Hi, Dennis! Do you suppose there is any chance that the ship (barque Euphenia) mentioned in your Irish newspaper extract could be the barque Euphemia? My immigrant ancestor arrived on the ship Euphemia from Liverpool to New Orleans, LA on Oct. 20, 1849. Just curious! I read somewhere that the Euphemia was used as a prison ship at some point later. Joni
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:53:03 +0100, frank duffy wrote: > "Pat T" <tray@lanset.com> wrote in message > news:6.1.2.0.0.20050913072802.01871228@pop3.lanset.com... >> This couldn't be our Sir Crispin Gaylord, could it? >> "Gay Lord" may have been substituted to hide his true identity (and >> sexual preference). > > How about this quare eejit > > http://profiles.yahoo.com/sir_crispin_gaylord And the portrait shown there will be instantly recognisable to all British TV viewers! Thus proving, if we didn't already know this - and also assuming that this is the work of THE Sir Crispin, that he has a nice sense of humour and enjoys pulling the legs of certain obsessives who post here. :-) I'm putting on my flame-proof gear right now..... Cheers, Roy
"Pat T" <tray@lanset.com> wrote in message news:6.1.2.0.0.20050913072802.01871228@pop3.lanset.com... > This couldn't be our Sir Crispin Gaylord, could it? > "Gay Lord" may have been substituted to hide his true identity (and > sexual preference). How about this quare eejit http://profiles.yahoo.com/sir_crispin_gaylord
Slarty wrote: > On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:53:03 +0100, frank duffy wrote: > > > "Pat T" <tray@lanset.com> wrote in message > > news:6.1.2.0.0.20050913072802.01871228@pop3.lanset.com... > >> This couldn't be our Sir Crispin Gaylord, could it? > >> "Gay Lord" may have been substituted to hide his true identity (and > >> sexual preference). > > > > How about this quare eejit > > > > http://profiles.yahoo.com/sir_crispin_gaylord > > And the portrait shown there will be instantly recognisable to all British > TV viewers! Some of us don't watch TV, especially foreign muck, so care to let us in on the secret? > > Thus proving, if we didn't already know this - and also assuming that this > is the work of THE Sir Crispin, that he has a nice sense of humour and > enjoys pulling the legs of certain obsessives who post here. :-) > > I'm putting on my flame-proof gear right now..... > > Cheers, > > Roy
See: http://www.nationalarchives.ie/topics/transportation/search01.html http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jwilliams4/cons.htm http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/list.html There's Rootsweb lists including convicts to Port Jackson which is a pretty active list and a Irish convict list. There are separately a number of State sites if you know where your convict went to. Hope this helps. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "QuietMan" <quietman@proudirish.com> To: <GENIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: Penal Colonists > Are there any records of those poor unfortunate Irish sent off to > Botany Bay and other English penal colonies? > > ______________________________
Would love a copy TIA Peter Sullivan kee.one@virgin.net
Many thanks to the several who have come up with ideas. Now at least I've something to work with. peter
From The Cork Examiner, 6 January 1866 - FURTHER SHIPPING CASUALTIES. ---------- CROOKHAVEN JAN. 4TH, 1866.--S.S. Limerick, for Limerick, left this harbour to-day. I have been told that a brig, laden with tobacco, from Virginia, is on shore at Whitehall, near Turk Head, and that her cargo is being discharged. It seems that she went ashore the morning the Leander went into Skull Bay. This must be the brig reported by the barque Euphenia, which, as she came into Gascinane Sound, had the same mast gone and her cargo in bags.--Correspondent. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild, Irish Maritime News Acton, Mass. | http://immigrantships.net/newsarticles/newsarticles.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 01:05:06 GMT, QuietMan wrote: > >Are there any records of those poor unfortunate Irish sent off to >Botany Bay and other English penal colonies? The Eire government gave such a list of convicts sent to Australia as a gift for the 200th birthday of the founding of NSW. Have a look at:- http://www.pcug.org.au/~ppmay/convicts.htm Tom Cheers, Tom [Tom Perrett] <tomp@st.net.au> Proud to be member of Melbournee DPS, first port of call re Victorian research - http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dpsoc
Pat T wrote: > This couldn't be our Sir Crispin Gaylord, could it? > "Gay Lord" may have been substituted to hide his true identity (and > sexual preference). > > But maybe the Crispin name is not that uncommon. > There is a Sir Crispin Tickell also. (Google searches) > > Patrick Traynor. tray@lanset.com Tee Hee... There is also Sir Crispin Davis! I am soon to take delivery of a dog and am considering calling him Sir Crispin. He is not I fear of noble lineage as he is a scruffy little mut from the local pound. Methinks you know who will not be impressed! cheers Maggie
Are there any records of those poor unfortunate Irish sent off to Botany Bay and other English penal colonies?
Never anonymous Bud <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote: : I have a CD copy of an 1851 book, with what is supposed to be ALL the : townlands of Ireland. If anyone would like a copy, it's over 4 megs : compressed, and opens to an 18 meg Excel spreadsheet with over 65000 : entries. Issues of copyright infringement aside, why would anyone want to do this when the 1851 book was used as the source material for the IreAtlas database at http://www.seanruad.com -dja
"Never anonymous Bud" wrote: >I have a CD copy of an 1851 book, with what is supposed to be ALL the >townlands of Ireland. If anyone would like a copy, it's over 4 megs >compressed, and opens to an 18 meg Excel spreadsheet with over 65000 >entries. I would love to have you send me that 4 megs file. Thank you. Send to tray@lanset.com -- Sent via Genealogy Newsgroups http://www.genealogynewsgroups.com
yes i would like a copy as well - send to irish1817@hotmail.com Thanks. John "Never anonymous Bud" <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote in message news:bajgi1hhnnupicsh3v349dsmfji0kb7i8l@4ax.com... > Using a finger dipped in purple ink, tray@lanset.com (Pat T) scribed: > >>>Are Gortuchar and Gortahurk one and the same? >>>Could one just be misspelled or was the name changed? >>>Thanks in advance for any and all responses. >>>Joanne >> >> >>I don't find a Gortuchar in any county, but there is a Gortahurk in the >>neighboring counties of Fermanagh and Derry. > > I have a CD copy of an 1851 book, with what is supposed to be ALL the > townlands of Ireland. If anyone would like a copy, it's over 4 megs > compressed, and opens to an 18 meg Excel spreadsheet with over 65000 > entries. > > In it, it has this for 'gorta*' > (I'd suspect Gortaclare might be Gortachar, > they exist in Londonderry, Tyrone, Clare, and Limerick)... > > There is no Gortuchar. > > Gortaboy > Gortacallow > Gortacappul > Gortacar > Gortacar (Doris) > Gortacar (Glassy) > Gortacareen > Gortacarn > Gortacarnan > Gortacarnaun > Gortacarnaun > Gortacasheln > Gortachalla > Gortachallow > Gortacharn > Gortachoosh > Gortachurk > Gortachurk > Gortaclade > Gortaclady > Gortaclare > Gortaclare > Gortaclare > Gortaclare > Gortaclareen > Gortaclee > Gortaclivore > Gortaclob > Gortacloghan > Gortacloghan > Gortacloghane > Gortacloghane > Gortaclogher > Gortacloona > Gortacloona > Gortacluggy > Gortacollopa > Gortacoosan > Gortacoosaun > Gortacorka > Gortacoula > Gortacrank > Gortacreenteen > Gortacroghig > Gortacrossane > Gortacrossig > Gortacrue > Gortacullin > Gortacullin > Gortaculrush > Gortacur > Gortacurra > Gortacurra > Gortacurraun > Gortacurrig > Gortacurrig > Gortadalaun > Gortadeegan > Gortaderry > Gortaderry > Gortaderry > Gortadirra > Gortadoo > Gortadooey > Gortadragaun > Gortadragon > Gortadrehid > Gortadrehid Big > Gortadrehid Little > Gortadrislig > Gortadrohid > Gortadroma > Gortadroma > Gortadullisk > Gortaficka > Gortafludig > Gortaforia > Gortagammon > Gortaganniff > Gortaganniv > Gortaganny > Gortaganny > Gortaganny > Gortaganny > Gortagarraun > Gortagarry > Gortagarry > Gortagass > Gortagea > Gortageen > Gortagenerick > Gortaggle > Gortagharn > Gortagherty Lower > Gortagherty Upper > Gortaghokera > Gortaghragan > Gortagilly > Gortagoulane > Gortagoulane > Gortagousta > Gortagowan > Gortagowan > Gortagowan > Gortagowlane > Gortagraffer > Gortagreenane > Gortagrenane > Gortagullane > Gortagullane > Gortagurrane East > Gortagurrane Wast > Gortaha > Gortahar > Gortaheeda > Gortaheran > Gortahile > Gortahilly > Gortahoola > Gortahoonig > Gortahoosh > Gortahork > Gortahork > Gortahork > Gortahumma > Gortahurk > Gortahurk > Gortahurk East > Gortahurk West > Gortakeeghan > Gortakeeran > Gortakeeran > Gortakilleen > Gortakilleen > Gortaknockane > Gortaknockeare > Gortalaban > Gortalassa > Gortalassa > Gortalassa > Gortalassa > Gortalassa > Gortalavaun > Gortaleam > Gortalee > Gortaleen > Gortaleen > Gortaleen-mountain > Gortalia > Gortalicka > Gortalinny North > Gortalinny South > Gortaliscaw > Gortaloman > Gortalough > Gortalough > Gortalough > Gortalougha > Gortaloughan > Gortaloughane > Gortaloughane > Gortalowry > Gortalughany > Gortalughany > Gortamaddy > Gortamarle > Gortamney > Gortamullin > Gortanabla > Gortanacra > Gortanahaneboy East > Gortanahaneboy West > Gortananny > Gortanassy East > Gortanassy West > Gortanddan > Gortaneadin > Gortanear > Gortanear > Gortaneare > Gortaneare > Gortaneare > Gortaneden > Gortaneden > Gortaneden > Gortaneelig > Gortanerrig > Gortanewry > Gortaniddan > Gortanierin > Gortanimerisk > Gortanimill > Gortaniska > Gortanisky > Gortanny > Gortanoura > Gortanummera > Gortanure > Gortanure > Gortanure North > Gortanure South > Gortaphuill > Gortaphuill > Gortaphuill > Gortaphuntaun > Gortaquigley > Gortaquill > Gortard > Gortard > Gortard > Gortard > Gortaree > Gortaree > Gortaree > Gortarevan > Gortarica > Gortaroe > Gortaroe > Gortaroe > Gortaroo > Gortarowey > Gortaruaun > Gortarush Lower > Gortarush Upper > Gortaskibbole > Gortaspiddale > Gortataggart > Gortataggart > Gortatanavally > Gortateean > Gortateeboy > Gortatemple > Gortatlea > Gortatlea > Gortatleva > Gortatleva > Gortatober > Gortatoger > Gortatoger > Gortatole > Gortatole > Gortatooda > Gortatoor > Gortatornora > Gortatrassa > Gortatray > Gortatray > Gortatray Bog > Gortatresk > Gortavacan > Gortavacoosh > Gortavadda > Gortavale > Gortavalla > Gortavalla > Gortavalla East > Gortavalla North > Gortavalla South > Gortavallig > Gortavallig > Gortavally > Gortavally > Gortavaura > Gortavea > Gortaveer > Gortaveha > Gortavehy East > Gortavehy West > Gortavella > Gortavicary > Gortavilly > Gortavoata > Gortavoher > Gortavoher > Gortavoher > Gortavoher East > Gortavoher West > Gortavoy > Gortavranner > Gortavrulla > Gortavullin > Gortaward > Gortawarla > Gortaway > Gortawee > Gortawoer > Gortawullaun > Gortawullaun > > > -- > > Lumber Cartel (tinlc) #2063. 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As the song says "its a long way to Tipperary", and certainly Leitrim is a long way, so Dennis' suggestion of Drumshambo seems unlikley. Dermishambo must be a mis-spelling or mis-reading, as it does not sound like any Gaelic word. Could "Dermi" be either of the following, which are very common prefixes to Irish names- Derry/Derrin (meaning an oak wood) or Drum/Drom (meaning an animals back, or a round shaped hill) Possible townlands in the Laois area are - Derrin (which happens to be beside Shanboe) = Derrin-Shanboe?? Derreen Derrinsallagh Drumashellig or in Tipperary- Derreen Derrinsallow John "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> wrote in message news:dg925s$7rt$2@pcls4.std.com... > Peter M Kilburn <kilmo57@yahoo.com> wrote: > : I have an oldish manuscript document from the family, which states that one > : of my (C of I) ancestors married a Roman Catholic Howard who it is claimed, > : was born "on May 5, 1840 in Tipperary, Parish of Dermishambo". > > Closest I can come up with is Dromshambo or Drumshambo in county Leitrim. > > -dja >
Peter (apparently) at kilmo57@yahoo.com writes: << born "on May 5, 1840 in Tipperary, Parish of Dermishambo". I can't find such a parish. Can anyone help? My ancestor lived on the edge of the Slieve Bloom Mountains in Queen's (Laois) and therefore not very far from Tipperary. >> Peter, This is going to be tough. But firstly, I assume that the latter part of the placename is Shanbo, as there are at least a couple of them I'm of which I'm aware. The "shan" part means old and I'd guess the "bo" comes from cow. So we have "old cow" at the end of the placename <gr>. But the only shanbos I know are a pair of Atshanbo(e) townlands a few miles west of Thurles, Co. Tipp., and a small settlement of Templeshanbo in Co. Wexford near Mt. Leinster. None of them really near the Slieve Blooms. Now, we are left with the "Dermi". If the "m" is really two letters, such as "in", then we'd have a Derini prefix. This could easily be the sound of a Derryna or even, possibly, a Tooreena. So I have created two possible townland names, Derrynashanbo or Tooreenashanbo......... neither of which appear to exist (at least, officially). That's as far as I've gotten with my speculations. Perhaps someone else has some suggestions? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts
Peter M Kilburn <kilmo57@yahoo.com> wrote: : I have an oldish manuscript document from the family, which states that one : of my (C of I) ancestors married a Roman Catholic Howard who it is claimed, : was born "on May 5, 1840 in Tipperary, Parish of Dermishambo". Closest I can come up with is Dromshambo or Drumshambo in county Leitrim. -dja
From The Cork Examiner, 17 August 1878 - ADDRESS AND TESTIMONIAL.--As will be seen by our advertising columns of to-day, Mr. John C. Palmer, late manager Messrs. Cash & Company, Limited, Cork, was presented by the staff of the above with an address and testimonial. The address was presented at his residence, Clapham, London. The following gentlemen attended as a deputation--Mr. D. Sheehan, Mr. T. Hennessy, and Mr. O'Brien. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"James Duffy" <JDUFFY3@austin.rr.com> wrote................. >For some time I've been trying to pinpoint an area in County Donegal. >Hopefully someone on the list will be able to give me some answers to this >question about the following locations in County Donegal. > >A letter from a family member written in 1904 has the return address: ( >The handwriting is very clear and nicely written) > >Gortuchar >Killygordon >County Donegal >Ireland > >The 1901 Censaus of Ireland has the following location: >Donegal East >PLU: Stranolar >District Electoral Division: Stranolar >Baroney: Raphoe South >Parish : Stranolar >District: Raphoe >Townland: Gortahurk >Sub-District: Crossroads > >Are Gortuchar and Gortahurk one and the same? >Could one just be misspelled or was the name changed? >Thanks in advance for any and all responses. >Joanne I don't find a Gortuchar in any county, but there is a Gortahurk in the neighboring counties of Fermanagh and Derry. In Fermanagh, there is a Gortahurk, a Gortahurk East, and a Gortahurk West. The East & West ones are in Cleenish parish and the other in Tomregan parish. In Derry, it is in Kilcronaghan parish and is 878 acres in size. Maybe Gortuchar is a house name? Some use those in place of a house number, though they usually put it in quotation marks. My source is not complete so you should look at the Irish Atlas site and check there. Killygordon is a town, as opposed to a townland. It is in Donaghmore parish in Co. Donegal. Patrick Traynor. tray@lanset.com
A Chairde, The September 2005 issue of the Monthly Newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland is now uploaded to the Society's Website www.familyhistory.ie Topics covered: + New Chief Herald Appointed + Committee on Genealogy & Heraldry established + Crestfallen in "Dun Logo" + The Endurance + Rare Railway Locomotive Damaged + Photographic Collection + John Hayes-Hatton + National Maritime Museum + Local History Day + Medal Society + Michael Collins + Royal Dublin Fusiliers + Tax Relief for Donations + Queries Received + Commemorative Ceremony - 25th October 2005 + New Publication + Diary Dates + Another Cemetery Recorded + Courses in Genealogy + Society Appointments + Website Development + European Flag - 50th Anniversary Kindest regards Michael Merrigan Hon. Secretary Genealogical Society of Ireland www.familyhistory.ie