 1892-1924 - Ireland Old Newspapers - Irish Migration To NB (CAN), 1845/1852 - Irish Born Censuses UK/US/CAN - Moving Here, Irish Community UK - Cousin Connect, Irish Names - 1901 Census of County Clare - Genforum Ireland - Ireland E-mail addresses - LDS (N)-Ireland, All Databases - LDS N-Ireland Ancestral File - Google genealogy N-Ireland - Google News Gen. N-Ireland - Rootsweb Message Board Ulster - RSL N-Ireland - Genforum N-Ireland - Freeholders Records http://www.kuijsten.de/navigator/ireland new url !!! Happy Hunting Rob Kuijsten http://www.surnamenavigator.org

Saturday, July 30, 2005 Massachusetts Genealogical Council Annual Conference Marlborough, Mass. TIARA has added the following to the day's schedule. Full details and registration at http://tiara.ie/marlboro.htm. * Mary Choppa: "What To Do Before You Go--Beginners" * Dennis Ahern: "What To Do When You're There--North" * David Collins: "What To Do Before You Go--Intermediate" * Marie Daly: "What To Do When You're There--South" * Maryellen Grogan: "What To Do When You're There--South"

DMarvin416@aol.com wrote: : please take me off your lists. doreen Some people, particularly in areas where telephone charges affect cost of access to the Internet, subscribe to email lists in order to read this newsgroup. The mailing list gatewayed with the soc.genealogy.ireland newsgroup is called GENIRE, and can be received either directly, through GENIRE-L or in digest mode from GENIRE-D. A computer is not a sentient being. Once you have managed to subscribe to one of these mailing lists, the only way to stop getting messages is to say the magic word. The magic word is unsubscribe. If you say the magic word in the correct manner, a duck will not descend from the ceiling with money in its bill, but you will be removed from the list. To leave GENIRE-L, send mail to GENIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word unsubscribe in the message subject and body. To leave GENIRE-D, do the same thing with GENIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com. See http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/GENIRE.html for further information on subscribing to GENIRE, or on viewing the archives of messages that have been posted. -dja

From The Irish Times, 9 November 1922 - COUNTY CORK. WAYSIDE FIGHT. DEAD MAN LABELLED "SHOT AS SPY." The body of a man named William Aherne, aged 30, was found at Bishopstown, near Cork, at about 9.30 o'clock on Tuesday evening. On the body was a label inscribed, "Shot as spy.--I.R.A." Aherne was a native of the district. The body was brought by national soldiers into Cork Hospital. A military inquiry will be held. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Hi Frank, For the Plantation period, 17,000 acres was not an unusual amount to be granted. The land was taken from the native Irish and given to the planters from England and Scotland. The Duke of York later James II and Theobald Taaffe, Earl of Carlingford were at one time the largest land beneficiaries of the Plantation of Ireland. Another major beneficiary was Erasmus Smith who at one time was the largest land owner in Ireland. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Duggan To: GENIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:50 AM Subject: Coote Plantation I came across an item saying that Col Thomas Coote came to Ireland with Cromwell and c.1653 claimed 17,000 plantation acres at/near Cootehill, co Cavan. Shouldn't the item read 1,700 acres? The thousands quoted seems excessive. Frank Duggan

This book talks of Huguenots émigrés coming to Youghal. Then it says "The Corporation being entirely Protestant, welcomed them with open arms". What is the Corporation? Also reference is made to the census of 1659. I was not aware of any such early census.

"Tabby" <tabby@large.it> wrote in message news:daj3eh$6la$1@reader01.news.esat.net... but are there other > circumstances > where this could happen? People change religions. Perhaps the parents were Catholics in all but name, and wanted the child officialized. Not that I've ever seen such a case. Date and location of your example might help. In Ireland, a lot of early-modern, protestant émigrés 'went native'. I myself am trying to use my received denomination as an indicator of how long my ancestors had been there, or whether they were native, and where they may have come from previously.