Hello Mike, I have been researching my FALLON ancestors from Roscommon and found so many of them that so far I've been unable to make a connection. I have no knowledge of the townland just that they were "from Roscommon." Patrick FALLON b. abt, 1790 m. Margaret KELLY. Other names associated with this family I'm researching are: CRUISE and DOYLE. These folks eventually emigrated to Boston, MA. Thanks for taking the time to read this and if you have any of these collateral names in your file, please let me know. Thanks. Joanne Massachusetts

Thanks to Dr. Jane for links to excellent on-line sources for county Leix and for pointing out that parish boundaries may cross county lines. Utilizing Griffith's can be a challenge for even the most experienced researcher. The boundaries of the primary units by which the volumes are organized (Baronies and Poor Law Unions) sometimes cut across parish lines or through the middle of a town. So it is often necessary to consult multiple volumes of Griffith's to search a particular parish. My statement that Griffith's Valuations for Queens County were published between 1850 and 1851 was based on personal research in the microfiche version of that work, and on James R. Reilly's "Richard Griffith and His valuations of Ireland" (Baltimore:Clearfield, 2000), the most comprehensive work on the subject. Reilly's study includes an appendix with precise publication dates for each volume of Griffith's for all Irish counties, the Irish repositories where each may be found, and microfilm numbers for copies held by the Family History Library. Reilly cites 11 published volumes for Queens County and an additional volume containing parts of both Queens and Kildare. The earliest publication appeared on 12 August 1850, the last two on 03 February 1851. The anomaly for Stradbally cited by Dr. Jane (1856) may be the date of the revised edition for the Poor Law Union of Athy published after appeals by rate-payers there. Those just beginning work in Griffith's will find good guidance from Dr.Lyons' website http://www.from-ireland.net/gene/griffithsval.htm or from the chapter on Taxation Records in "Discovering Your Irish Ancestors" by Dwight Radford and Kyle Betit (Cincinnati: Betterway Books, 2001). For Ian or others trying to interpret data found in Griffith's, Reilly is indispensable. If anyone has questions about publication dates for other counties, I would be happy to do look-ups in Reilly's Appendix. Ed O'Day http://www.odeaclan.org/griffith.htm ""Dr. Jane Lyons"" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> wrote in message news:01a101c5a4f3$54b910f0$2101a8c0@nytjxzpkk1v6ap... > Years are not to 1851 Ed, Stradbally at least is 1856 though the majority > are early 1850's, from what I can see of what I have re Griffiths, > including what I don't have on line as of yet. Ian, 1858 to 1861 could > not be said to be the norm/average. Abbeyleix as you can see is 1850. I > have an index to the names of lessors and lessees on line, the URL > Abbeyleix 1850 : http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/abbeyleix.htm > > Listed below, some URL's for Indices to the names found in any of these > parishes in the Griffiths. For the msot part, each of these parishes ahs > townlands in Co. Kilkenny and you'll find a name list for the Kilkenny > sections also. From some of these links, you'll find links to pages with > indices for people listed in the Tithe Applotment books - all of those > resources being easily available to any of you who have access to a Family > History centre - what you may also find, is lists of names of people > buried in either or both Roman Catholic and Protestant graveyards in the > parish (not available anywhere else - and maybe even some parish record > extracts > > Jane > > > Abbeyleix 1850 : http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/abbeyleix.htm > Aharney 1850 : http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/aharney.htm > Attanagh 1850 : http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/aharney.htm > Ballyadams 1850 : > http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/ballyadams.htm > Bordwell 1850 : http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/bordwell.htm > Erke 1850 : http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/erke.htm > Stradbally 1856 : > http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/stradbally.htm > > X-Message: #1 > Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:38:10 GMT >>From: "Edward O'Day" <edoday@earthlink.net> > To: GENIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <m31Ne.9232$Je.6136@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: Griffiths Valuation for Co. Leix- what years? > > Ian, > > Dates of the published Griffith's Volumes for Queen's County are > 1850-1851. > The Revision Books (annual updates) begin in 1855. > > The annual updates, now held in the Valuation Office in Dublin, were never > published, but they have been microfilmed and can be borrowed for use at a > Family History Library (LDS) in your area. These books show the year when > a > property changed hands, either for Lessor [landlord] or Occupier [head of > household], and they could help solve your problem if the published books > do > not.. > > Ed O'Day > > > ""Ian Loiterton"" <idloit@iimetro.com.au> wrote in message > news:000a01c57a17$c72f27c0$b3e6a6cb@ownerszy0clcwb... >>I am aware that Griffiths Valuation was conducted between 1848 and 1864. >>One reference suggested that it was conducted for Co. Leix between 1851 >>and >>1852 while another said between 1858 and 1860. Can anyone verify which of >>these is correct as it makes a significant difference to identifying two >>people included in it for the town of Abbeyleix. >> >> Thank you >> >> Ian >> >> Ian Loiterton >> Canberra, A.C.T., AUSTRALIA >> Researching: BARNETT, DOUGLAS, HAND, KILDEA, LOITERTON, PALMER, RAMSEY, >> WEBBER, YOULTEN >

I am looking for any information about the Fallons of Roscommon whose ancestral seat was a castle in Milltown near the modern town of Dysart in the old Athlone Barony in Co Roscommon in the late 1500s early 1600s. On Mar 3, 2003 a poster by the name of 'OLeoghain' sent the following message to this group.... "According to Ida Grehan - Dictionary of Irish Names - it is properly spelled Falloon or in Irish Gaelic ó Fallamhain. It is common in the Athlone area in southern Roscommon. The family had a castle in Dysart in 1595. It is now common in Ulster and also spelled Fullen. " With regard to this quote, I would be keen to learn the publication date of the first edition of this book, and any source information relevant to the Roscommon Fallons which may be listed in the indices. I am looking for this information because I have a friend named Fallon who is visiting Ireland shortly and we are going to co Roscommon to try and track down the castle ruins. This particullar castle is not a tourist attraction, so I am trying to get as much information together as possible before going, because there ain't going to be a gloosy brochure about its former glories to read when we get there. If anyone has any info at all I would be very grateful indeed for their help. Many thanks and best regards Mike

Also looking for possible ancestors, James McClenaghan, born 1798 in Antrim North Ireland, married Margaret Walker, born 1810 in Antrim. They settled in Northumberland county, N. B. Canada. Any information anyone has on thesefour people would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Andy

From The Cork Examiner, 30 December 1878 - NORTH INFIRMARY.--The woman, Butler, the surviving sufferer from the recent melancholy accident in Kyrl-street, is progressing favourably. A young man named Fitzpatrick, stated to be a hair-dresser, was admitted to the Infirmary yesterday, and treated for a very bad cut on the head. On Christmas Day, Fitzpatrick went to a lodging-house in Curtis's-lane, where he remained till yesterday, when he was too ill to leave his bed. The wound was bleeding, and the proprietor of the lodging-house having informed the police of the fact they removed the unfortunate man to the infirmary. It appears he has not been very temperate for some time past, and on Christmas eve he had a fight with another man. It is surmised that in the struggle Fitzpatrick fell and cut his head. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Cooke's Memoirs of Youghal, 1749. Published in the Journal of the Cork Archaeological & Historical Society, 1903 Some extracts......... http://www.from-ireland.net/history/cork/cookeyoughal.htm

Years are not to 1851 Ed, Stradbally at least is 1856 though the majority are early 1850's, from what I can see of what I have re Griffiths, including what I don't have on line as of yet. Ian, 1858 to 1861 could not be said to be the norm/average. Abbeyleix as you can see is 1850. I have an index to the names of lessors and lessees on line, the URL Abbeyleix 1850 : http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/abbeyleix.htm Listed below, some URL's for Indices to the names found in any of these parishes in the Griffiths. For the msot part, each of these parishes ahs townlands in Co. Kilkenny and you'll find a name list for the Kilkenny sections also. From some of these links, you'll find links to pages with indices for people listed in the Tithe Applotment books - all of those resources being easily available to any of you who have access to a Family History centre - what you may also find, is lists of names of people buried in either or both Roman Catholic and Protestant graveyards in the parish (not available anywhere else - and maybe even some parish record extracts Jane Abbeyleix 1850 : http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/abbeyleix.htm Aharney 1850 : http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/aharney.htm Attanagh 1850 : http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/aharney.htm Ballyadams 1850 : http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/ballyadams.htm Bordwell 1850 : http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/bordwell.htm Erke 1850 : http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/erke.htm Stradbally 1856 : http://www.from-ireland.net/griffiths/laois/stradbally.htm X-Message: #1 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:38:10 GMT >From: "Edward O'Day" <edoday@earthlink.net> To: GENIRE-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <m31Ne.9232$Je.6136@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Griffiths Valuation for Co. Leix- what years? Ian, Dates of the published Griffith's Volumes for Queen's County are 1850-1851. The Revision Books (annual updates) begin in 1855. The annual updates, now held in the Valuation Office in Dublin, were never published, but they have been microfilmed and can be borrowed for use at a Family History Library (LDS) in your area. These books show the year when a property changed hands, either for Lessor [landlord] or Occupier [head of household], and they could help solve your problem if the published books do not.. Ed O'Day ""Ian Loiterton"" <idloit@iimetro.com.au> wrote in message news:000a01c57a17$c72f27c0$b3e6a6cb@ownerszy0clcwb... >I am aware that Griffiths Valuation was conducted between 1848 and 1864. >One reference suggested that it was conducted for Co. Leix between 1851 and >1852 while another said between 1858 and 1860. Can anyone verify which of >these is correct as it makes a significant difference to identifying two >people included in it for the town of Abbeyleix. > > Thank you > > Ian > > Ian Loiterton > Canberra, A.C.T., AUSTRALIA > Researching: BARNETT, DOUGLAS, HAND, KILDEA, LOITERTON, PALMER, RAMSEY, > WEBBER, YOULTEN

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, September 6, 1824 It has been determined that the Rev. Mr. Carroll, of Wexford, is to be confined in the Richmond Lunatic Asylum. The widow of the late Major Hare has left Limerick for England. Before her departure, she made the mother of the Minnanes, who were executed for the murder of her husband, a handsome present. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, September 6, 1824 MILITARY PROMOTIONS War-Office, August 27, 1824 4th Regiment of Light Dragoons- Paymaster William Waldey, from the half-pay of the 40th foot, to be paymaster, vice Robert Kerr, who exchanges. 12th Do.- Lieutenant Richard Bury Pallisar, to be captain by purchase, vice Grauford, promoted in the Cape corps cavalry; ensign James England, from the 77th foot, to be lieutenant, by purchase, vice Pallisar. 5th Regiment of Foot - Ensign Edward Eustice Hill to be lieutenant without purchase, vice McKenzie, deceased - John Wingfield King, gentleman, to be ensign, vice Hill. 18th Do. - Thomas Cockburn Graves, gentleman, to be ensign, vice Hill. 20th Do. - Ensign John George Young, from the 18th foot, to be lieutenant, without purchase, vice Church, deceased. 26th Do. - Ensign Humphry Babington, to be lieutenant, without purchase, vice Roberts, deceased; Robert James Evelyn Rich, gentleman, to be ensign, vice Babington. 39th Do. - Brevet lieutenant-colonel Patrick Lindsay to be lieutenant-colonel by purchase, vice Slurt, who retires; brevet major Donald Macpheram to be major by purchase, vice Lindesay; lieutenant Henry Caldicott to be captain, by purchase, vice Macpherson; ensign James Henry Lerkie to be lieutenant by purchase, vice Caldicott; Gerard Charles Borough, gentleman, to be ensign, by purchase, vice Lerkie. 60th Do. - Serjeant-major John Liddel, from the 7th foot, to be second lieutenant without purchase, and to act as adjutant. 71st Do. - Ensign Nenon Alexander Connor, to be lieutenant without purchase, vice Coates; ____ Seymour, gentleman, to be ensign, vice Connor. 72d Do. - Lieutenant George Murray, from the half pay of the 24th foot, to be lieutenant, vice Hugh Rose, who exchanges. 73d Do. - Major Thomas Bradgate Bradford, from the 97th foot, to be major, vice Hugh Cameron, who retires upon half pay of the York Chasseurs. 77th Do. - Joseph Lumas, gentleman, to be ensign by purchase, vice England, promoted in the 12th light dragoons. 79th Do. - Lieutenant James Dudgeon Brown to be captain by purchase, vice Marshall promoted; ensign Fox Maule to be lieutenant by purchase, vice Brown; Thomas Croutie, gentleman, to be ensign by purchase, vice Maule. 82d Do. - Lieutenant Charles Mortimer to be captain, without purchase, vice Field, deceased; ensign Nathaniel Green to be lieutenant, vice Mortimer; John Trollope, gentleman, to be ensign, vice Green. 84th Do. - Captain George Thomas Colomb, from the half pay of the 37th foot, to be captain, vice Jacob Tonson, who exchanges. 86th Do. - Lieutenant Mathew Robert Grey to be captain by purchase, vice Hogg, who retires; ensign Frederick Close, to be lieutenant, by purchase, vice Grey; Power Le Poer French, gentleman, vice Close. 92d Do. - Captain John Cameron, from half pay of the 79th foot, to be captain, vice Phelan, who exchanges. 97th Do. - Major Thomas Paterson from the half pay of the York Chasseurs, to be major, vice Bamford, appointed to the 73d foot. 98th Do. - Lieutenant James Maynard Goodiff, from the half pay of the 31st foot, to be lieutenant, vice Robert Logan, who exchanges. 2d West India Regiment - Ensign and Adjutant Daniel Curry to have the rank of lieutenant; ensign Robert Maricod Sutherland to be lieutenant without purchase, vice Dunn, deceased; Edward Elmore Nicolis, gentleman, to be ensign, vice Sutherland. Royal African Colonial Corps - Captain Pierce Toussaint de Barrallier, from the half pay of the 3d foot, to be captain, vice Thomas Barnes, who exchanges. Veteran Companies of Newfoundland- Capt. Alexander Mackenzie from half pay York light infantry volunteers to be captain. Garrisons - Lieutenant-colonel William Bedford of the late 3d Royal Veteran Battalion, to be staff captain at Chatham, vice Alexander Dalgely [or Dalgety] , placed on the retired list. Hospital staff - Hospital Assistant, James Young, to be Assistant Surgeon to the Forres, vice Law, deceased - Edward J. Bulteel, gentleman, to be Hospital Assistant to the Forces, vice Young. Office of Ordnance, Aug. 25, 1824. Corps of Royal Engineers - First Lieutenant Rawden F. Clavering, from the half pay, to be first lieutenant, vice Hayler, deceased. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Edward O'Day <edoday@earthlink.net> wrote: : The annual updates, now held in the Valuation Office in Dublin, were never : published, but they have been microfilmed and can be borrowed for use at a : Family History Library (LDS) in your area. These books show the year when a : property changed hands, either for Lessor [landlord] or Occupier [head of : household], and they could help solve your problem if the published books do : not.. A problem with viewing the Cancelled Books, as they are called, on microfilm is that they are in black and white. The originals, which can be viewed only at the Valuation Office in Dublin, are marked up in color and it is very hard to follow even when different transfers are each written in a different colored ink. Without the color ink to track data it is likely to be confusing and subject to misinterpretaion. -dja

Hallo NG, sorry, I know, that I am totally offtopic in this newsgroup, but it is the only "irish" newsgroup I could find on my newsserver. Does somebody know any famous quotes or sayings about Dublin (including the literary source)? Maybe from a writer or poet? It should be about the prettiness of the city or the friendliness of its inhabitants. Thank you!

From The Cork Examiner, 28 December 1878 - THE KYRL STREET GAS ACCIDENT.--Mrs. Butler, the survivor of the above accident, is improving rapidly, and there is every reason to believe that the attention she is receiving at the North Infirmary will restore her to complete health in a short time. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

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...continued... BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, March 20, 1850 Dr. Joseph Parker sworn - Is attending physician to the county gaol for the last three years, went to see O'Grady in a few days after his committal to prison; saw him frequently after, up to summer assizes, 1847; examined him on the first occasion, but resolved not to come to any conclusion or form any opinion one way or the other, until I had given his case full deliberation; when first I saw him he exhibited a silent, silly manner, and spoke in a mattering muttering under tone, chiefly in monosyllable; I inquired particularly as to his previous habits and found they were quite of an opposite character; I remember a friend of his coming to see him in the gaol - a Mr. Brown, who he pretended not to know when introduced; a friend or relative, then present said to O'Grady, "John, don't you know your friend, Mr. Brown?" He replied, in rather broken accent, "Mr. Brown, Mr. Brown, oh dear, yes, yes, oh, yes;" this was when he was pressed and about the 11th Feb. '47; there was a strong conviction on my mind contrasting his former state with the state he was then in, I found it impossible he could have become so in so short a time; the rest of my observations, up to the time he cut his throat, led me the more strongly to conclude he was acting; I was sent for, by the governor of the gaol to see a man who had cut his throat shortly previous to spring assizes '47; I went into his cell, and saw O'Grady, who was not bleeding but cut in the neck, the man had bled about ten ounces; I sewed up the wound, applied the necessary restorative, and he was all right again; to test further the accuracy of the opinion, I had formed as to O'Grady's feigning I looked about, and observed that the bed on which he lay had been removed by him from the bedstead in the corner of the room to the centre of the floor, and placed before a looking glass; I then bethought of the time selected by O'Grady to commit the act, which was at the very moment he heard the officers of the gaol coming into the chapel, and as the turnkey had unlocked the door of his cell; this I deemed a remarkable coincidence, and was forcibly struck wit hit, as O'Grady had the razor in the cell with him for a week previous; the wound was not a dangerous one and did not penetrate the carotid artery; it was upwards towards the chin; my impression was that he brought the bed to the center of the room that he might fall more easy; stood before the glass, and with the razor cut his throat so as not to endanger life; as a further proof of his insanity, from the period he inflicted the wound a great change took place, he refused to take food, kept his teeth clenched, his limbs right, his eyes permanently closed, and his hands also clenched; he kept his eyes shut, so that when the lid was raised you could not see the pupil, for he turned up the white; we endeavoured to open his teeth, but he resisted, and lay motionless; he continued so for several days; there was nothing at all on my mind to induce me to think such a change was consequent upon insanity, nor could I refer it to mental disease. After adverting to a few unimportant matters, Dr. Parker said it was laid down by authors as a theory, that if insanity was feigned, the best way to find it out was by taking the impostor suddenly off his guard, and by so doing he could be made to perform any act, no matter how inconsistent with insanity provided he thought the performance of it would induce the observer to think he was insane. Judge - Let me understand you on this point. Dr. Parker. - My Lord, it is this, that all the efforts of an impostor able to prove that he is mad. For instance, if you tell a man who is not insane that he is mad, he will hear you say so with satisfaction, whereas, if you were to tell a man who is really mad that he is so, he would knock you down. I therefore had recourse to stratagem, and on on going to see O'Grady one day while in bed, I said, in such a way as that he could hear me, it is quite evident this unfortunate man is mad, and therefore we can talk freely of the awful crime, laid to his charge, as he can know nothing of what we are saying but there are some points in the case which may lead to an opposite conclusion, for instance - his mouth is closed and teeth clenched; now that is not the act of a madman, but if, when I place my finger to his mouth he opens his teeth, that will be a convincing proof of his madness. Judge - While you had arrived at quite an opposite conclusion? Dr. Parker - Yes, my lord, I accordingly placed my finger on his lip, and he opened his mouth and teeth! I then said were he to open his eyes when I put my finger on the lids it would be another proof of insanity; I did so, and he opened his eyes which were closed for days before!! Dr. Parker then applied the same test to his hands; on touching the little finger O'Grady opened them at once, also applied the test as to the rigidity of his limbs, and they became as flexible as ever they were!! Dr. Parker was ably cross-examined by Mr. O'Hea, but his direct testimony was not disturbed. Dr. Francis White and Dr. John Nugent, Inspectors General of Lunatic Asylums in Ireland, were each examined, but their testimony as to the prisoner being sane had only reference to personal observations of his manner in prison and at the Lunatic asylum. They came to the conclusion that O'Grady was sane in '47, when a jury found to the contrary. Mr. O'Hea addressed the jury for the defence. The witnesses examined in proof the prisoner's insanity were Dr. Samuel Bennett, of Bruff; Dr. John Peppard, of Bushy Park; Dr. J. Russell, Thomas Cleary, Henry Gilbertson, Rev. Mr. Roche, R.C.C., Mr. J. Murphy, Mr. Wm. Keays, and Rev. Wm. Burke, gaol chaplain. Mr. Henn spoke to evidence, and at nine o'clock the jury were allowed to retire for half an hour to partake of refreshment. At half-past nine his Lordship proceeded to deliver his charge, which occupied an hour and twenty minutes, and was most favourable to the prisoner. The jury then retired for twenty minutes and at half-past eleven o'clock returned a verdict of GUILTY, with a recommendation to mercy. The wretched man heard the result with perfect indifference, and quite unmoved. His Lordship directed him to be brought up next morning for sentence. The Court, which was densely thronged throughout the day, was then cleared. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, March 20, 1850 LIMERICK ASSIZES John O'Grady for the murder of his wife and servant girl, was called up to the bar, upon whom all eyes were intently fixed. The prisoner, a tall, clever man, of a mild aspect and demeanor, past the middle age, was attired in a blue pilot cloth coat, dark vest and white cravat. The prisoner was first arraigned on two counts of the indictment - the first charged with the wilful murder of his wife, Anne O'Grady, at Martinstown, on the 1st of November, 1846; and the second for the wilful murder of his servant girl, Ellen Walsh, at the same place, on the above date. Mr. Sergeant O'Brien, in stating the case, said the facts of the murder were so clear that the jury would have no difficulty whatever in coming to the conclusion that they were perpetrated by the hands of the prisoner. He then detailed the particulars as they subsequently appeared in evidence. The only question to be decided was, whether, at the time the prisoner committed these brutal atrocities, he was within the meaning of the law, insane, or a person of unsound mind - an irresponsible agent, in the eyes of God and man, for the final deed which had been committed on the melancholy occasion of the 1st November, 1846. John Foley, sworn and examined by Mr. Henn - Recollects the 1st November, 1846; was in the service of John O'Grady, at Martinstown; knew Ellen Walsh; O'Grady told me to go out and feed the horse, that he would be going from home; I went to the stable for the purpose; I wasn't more than ten minutes feeding the horses, when he sent me to the field to look at a horse, and when I came back I met John O'Grady in the yard with a bayonet on his left arm upon a short stick; he asked me where the sheep were; I told him they were in the turnip field but that I hunted them out of it into the paddock - he asked me if I knew where the men used to be digging the potatoes every day, I said I did and he desired me to drive the sheep there. I did so. I was not doing so more than 15 minutes and when I came back to the house I couldn't get in as the door was fastened; I went from that into the stable where the horse was; I cleaned the horse and when I was shaking the litter I observed a spot of blood on the ground above where the horse was; when I raised the straw I observed the body of Ellen Walsh; she was in a shocking state under the manger, with her head and face covered with blood and her hair hanging about her; I went for and returned with the Police in half an hour; when I first met O'Grady with the bayonet he was coming from the direction of the stable. William Hurly corroborated Foley's evidence. Head Constable Corry sworn - Went to O'Grady's house when called on; enquired for the prisoner but did not see him; the windows of O'Grady's house were all darkened and strongly bolted; searched every room in the house except one, which I couldn't get the key of; searched the out-offices for O'Grady; but did not find him; found the body of Ellen Walsh in the stable, made up in straw except the head; there was a great deal of blood on the straw; I then went into prisoner's room; on entering I found the ramrod of a pistol, and in the bed was the body of O'Grady's wife; she was on her left side, in the centre of the bed, and the clothes in a sort of bundle over her; she had blood on her neck; I felt her pulse and found she was dead; I arrested O'Grady next morning in the house of a man named Hennigan, who lives only about an English mile form where the murder was committed; I found him lying in bed with his clothes on, except hat and shoes; He was rolled up in a sheet as if to keep the down of the bed from his clothing; I found a case of pistols, loaded, and capped in his pocket; also a powder flask and memorandum book. Mr. James Russell, J.P., sworn - Was at the Inquest on the 2d November in the barn of the prisoner's house; on the jury retiring to consider their verdict, O'Grady turned to witness and said he had one request to make of me; I told him I was there as a magistrate and to say nothing that would hereafter be given against him; he then said - as I know that the verdict that will be returned against me by the Jury will be that of murder, will you send for my attorney, until I get him to draw up a deed of assignment of my property, in order that the crown cannot confiscate on my family. Struck with such a request I communicated with Mr. Coote, and Mr. Keays, solicitor, was sent for; Mr. Keays took down instructions in writing; when the jury returned a verdict of murder, I called on the police to handcuff the prisoner he said, "Good God, Mr. Russell, will you march me through the country with these handcuffs like a murderer?" I told him that as I had command of the police, I would give him a seat in my own gig; he felt much hurt abut being handcuffed, and said, how can I hide them; I got the apron of the gig, threw it over his shoulder, and covered his hands; when we were going out the gat the crowds shouted, and I ordered the police to lead; O'Grady said to them, "boys, 'tis with my own wish I am going along with Mr. Russell and do nothing;" on our way we met Mr. Michael O'Riordan, a relative of the prisoner; O'Grady asked me to stop the gig 'till he'd speak to him; I again told him that he ought to say nothing as he knew I should prove it against him; he said that he knew that; he said to Mr. Riordan, "Good God, very little did you think a few days ago that you would see my father's son marched through the country this way as a murderer;" they shook hands and parted; when we went on I said I was astonished at his going on in such a way, as he knew I should prove all he said; he replied, "I know my only fate is to be hanged, and I wished to "God the gallows were erected on that field, as it is the only atonement I can make in this world for the two dreadful murders I committed yesterday; " on our way he detailed the particulars of the murders to me; he said that on Saturday evening, after returning from Kilfinane in his car with his wife late, he took dinner; that some time after dinner his wife made tea or coffee and put by the side of the fireplace and left the room; he was reading the newspaper and after some time he told his sister to call Mrs. O'Grady down to tea; that she didn't go; that after some time he again asked why she didn't go; that she made answer that Ellen Walshe was there and she wouldn't go; that he then went up stairs and found his wife undressed, and in bed; Ellen Walshe was lying outside her; he said to Ellen Walshe, "you b___h of a w___e is it there you are?" - that he dragged her up and pushed her down stairs; that shortly after his wife came down dressed, filled out the tea, and never spoke to him; that he took the candle, and went up to bed; that about 11 o'clock his wife went up, undressed and went to bed without speaking to him, that he slept little all night; that he got up early next morning to let out the servants; that he saw Ellen Walshe coming out of the parlour; that he said to her you b___h of a devil is it there you are" - that he went to send Foley with the sheep, and then walked in the garden opposite the house; that he saw Ellen Walshe peeping, as if watching him, from the corner of the house; that he saw her run towards the stable; that he pursued her; seized a pitchfork which was at the door, rushed at her and struck her; when I saw that she was killed I didn't like to put my hands to her, and with the pitchfork piked her over under the manger, and covered her with straw; I then returned to the house, locked the door after me, went up stairs to my room and on opening the door said to my wife I had killed Ellen Walshe. "Have you, said she?", " I have, said I;" "I'll be the first to inform against you, said she," "Will you, said I;" " I will, said she, and be the first to prosecute you, upon which I fired one of them danmable pistols at her, and hit her; when I saw her struggling in the bed, I leaped upon her, caught her by the neck with my left hand and drove the contents of the other pistol through her; I then re-loaded the pistols to shoot myself, but saw the Devil at the gates of hell ready to receive my soul, and I cowed at it; I then sat down, and wrote the paper found in my room, determining to drown my self as it required less nerve than to shoot myself; I then reflected that as my friend, Walsh, would be suspected of the murder, it was better to have only one suffer for the crime; I was determined to send for the police, to surrender myself, but changed my mind, and resolved to take my chance, as I had only given the b___s and w___s what they deserved." he said he looked upon Ellen Walsh as a go-between his wife and a young man in Tipperary, and that on that account he had made up his mind to make away with her (Ellen Walsh); he added that he had intended to do it some time before, but could not devise a plan whereby he would escape detection; he spoke of her as a go-between with letters and messages with the young man in Tipperary; with the exception of a conversation in the bridewell of Kilfinan, relative to dietary, &c., nothing else particular transpired; he requested to be left his prayer book, which was done; often before him at fairs and markets in Limerick; never noticed anything particular about him. To the Court - I did not observe anything about him that day to suppose he was insane. Dr. W.D. Murphy sworn - Saw the body of Ellen Walsh; she had several contused wounds on the forehead, which gave the face a livid appearance; also wounds on the neck - all puncture wounds, close to each other; she died from hemorrage, her hair was matted with blood. Mr. John Peate Quinlan, sworn - The deceased, Mr. O'Grady, was my sister; she was married in spring, 1846; was then a medical student, and is now a medical man; never noticed symptoms of insanity about O'Grady; knew Ellen Walsh; her father was herdsman to my father; after my sister's marriage Ellen Walsh went to live with her; I remember O'Grady having charged Ellen Walsh with setting poison for him and his family; he charged Ellen Walsh with having had criminal intercourse with his youngest brother, and said she wanted to poison him to get possession of the place. Dr. Wm. Murphy sworn - Knows the prisoner since his (witness's) childhood; always thought him a very sensible, proper, steady man, and even told the deceased's relatives that he was calculated to make a very good kind husband. Dr. Robert Gelston sworn - Saw the prisoner a morning or two after he was committed to the county gaol; i am surgeon to the County Infirmary, and having heard that he was committed walked across the street and saw him; he was pointed out to me in the day room; when he observed me, he went behind a pillar as if to avoid being seen, and I therefore retired from the place; I saw him after he made the attempt to cut his throat; I saw it stitched up; when I first spoke to him he made no answer; he appeared dejected and thoughtful, like one who would feel remorse; I had a lengthened interview for an hour with him, in the Lunatic Asylum, after his transmission from the gaol to that institution in '47; I considered him sane and rational in his conversation. Dr. J. Wilkinson deposed that he had had sufficient intercourse with prisoner to enable him to form an opinion that he was insane in November, 1846; saw him after he cut his throat; the wound was very serious; have seen many insane persons; was twelve months attending such patients in the old house of industry. To Mr. O'Hea- I gave the same opinion on the trial in 1847. ...to be continued... Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Ian, Dates of the published Griffith's Volumes for Queen's County are 1850-1851. The Revision Books (annual updates) begin in 1855. The annual updates, now held in the Valuation Office in Dublin, were never published, but they have been microfilmed and can be borrowed for use at a Family History Library (LDS) in your area. These books show the year when a property changed hands, either for Lessor [landlord] or Occupier [head of household], and they could help solve your problem if the published books do not.. Ed O'Day ""Ian Loiterton"" <idloit@iimetro.com.au> wrote in message news:000a01c57a17$c72f27c0$b3e6a6cb@ownerszy0clcwb... >I am aware that Griffiths Valuation was conducted between 1848 and 1864. >One reference suggested that it was conducted for Co. Leix between 1851 and >1852 while another said between 1858 and 1860. Can anyone verify which of >these is correct as it makes a significant difference to identifying two >people included in it for the town of Abbeyleix. > > Thank you > > Ian > > Ian Loiterton > Canberra, A.C.T., AUSTRALIA > Researching: BARNETT, DOUGLAS, HAND, KILDEA, LOITERTON, PALMER, RAMSEY, > WEBBER, YOULTEN >

"PaulD" <Paul@yahooooooo.com> wrote in message news:iWqMe.90166$G8.35812@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk... >>> Does anyone know how to find postal codes for Dundalk please? checked >>> Google but no luck. >>> I have found a Ferguson still living in Faughart where our >>> Ferguson's were married in 1858 maybe a descendant??? I have the >>> phone number and street address. We are going to Dundalk in >>> September and would like to write to this person before we go, just >>> to prepare him in case he is older. Thanks >>> Eve Ferguson > > The don't have postal codes in the Republic of Ireland, just street > address, town and county. We have postal codes in Dublin, though the area covered by each code is not as small as that in UK postcodes. There was a proposal recently to introduce more detailed codes, but the postal service said there was no need, and I suppose they would know. -- Trish Dublin, Ireland

"Eve Ferguson" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eve Ferguson" <Coyston@sympatico.ca> > To: <GENIRE.L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:42 PM > Subject: Postal Codes > > >> Hi All >> Does anyone know how to find postal codes for Dundalk please? checked >> Google but no luck. >> I have found a Ferguson still living in Faughart where our >> Ferguson's were married in 1858 maybe a descendant??? I have the >> phone number and street address. We are going to Dundalk in >> September and would like to write to this person before we go, just >> to prepare him in case he is older. Thanks >> Eve Ferguson The don't have postal codes in the Republic of Ireland, just street address, town and county.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Ferguson" <Coyston@sympatico.ca> To: <GENRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 6:50 PM Subject: Poatal Codes > Hi All > Thanks for the information. This address looks rather brief but I will > send letter and hope for the best. > Does anyone have any FERGUSON lines in and around Dundalk??? > Thanks Eve Ferguson

----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve Ferguson" <Coyston@sympatico.ca> To: <GENIRE.L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Postal Codes > Hi All > Does anyone know how to find postal codes for Dundalk please? checked > Google but no luck. > I have found a Ferguson still living in Faughart where our Ferguson's were > married in 1858 maybe a descendant??? I have the phone number and street > address. We are going to Dundalk in September and would like to write to > this person before we go, just to prepare him in case he is older. > Thanks > Eve Ferguson