Kathleen Lott <klott@tds.net> wrote: :> How about the Seach for Missing Friends series of advertisements in the :> Boston Pilot? See http://tiara.ie/missing.html : You may find these volumes in a nearby library, check at you local library : as they can find out by doing an interlibrary loan search. I know there is : a set at the library at Dartmouth College in Hanover, NH. See also Index to Missing Friends Ads (incomplete) at http://infowanted.bc.edu/

Dennis Ahern wrote: > In the Registers of Seamen's Services it gives a place of birth and a > date. Is the date the date of birth, or is it a date related to the > military service? >From what I've seen so far, it's the date of birth when a specific date is given, but when it's just a range (e.g. 1892-1907) it seems to be the date of entry into the navy. Also from what I've seen so far, the date of birth isn't always very accurate. :-)

Thanks, That was my next question. wish me luck. James Leach 42 Williams Rd Smithfield, RI -- Sent via Genealogy Newsgroups http://www.genealogynewsgroups.com

I think that the Irish who were sent to the West Indies that Mary refers to were sent by Cromwell and his cronies Barry "Mary Beaumont" <nogobeau@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message news:43313910$1@news.alphalink.com.au... >I believe a large amount of Irish 'slaves' were sent off to the West Indies >very early on . Mary > > Ron Martell wrote: > >> QuietMan <quietman@proudirish.com> wrote: >> >> >>>Are there any records of those poor unfortunate Irish sent off to >>>Botany Bay and other English penal colonies? >> >> >> The records of convicts sent to Australia are pretty complete. >> >> However prior to the use of Australia for penal colonies there were a >> considerable number sent to various locations in North America, and >> recors of these have largely been lost, or at least not yet made >> generally available to the public. >> >> I have some information about one shipload in 1788 on my website at >> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca/martellfa/extras/convicts.htm and there are >> some other ships mentioned there as well. >> >> Any additional information about this group would be appreciated. >> >> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada

I believe a large amount of Irish 'slaves' were sent off to the West Indies very early on . Mary Ron Martell wrote: > QuietMan <quietman@proudirish.com> wrote: > > >>Are there any records of those poor unfortunate Irish sent off to >>Botany Bay and other English penal colonies? > > > The records of convicts sent to Australia are pretty complete. > > However prior to the use of Australia for penal colonies there were a > considerable number sent to various locations in North America, and > recors of these have largely been lost, or at least not yet made > generally available to the public. > > I have some information about one shipload in 1788 on my website at > http://onlinehelp.bc.ca/martellfa/extras/convicts.htm and there are > some other ships mentioned there as well. > > Any additional information about this group would be appreciated. > > Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada

Have you ever thought of night school for some English and Grammar lessons ? Then you might be able to launch this on the correct site. This newsgroup is for genealogists, not vitriologists. marthawhite2000@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Publicize thieves' criminal record anonymously on internet. > > On December 25th, 2001, I found out that my digital camera and many > other electronic good is missing. I frustratedly search diligently all > over the place, only to find out it's really gone. Someone stole it. > > I graciously tell 500 people that the thief have 24 hours to fully and > unconditionally return my property. I was fined $273 further for > intentionally "annoying" the thief. > > Since then, day and night I yearn for vengeance and justice that never > come. Every December 25th, I spend 10% of my earning to buy electronic > goods I destroy to commemorate my lost of properties in the hand of > thieves. > > I was surprised... Honest people making honest money has to pay tax. > Fine for misparking, smoking, missing immigration document, have > someone stupidly pour coffee on her own lap, can result in lawsuits and > fine that's so disproportionate with damage cause. It doesn't matter > that the person doing it doesn't have malevolent intention. It > doesn't matter it's done undeliberately. It doesn't matter that the > freaking law is so complicated it's hard to understand. People are mean > to good honest people. > > A whole family kill themselves, because a Judge convicts him of making > "frivolous argument" against income tax. Many productive Jews and > capitalists, are killed everywhere by angry mob that are envy of them. > > Good people are being slaughtered, yet when one inferior vermin > deliberately, malevolently steal, there isn't enough deterrence to > prevent them from doing so. Government's message is forgiveness and > appeasements. > > Thieves and larcenies take money away from productive individual. > However, thanks to a loophole in the law, thieves' victim has the right > to know the identity of thieves. The purpose is for lawsuits, which is > expensive and tend to hurt more financially responsible individual > rather than the guilty. However, any thief victim can use the identity > for vengeance by anonymously posting thieves' conviction record on > the net. > > To protect thieves government do not post conviction records on > internet. Thieves are way more dangerous than sex crimes. The latter > are often victimless and consensual. Yet the latter is forced to > publicly report their conviction, while thieves are not. > > If you're a thief's victim, don't you want vengeance? Don't you want to > give a hard time to vermin that failed to respect your right? Don't you > want to get down to their level and play in the same playing field with > those thieves and robbers, say by killing them? Unfortunately > governments need thieves to terrorize good hones productive individual, > and hence protect thieves from that. If you kill even one thief, you'll > go to jail. That's a waste of time. So many parasites, so little time > to slaughter all of them. > > But there is something you can do. You can post their conviction record > all over the internet anonymously in newsgroup. > > Good people and good businessmen often have their reputation tarnished > for very little or even no mistake. They're often getting sued > frivolously. It's about time we treat parasites, at last as cruel as > the way we treat good people to flatten up the playing field. This will > motivate people to be good instead. > > The sole purpose why we need government is security. If we let the > worthless die and kill parasites, the market will take care of the > rest. We can even make the deal sweeter to the parasitic inferior > people that cannot make money productively by getting them high with > drugs as long as they stop making kids. Yet, governments virtually > prohibit consensual acts and rewards in consensual ones. No wonder > we're not moving forward fast enough. > > Some innocent people may get imaginary conviction there, but every > conviction records can always be double checked by potential employer, > or neighbor. Employers are less likely to hire those evil vermin. > Hence, the world will be a safer place. > > Some would argue that thieves without a job will steal again. Well, > guns, properly used, don't kill people. They kill vermin. We shouldn't > reward evil acts with appeasement. If we do, we'll end up like the Jews > in Second World War, or Jesus. We should reward evil, justly, with > evil. > > An eye for an eye is good enough for those vermin's. When inferior > people oppose us, we should get down to their level, and fight them > within their own game. > > Money don't bring happiness, vengeance does. Avenge your lost of > property. Exterminate thieves. We'll all be better of. > > http://www.petitiononline.com/thiefcon/petition.html >

HBH 1890 April 22 CORRIE v THOMPSON from IRELAND Page Two WANGANUI Sunday The Supreme Court was engaged on Friday and yesterday with an interesting civil case CORRIE v THOMPSON, in which the statement of claim sets forth that in 1854 the father of the plaintiff died at KILMORE, IRELAND, leaving his property to his children, James, Margaret, and David, subject to a life interest to his widow. In 1867 the defendant THOMPSON, it is alleged, transmitted certain moneys to New Zealand for investment, and in 1868 the parties left IRELAND, and became residents in New Zealand. It is further alleged that THOMPSON employed these moneys in purchasing and stocking land in the WAITOTARA district. In 1876 the defendant was said to have employed certain moneys in acquiring the KAIWHAHI freehold, and in November, 1877, induced the plaintiff and his brother James to purchase the said land for £7017, of which £1000 was paid by plaintiff out of money he was individually entitled to under the will of his father, and the balance of £6015 was represented by THOMPSON as being shares of plaintiff and his brother James in the trust money. They also signed a receipt as for their joint shares. The plaintiff prayed for the discovery of the will, of the several mortgage deeds, and of all books of account and records of dealings with the moneys. He also asked for an account of all moneys, received by the defendant THOMPSON, and all transactions in real and personal estate, and prayed for payment of costs and for further relief as might be just. The defendant was the first witness called, and his examination occupied the Court till yesterday afternoon. It is expected that the case will last till Tuesday. Great interest is evinced in the case locally. Mr HUTCHISON and Mr HOGG are for the plaintiff, and Mr James CHAPMAN (Wellington) and Mr MARSHALL for the defendant.

In article <Xns96D8E624DF36elektrosmdonet@81.174.12.30>, Alun L. Palmer <elektros@yahoo.com> wrote: > Jochen Lueg <jl@spamnet.co.uk> wrote in news:4dac3d393fjl@spamnet.co.uk: > > > > I'll now confuse things by replying twice to the same post! Looking at > it another way, mitocondrial DNA would trace the female line, but the > problem is that the written records follow the male lines. > Anyway, if the latest DNA study says that the Hibernians are really > Iberians, this does actually fit with the oldest traditions. Of course, > the part of the traditional view that says we are all descendents of > Milesius himself is rather hard to swallow, but can just be seen as an > over- simplification. Also, it does make the Irish language rather hard > to explain, as it is undoubtedly celtic. Culture is often unconnected with the roots of language. Look at the different cultures within the Indo European group of languages. Do we know what language was spoken in along the Iberian coast? It can't have been a relation of the present language as that had to wait for the Romans. Jochen -- ------------------------------------ If you want to learn about Limavady, why not try http://www.binevenagh.com for some local history, photographs and the Roe Valley News Browser.

In article <Xns96D8BA32F7Belektrosmdonet@81.174.12.30>, Alun L. Palmer <elektros@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > That's the easy part. The genealogy tracing all the kings and clan > chieftains back to Milesius is already written down. The hard part is > knowing how much of it to beleive. There's no doubt that some parts of it > are true, but as to the whole thing ... Didn't bishop Usher do the same thing with the bible? Jochen -- ------------------------------------ If you want to learn about Limavady, why not try http://www.binevenagh.com for some local history, photographs and the Roe Valley News Browser.

Jochen Lueg <jl@spamnet.co.uk> wrote in news:4dac3d393fjl@spamnet.co.uk: > In article <Xns96D49EAB1A26Delektrosmdonet@81.174.12.30>, > Alun L. Palmer <elektros@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> This does fit with the Milesian genealogy, however, i.e. the idea that >> all Irish are descended from one man called Mile (or Milesius in the >> Latin) who came to Ireland from Spain. Perhaps there's a little grain of >> truth in that after all. > > > After 9000 years I can see how you can trace the decent of a population > back to one woman. To do the same to one man would be very difficult I > would have thought. > > Jochen > I'll now confuse things by replying twice to the same post! Looking at it another way, mitocondrial DNA would trace the female line, but the problem is that the written records follow the male lines. Anyway, if the latest DNA study says that the Hibernians are really Iberians, this does actually fit with the oldest traditions. Of course, the part of the traditional view that says we are all descendents of Milesius himself is rather hard to swallow, but can just be seen as an over- simplification. Also, it does make the Irish language rather hard to explain, as it is undoubtedly celtic.

Jochen Lueg <jl@spamnet.co.uk> wrote in news:4dac3d393fjl@spamnet.co.uk: > In article <Xns96D49EAB1A26Delektrosmdonet@81.174.12.30>, > Alun L. Palmer <elektros@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> This does fit with the Milesian genealogy, however, i.e. the idea that >> all Irish are descended from one man called Mile (or Milesius in the >> Latin) who came to Ireland from Spain. Perhaps there's a little grain of >> truth in that after all. > > > After 9000 years I can see how you can trace the decent of a population > back to one woman. To do the same to one man would be very difficult I > would have thought. > > Jochen > That's the easy part. The genealogy tracing all the kings and clan chieftains back to Milesius is already written down. The hard part is knowing how much of it to beleive. There's no doubt that some parts of it are true, but as to the whole thing ...

"Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> wrote in message news:dgou0t$vrf$1@pcls4.std.com... > > jimmy <jbird0490@yahoo.com> wrote: > : Thanks for advice Dennis. > : However, been there and done that as they say. > > How about the Seach for Missing Friends series of advertisements in the > Boston Pilot? See http://tiara.ie/missing.html > > -dja > > You may find these volumes in a nearby library, check at you local library as they can find out by doing an interlibrary loan search. I know there is a set at the library at Dartmouth College in Hanover, NH. Kathleen Lott

From The Times, 9 December 1887 -- CORK, Dec. 8 At Munster Winter Assizes, before Judge Murphy and a Cork city jury, Robert Bell, emergency caretaker in the employment of the Land Corporation of Ireland, was charged with having at Cassestown, county Tipperary, on the 6th of September, discharged a loaded revolver at Patrick Aherne with intent to murder. On the part of the Crown the evidence of several witnesses disclosed that the prisoner was speaking to a friend on the high road when the complainant and others passed, jostled him, and knocked him down. Some of them were provided with hayforks, and when Bell got up he discharged his revolver. For the defence it was shown that the prisoner was wantonly attacked and knocked down, and in order to let his assailants see that he was armed he discharged his revolver in the air. The jury acquitted the prisoner. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | The Ahern Family Genealogy Website Acton, Massachusetts | http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aherns/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

jimmy <jbird0490@yahoo.com> wrote: : Thanks for advice Dennis. : However, been there and done that as they say. How about the Seach for Missing Friends series of advertisements in the Boston Pilot? See http://tiara.ie/missing.html -dja

Thanks for advice Dennis. However, been there and done that as they say. Thomas was apparently never naturalized. (went to NARA in Waltham) The headstone to the gravestone is missing. Any other surviving records do not give detailed information about his origin, including local obituary (only 2 lines in length). I did find out which church he was married in so maybe they have a marriage certificate with some info. thanks again, James Leach "Dennis Ahern" wrote: >jimmy <jbird0490@yahoo.com> wrote: >: LEACH, ThOMas. b1825, left aboard the Liverpool, from Liverpool. >: Came to Providence, RI, married Anne Brady in 1865, had children: >: George, Eliza, Mary, Joseph, Sarah. Died and buried here in 1882 at >: age of 57 in St.Patrick's cemetery, Providence, RI? >: Any clues out there? > >The place to look for clues is in Rhode Island. If he became a citizen, >his papers should at least say what county he was from. Burials of Irish >born in the 1880s frequently give place of origin in Ireland. Newspaper >obituary is another clue to look for. The National Archives branch in >Waltham, Mass. has the naturalization papers for U.S. District and Circuit >Courts for the New England states. > > http://www.archives.gov/northeast/ > National Archives - Northeast Regional Records Administration > in Waltham, MA for Naturalization records and passenger lists > for New England states > >-dja > -- Sent via Genealogy Newsgroups http://www.genealogynewsgroups.com

From The Cork Examiner, 29 January 1878 - AMONGST the measures to be introduced to the House of Commons by the Irish Parliamentary party was a bill of Mr. M'CARTHY DOWNING'S on the subject of the deportation of Irish paupers from England and Scotland. The Home Rule members have been on the whole remarkably fortunate, as will be seen by a spiteful article on the point which we give elsewhere, but this case was an unlucky exception. Mr. O'SHAUGHNESSY balloted for a day for Mr. DOWNING'S bill, but failed to obtain it. Mr. DOWNING resolved then to try a resolution, but in two ballots he has been again unfortunate. It is, however, his intention to persevere. Meantime he has placed on the paper a notice of motion for a continuation of a former return he had obtained of the numbers banished from England and Scotland in punishment of their Irish birth. This return will be had. The Local Government Board in England have assented to its being made, and the formal adoption of the motion only awaits the result of a communication of the Chief Secretary to the Irish Local Government Board, who can supplement the information that is to be given by the English department. Mr. DOWNING'S hands cannot fail to be strengthened by some of the cases which the new returns will include. They will show that the insensibility of English and Scotch poor law officials to the sufferings of Irish paupers has not been much lessened, and that the firm grip of law is necessary to bind them to the dictates of humanity. Different parts of Ireland from time to time have their story of the brutality which is shewn towards our wretched country people when poverty compels them to the dire necessity of asking English or Scotch alms. Our own workhouse has some recent stories of the kind to tell. Considerable sensation was made by a scandalous deportation from Nottingham to Limerick. Ireland was horrified by the details of the suicide of the unhappy pauper KENNY, the miseries of whose enforced voyage led him to self-destruction in the North Dublin Union. The Kilkenny Moderator mentions the case of an imbecile girl received at Thomastown Workhouse from Glasgow, where she had been three years resident with her mother, after whose death, however, she had to seek workhouse relief. Our Kilkenny contemporary illustrates the carelessness and ignorance which make the enforcement of the law in the fact that the girl's native place was Dungannon in the county of Tyrone, so that they might as properly have sent her to Kerry as to Kilkenny. Their action, however, is characteristic. It is natural that ignorance should be found amongst the officials who wield this abominable and degrading law as cruelty. We hope, however, that the exertions of our County Member may suffice to take out of their hands a power which ought never to have been entrusted to them, which is not only objectionable in itself, but is used in a manner equally illegal and heartless. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

John Malone <jjmalone@eircom.net> wrote: : If anyone wants to download for free a list of Townland Names without breach : of copyright, it is available at : http://www.heritagedata.ie/en/Placenames/Townlands/. This is an Irish This is particularly useful as it is based on townlands listed in the 1861 census, whereas the IreAtlas database is based on the 1851 census. -dja

See: http://kildare.ie/library/KildareHeritage/index.html Kildare Family Heritage Centre computerizing parish records Provides search service for a fee See http://tiara.ieresults.htm for customer comments http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/leinster/index_ke.htm Kildare sources for genealogy http://www.familia.org.uk/services/eire/kildare.html County Kildare Library Family History Resources http://kildare.ie/library/KildareHeritage/index.html Kildare Heritage and Genealogy Co. http://kildare.ie/Heritage/History/heritageindex.htm History and Heritage of County Kildare http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlkid/ County Kildare GenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/kildare.html County Kildare Fianna Page http://kildare.ie/library/library/localstudies.htm Kildare Library Local Studies

After having searched for my Great GG Grandmother for a number of years on the 05 July,2005 I received Information that Margaret, William and Michael GANNON arrived in the Colony of New South Wales on the NORTH BRITON in 1839. Check of Microfilm records shows #1 Margaret GANNON arrived by the Ship North Briton , was bought out by the Govt, a Native of Co. Kildare, daughter of William, a Miller and Ellen Whelan his wife, both dead. Calling House Servant, aged 24 years. Illiterate #2 William GANNON arrived by the Ship North Briton , was bought out by the Govt, a Native of Co. Kildare, son of William a farmer and Mary his wife, Ploughman aged 23 years. Illiterate #3 Michael GANNON arrived by the Ship North Briton , was bought out by the Govt, a Native of Co. Kildare Parish of New Bridge, son of William a Labourer and Ellen his wife, Ploughman aged 30 years Literate, Would anyone have further information on any of these people. Margaret is my Great GG Grandmother who married Hugh CONLAN of Ballibay Co. Monaghan at Berrima New South Wales on the 24/06/1840. I surmise that the three of them were related either Brothers and Sister or cousins. Any futher information would be much appreciated Barry

If anyone wants to download for free a list of Townland Names without breach of copyright, it is available at http://www.heritagedata.ie/en/Placenames/Townlands/. This is an Irish Government web site and is subject to usual conditions, i.e. personal use only. One problem however with this data is that it dos not include Civil Parish name. John "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> wrote in message news:dgagvo$vqm$1@pcls4.std.com... > Never anonymous Bud <newskat@katxyzkave.net> wrote: > > : I have a CD copy of an 1851 book, with what is supposed to be ALL the > : townlands of Ireland. If anyone would like a copy, it's over 4 megs > : compressed, and opens to an 18 meg Excel spreadsheet with over 65000 > : entries. > > Issues of copyright infringement aside, why would anyone want to do this > when the 1851 book was used as the source material for the IreAtlas > database at http://www.seanruad.com > > -dja >