Tom & Gaylene wrote: > My great great grandparents came to the US in about 1853. They settled in > Canonsburg, Washington County, Pennsylvania. I am at dead ends as far as > ships and/or places of origin other than Ireland. > > Can anyone please help me? > > Tom Toland > ttoland@alltel.net > > Well, one little clue is that name Nancy. Some clever researcher has plotted a distribution of it in that time period: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dgarvey/Bartley/nancy.html If you know someone with a full copy of the index to Griffith's valuation, the next thing to check is the distribution of the surname Carr. Good luck in your research. Jim

My great great grandparents came to the US in about 1853. They settled in Canonsburg, Washington County, Pennsylvania. I am at dead ends as far as ships and/or places of origin other than Ireland. Can anyone please help me? Tom Toland ttoland@alltel.net

Hello. I'm french and I'm trying to find the ancestry of Thomas RUSSELL "Comte" Killough (Bright Parish, Co. of Down), who went to France and died there in 1875, aged 76. In his death record, he is said to have been born in Drogheda, about 1799. May be his parents where Charles RUSSELL of Ballystrew, buried 1828 Rossglass (Rathmullan) and Anne McEVOY. They had 9 children including William, Elizabeth and one Thomas... Thanks for any information. -- Cyril Delmas-Marsalet Pages personnelles : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/cdelmars Centre Généalogique des Landes : http://www.cglandes.org

I am helping the Executor of a neighbours Will and amongst her effects we have found some over printed British ( King George V ) stamps commemorating Independence. Collectable? Valuable ? Apologies for being somewhat off topic, PP

From The Cork Constitution, 5 November 1886 - [continued] NORTH WEST WARD. Stephen Baily, 17, North Mall ; Timothy Brosnan, Soho Terrace, Shanakiel ; Francis Coffin, 69, Sunday's Well Road ; Rev A Coleman, 40, Pope's quay ; Timothy Collins, Pope's quay ; Edward Connell, Moylan's lane ; Richard Connor, Wellington place ; Rev John A Coveny, 40, Pope's quay ; John Cronin, North Abbey Square ; Rev Thomas Deely, Pope's quay ; James Donovan, Pope's quay ; James Dunne, Hillgrove lane ; John Dunne, Hillgrove lane ; Matthew Finucane, North Abbey Square ; John Flynn, 38, Pope's quay ; James Foley, Upper Panorama Terrace ; James Forde, 8, Upper Panorama Terrace ; Peter Geraghty, 3, Upper Panorama Terrace ; Michael Harnett, 115, Shandon street ; Cornelius Harte, 5, Devonshire street ; James N Haly, 2, Soho Terrace ; Patrick J Hegarty, Wellington Terrace, Shanakiel ; Rev Joseph Hickey, 40, Pope's quay ; Rev Joseph C Horgan, 30, Ebenezer Terrace ; Danl Hurley, Dominick street ; John Leahy, Old Market Place ; William Linehan, Buxton Hill ; Henry Lyons, Leitrim street ; Patrick M'Cormack, York street ; William Madden, North Abbey Square ; Dominick W Mahony, 4, Church street ; Jeremiah Mullins, 41, Fair Lane ; Daniel Murphy, Blarney street ; Timothy Murphy, Glasheen Lane ; Patrick F Murphy, 38, Watercourse road ; Timothy Murphy, Shandon street ; Michael Nolan, Leitrim street ; Matthias O'Callaghan, 21, Leitrim street ; Rev Michael Twomey, Pope's quay ; Michael O'Keeffe, Sunday School Lane ; Thomas Sullivan, 80, York street ; Edward Riordan, 3, Dublin street ; Rev Bartholomew Russell, Pope's quay ; Michael Ryan, 18, Cattle Lane ; Patrick Sheehan, 57, Shandon street ; John Slattery, 2, Bleasby street ; Daniel Sullivan, 55, Shandon street ; Michael Sweeney, 31, York street ; Michael J Twomey, Dominick street ; Edmond Walsh, Janemount ; Rev John Willard, Pope's quay. William Ahern, 24, Pope's quay ; James Canter, 113, Mountview Terrace ; John Duffy, Sunday's Well Avenue ; John Fitzpatrick, Nicholas Well lane ; Jeremiah Hennessy, 80 and 79, Shandon street ; Jeremiah Nagle, 15, Cattle lane. [to be continued] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Thanks every one. "Is Mise Gan Ainm" <nospamming@rogers.com> wrote in message news:yq-dnZ2dnZ3aQEnjnZ2dnXNSad-dnZ2dRVn-052dnZ0@rogers.com... > My understanding is that there was no census undertaken in > 1921 in then Irish Free State, now the Republic of Ireland > due to the war of independence and its consequent > 'Troubles' - it was done in 1925. The following reply seems > phoney to me. > > "Keeper of the Public Records" <keeper@archives.gov.ie> > wrote in message news:dd0clr$fg0$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... >> Wendy o. Grant wrote: >> > 1921 Census can any one tell me when they will release > it please? >> >> The 1921 Census is to remain permanently closed for > reasons I will not >> divulge. >> >> -- >> From the desk of the Keeper of the Public Records >> >> > > >

From The Cork Constitution, 5 November 1886 - [continued] NORTH EAST WARD. The following National burgesses were struck off before the Mayor and assessors :--Francis M Barry, 131, Old Youghal road ; James Bowland, 9, Richmond Terrace ; James Boyng, Ballyhooly road ; Thomas Bunley, Patrick's Quay ; Terence Brody, 10, Belgrave place ; Rev J Cassidy, St Patrick's terrace ; Thomas Cavanagh, 35, Lower Glanmire road ; Henry Conboy, Grattan's hill ; Henry Connell, Military road ; James Coughlan, 48, King street ; Thomas Coughlan, 6, Penrose quay ; William Daly, Charlemont terrace ; Edward Delany, 10, King street ; J Dwinan, solicitor, Grattan's hill ; Timothy Driscoll, William street ; Philip Duffey, 25, King street ; Michael Dunlea, King street ; Thomas L Hackett, Patrick's Quay ; Valentine J Haley, Ballyhooly road ; Patrick V Hendrick, Lower Glanmire road ; John Hennessy, Ballyhooly road ; John Hughes, 2, Myrtle Hill terrace ; William Lane, Ballyhooly road ; Timothy Leahy, Lower Glanmire road ; Fred Lima, Tivoli road ; William P Lyons, 2 Bridge street ; W L M'Carthy, Waterloo place ; John M'Grath, Ballyhooly road ; Barry M'Mullen, Lower Glanmire road ; -- Martin, Magnolia terrace ; J Milling, Waterloo place ; Thomas Murray, Old Youghal road ; James O'Brien, 16, Charlemont Terrace ; James O'Connor, 39, King street ; Very Rev. Dr. O'Mahony, 1, Patrick's Place ; Jeremiah O'Sullivan, 123, Lower Glanmire road ; Michael O'Sullivan, 1, Lower Glanmire road ; William O'Toole, Clarence Place ; James Riordan, 68, Lower Glanmire road ; William Spillane, 18, Military road ; Michael O'Sullivan, 137, Lower Glanmire road ; George A Sutton, 14, Waterloo place ; Patrick Tobin, 5?, Lower Glanmire road ; William Welstead, 14, Gardiner's Hill. Francis Lyons, 6, St Patrick's Hill. [to be continued] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

I must correct my error in stating the census was taken in 1925 - should have said 1926, as stated by Steven Symrl "Wendy o. Grant" <georgepatrick@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:42f5e8a2$0$21701$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... > Thanks every one. > "Is Mise Gan Ainm" <nospamming@rogers.com> wrote in message > news:yq-dnZ2dnZ3aQEnjnZ2dnXNSad-dnZ2dRVn-052dnZ0@rogers.com... > > My understanding is that there was no census undertaken in > > 1921 in then Irish Free State, now the Republic of Ireland > > due to the war of independence and its consequent > > 'Troubles' - it was done in 1925. The following reply seems > > phoney to me. > > > > "Keeper of the Public Records" <keeper@archives.gov.ie> > > wrote in message news:dd0clr$fg0$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > >> Wendy o. Grant wrote: > >> > 1921 Census can any one tell me when they will release > > it please? > >> > >> The 1921 Census is to remain permanently closed for > > reasons I will not > >> divulge. > >> > >> -- > >> From the desk of the Keeper of the Public Records > >> > >> > > > > > > > >

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, September 6, 1824 PROVINCIAL NEWS ENNIS, SEPT 2 - On Wednesday last, six stand of arms, surrendered at the Tomgreeny Petty Sessions, by Mr. Fitzgibbon, agent to Lord Dunboyne, were sent into the depot in this town by the Rev. H.B. Huleatt, one of the presiding Magistrates, together with two stand, taken up by the latter gentleman in the Counties of Clare and Galway. The 22d ult. was appointed for a hurling match between the parishes of Kilbarron and Mountsea, in the County Tipperary, (from which parishes the Insurrection Act has been but recently withdrawn) and Clonrush, in the County of Galway, to be decided on the lands of Lannamahoon, within a short distance of the glebe of the Rev. Mr. Huleatt, to whom the latter parish belongs. This active Magistrate, considering that it would not be prudent, in the present disturbed state of the peace, to offer such an extensive meeting as this was intended to be, to take place, called upon a serjeant and ten of the police stationed at the White Gate, and proceeded to the place. He endeavoured to persuade the people of his parish, who were assembled to the number of five hundred, waiting for their opponents, to return to their homes, assuring them that they would not be allowed to hurl that evening. They did not offer much opposition, but still would not consent to go home. The lands of Lannamahoon are on the Shannon side, and about six o'clock the river appeared covered with cots transporting the Tipperary hurlers across. The convoy consisted of 32 cots and a turf-boat - so that, when the cargoes were discharged, there were about one thousand men at the meeting. On the landing of the Tipperary men, the people at the other side met them wit a shout of welcome, shook hands with them and informed them of the intended prevention of the hurling. Both immediately formed one body, armed themselves on the beach with stones, and advanced furiously on the Police. Anxious to prevent a riotous mob to such an amount from coming in contact with so small a party of Police, Mr. Huleatt, at the risk of his life, rode considerably in advance towards them, and intreated them to disperse peaceably. They disregarded the advice, threatened him in the most violent manner, and fell upon him and the police with the stones they had collected. In an instant, a respectable Protestant parishioner who accompanied his Clergyman, was nearly knocked off his horse - the Reverend Gentleman himself had his arm and side desperately battered, and the Police were wounded in every direction. They were then about to rush in upon the party, when the Police begged permission to fire in defence of their lives, which were in imminent danger. This could not be refused; and eight shots, which were so directed as to cause no injury, had the effect of completely routing the mob, and preventing consequences, probably of a fatal nature, which generally attended meetings of this description, when uncontrolled by the presence of persons cable of preventing them. The following is a literal copy of the inscription on a sign-board hanging in fronts of a cellar in the Old Town of Limerick: - "Lodgings and kettles boiled at all seasonable hours. Jack Meehan gives notice to the public that he will supply a hundred a-day, to drink tea, at all hours in the day; you will be attended nice and clean, in the cellar at the end of the lane, without delay." We understand that in consequence of the delicate state of the health of the Right Rev. Dr Sug??e, his Coadjutor Bishop, the Right Rev. Dr. Egan, has undertaken the duty of Visitation throughout the diocess. The Earl of Bantry having learned that Dr. Egan was to ???? a Visitation on Thursday week in the district of Glengariffe, where his Lordship has a most beautiful lodge, immediately addressed a letter for invitation to Dr. Egan, soliciting him to make the lodge his residence whilst in that part of the country. This letter was conveyed through the Parish Priest; to whom also a letter was written by the Noble Earl, desiring the Reverend Gentleman to consider the lodge as his house whilst his Bishop would remain. This hospitable and attentive mark of Lord Bantry's kindness was too flattering not to meet acquiescence, and we learn that Dr. Egan made the lodge his abode for a day or two, where the Noble proprietor had forwarded not only the choicest wines, but every other delicacy which Seafield-Park so bountifully affords.-- Cork Chronicle. A CAUTION TO THE PUBLIC - We caution the inhabitants of this town how they expose themselves to any sort of contact with persons labouring under contagious distemper - such as fever, plagues or consumption - and that they carefully avoid taking colds, rheumatisms, cattarahs, gouts, head-aches, belly-aches and back-aches, as well as all sorts of acute or chronic diseases, which may require the attendance of a Physician; there being now no less than twelve Doctors, Surgeons, Men-midwives, and Apothecaries, practising in the small town of Carlow! -- Carlow Post. A Friary, to be dedicated to St. Francis, has been commenced in Henry-street, Limerick, nearly opposite the Police-office. The foundation has been sunk, and the work is to proceed immediately. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Dear Wendy, Although legislation had been passed to enable a census to be undertaken in Ireland in 1921, because of the troubles at that time it was abandoned. In 1926, the Irish Free State Government undertook the first census of the new Irish State. In the early 1990s a new Statistics Act was passed by the House of the Oireachtas (Irish Parliament) which dealt with census returns made since the founding of the State. At this time the Council of Irish Genealogical Organisations (CIGO) http://indigo.ie/~gorry/CIGO.html lobbied the government to allow census returns to be released in Ireland once 75 years had elapsed since such were created. Initially, CIGO was successful when the Bill was passing through the Seanad (Senate, the Upper House), unfortunately once in the Dáil (Lower and more important House) the date of release of census returns was set at 100 years. Every year or so CIGO raises this issue with the government in hopes that as so many of the people recorded in the 1926 census were born before civil registration began in Ireland, that the returns for that year might now be made available. Thus, currently the census returns for the 1926 census will not be made available until the 1st January 2027! For clarity, I should state that at the time of the Statistics Bill in question, the Dun Laoghaire Genealogical Society (now the Genealogical Society of Ireland) was a constituent member of CIGO and was one of the main groups in CIGO calling for the implementation of a 75 rather than a 100 year rule. I am sure that this is still one of their interests. Hope this helps. Steven Smyrl MAPGI "Wendy o. Grant" <georgepatrick@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:42f361f0$0$30086$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au... > >

Does anyone have any information on William Starkey, of Dromoland Castle, whose daughter Elizabeth - who died on September 19th 1705 - married Sir Thomas Southwell, Bt., of Castle Matras. Are the names of his wife and parents known? Thanks, Mark

From The Cork Constitution, 5 November 1886 - [continued] NORTH WEST WARD. Samuel Anglin, Janemount ; William Cooke, Hardwick street ; Jacob Dalton, York street ; John Johnson, Abbey street, North ; Frederick Marlow, Upper Panorama Terrace ; Henry Browne Sandham, 72, Sunday's Well road ; Wm Smye, Lee View Place. Thomas Garde, 122, Shandon street. NORTH CENTRE WARD. Christopher Haly Hutchinson, Fisher's Lane ; Richard Keating, Deane street ; Thomas Magahy, Lower George's street ; Abraham Woulfe, 16, Lavitt's Quay. David Breton, 100 Patrick street ; C M Harvey, Anderson's Quay. SOUTH CENTRE WARD. John Atkins, 49, South Mall ; Wm R Atkins, 30, South Mall ; John Lee, Prince's street ; Hatton R O'Kearney, South Mall ; John Reid, Keeffe street ; Keanrs [Kearns?] D Roche, 13, South Mall ; Wm C Townsend, M D, 57, South Mall ; Robert Wynne, 21, South Mall. John Lee, 19, Prince's street ; Joseph Thompson, 2, South Mall ; Robert W F Townsend, 18, South Mall. CENTRE WARD. New Conservatives admitted on list ;--Joshua G Beale, Allen's Court ; Henry N Down, 36, Prince's street ; F W C Fozier, 19, Winthrop street ; John N Knott, 39, Cook street ; Abraham Manley, 18, Winthrop street ; John Geo Moore, Prince's street ; Barry Porteous, 128, George's street ; Samuel Sikes, 56, Grand Parade. SOUTH WARD. Wm Penwyth, M D, South Terrace ; Elwin Hall, Croese's Green ; John J Wagner, Albert Road. Frederick Smith, Hillsboro' place. WEST WARD. Pierce Goold, 18, North Main Street. [to be continued] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

My understanding is that there was no census undertaken in 1921 in then Irish Free State, now the Republic of Ireland due to the war of independence and its consequent 'Troubles' - it was done in 1925. The following reply seems phoney to me. "Keeper of the Public Records" <keeper@archives.gov.ie> wrote in message news:dd0clr$fg0$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > Wendy o. Grant wrote: > > 1921 Census can any one tell me when they will release it please? > > The 1921 Census is to remain permanently closed for reasons I will not > divulge. > > -- > From the desk of the Keeper of the Public Records > >

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, March 13, 1850 LIMERICK ASSIZES Interesting Forgery Case John Graham, alias Henry Dickson, was indicted for that he not being an officer of the Bank of Ireland, had in his possession a plate or piece of metal on which were impressed the words, &c. used by the company in their notes. The indictment contained 23 counts and the presentation was conducted by Sergeant O'Brien and Mr. Brereton. The prisoner, a shrewd, intelligent man, well dressed, and of a mild demeanour, evinced a determination to act as his own counsel, having arranged before him in the dock several manuscript documents. The first witness examined was James Keogh.- He deposed that he met the prisoner in this city in the month of November, 1848; never knew him before; Thady Molony was with him when he met Graham in Brunswick-street; he invited them into a public house and asked them to buy a pound note; witness gave him 7s. for it; they drank three dandies of punch each; when parting Graham appointed a place of meeting should they want to buy any more notes; on the morning after witness bought six more from him for 30s.; bought four more in a fortnight after; saw the prisoner printing notes in a house in Augustinian land; saw the plate with him; he rubbed something dry on the plate, and then sprinkled water on the paper which he laid over it, and got the impression; Graham told him he should fly form the town - that the police were after him, and that he would give him (Keogh) the plate which he did. Prisoner - My lord, I request you will order the other witnesses out of court. I am labouring under debility, having been imprisoned for the last 15 months without being brought to trial, and as I have to defend my own case, it would make it the more embarrassing to me were they present, for one would swear to what he heard the other say. The witnesses were ordered out of the court. Prisoner (to Keogh)- Were not many members of your family suspected, or, I shall say, convicted for passing forged notes? Witness - 'Twas a sorry day to me I ever saw you - my uncle was transported for it, and my mother is under sentence of transportation. Prisoner - And to save yourself you have sworn a false information against me - may the blood of Jesus- Sergeant O'Brien - You said, Keogh, that he gave you the plate; what did you do with it? Witness - I was afraid to take it home, and deposited it in a hole in the well at the dock-yard, north strand; it was rolled in paper; I put a stone in the opening to prevent it being seen; I afterwards gave information to Mr. O'Brien, the stipendiary magistrate, of where the plate was. Prisoner - I never saw you until I was arrested. Witness- You are a danger; you said you were in Clonmel gaol for forgery in 1832. Prisoner - I stand here and am prepared to go before the governor in every gaol in Ireland for identification; I dare say the Bank of Ireland will defray the expenses. Witness- You told me you were a deserter. Prisoner - You swore I was a deserter. Witness - Oh, you are too great a grammarian for me (laughter.) Prisoner - You are here on your oath, and must answer me as soon as you would his lordship. Witness- (astonished) faith you have too many crans for me (renewed laughter) I got enough of you. Prisoner - You say I told you I was a deserter. Now if I said I was an Antedeluvian would you swear to it? (laughter) Witness appeared much surprised and looked his lordship sternly in the face, who laughed heartily. Judge- Can you answer him that question? Witness - Why, then, my lord, (immoderate laughter) Judge - Do you know what an Antedeluvian is? Witness - Indeed, faith. I don't; may be he is one, by gor - (renewed laughter) Prisoner then took up the sworn information of the witness, and with a degree of tact that would do credit to a practised lawyer, cross-examined him at length. Thadeus Molony corroborated the testimony of Keogh, and was also cross-examined by the prisoner. John O'Brien, Esq, R.M. proved having found the plate in the wall at the dock-yard; Mr. Williams, Sub-Inspector, was with him; also Molony. Prisoner then told Mr. O'Brien he held him in too high esteem to offer him the slightest offence, and hoped he would excuse him if the questions he was about to put afforded him any annoyance. He then cross-examined Mr. O'Brien as to the construction of the wall, the aperture where the plate was deposited, and the condition of the metal when found. Mr. Michael O'Brien, son to the former witness, deposed that he exhibited the plate at the office of the Bank of Ireland, in Dublin, where it was pronounced a counterfeit. (The plate here produced was remarkably well executed.) Michael Ryan, of Trough, proved that he purchased a piece of copper, similar to the plate, for the prisoner who lodged in his house; saw him pencil the form and figures of a bank note on it; saw an engraving press with him, which was removed without witness's knowledge. The arrest of the prisoner, and particulars connected with the passing of forged notes at fairs and markets were then given in evidence. James Quinn, sworn- I am a turnkey in Ennis gaol; the prisoner was there in '43 while he was in gaol I saw him engraving his name; he was then called Mullins. I often saw his wife come with words to him. Prisoner - How do you know she was my wife? - Did you ever see her in bed with me? (laughter) Witness- This is all I have to say, my lord. Charles Turner, examined - I live about twenty miles from Limerick, in the county Clare; the prisoner lodged at my house one night; he gave me a pound not to change; I went to change it; John Page brought it to the police. His lordship then asked the prisoner if he would address the court or the jury? The Prisoner addressed the Court at some length in a very able and ingenious manner. The Judge then charged the jury, who were about to retire, when The Prisoner said- My lord, I submit there was no evidence to go before the jury that the offense was committed in the city of Limerick. The Jury having retired for a few minutes, returned a verdict of Guilty. His Lordship, in passing sentence on the prisoner, said he had displayed extraordinary natural ability by the ingenious arguments he had used for his defence and able cross-examination of witnesses.- During his experience he had never met so clever a person, and it was to be regretted he had not directed his abilities to better use. The sentence was that he be transported for life. Prisoner - As I am to be transported for life I must say that the jurors who tried me have put themselves on an equilibrium with the presecutors who swore against me. The convict was formerly a householder in Sackville-street, Dublin, and worked in this city as an engraver.-- Limerick Chroncile. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Wendy o. Grant wrote: > 1921 Census can any one tell me when they will release it please? The 1921 Census is to remain permanently closed for reasons I will not divulge. -- From the desk of the Keeper of the Public Records

"Clydeside Red" wrote: >[...] The Grove, established abt 1720, built >and owned by John Church Esquire residence of Oatlands, Parish of Tamlaght >Finlagan, and the only gentlemen's seat in this parsh. > [...] >What is a "gentleman's seat"? A house (with surrounding land) fit for a gentleman to live in. Mr Bennet's house in Austen's "Pride and Prejudice" would probably be the absolute minimum, in my opinion - usually one would might be thinking of somewhere like Netherfield, the house rented by Mr Bingley.

I have a Ferry name in my family.... Boston area and then Minnesota..... Margo Ascheman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Belinda" <belindadworak@cox.net> To: <GENIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: Hello > I'm searching for information regarding my great-grandfather: John B King > (Born: Ireland) and my great-grandmother: Ella (Ellen) (Ferry) King. > Also, > my Aunt: Anna King (born possibly around 1862 in Ireland). They came to > NYC and I'm unable to find them on any ship. I know they had 5 more > children. Any help you can give me would be much appreciated, along with > any assistance in my search. > > Regards......Belinda

"Dennis Ahern" schreef ... > K0BBE wrote: > : > : Parish register of Meulebeke (West-Flanders): > > : 8 march 1644, baptism of Margareta Oberin, daughter > : of Geerard, militis Irlandis, and Maria [no family name]. > > : (Oberin is probably a Flemish notation for O'Brian) > > Or could the "b" possibly be an "h" and the name is Oherin, a > variant of Ahern? > Definitely "Oberin". (The local priest wrote what he understood...) -- K0BBE [ http://tinyurl.com/aoug8 ] e-adres: incorrect

"MikeS" <archangel@heaven.com> wrote in message news:yqOoe.26723$j51.8009@tornado.texas.rr.com... > > "Clydeside Red" <myrealname@rogers.com> wrote in message > news:AJOdnSXon8KsOz7fRVn-uw@rogers.com... >> The first couple listed on the page at >> http://www.4qd.org/bann/church/KilreaFirstPres/Marriages/1837.html >> >> are my GGG-grandparents. The bride's parent residence is listed as "The >> Grove, Mallatrah Toy". I have been unable to find any reference to a >> place, or a house called Mallatrah Toy. Can anyone here shed any light? > > Here is a reference which may also help in this search: > > http://www.proni.gov.uk/geogindx/townsm.htm > > TOWNLAND COUNTY DIVISION O.S. MAP REF PARISH > > Moyletra Toy Londonderry The Grove 26 Desertoghill That was a great tip, and led me to this: http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/bannvalley/desertoghill.html Townland: Moyletra Toy Occupier/Informant Dates Notes John Church Esquire 1835-37 The Grove, established abt 1720, built and owned by John Church Esquire residence of Oatlands, Parish of Tamlaght Finlagan, and the only gentlemen's seat in this parsh. Robert Ogilby Esqpure 1835-37 The Grove, near parish church, buildg by John Church Esq who served as a soldier in William's army. The Church's were English settlers What is a "gentleman's seat"?

This my regular 'hopeless quest" post. Looking for a marriage between 1835-51 beteen: Thomas (or John Thomas) Beamish and Eleanor Callen(Caller, Calnan) 'somewhere in Ireland,' possibly Co.Cork.