BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, March 27, 1850 IRISH BOROUGH FRANCHISE Mr. French has given notice of the following important motion, which the government have agreed to consider during the recess. It is generally supposed they will agree to something of the sort: - "And be it enacted that each of the places named in the second column of the Schedule (D) to this act annexed, shall have a share in the election of a member or members to serve in all future parliaments for the city, town or borough, which is mentioned in conjunction therewith, and named in the first column of the said Schedule (D) and that the provisions in this act contained for regulating the qualification of persons to vote in the election of members to serve in parliament in Ireland and the registration of all persons so entitled to vote, shall apply to such places respectively in like manner to all intents and purposes as to any city, town or borough mentioned in conjunction herewith, and named in the same Schedule. SCHEDULE D Borough Towns to Be Added Armagh Lurgan, Portadown Athlone Mullingar, Roscommon Bandon Skibbereen, Clonakilty Carlow Tullow, Bagnelstown Carrickfergus Ballymena, Antrim Cashel Thurles, Tipperary Clonmel Ck. on Suir, Clogheen Coleraine L.T. Limvady, Ballymony Downpatrick Portaferry, N.Townards Drogheda Kells Dundalk C. Blaney, Crk.macross Dungannon Strabane, Omagh Ennis Kilrush, Killaloe Enniskillen Monaghan, Ballyshannon Kinsale Ennishannon, Macroom Lisburn Hillsborough, Dromore Londonderry Letterkenny Mallow Mitchelstown, Fermoy Newry Banbridge, Rathfriland New Ross Thomastown, N.townbary Portarlington Mt Mellick, Maryboro' Sligo Ballina Tralee Killarney, Listowel Wexford Enniscorthy, Wicklow Youghal Middleton, Lismore ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Denis Brennan's proposal to transmit to Canada 150 paupers from Cork, finding provisions, &c. according to the passengers act, for adults, £3 5s. each; under 14 years of age, £1 12s., and infants free, has been accepted by the Cork guardians. Dr. Petrie has presented to the Royal Irish Academy the crooked head of the "bachal" or pastoral staff of St. Feeben, who died in 664.5 according to annals of Clonmacnoise; also the crozier or staff of St. Brerach, founder of the seven Churches of Termonbarry, Roscommon. On Thursday evening last, the Slieve Guillan mountain, about midway between Dundalk and Newry, was observed to be on fire, and the flames spread to a great extent consuming the heather and furge. By nine o'clock the devouring element had spread over tend acres, and continued burning till Friday. Miss Hayes' benefit at the Cork Theatre produced £170. Her concert at the Town hall, Waterford, was attended by 1,000 persons! A rate of 7s. 8d. in the pound is struck upon Ballylanders district of the Kilmallock union. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ BIRTHS March 22, at ????? House, Rostrevor, the lady of James Jones, Esq. of Mount Edward, county Sligo, of a son. MARRIAGES. March 20, in St. John's Church, Sligo, M.R. Eyre, Esq. so nof John Eyre, Esq, of Eyrescourt Castle, county Galway, to Elizabeth Jane, youngest daughter of the late A.D. Johnston, Esq. of Friarstown House, county Leitrim. March 21, in Monkstown Church, R.B. Burges, Esq., son of the late Rev. W. Clare Burges, of Limortagh, county Tipperary and Osmortherly, Yorkshire, to Francis Anna Julia, eldest daughter of ??? L'Estrange, Esq. of a Sion House, Dalkey. DEATHS. At Ohill House, county Sligo, Anne, sister of teh late Robert Armstrong, Esq., age 82. March 22, in Limerick, Nichs. Bindon Scott, Esq., M.D. Dinagh, relict of Chas. Atkinson, Esq., of Ballintain, county Sligo. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Well, I hate to be churlish about this but the NA website below indicates that the project for the 1853 - 1923 period is complete but when I search for my grandfather and his son, my uncle, neither can be found either by name or by service number yet I have photocopies (from the NA) of their ADM188 service records in front of me as I write. John > > Forrest Anderson <forrest@military-researcher.com> wrote: > > > >: The following will be of interest to those who have ancestors in the > >: Royal Navy. > > > >: The National Archives at Kew have begun to release Royal Navy Service > >: Records via their Documents Online system. Like the WW1 MICs for the > >: Army, RN Service Records can be searched for using an on-line > >: database, and the images can be downloaded for 3.50 GBP. > > > >: The following links will give you more information about this on-going > >: project: > > > >: =================== > >: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/whats-new.asp > > > >: Registers of Seamen's Services, 1853-1923 > >: > >: Our latest digitisation project will enable you to find the service > >: records for any rating (non-Officer crew member) who joined the Royal > >: Navy as a regular serviceman between 1853 and 1923. The Registers of > >: Seamen's Services will help you find details about your ancestor's > >: birth, their occupation and which ship or ships they served on, and in > >: the later records a description of their physical appearance. > > > > In the Registers of Seamen's Services it gives a place of birth and a > > date. Is the date the date of birth, or is it a date related to the > > military service? > > > > -dja > > > > I have a record in front of me, and the date is the date of birth. > Unfortunately, this means that the record can't be the right person, as the > date of birth is much too late.

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, March 27, 1850 ELECTION OF GUARDIANS The following are the Guardians elected for the several Divisions of this Union for the ensuing half year: Ardagh - John Cawley Grange Ardnaree North - John M'Culloch, Ballina Attymass East - John Cunningham, Ballina Attymass West - Henry Wills, Andrass Ballina - Henry R. Crofton, Ardnaree; Wm Merrick, Ballina Ballysokeery - Charles M'Donagh, Coonale Bunaveela - Wm Joynt, Crossmolina Carrowmore - J.V. Jackson, Carramore Crossmolina North - G. Orme, Abbeytown Crossmolina South - P. Gallagher, Crossmolina Derry - Anthony Carolin, Crossmolina Deel - William M'Kenzie, Dervin Kilgarvin - Jarrett Beatty, Ardnaree Mount Falcon - Pat Quigly, Lisdague Letterbrick - Walter Quinn, Calra Rathoma - Thomas Kelly, Rathoma Sallymount - James Higgins, Ellaghmore Sraheen - Mathew Flynn, Lissadrone Ardnaree South and Fortland Electoral Divisions are vacant. CASTLEBAR UNION - NOMINATION OF GUARDIANS Balla Electoral Division 1 Guardian - William Nally, Martin Barrett. Ballybean 1 - Edward Cannon, John C. Garvey, James Toohy, James Foy, Myles Jordan. Ballinafad 1 - Martin Burke. Ballivary 1 - John Vahy. Breaghy 1 - Thomas Moran. Castlebar 2 - Wm. Young, John Malley, John C. Larminie, Geoffrey Lavelle, the Hon. F. Cavendish, W. Walsh, Thomas Quin and W. Clanville. Clonakeen 1 - John Tuohy. Killawalla 1 - James Tuohy. Manulla 1 - William Walsh, Martin Barrett. Turlogh 1 - Thos. Quin, Thos. Moran, Hon. F. Cavendish, Edward M'Donnell, James Foy. Tannynagry 1 - Malachy Tuohy. Clogher 1 - Ignatius Kelly. Strade 1 - Pat Jennings. Adergoole and Ballina garraher 1 - J.C. Garvey, J Malley, Thomas Quin, james Hughes. Burren and Pontoon 1 - Wm. Young. Croughmoyle and Glenbest 1 - Col. C. Knox. Six contests. -- Mayo Constitution. BRUTAL MURDER As a bailiff named Jennings was returning home from the market of Killala, on Saturday week, he was waylaid and inhumanly beaten by two men, brothers, named Mulheran, aided by their mother, from the effects of which he died in a few days after. Dr. Whittaker, assisted by Dr. Smith, held a post mortem examination on the body of the unfortunate man and a verdict in accordance with the above facts was returned. Jennings had become obnoxious in consequence of his having lately served notices on the tenants of a property in that neighbourhood not to burn land. The old woman has been apprehended, but her sons have absconded. POTATO PLANTING The preparations which are making in every part of this portion of the province are on a scale far more extensive than on any former year within our recollection. Cattle are sold and even several articles of household furniture and wearing apparel at tremendous sacrifice by the poor landholders to purchase seed potatoes. The chief cause of this is obvious, and it affords a practical proof of the ruinous policy of Free Trade in this country. The small farmers, who allowed themselves to be led into the conviction that "Protection," was a curse by those who hated the aristocracy and exulted in anything that might injure the landed proprietors are now sadly convinced that the export trade of Ireland is ruined - that there is no longer a market for any description of grain. The potato always found a ready market at home and remunerated the grower, so much so that £5 or £6 was willingly given for what was called con-acre. Potatoes are even now fetching a higher price though they are by no means scarce and have to compete with Indian meal. The price of former years is confidently expected and the success of the crop last year is an encouragement to its very extensive cultivation this year. Should there be such a failure this year as we had in 1846 and '47, the consequence must be fearful, but this there is no reason to dread. In any case, however, it is to be regretted that the people are compelled in self defence to occupy the land they are in a position to cultivate with a crop which if successful can only bring temporary relief. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

From The Cork Examiner, 26 October 1864 - CORK HARBOUR--SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. -------- October 25th, 1864. ARRIVED--Mary Hounsell, Fitzgerald, Cardiff, ballast ; Nymph, Reward, Anne, Darnley (in coals) ; Angelo C., Cincincovich, Galatz, maize. SAILED--Elpis, Martinolich, Limerick, grain. (By Magnetic Telegraph.) October 26th, 1864--Wind E. PUT BACK--Anna Bella, for Greenock. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild, Irish Maritime News Acton, Mass. | http://immigrantships.net/newsarticles/newsarticles.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

"Daniel Morgan" <daniel.f.morgan@gmail.com> wrote in news:1127420240.911151.288520@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > Dennis Ahern wrote: >> Has anyone paid to view an actual record? I would assume there is >> some heading that indicates content of the field. Or is it a case of >> where the date of birth field is blank, the index substitues the years >> of service? > > I have bought one where the date in the index was a specific date. On > the actual record, the index date was handwritten in the space next to > the printed words "Date of birth". > > I've never bought one of the ones where the index gives a range of > years. > > For my one-name study, I recognize a lot of the names just from the > index. So far, whenever a specific date is given, it seems to match the > date of birth, allowing some leeway [sic] for the usual misrememberings > and misrepresentations. But when a range is given, the name seems to > match someone born before the beginning of the period, but of a > plausible age to join the navy during the period. I can't identify > everyone yet, but in all the cases where I can, this pattern holds. > > Also, in the cases I've seen, the date ranges always exactly match a > range that the website gives as the covering dates of a particular > class of records. > > By the way, these records are actually quite interesting. The one I got > had a full physical description and a detailed account of which ships > he served in, his repeated transfers from one to the next, and a string > of occasions when he spent in the cells or in gaol in various ports. It > culminated with him spending 40 days in Bodmin gaol and thereafter > being discharged from the navy as undesirable. > The one I have has two records on it, and it seems that the other person, an Englishman, was discharged as undesirable.

Dennis Ahern <ahern@world.std.com> wrote in news:dgu715$sgf$1 @pcls4.std.com: > Forrest Anderson <forrest@military-researcher.com> wrote: > >: The following will be of interest to those who have ancestors in the >: Royal Navy. > >: The National Archives at Kew have begun to release Royal Navy Service >: Records via their Documents Online system. Like the WW1 MICs for the >: Army, RN Service Records can be searched for using an on-line >: database, and the images can be downloaded for 3.50 GBP. > >: The following links will give you more information about this on-going >: project: > >: =================== >: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/whats-new.asp > >: Registers of Seamen's Services, 1853-1923 >: >: Our latest digitisation project will enable you to find the service >: records for any rating (non-Officer crew member) who joined the Royal >: Navy as a regular serviceman between 1853 and 1923. The Registers of >: Seamen's Services will help you find details about your ancestor's >: birth, their occupation and which ship or ships they served on, and in >: the later records a description of their physical appearance. > > In the Registers of Seamen's Services it gives a place of birth and a > date. Is the date the date of birth, or is it a date related to the > military service? > > -dja > I have a record in front of me, and the date is the date of birth. Unfortunately, this means that the record can't be the right person, as the date of birth is much too late.

Jochen Lueg <jl@spamnet.co.uk> wrote in news:4dadccf657jl@spamnet.co.uk: > In article <Xns96D8E624DF36elektrosmdonet@81.174.12.30>, > Alun L. Palmer <elektros@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Jochen Lueg <jl@spamnet.co.uk> wrote in >> news:4dac3d393fjl@spamnet.co.uk: > >> >> > > >> I'll now confuse things by replying twice to the same post! Looking at >> it another way, mitocondrial DNA would trace the female line, but the >> problem is that the written records follow the male lines. > >> Anyway, if the latest DNA study says that the Hibernians are really >> Iberians, this does actually fit with the oldest traditions. Of >> course, the part of the traditional view that says we are all >> descendents of Milesius himself is rather hard to swallow, but can >> just be seen as an over- simplification. Also, it does make the Irish >> language rather hard to explain, as it is undoubtedly celtic. > > > Culture is often unconnected with the roots of language. Look at the > different cultures within the Indo European group of languages. Do we > know what language was spoken in along the Iberian coast? It can't have > been a relation of the present language as that had to wait for the > Romans. > > Jochen > That's a good point. Spanish is basically vulgar latin plus a little arabic. Doubtless the ancient Iberians spoke some other tongue altogether.

Yikes! Being imperfect myself, I quickly hit 'Respond' and was about to chew out someone for attacking someone else's spelling and grammer...and then I read the actual note and thought...who on earth would write about alleged 'thieves' and such...that seems to have nothing to do with genealogy or the group we are a part of? Mary, you were right and I apologize for my initial thoughts. How bizarre, but I have seen this all over the web. Even at my own site where I have put up some family tree information, my bio and stories, poems, etc... When I saw the title: "Anonymously Publish Thieves' Conviction Record on Internet" I thought it was going to be some neat, salacious information about our ancestors...too bad it's not even related. Well, have a great day everyone, Jim Riley Http://www.onlinetheater.com --- Mary Beaumont <nogobeau@alphalink.com.au> wrote: > Have you ever thought of night school for some > English and Grammar > lessons ? Then you might be able to launch this on > the correct site. > This newsgroup is for genealogists, not > vitriologists. > > marthawhite2000@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > > > Publicize thieves' criminal record anonymously on > internet. ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, March 27, 1850 KILKENNY County Court The Hon. Mr. Justice Torrens entered the court at nine o'clock precisely, and ordered a jury to be called immediately. The hour being somewhat earlier than had been generally expected, many jurors were fined for non-attendance. MURDER OF MRS. FITZPATRICK Thomas Cullenan and Philip Dullard were placed at the bar and arraigned for the murder of Catherine Fitzpatrick, committed on the 1st of February in the 12th year of the Queen (1849). The indictment recited that the said Catherine Fitzpatrick had been choked and suffocated by some person or persons unknown, and that such person or persons unknown was or were incited, moved, procured, caused and commanded to the murder by the prisoners at the bar. Another count charged the murder to have been committed by drowning. The pri9soner Cullenan was rather a good looking person, dressed as a comfortable farmer, and apparently between forty and fifty years of age. Dullard, is a younger man, and apparently, from his dress, of the labouring class. The expression of his countenance is forbidding in the extreme. Messrs. Scott, Q.C., Sausse, Q.C., and Rollestone, Q.C., appeared for the Crown. Messrs. Armstrong and Maher appeared for the defence; Mr. Delany as agent. Mr. Scott, Q.C., proceeded to state the circumstances of the case to the jury. He mentioned that the murder had been committed on the first of February, 1849, the unfortunate lady, who was very old, having been found dead with her head sunk in a well of her residence. She was found in a position that would clearly demonstrate, he believed, to their full satisfaction, that she could not place herself in, as she lay, on her back with her head sunk under water, and her feet resting on the stone steps. Her boots, in particular, were quite clean, although it was swampy and miry all round, and they must have been dirtied had she walked to the well. She had been living for a long time at the house of Coolcashin, and there farmed 150 acres of land, being a person of some wealth and respectability. Her farm servant was named Kavanagh, but she was in the habit of receiving advice and assistance in all her farm arrangements and business transactions from a neighbouring farmer, Thomas Cullenan, one of the prisoners at the bar. The learned counsel then went into a detail of the evidence which would be produced to bring the case home to the prisoners; mentioning that several witnesses would prove that they saw the parties lurking in the neighbourhood about the time of the commission of the murder, and one man would depose that Cullenan had previously endeavoured to bribe him to commit this murder. - The motive for the deed he referred to the circumstances that Cullenan had a short time previously effected an insurance for £450, on the life of the old lady, which sum he would be entitled to receive if she was put out of the way; and it was a very suspicious fact that a day or two before the murder Cullenan had gone to the agent of the Assurance Company, paid up a balance of a few shillings which he had been in arrear, and ascertained that the entire transaction was securely perfected. The case was purely circumstantial, but they would see how strong the circumstances were against Cullenan, and in addition it would appear that he (Cullenan) had endeavoured after his own arrest to fasten the crime on innocent individuals, the servants of Mrs. Fitzpatrick. After the examination of a great number of witnesses, Mr. Armstrong addressed the jury for the defence in a very able and highly argumentative speech. At eight o'clock the jury retired to their room, and were scarcely ten minutes in consultation when they returned, and handed in the issue paper, finding prisoners Not Guilty, amidst the most intense interest. The spectators had been prepared by the tenor of the judge's charge for the acquittal of Dullard, but the fate of Cullenan held them in doubtful suspense, and on the announcement of a verdict a low murmur of many voices sounded through the court, but no other indication of feeling was expressed. Cullenan, upon having his acquittal pronounced, slapped the front of the dock smartly with his hand, producing a loud noise; and soon after, addressing the governor, he observed, with rather a triumphant air, "Well, I didn't behave bad." Dullard said nothing, and did not appear much moved by the nature of the verdict. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, March 27, 1850 ASSIZES INTELLIGENCE GALWAY Murder in Connemara. Daniel Flaherty, a person of proper appearance, was placed at the bar, charged with the wilful murder of Patrick King (Murk.) at Goula, on the 3d of April, 1849, by pressing his hands round the neck of deceased, and so choking him; and in a second count for pressing his knees upon his breast until he was dead, and then casting him into a stream of water. The prisoner pleaded not guilty, and was defended by Mr. Concannon. Mr. Close, Q.C., stated the case for the Crown. - It appears that on Palm Sunday, last year, the deceased was living at service with a person named King; was sent by him a distance of eight or nine miles to his brother for the loan of £2; the road which he had to take crossed a desolate mountainous district of Connemara, near Kilkerrin bay, the population of which is very scattered; he reached his destination towards night and slept there; the prisoner, who was a sort of vagrant, came also to the same house, where he was known, and he too spent the night; next morning the money was given to the boy in the form of a £2 bank note, which was sowed [sic] up in his waistcoat pocket; the prisoner was cognizant of this, being present when the money was given; the boy desired that the prisoner should accompany him home, as they lived in the same locality, but the people of the house not wishing it he went away alone; the prisoner left the house about twenty minutes afterwards,! stating his intention of going in another direction; the shortest road which the boy could take home, being by the head of Kilkerrin bay, which, at high tide, was flooded and impassable; another and a much longer route lay across the mountain, and this the boy took on his return; accordingly, if the prisoner followed him, he would have arrived at the mountain of Goula before him, and it will appear from the evidence that he was seen crossing the country in the course of the day followed not long after by the boy. They then struck off the road into a lonely part of the country, and there some days afterwards the boy was found dead, lying in a stream, his face downwards, and marks of violence on his person - the waistcoat in which his money had been put was gone. On the same evening the prisoner called at a small shop in the country, and having purchased some food, offered a £2 bank note as payment, which, however, he got back next day. The waistcoat of the deceased was also! seen upon his person the same night. The prisoner after this wandere d through the country as far as Westport, and here he presented the note which could not be traded further. A number of witnesses were examined, and as no proof of the murder could be given, the prisoner was acquitted. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

A Chairde, Greetings from the Genealogical Society of Ireland www.familyhistory.ie Hereunder is the list of the articles in the Summer 2005 issue of the Society's quarterly journal available at www.familyhistory.ie/shop A Word From The Editor by Margaret Conroy The McGarvey And O'Donnell Families Of Butte, Montana by Margaret Bonar Index Of Deansgrange Cemetery Burials - Part Three by Margaret Conroy Plucky Rescue - Morriscastle 1902 by Tony Daly The Emperor's Gift by James Scannell Ulysses Burgh (C.1640-1692) by Bill Griffith Rescue At Wicklow Head by Tony Daly The Meelick Obituary by Fr. Ignatius Fennessy OFM Our Family History - Echoes From The Past by Shaun O'Byrne The Hearth Money Roll For Co. Wicklow 1668- An Introduction by Brian Gurrin List Of Approved Retailers Of Radio Receiving Sets by Noel Vaughan Patrick Boden's Attempted Insurance Fraud by James Scannell Kindest regards, Michael Merrigan Hon. Secretary Genealogical Society of Ireland www.familyhistory.ie

Charlie wrote: > My/our question relates to trying to interpret the entries under "Ships' > Books" both "List" and "No." as well as the entries under "Rating & c." and > "G.C. Badges worn". When I look at it that way the only parts I understand > are "Ships Served in", "Periods of Service", and "Character". > > Any clues as to where the abbreviations might be explained? I assume that "List" and "No." under "Ships' Books" are some sort of reference to where the man appears in the books kept by individual ships. In "Rating &c.", "&c." is another way of writing "etc." and in the one I've seen the column says whether the man was an ordinary seaman (Ord) or an able seaman (AB) and the date when he was promoted from one to the other. But there are probably lots of other categories, especially later on as tasks became more specialized. I don't know "G.C. Badges". My man didn't have any, so maybe it means "good conduct", since he didn't seem to have any of that either. :-)

"Daniel Morgan" <daniel.f.morgan@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1127420240.911151.288520@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Dennis Ahern wrote: >> Has anyone paid to view an actual record? I would assume there is some >> heading that indicates content of the field. Or is it a case of where >> the >> date of birth field is blank, the index substitues the years of service? > > I have bought one where the date in the index was a specific date. On > the actual record, the index date was handwritten in the space next to > the printed words "Date of birth". > > I've never bought one of the ones where the index gives a range of > years. > > For my one-name study, I recognize a lot of the names just from the > index. So far, whenever a specific date is given, it seems to match the > date of birth, allowing some leeway [sic] for the usual misrememberings > and misrepresentations. But when a range is given, the name seems to > match someone born before the beginning of the period, but of a > plausible age to join the navy during the period. I can't identify > everyone yet, but in all the cases where I can, this pattern holds. > > Also, in the cases I've seen, the date ranges always exactly match a > range that the website gives as the covering dates of a particular > class of records. > > By the way, these records are actually quite interesting. The one I got > had a full physical description and a detailed account of which ships > he served in, his repeated transfers from one to the next, and a string > of occasions when he spent in the cells or in gaol in various ports. It > culminated with him spending 40 days in Bodmin gaol and thereafter > being discharged from the navy as undesirable. > I paid for the download of one of my wife's great-grandfather's RN record. The birthdate there versus the one the family had was 2 weeks different. My/our question relates to trying to interpret the entries under "Ships' Books" both "List" and "No." as well as the entries under "Rating & c." and "G.C. Badges worn". When I look at it that way the only parts I understand are "Ships Served in", "Periods of Service", and "Character". Any clues as to where the abbreviations might be explained? Charlie, camcq@shaw.ca

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, September 13, 1824 GENERAL ELECTION (From the Dublin Evening Post) The rumour, that Parliament will be dissolved next Spring, gains ground daily. There will be several severe contests in this county. We shall set down a few: COUNTY DUBLIN Master Ellis must retire from political life, and confine himself, in future, to the duties of his office, which, as he swore before the Commissioners, occupied the greatest part of his valuable time. - Alderman Shaw will offer himself again, refusing, it is said, to coalesce with Alderman King, the other Corporation candidate. The former, we believe, is not in great odour with the party just now; and the latter, some of the graver folks amongst them affect to regard as too violent! Certain it is, that, even from the Freemen, neither of these persons appear so sanguine as might be expected. Mr. Henry Grattan will also stand, upon the independent interest, and, besides the Freeholders, will be supported, it is thought, by a very respectable show of Freemen, with Alderman Nugent as their head. We are sorry that we cannot yet mention the name of Mr. Robinson as a candidate. COUNTY OF DUBLIN There is talk of five Candidates for the County, Talbot, White, Domville, Brabazon, and Hamilton. The latter, however, will not be of age, if the Election takes place in Spring, nor if he were, do we think he would stand any chance. Sir Compton Domville, we believe, is sick from the last Election and we are afraid he will not be sufficiently recovered to come to the Poll in time. But the two Sitting Members, and the son of the resident Earl of Meath, will fight it out. COUNTY OF WEXFORD There will be a contest, we are told, in this County. We really should not be surprised, if Lord Stopford was put out. We are quite aware of the dominant interest he possesses, but we are not equally satisfied, that he cannot calculate on his Roman Catholic tenantry. He should recollect the counties of Sligo and Dublin. If Mr. Calclough could be brought to the Hustings, we should have strong hopes of success in the present feeling of the county. That the Valentia interest will again appear in the field there is no doubt. Carew is said to be secure. COUNTY OF KILKENNY This County, owing to the compact between the Besborough and Ormonde families, has long been in the situation of a close borough. Efforts, beyond all doubt, will be made to open it at the ensuing Election. Whether these will be directed against the Butler or the Ponsonby interest, we cannot say - possibly against both. CITY OF KILKENNY Our old friend, Denis Browne, we think, must march. The Son of Colonel Pierce Butler stands upon the independent interest, and will break thro the Corporate rights of the Ormonde family, without question. COUNTY OF TIPPERARY There is some talk of a contest in the County of Tipperary. The Candidates are said to be the present Members Bagnall and Prellie and Messrs. Lidwill and Trant. Lidwill is supported by the Glengall, and, we believe, by the Llandaff interest. He is, besides, extremely popular. We should certainly like to see him in Parliament. COUNTY OF ARMAGH Mr. Brownlow will certainly have to stand a contest for this County. Lord Mandeville will offer himself - his Lordship is a Liberal. It would be curious to see this County returning two friends to Catholic Emancipation. There is no danger of Caulfield. COUNTY OF CLARE There will be a contest in this County. Sir Edward O'Brien, or his Son, and Mr. Vesey Fitzgerald, will stand. Mr. Vandeleur, brother to the Judge, has also decided his intention of officiating himself. Other names have been mentioned but it would be premature to state them. Mr. Vesey Fitzgerald is certain of his return. COUNTY OF LIMERICK Sir Vere Hunt starts again, we understand, for this County. He will be supported by the Limerick and Independent Interest. O'Grady and Fitzgibbon will struggle hard. Every thing, in short, promises a severe and protracted struggle. CITY OF LIMERICK This City will be contested between the Independents and Lord Gort. We have no doubt of the success of the former; and we shall have, we are certain, to congratulate the Citizens of Limerick on the return of one of the few efficient Members of Parliament that Ireland sends to the Legislature. We need not name Mr. Spring Rice. COUNTY OF GALWAY There will be infallibly a hot contest in this County. The sitting Members are Daly and Martin; one of the new Candidates is Lambert; he is said to enter the field under the auspices of Lord Clanricarde, and is called his man. We own we do not like to see a Peer take so prominent a part in a popular Election. Mr. Daly is said to be the man in danger. TOWN OF GALWAY This town will also be contested with the Corporation. Mr. Thomas Martin, of Ballinahinch Castle, will endeavour to open the Borough. - Knowing, as we do, the man, and quite satisfied of his political and personal integrity, we wish him success; and we think, if the cards are well played, he will have it. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, September 13, 1824 HEAD POLICE OFFICE - DUBLIN Posting a Woman On Friday, Miss Kitty M'Cann, a young, tall, raw-boned, masculine, sallow, draggle-tailed, shipshod female, from Bishop-street, accompanied by her Mamma, applied at this office for a summons against a Mr. Bill Lynch. When asked what he had done, she lowered her head, which stood near six feet from her shoes, and bending a pair of eyes to the earth which boasted of the variety and ubiquity of a squint, twisted the corner of her pin-a-fore this way and then that way, and answered, "Sir, he has posted me;" "Posted you! what! for a coward?" "No, Sir," (with a masculine accent, and after some hesitation) "but he has posted me against gates, corners of streets, lanes, and alleys." "How did he post you?" - "He posted my name up and down!" "in what manner did he come in labial contract?" "Sir." "Did he assault you?" "Oh no, Sir; he dare not do that; and she raised an arm, to which was appended a (we were going to say, fist, but female delicacy forbids it;) well, she raised her clenched hand, and with an air of a Boadicia, a smile of defiance, and a significant shake of the head, repeated, "Oh no, he dare not do that." "There are several Long Kittys in Dublin, that's no libel." "Isn't it, Sir? but I think it is a lie, and a bull, too, so it is, to write me up Long Kitty, Kitty, Loney, Kitty, against every corner, and I'll have revenge, so I will, I'll have the satisfaction of getting Mr. Billy well kicked." She then walked off with the air of a piece of frailty that could undertake the task of kicking Mr. Lynch herself. TUESDAY. A Da Capo of the scene, wherein long Kitty M'Can made so conspicuous a figure on Friday last, took place this day. Miss Kitty retired from the Office on Friday, declaring she would get Mister Billy Lynch exceedingly well kicked, and literally undertook to amuse herself in that way on Sunday in Bishop-street. She and her sister, a pretty looking young girl, in a nankeen spencer, stepped forward to answer the charge, and so did Mister Lynch, but it was to advance it. Mister Lynch, truth to say, was the very opposite long Kitty in altitude, energy, masculine power, or tact of speech; he was a short, shambling, shabbily-dressed, Taylor or Tinker's apprentice, from whose visage the hue of hard work and a dirty residence, had not been removed with much industry for many weeks. He roundly accused Kitty with having "kicked up a Row Royal" in Bishop-street last Sunday; with having kicked, coffed, spit on, and scratched him on that day, as she said he had posted, pasted and daubed the walls and posts with libels on her name and fame. He denied having done either. Miss Kitty recapitulated this charge and said her witness would prove it. The worthy Magistrate asked why he had posted her name up? Kitty said he was a most ungrateful monster; that she had been too kind to him, and it was all through spite, having been rejected as a suitor by her sister. The Sister, in the nankeen, corroborated the statement; which the Magistrate thought creditable, observing the sheep's eye Mister Lynch was throwing over his shoulder at the fair one who scorned his love, and who, gathering resolution, said she would indict him for defamation; for having said that she had got her nankeen pelisse and her Leghorn out of a ______. The remainder of the sentence was lost to posterity; for at the moment she arrived at the "a" - long Kitty pulled her by the arm, appearing inclined to take the Magistrate's advice, and make up all differences. The parties withdrew without further parlance. ANTICHRIST A dapper little soubrette in a frize requelaure, appeared with anger in her eyes, unmitigated resentment on her lips, and with the indignant glance of frigid chastity, accused a man with having wickedly dared to assault her. The accused - she never could have fancied such a man - was passing tall, passing thin, passing ungraceful and surpassingly ugly. He was the very opposite of the Apollo of Beluidere, and had transcended the grand climacteric; his countenance bore the cadavered hue of wounded pride and unrequited affection; to render it still more void of expression, one eye had vanished, but whether in the celestial or terrestrial warfare cannot be declared. The name of the female was Mistress Juliet O'Brien. The defendant was Mister Archibald Macculloughmore, Kevin-street, ci-devant of Aherdeensire, and possessed not, as appeared by the Lady's tale, either the discernment or the prudence of the most North Britains. They entered the board room in high altercation - "It's a lie," said Archibald, "gung your gate, it's nature." - The enraged Juliet stepped forward, but not "on Love's light wings," and removing the hood of her roquelaure, detailed the assault which she said Archie had made, with intent, as she thought, to become too interesting." She repelled the ungracious Romeo's advances, and an altercation ensued: Archibald, screwing up his mouth at this accusation, looked round the board room for witness to contradict this charge, but none appeared. He then said, "Please you, my Lord, she's an abusive wee thing, she quarrelled with me for religions; for keeping me ain creed, and called me "Antichrist!" "What!" called you Antichrist?" asked the astonished Magistrate; Antichrist? Archibald thought this would tarn the tables on his accuser, and vociferated- "Yes, your Warship, she did call me mair than that for she called me - a bloody old Antichrist!" The parties were dismissed, with a recommendation to cultivate amity and avoid using nicknames. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

I was looking at this message after being away for some time and I know there were lots of convicts sent to and died in Norfolk Island. One of mine is there. (Walter BURKE from Tipperary) He was originally sent from England on a charge of suspicion of having a fire-arm, and was executed for Mutiny while a prisoner on the Island. I do have a reference list which I did while having a couple of quiet holidays over there. I have an extensive list of soldiers and convicts. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Beaumont" <nogobeau@alphalink.com.au> To: <GENIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 10:42 PM Subject: Re: Penal Colonists >I believe a large amount of Irish 'slaves' were sent off to the West Indies >very early on . Mary > > Ron Martell wrote: > >> QuietMan <quietman@proudirish.com> wrote: >> >> >>>Are there any records of those poor unfortunate Irish sent off to >>>Botany Bay and other English penal colonies? >> >> >> The records of convicts sent to Australia are pretty complete. >> >> However prior to the use of Australia for penal colonies there were a >> considerable number sent to various locations in North America, and >> recors of these have largely been lost, or at least not yet made >> generally available to the public. >> >> I have some information about one shipload in 1788 on my website at >> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca/martellfa/extras/convicts.htm and there are >> some other ships mentioned there as well. >> >> Any additional information about this group would be appreciated. >> >> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada > > ______________________________

In soc.genealogy.ireland Daniel Morgan <daniel.f.morgan@gmail.com> wrote: : Dennis Ahern wrote: :> In the Registers of Seamen's Services it gives a place of birth and a :> date. Is the date the date of birth, or is it a date related to the :> military service? :>From what I've seen so far, it's the date of birth when a specific date : is given, but when it's just a range (e.g. 1892-1907) it seems to be : the date of entry into the navy. : Also from what I've seen so far, the date of birth isn't always very : accurate. :-) Has anyone paid to view an actual record? I would assume there is some heading that indicates content of the field. Or is it a case of where the date of birth field is blank, the index substitues the years of service? -dja

Dennis Ahern wrote: > Has anyone paid to view an actual record? I would assume there is some > heading that indicates content of the field. Or is it a case of where the > date of birth field is blank, the index substitues the years of service? I have bought one where the date in the index was a specific date. On the actual record, the index date was handwritten in the space next to the printed words "Date of birth". I've never bought one of the ones where the index gives a range of years. For my one-name study, I recognize a lot of the names just from the index. So far, whenever a specific date is given, it seems to match the date of birth, allowing some leeway [sic] for the usual misrememberings and misrepresentations. But when a range is given, the name seems to match someone born before the beginning of the period, but of a plausible age to join the navy during the period. I can't identify everyone yet, but in all the cases where I can, this pattern holds. Also, in the cases I've seen, the date ranges always exactly match a range that the website gives as the covering dates of a particular class of records. By the way, these records are actually quite interesting. The one I got had a full physical description and a detailed account of which ships he served in, his repeated transfers from one to the next, and a string of occasions when he spent in the cells or in gaol in various ports. It culminated with him spending 40 days in Bodmin gaol and thereafter being discharged from the navy as undesirable.

Forrest Anderson <forrest@military-researcher.com> wrote: : The following will be of interest to those who have ancestors in the : Royal Navy. : The National Archives at Kew have begun to release Royal Navy Service : Records via their Documents Online system. Like the WW1 MICs for the : Army, RN Service Records can be searched for using an on-line : database, and the images can be downloaded for 3.50 GBP. : The following links will give you more information about this on-going : project: : =================== : http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/whats-new.asp : Registers of Seamen's Services, 1853-1923 : : Our latest digitisation project will enable you to find the service : records for any rating (non-Officer crew member) who joined the Royal : Navy as a regular serviceman between 1853 and 1923. The Registers of : Seamen's Services will help you find details about your ancestor's : birth, their occupation and which ship or ships they served on, and in : the later records a description of their physical appearance. In the Registers of Seamen's Services it gives a place of birth and a date. Is the date the date of birth, or is it a date related to the military service? -dja

From The Cork Examiner, 30 December 1878 - THE BISHOP OF MANCHESTER ON THE DISTRESS IN ENGLAND. Preaching at Ecclesta yesterday the Bishop of Manchester, referring to the prevalent distress, said, that nations as well as individuals had to suffer for their sins. We were now passing through a severe discipline, which properly affected all classes, for all classes needed it. Instead of doing what was right and acting upon principles that would restore confidence, men merely muttered prayers, forgetting that the prayers of the wicked are an abomination. Intemperance, dishonesty, falsehood, luxury, and licentiousness were the causes of decline and ruin of nations, and might be of ours. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -