I wonder if anyone on this list has information on the Cannon family who are descendants on the Irish Patriot James Napper Tandy? There was a Dr A. Tandy Cannon who died in 1981 at Tralee Co Kerry. I'd be interested to be in touch with members of his family. David Morris (descendant of Edward Tandy (d 1812) of Charlemont St, Dublin). Kimberley, South Africa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean J Murphy" <sjbmurphy@SPAMOUTeircom.net> To: <> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: Barony of Clare > An article in today's Sunday Times, Irish Edition, deals with the offer > for sale by Manorial Auctioneers of the bogus Barony of Clare, asking > price £60,000(€86,000): > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,2765-1706219,00.html > > Sean Murphy > Irish 'Feudal Titles' > http://homepage.eircom.net/~seanjmurphy/chiefs/feudaltitles.htm > >

I'm searching for information regarding my great-grandfather: John B King (Born: Ireland) and my great-grandmother: Ella (Ellen) (Ferry) King. Also, my Aunt: Anna King (born possibly around 1862 in Ireland). They came to NYC and I'm unable to find them on any ship. I know they had 5 more children. Any help you can give me would be much appreciated, along with any assistance in my search. Regards......Belinda

"Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> wrote in message news:dble1r$97m$2@pcls4.std.com... > Frank Duggan <frankeyd@bigpond.com.au> wrote: > : I came across an item saying that Col Thomas Coote came to Ireland with > : Cromwell and c.1653 claimed 17,000 plantation acres at/near Cootehill, > co > : Cavan. Shouldn't the item read 1,700 acres? The thousands quoted > seems > : excessive. > > When I first read this, I thought there couldn't possibly be 17,000 acres > in the town of Cootehill, but then it occurred to me that the 17,000 acres > could be the sum total of various tracts throughout Ireland awarded to > Thomas Coote of Cootehill and then it made sense. > > -dja There is an estate near Kilmallock, Co. Limerick, named "Mount Coote." Gerry

An article in today's Sunday Times, Irish Edition, deals with the offer for sale by Manorial Auctioneers of the bogus Barony of Clare, asking price £60,000(€86,000): http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,2765-1706219,00.html Sean Murphy Irish 'Feudal Titles' http://homepage.eircom.net/~seanjmurphy/chiefs/feudaltitles.htm

From The Irish Times, 9 November 1922 - COUNTY SLIGO CLOONACOOL SHOOTING. DEAD MAN'S WIFE TELLS HER STORY. Dr. O'Hart held an inquest on Frank Scanlon, creamery manager, Cloonacool, Tubbercurry, who was shot on Monday morning by a raiding party of national troops. Mrs. Scanlon, wife of the deceased man, stated that when a knock came to the door at 2.30 a.m. her husband looked out of the window, and was told to "open the door quick, or he would be made." He said, "Don't, don't." She went down and opened the door, and her husband rushed out of the back door. At the same time she heard two shots and an hour . . . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Or even noble ! Brian "Steven Smyrl" <smyrl@indigo.ie> wrote in message news:FfqEe.2840$R5.458@news.indigo.ie... > Oi! Crispin, > > Since when were Baronets nobles? > > Steven > <sir_crispin_gaylord@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message > news:1122116852.835471.88370@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> Steven Smyrl wrote: >>> It would be wrong to simply assume that the 'great unrecorded' in >>> Ireland >>> are the Roman Catholics. In rural areas, the lives of ordinary joe soaps >>> (no >>> matter what their religion) is largely unrecorded before the 19th >>> century. >>> Those who didn't possess riches or commit crimes, these are the folk, >>> the >>> majority, that simply slip through the net of recorded history. >> >> Dear Steven >> >> And rightly so, bloody nuisances. After all it is only proper that the >> spawn of these wretches should gaze in wonder and delight upon such >> ancient and noble pedigrees as my own. >> >> Yours, etc >> >> Sir Crispin Gaylord, Bt >> > >

Hi Cur: The same old b.s. as ever.

This proving my point, Crispin old boy! Nothing noble about you! <sir_crispin_gaylord@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:1122122658.814124.56130@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Steven Smyrl wrote: >> Oi! Crispin, >> >> Since when were Baronets nobles? > > Dear Steven > > I am highly disappointed by the tenor of your response but I shall > reply nonetheless. My pedigree is ancient in that it ascends to the > stout English yeoman Uriah Gaylord of the county of Suffolk floruit > sixteenth century and noble in that a peerage dignity (the barony of > Springmartin, 2nd creation) has devolved upon the intervening lineage > by operation of letters patent of the Crown. > > Harrumph and good day to you Sir. > > Yours, etc > > Sir Crispin Gaylord, Bt >

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, September 6, 1824 SHOCKING MURDER A murder of almost unparalleled atrocity was committed last week in the County Tyrone. So cold-blooded and fiend-like an act it seldom falls to the lot of a journalist to detail, at least in our tranquil and civilised province. On the morning of Wednesday, the 18th inst., the body of Mr. James Mathewson, of Kilmore, was found dead in a waste house belonging to Mr. M'Bride, Innkeeper, in Drumquin, where it is supposed to have been conveyed by the wretches to whose ruthless cupidity the deceased was a victim. Capt. Boyle, a Magistrate, had an inquest held upon it, three surgeons being present, who opened it, and deposed that deceased's death was caused by strangulation and other violence, marks of which were evident on his breast and back. Mr. Mathewson was collecting rents for ___ Ecklin, Esq., whose tenants had been noticed to meet him at Drumquin, only two miles from his own residence. It appeared on evidence that several of them had paid him on the Monday and Tuesday preceding, and that the entire money he had received was seen in his possession on the evening of the latter day; but when the body was found the money was all gone, proof that he had been robbed, and that the robbery was the incentive to the deed. A large reward has been offered for the discovery of the murderers, and as the Magistrates of the neighbourhood are all on the alert we do not think it will be possible for them to elude the fate which they merit. The deceased was a most respectable man, upright, industrious, and inoffensive, and he has left a wife and five children to deplore his melancholy end.--[Derry Journal. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Oi! Crispin, Since when were Baronets nobles? Steven <sir_crispin_gaylord@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:1122116852.835471.88370@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Steven Smyrl wrote: >> It would be wrong to simply assume that the 'great unrecorded' in Ireland >> are the Roman Catholics. In rural areas, the lives of ordinary joe soaps >> (no >> matter what their religion) is largely unrecorded before the 19th >> century. >> Those who didn't possess riches or commit crimes, these are the folk, the >> majority, that simply slip through the net of recorded history. > > Dear Steven > > And rightly so, bloody nuisances. After all it is only proper that the > spawn of these wretches should gaze in wonder and delight upon such > ancient and noble pedigrees as my own. > > Yours, etc > > Sir Crispin Gaylord, Bt >

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, September 2, 1824 ADJOURNED ASSIZES OF FERMANAGH "Enniskillen, Aug. 29, 1824. "Our adjourned Assizes finished here yesterday. I am so much fatigued from the labour (the Court sitting from 12 to 15 hours each day) that I am not able to give you a note of the trial - however, I cannot withhold from you the following particulars which occurred in the progress of the trails on Friday last. "The conduct of the learned Judge (Moore) who presided is beyond any eulogium I am capable of passing on him - his patience and forbearance were put to a severe trial - his experience could not furnish him any thing bearing a resemblance to the atrocious acts of some of the members of the (in this County at least) favoured faction. "I informed you before that the Catholic prisoners, tried for the murders at Innishmore, were found guilty of manslaughter. At the present adjournment the Catholic prisoners, tried for riots, were found guilty. The Protestant traversers (not withstanding the wrecking of the houses of the Catholics of Innishmore, and the shooting at and wounding the Catholics) were only two - those two were acquitted. The Jurors were exclusively Orangemen. Never, perhaps, were there any trials of so much, or of equal importance to the Catholics of this County. "It was proved by a respectable witness that one of the traversers (John Pye) had fired the shot that wounded Laurence Hannan in the thigh. It was also proved that a man of the name of Reilly was dangerously wounded by a shot from Kenny's party; he proved it himself, and that three Magistrates of the County had, after repeated applications, refused to take the witness's informations. - That fact so vitally important to the administration of justice, the Learned Judge has taken a note of, and of this still more interesting fact he has judicial knowledge. After Laurence Hannan had been examined as a witness, and was making his way from the Counsel table, he was hustled by a party of the Lisbellaw Peelers (not the least apprehensive of the consequences) and assaulted almost in view of the Court. A few minutes after, on his arrival in the street, in the presence of Counsellor Rolleston, he received a most desperate blow on the back of the neck from an Orangeman of the name of M'Creary. As soon as the fact was made known, Counsellor Kernan communicated it to the Court, and had informations prepared and sworn to in the Court against the offender - (he had no difficulty in escaping.) "The Sub-Sheriff denied the charge, and said he had fifteen witnesses to prove the contrary. "Mr. Justice Moore - 'Talk not to me, Sir, of your fifteen witnesses; in the progress of these Trials I have seen enough of that; I saw the hustling in the Court myself; I saw the rush from the galleries; if, Sir, your Constabulary force be not sufficient to protect the administration of justice, (I know not how long, Sir, the Bench itself will continue safe,) call out the Posse Committatus of the County, and if that be not sufficient, Sir, (said the Judge with great warmth and indignation) I shall call out the Military. The proper conduct of the High Sheriff prevents one from imposing such a fine upon you as this abominable transaction merits.'" Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Took me a while too Dennis but I decided it must mean Office of Fair Trading. Lyn in Oz. "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> wrote in message news:dbt818$j23$2@pcls4.std.com... > >>OFT stops misleading claims by Dutch family tree publisher > > What does the acronym OFT stand for? > > -dja >

>OFT stops misleading claims by Dutch family tree publisher What does the acronym OFT stand for? -dja

From The Cork Examiner, 19 June 1878 - TO THE EDITOR OF THE CORK EXAMINER ------------ 195, Phibsborough-road, Dublin, June 16th, 1878. DEAR SIR,--On the 14th of October, 1876, I addressed a letter to the Catholics of Ireland, through the Freeman's Journal, in favour of the Society of African Missions, asking, not merely for pecuniary aid, but still more, for subjects willing to devote their lives to the evangelization of Dahomey. The first application I had in reply was from a child of Waterford, Miss Ryan, of Chickpoint, whose letters, full of holy zeal, are now before me. I wrote to her in reply :--"The mission is a very hard one, and will involve continual self-sacrifice, with little if any, earthly comfort," to which she generously replied :--"I have but one life to devote--and if God will accept it for the poor Africans I unhesitatingly place it at their disposal." Accordingly, I adopted Miss Margaret Ryan, and sent her to the convent at Lyons. While there she was a model of the interior life, delicate, indeed, in body, but strong in mind, and ardent in her desire to join the Sisterhood at Dahomey, West African Coast. After a year's probation she received the veil, and thus became "a daughter of the Propagation of the Faith." I visited the convent at Lyons last year, and had for some weeks a daily opportunity of conversing with Sister Mary Dominick, for this was the name Miss Ryan took in religion, and never shall I forget the deep lessons of piety--the burning desire to serve God--and the very apostolic zeal for Africa which marked her every sentence. In the beginning of this year several members of the society, priests and nuns, were sent to Lagos, Dahomey, and among them Sister Dominick--all the others were French. Sister Dominick was, in fact, the first Irish missionary that set foot in Dahomey, and this was to her a subject of delight. But, alas! to-day I received a letter from Lagos, conveying the sad intelligence that Sister Dominick is numbered among the dead!! From the moment of her arrival she failed in health--still rallied now and then, and devoted the last weeks of her life to the black children, whom she called her dear little adopted brothers and sisters. She felt grateful that God had allowed her, even for a short period, to aid in teaching the heathen children the message of salvation, and then passed into the eternal presence of Him who she had served in the persons of His poor little creatures of Dahomey. Thus the first in Ireland who volunteered for the Mission of Dahomey, was the first Irish subject sent there, and the first of Ireland's children whose life has been laid as a sacrifice on the altar of apostolic charity in that benighted land. However, we may regret her early death, yet we are glad to see noble, ardent, God-like zeal for such souls blessed with a crown of immortality. The Catholics of Waterford will, however, have reason to congratulate themselves that one of their fellow-citizens, and that one, of the weaker sex, has fallen a victim in far distant shores, not to earthly ambition, but to Divine love. May her place be with the saints, and may others follow to perpetuate the great work, and be, in their turn, crowned with a heavenly reward.--Most faithfully, JAMES O'HAIRE. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

I can't find the posting in which someone remarked on no/few records being available for the Irish population prior to the 1700s. I then ran across the following item, which at least shows that there is a contemporary group actively looking in to several topics in that time period. Sharon Carberry Georgia USA administrator of Irish Research Support Group a YahooGroup Gaelic Ireland, c.1250-c.1650 : land, lordship, and settlement / Duffy, Patrick J. Edwards, David, 1963- FitzPatrick, Elizabeth. / Group for the Study of Irish Historic Settlement. ISBN: 1851825479 Dublin ;Portland, OR: Four Courts Press for the Group for the Study of Irish Historic Settlement, c2001. Description: 454 p. : ill., maps ; 24 cm. Subjects: Land tenure - Ireland - History. Land settlement - Ireland - History. Landlord and tenant - Ireland - History. Celts - Ireland - History. Ireland - History - 1172-1603. Ireland - History - 17th century. Notes: Largely papers originally presented at a conference held at All Hallows College, Dublin, in Feb. 1999. -Includes bibliographical references and indexes. - Contents: Collaboration without Anglicisation : the MacGiollapadraig Lordship and Tudor reform / David Edwards -- Delusion of Dâal Riada : the co-ordiantes of Mac Domnaill power, 1461-1550 / Simon Kingston -- Social and spatial order in the MacMahon Lordship of Airghialla in the late sixteenth century / Patrick F. Duffy -- Fosterage and gossiprid in late medieval Ireland : some new evidence / Fiona Fitzsimons -- The mapping of Ireland's cultural landscape, 1550-1630 / John H. Andrews -- Woodland cover in pre-modern Ireland / Kenneth Nicholls -- Tephra-dated pollen studies of medieval landscapes in the north of Ireland / Valerie A. Hall and Lynda Bunting -- Settlement and place-names / Nollaig âO Muraâile -- Native sources for Gaelic settlement : the house poems / Katharine Simms -- An architectural history of Gaelic castles and settlements, 1370-1600 / Rolf Loeber -- Tower houses and late medieval secular settlement in county Limerick / Colm F. Donnelly -- The morphology of Gaelic lordly sites in North Connacht / Kieran D. O'Conor -- The archaeology of Gaelic lordship east and west of the Foyle / Thomas E. McNeill -- Assembly and inauguration places of the Burkes in late medieval Connacht / Elizabeth FitzPatrick -- 'Dwelling houses in the old Irish barbarous manner' : archaeological evidence for Gaelic architecture in an Ulster plantation village / Audrey F. Horning -- Crannogs in late medieval Gaelic Ireland, c.1350-c.1650 / - Contents: Aidan O'Sullivan -- The maritime cultural landscape in medieval Gaelic Ireland / Colin Breen .

Repeating the inquiry: "This book talks of Huguenots émigrés coming to Youghal. Then it says 'The Corporation being entirely Protestant, welcomed them with open arms.' What is the Corporation? Also reference is made to the census of 1659. I was not aware of any such early census." My reply-- "The Corporation" is likely a reference to the municipal corporation of Youghal. I have seen a similar term used for Ennis, a city in Co. Clare. As for the 1659 census, you can Google for that. I believe it is available on Ancestry.com or a similar service. Sharon Carberry Georgia USA

Steven Smyrl wrote: > Oi! Crispin, > > Since when were Baronets nobles? Dear Steven I am highly disappointed by the tenor of your response but I shall reply nonetheless. My pedigree is ancient in that it ascends to the stout English yeoman Uriah Gaylord of the county of Suffolk floruit sixteenth century and noble in that a peerage dignity (the barony of Springmartin, 2nd creation) has devolved upon the intervening lineage by operation of letters patent of the Crown. Harrumph and good day to you Sir. Yours, etc Sir Crispin Gaylord, Bt

Mike wrote: > "Details of the lives of the unrecorded Roman Catholic majority in rural > Ireland can be glimpsed only from ephemeral literature in English and from > the Gaelic poetry of the four provinces." > > - Britannica article on Ireland, 18c history > > What do you do when confronted with the lack of genealogical records of this > group? Anyone to confirm and/or suggest specific writers for Munster pre > 19c? Dear Michael 'Irish literature' is an horrendous oxymoron. It is commonplace fact that the native Irishry became literate only upon abandonment of their barbarous Gaelic tongue for the delights of the beautifully cadenced English language. The idea that there was a flourishing Irish literature pre-dating Shakespeare, Chaucer and even Beowulf is simply preposterous and I will entertain no such notion. Yours, etc Sir Crispin Gaylord, Bt

Steven Smyrl wrote: > It would be wrong to simply assume that the 'great unrecorded' in Ireland > are the Roman Catholics. In rural areas, the lives of ordinary joe soaps (no > matter what their religion) is largely unrecorded before the 19th century. > Those who didn't possess riches or commit crimes, these are the folk, the > majority, that simply slip through the net of recorded history. Dear Steven And rightly so, bloody nuisances. After all it is only proper that the spawn of these wretches should gaze in wonder and delight upon such ancient and noble pedigrees as my own. Yours, etc Sir Crispin Gaylord, Bt

It would be wrong to simply assume that the 'great unrecorded' in Ireland are the Roman Catholics. In rural areas, the lives of ordinary joe soaps (no matter what their religion) is largely unrecorded before the 19th century. Those who didn't possess riches or commit crimes, these are the folk, the majority, that simply slip through the net of recorded history. Cheers, Steven Smyrl MAPGI "Mike" <bakerdivert@lava.net> wrote in message news:11dvs0jjhi02u92@corp.supernews.com... > "Details of the lives of the unrecorded Roman Catholic majority in rural > Ireland can be glimpsed only from ephemeral literature in English and from > the Gaelic poetry of the four provinces." > > - Britannica article on Ireland, 18c history > > What do you do when confronted with the lack of genealogical records of > this > group? Anyone to confirm and/or suggest specific writers for Munster pre > 19c? > > Btw, I learned that Desmond means DE South MUNster. > >