From The Nenagh Guardian 20 March 1839 -- Clonmel Court. Murder. William Donovan was indicted for the murder of William Ahearn, at Grenane, on the 6th of September, last. Thomas Dwyer deposed that he saw William Ahearn the night in question; remembers the time he was struck at the cross of Grenane; William Donovan, the prisoner, Tom Collopy and witness were together in Tipperary; they left the town together; they met some people at the cross; witness passed the men on the road, and looked back to see if Collopy was coming on, and saw William Donovan , the prisoner, strike the deceased with a stone, which knocked him down; and when down he struck him another blow; shouted for Donovan and ran away; witness and two more persons brought the deceased into the house of man named Dwyer; he was dead, he never spoke a word after he got the blow; the prisoner is the man who struck the blow; he came behind deceased at the time he struck him; did not hear of any quarrel between deceased and the prisoner; never saw the deceased before that day; did not see Collopy at the time deceased was struck; it was not Collopy struck the blow; is positive it was the prisoner. Cross-examined by Mr Rolleston--Came out of gaol now; is not in custody for this murder; on his oath does not know what he was taken for; was taken on the 6th of Sept, the day Ahearn was killed; witness took off his small clothes after Ahearn was murdered, and left them at the house to be dried, as they were wet; was arrested the night of the murder in the house were he was in the habit of working. To a juror--The prisoner struck the second blow when the deceased was down. Mary Ahearn--Was in the town of Tipperary on the 6th of September; left the town with her husband; William Donovan and Thomas Dwyer, the last witness, had some variance on the road with deceased; Rody Murphy bid her husband take up the stones and witness bid him not; her husband asked her to take off his coat, and she would not; witness had some things in her apron, which she had bought in Tipperary, and while she just looked if she had dropped any of them, her husband ran about 20 or 30 perches before her, and when she came up to him he was lying dead on the road; she shook him, and called him, but he was as dead as he is now; there was no one near him on the road; Dwyer, Donovan and Rody Murphy, and deceased, had the argument; her husband had a cut on each side of his head; just as her husband went on before her on the road, Rody Murphy went into Mr. Mansergh's grove. To the Jury--saw Dwyer in the house where they took the deceased to; witness tried to hold Dwyer as she heard some of the people blame him and Donovan, for striking her husband, and Dwyer caught her and threw her down and then made away; Dwyer did not then say it was Donovan struck the blow. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Hello Alison, The convicts of the 'Bangalore' arrived in Tasmania, Australia on July 14, 1848 via Bermuda. Regards, Peter Mayberry Tuggeranong ACT http://www.pcug.org.au/~ppmay/

On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:17:42 -0400, "Malvary J Cole" <malvaryj@sympatico.ca> wrote: >I thought I'd go in and see if there are any reports with my family name >"Derham" - this came up: >DUBLIN POLICE >HENRY-STREET OFFICE > > Stabbing a Female- Friday a young man named Thomas Cooke, residing at >91, Dorset street, was brought before the magistrates in custody, charged >with having stabbed Susan Lloyd (an unfortunate woman of the town) last >evening at the Post office, between nine and ten o'clock. > Police sergeant Derham C.I. stated that he was pissing by the >Post-office at the hour already mentioned, when he saw the prisoner run at >the female and stab her in three different places with a penknife which he >held in his hand. He (the witness) immediately seized him by the collar, >when he became very violent, struck him several times, and during the >struggle, broke the blade of the knife. When taken to the station-house, he >said he'd be hanged for her, but refused to tell what she did to provoke his >wrath or cause his enmity. > The unfortunate young man, it appears, is very respectably connected, >and maintained during the proceedings before the magistrates, the most >dogged silence. > He was committed for trial, their worships not deeming it safe to admit >him to bail. > The woman, who appeared in the office, tho' very much hurt, is not, we >are happy to state, considered in a dangerous state. > > > >The second paragraph refers to the Policeman Derham - but I'm not quite sure >what he was doing near the Post Office :-) - perhaps a bit like the lady in >Belgium who was crushed by a gravestone? > Probably either a mistranscription of "passing", or a prank by a compositor. I don't think a Victorian newspaper would print "pissing" intentionally. -- Don Aitken Mail to the From: address is not read. To email me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com"

From The Times [of London] 17 September 1838 - BRUTAL MURDERS IN TIPPERARY The following is from the correspondent of the Tipperary Free Press, the Radical journal of that county:-- "Cashel, Sept. 8, 1838. "Sir,--I am grieved to have to inform you that the peace and happiness which so generally reigned over this district these months past was last night disturbed and woefully broken by the commission of two murders committed on the same line of road leading from this town, and at different hours. The ill-fated and unhappy victims of revenge, blended with intoxication, were Toby Bourke, of Garnacarty, near this town, and William Ahern, of Drishane, three miles distant. They were both married, and left large families to deplore their loss. Bourke was brutally murdered convenient to Rosanna, in the suburbs of this town, and William Ahern met the same fate at the hill of Grenane ; stones were the deadly weapons used in each case. I refrain for the presernt, for prudential reasons, from mentioning the names of the persons implicated in these barbarous murders, but I have no doubt that the perpetrators will be brought to justice, several having been already arrested. This day an inquest was held on the body by Captain Bradshaw, coroner when a verdict of 'Wilful murder' was returned. The worthy coroner then proceeded at a rapid pace to the lands of Drishane, accompanied by Chief Constable Blake, where he held an inquest on the body of William Ahern, but owing to the late hour he commenced, and after the examination of three witnesses and Surgeon Heuston, he adjourned the inquest until Monday next, the 10th inst., to be held at 11 o'clock, at the police barrack of Donaskeigh. "The principals said to be concerned in each murder were arrested by the police, and are at present confined in Tipperary bridewell." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

In soc.genealogy.ireland Liz J <thejordanschangethistoanatsignclara.net> wrote: :> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - :> Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts :> Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com :> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - : Dennis, I was interested in the link in your signature and followed to try : to find any mention of Cornelius O'Shea in Cork. I put in the search term : and chose Cork, but the results I got did not have any mention of Cornelius : O'Shea or any other O'Shea or Cornelius. What could I be doing wrong? The mistake was in "choosing" Cork. You should just enter Cornelius O'Shea and "Match All Words" to find all of the pages that mention the words Cornelius and O'Shea on the same page, bearing in mind that this could find pages with "Cornelius Sullivan" and "Michael O'Shea". One of the results, for example, is for the death notice of a Denis Patrick, son of Cornelius O'Shea, aged 8 years in 1881 Cork. If you want to just browse the county, then click on "Cork" instead. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Anyone who was helping Sean transcribe old placenames, please contact me. Patrick Traynor. tray@lanset.com

I thought I'd go in and see if there are any reports with my family name "Derham" - this came up: DUBLIN POLICE HENRY-STREET OFFICE Stabbing a Female- Friday a young man named Thomas Cooke, residing at 91, Dorset street, was brought before the magistrates in custody, charged with having stabbed Susan Lloyd (an unfortunate woman of the town) last evening at the Post office, between nine and ten o'clock. Police sergeant Derham C.I. stated that he was pissing by the Post-office at the hour already mentioned, when he saw the prisoner run at the female and stab her in three different places with a penknife which he held in his hand. He (the witness) immediately seized him by the collar, when he became very violent, struck him several times, and during the struggle, broke the blade of the knife. When taken to the station-house, he said he'd be hanged for her, but refused to tell what she did to provoke his wrath or cause his enmity. The unfortunate young man, it appears, is very respectably connected, and maintained during the proceedings before the magistrates, the most dogged silence. He was committed for trial, their worships not deeming it safe to admit him to bail. The woman, who appeared in the office, tho' very much hurt, is not, we are happy to state, considered in a dangerous state. The second paragraph refers to the Policeman Derham - but I'm not quite sure what he was doing near the Post Office :-) - perhaps a bit like the lady in Belgium who was crushed by a gravestone? Malvary in OTtawa

>> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts >> Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > Dennis, I was interested in the link in your signature and followed to try > to find any mention of Cornelius O'Shea in Cork. I put in the search term > and chose Cork, but the results I got did not have any mention of > Cornelius O'Shea or any other O'Shea or Cornelius. What could I be doing > wrong? > > TIA > > liz > Ignore me, I have sussed it. I am an idiot. Liz

"Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> wrote in message news:dfpj40$bpo$1@pcls4.std.com... > From The Nenagh Guardian 12 September 1838 -- > > Two Murders! On Thursday night, about half past nine o'clock, as Mr > James Scully's herdsman of the name of Bourke, who lived on his farm > at Garnacanty, was on his way home, he was waylaid and brutally > murdered about forty perches outside the town of Tipperary.There are > two persons taken up on suspicion of murder. > > Also same evening, as a man of the name of Ahern, was proceeding > home to Donaskee, with a pair of shoes in his hand, he was attacked > and murdered at Grenane by two men. No reason can be assigned for > these atrocities.--Limerick Chronicle. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts > Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis, I was interested in the link in your signature and followed to try to find any mention of Cornelius O'Shea in Cork. I put in the search term and chose Cork, but the results I got did not have any mention of Cornelius O'Shea or any other O'Shea or Cornelius. What could I be doing wrong? TIA liz

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, March 20, 1850 THE ARMY Captain Scott, Kings Dragoon Guards, senior of his rank, is gezetted by purchase to the Majority of the Regiment, and the next senior, Lieutenant O'Callaghan to the command of a troop. The Coloneley of the 43d Light Infantry is vacant by the death of Lieutenant-General the Hon. Sir Hercules R. Packenham, who entered the army as Ensign in July 1803. Lord George Paget, Lieut. Col. 4th Dragoons, is shortly to be married to the daughter of Lord Castlemaine. Wednesday was the anniversary of the defeat of the French before Alexandria, in 1801, by the late General Sir Ralph Abercromby. The command of the 5th Light Dragoons, Athlone, in the absence of the held officers, has devolved upon Capt,. Halkett. Major De Salis and Captain Lord Killeen, 8th Hussars, rejoin from leave on the 31st, when the Regiment embarks at Dublin en route to Brighton. Captain and Brevet Lt. Col. Gough, 3d Light Dragoons, is to exchange with Captain Napier, to enable the former to resume his appointment of Quarter Master General to the Queen's troops in India. Lieutenant Nolan, Riding Master to the 15th Hussars, has purchased his troop in the Regt. Lieut. Cookes, 3d Light Dragoons, on the Recruiting staff in London, is nominated to an unattached company by purchase. Capt. Sharp, 72d, who served in the war in China, with the 26th, has purchased his Majority in the 72d. Captain Robinson, 72d held that rank seven years before Major Sharp entered the army as Ensign! The Depot Paymaster 72d is vacant by the promotion of Lieut. Rocke to a company. A Troop Sergeant Major of the 4th Dragoon Guards has purchased his Ensigncy in the 2d West. The 21st Fusiliers move from Edinburgh to Glasgow on the 5th April. Captain Scott, 51st Light Infantry, sold out of the service on Friday. Ensign Baillie, 51st, has purchased his Lieutenancy after twelve months, over half a dozen senior officers. Lord Lurgan has held the commission of Ensign in three Regiments in three months, 43d, 76th and 16th. Major-General James Ferguson gets one of the two vacant regiments. Lieut. Ashworth, 19th, has arrived from Canada, to succeed Ensign Lidwell as Depot Adjutant. Lt. Col. Orange, 67th, is about to retire by the sale of his commission. Drafts of the 5th, 20th, 45th, 97th, and 2nd Rifle Brigade, are under orders to join their service companions. THE CHURCH The Bishop of Down has appointed the Rev. Robert Parke of the living held by the late Rev. Mr. Archer of Hilltown. The Rev. Robert Vance is nominated by the Earl of Meath to the living of St. Catherine, Dublin. The Rev. Robert Charles Barclay, A.B., is licensed to the curacy of Kilbroney, diocese of Dromore. The Rev. Anthony Lefroy Courtenay has been appointed domestic chaplain to the Earl of Hardwicke. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

From The Nenagh Guardian 12 September 1838 -- Two Murders! On Thursday night, about half past nine o'clock, as Mr James Scully's herdsman of the name of Bourke, who lived on his farm at Garnacanty, was on his way home, he was waylaid and brutally murdered about forty perches outside the town of Tipperary.There are two persons taken up on suspicion of murder. Also same evening, as a man of the name of Ahern, was proceeding home to Donaskee, with a pair of shoes in his hand, he was attacked and murdered at Grenane by two men. No reason can be assigned for these atrocities.--Limerick Chronicle. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Jeez ...who ratttled Gaylord "the pretender" bucket chain again. I would have thought he would have got totally drunk and gone to sleep by now! John H <sir_crispin_gaylord@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:1126116928.963620.105590@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Budgie wrote: > > So it doesn't have any names of peasants living in the area? > > Sir > > Of course it doesn't! After all it is only right that their dreary and > incontinent lives should go unremembered. Who would wish to find that > they are in descent from a long line of rustic savages when they can > fondly imagine that they are a kinsman of someone like myself who is in > descent from a distinguished line of peers of the realm. > > Yours, etc > > Sir Crispin Gaylord, Bt >

Dennis Ahern <ahern@world.std.com> wrote: > GKM <gkmcauliff@cox.net> wrote: > > :> http://www.genfindit.com/ibirths.htm > :> LDS Film Numbers for Index to Irish civil birth records > > : Dennis: Is there a corresponding one for England, or for England and Wales? > : Evidently the "i" at the beginning of "ibirths" refers to Ireland. Might > : there be different letters corresponding English or England and Wales? > > I don't know, but you can go to the LDS website and search the catalog by > locality. > > See: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/ > supermainframeset.asp?display=localitysearch&columns=*,180,0 > [cut and paste onto one line] > LDS Family History Catalog by Location There are also some other sites, mostly pay-per-view. www.1837online.com (scans of index pages like the Irish index). You pay to see the index, then you copy down the ref for ordering your cert. http://www.freebmd.org.uk (which is free to search. You would then have to order a certificate from the GRO). This is as yet incomplete. http://www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ (1901 census for England and Wales which you can search free but you have to pay for images). Ancestry has the 1901 census free for the month of September (including access to original images) at http://www.1901-census.com/access/?o_xid=19947&o_lid=19947&o_xt=11149&so urcecode=19947 <www.ancestry.co.uk> has a free 14 day trial for all their stuff but you have to give your credit-card number, so don't forget to cancel in good time. Very useful for access to early census records. Sometimes their transcription is terrible, so be prepared to be creative in your searches. Useful info also on soc.genealogy.britain Good luck Maire Black

"Eddy Landzaat" <nieuwsgroep@landzaat.info> wrote in message news:Xns96CAB26C7AB5Aeddylandzaathomenl@213.51.129.36... > > Sorry, no Michael Canty on this CD. > I have Catherine, Cnoghor, Gylian, Owen, Patrick, Susanna and Thomas Cantry > and one Teige Cantrye, bur no Micheal. > Thanks for looking. -- Budgie NB Reply to newsgroup. Email address will get you nowhere

"Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> wrote in message news:dfmmk8$e0q$1@pcls4.std.com... > > For information on his tenants, examine the Earl of Bandon's estate > records, which several years ago were being indexed at the Cork Archives > Institute on South Main Street in Cork City. > Thanks for the info. Just in case anyone turns up any names, it's Michael Canty that I'm after. He was born in Cork, Ireland about 1798, and was married to Mary, born 1799 or 1800 in Bandon, Cork. Their daughter Ann was born 1820 in Bristol, Gloucestershire which narrows down the date of moving, but whether they were married in Ireland or England I don't know. -- Budgie NB Reply to newsgroup. Email address will get you nowhere.

Good Day Everyone, I'm actually waiting for the Irish Source Records 1500 - 1800's to arrive in the mail from Dungannon. It may take awhile considering I live in Cockeysville, Maryland USA but if no one else is offering I'll be glad to check the CD when it arrives for the information you requested. I've printed out your email (Budgie) and (Sue in Florida) and I'll try to help out if someone else doesn't beat me to it :)) Kind regards, Michelle

Budgie <pju@hotpop.com> wrote: :> There is just one "Earl of Bandon" mentioned, residing in Castle Bernard, :> Bandon and owner of quite soe property: 40,941 A, 3 P, 0 R with a :> valuation of 19,215 pound 5 shilling. : So it doesn't have any names of 'peasants' living in the area? For information on his tenants, examine the Earl of Bandon's estate records, which several years ago were being indexed at the Cork Archives Institute on South Main Street in Cork City. -dja

Budgie wrote: > So it doesn't have any names of peasants living in the area? Sir Of course it doesn't! After all it is only right that their dreary and incontinent lives should go unremembered. Who would wish to find that they are in descent from a long line of rustic savages when they can fondly imagine that they are a kinsman of someone like myself who is in descent from a distinguished line of peers of the realm. Yours, etc Sir Crispin Gaylord, Bt

"Eddy Landzaat" <nieuwsgroep@landzaat.info> wrote in message news:Xns96CA26B80F055eddylandzaathomenl@213.51.129.36... > There is just one "Earl of Bandon" mentioned, residing in Castle Bernard, > Bandon and owner of quite soe property: 40,941 A, 3 P, 0 R with a valuation > of 19,215 pound 5 shilling. So it doesn't have any names of 'peasants' living in the area? -- Budgie NB Reply to newsgroup. Email address will get you nowhere.

Transcribed from the 7 January 1848 issue of The Armagh Guardian newspaper, by permission of The British Library: A Fugitive from Ireland Arrested.--The 'Boston Post', of January 15, says:--"In August last Wm. R. Derinsey, an inspector of finance in Monaghan county, Ireland, arrived at New York, and exchanged Bank of England notes to some amount for New Jersey money. Proceeding to New Brunswick, and deposit- ing his funds in the state bank there, he bought a farms on the Ratitan and settled with a wife. Mr. Thornton, of the London detective police, arrived in the Caledonia last week in pursuit of him. With the aid of officers Hays, Gilbert, and Stevens, the transaction at Taylor's office was ascertained, and the fellow thus traced to New Brunswick, where Hays, on Monday, applied to a magistrate for a warrant, which could not be properly issued. Hays then called at Derinsey's house, professedly with a message that a portion of the money he received from the Wall-street broker was bad, and that he would do well to see him imme- diately. Hays left on receiving a note to Mr. Taylor that he would see him next day. Leaving an agent in New Brunswick to watch and telegraph his move- ments, Hays returned to the city, and upon Derinsey's arrival at Cortlandt-street, is charged, with having absconded with over 3,000 dols, [sic] of the donations en- trusted to his care as treasurer by the British com- missioners of public works for his starving countrymen in Monaghan. He was in this country six years ago, and left a wife and two children here. Shortly after embezzling the relief funds, it is said he married ano- ther wife abroad, from whom he obtained some 1,500 dols. more, and then deserting her, fled to this coun- try, and joined his first wife and children. On being arrested, he confessed the embezzlement, and refunded some 2,000 dols. Thomas Warner, Esq., counsel for the British officer, proceeded to Washington for au- thority to deliver him for trial in England." ============================================================ Alison Causton Annapolis Valley, Nova Scotia