In a message dated 10/19/2005 4:03:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jjmalone@eircom.net writes: I have found in the National Archives a record of a will of a Thomas Garry who died in 1837 in Kildare. He was a tenant farmer who left some cattle and household goods to his eldest son and heir and "31 pounds in small legacies and to the maintenance and clothing of the son James". Now in the 20th or 21st century the term "maintenance" would imply a divorce situation, but this was hardly the case in 1837 for an Irish Catholic. It seems, based on the fact that baptisimal register starts in 1818 and that there is no record of James, that James was born pre 1818 and was therefore over 19 when his father died. Any ideas as to why a father would provide for the clothing of a 19 year old son, and leave nothing to his other children?? Would there be any other documents/records that could be searched? Perhaps the young man was physically or mentally impaired.

New to this group Looking for validation to the any of the following: William Bradley / 20 mar 1792 Derry, Ireland Donald Bradley / Catherine O'Duffy 1753 - 1803 son of Flann O'Brallaghan / Molly O'Toole 1729 - 1788 son of Michael O'Brallaghan / Elienn McCully 1702 - 1760 f.wayne.bradley@worldnet.att.net Cully 1702 - 1760

I have received information that a John Redmond, Lawyer or Solicitor, born 1822 in IRL and died in 1872 in IRL. His death was reported by Catherine Redmond, whom I am assuming is his wife. Since no place name was given other than IRL, I don't know where to begin a search. Would there be a listing of the members of the legal profession that could be searched? Jo

Hi Wayne, This information may be of no use at all but I'll pass it along anyway. There is buried in Cockhill Church graveyard in Buncrana, County Donegal; which is about twelve miles away from Derry, a William Bradley who died on January 13th. 183? at the age of 45/43 years of age; the dates are not clear on the photograph I took many years ago. I've been trying for some years to confirm that he was an ancestor of the husband, William Bradley, of my great grandmother Winifred Bradley who died in 1951 aged 103 years but have been unsuccessful to date. Peter Murphy, Brampton, Ont., Canada "F.WAYNE BRADLEY" <f.wayne.bradley@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:Yif5f.457338$5N3.344574@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > New to this group > Looking for validation to the any of the following: > > William Bradley / 20 mar 1792 Derry, Ireland > Donald Bradley / Catherine O'Duffy 1753 - 1803 son of > Flann O'Brallaghan / Molly O'Toole 1729 - 1788 son of > Michael O'Brallaghan / Elienn McCully 1702 - 1760 > > f.wayne.bradley@worldnet.att.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cully 1702 - 1760 > > >

I need help locating my great-great-great-great grandfather John Handley/Handly/Hanley/Hanly and Bridget/Bridgit Mitchell, his wife. John and Bridget had the following children: Michael Hanly(birth date unknown) who married Eleonore Dassylva 6/2/1835 in Quebec City. Marriage certificate indicates John and Bridget are dead at that time and that Michael is from Ireland. He died 2/14/1893. Peter Handly (birth date unkown) who married Adele Corbin 11/6/1838 in Quebec City. Died 9/5/1890. Barnabe Handly 1817-1820 Marie-Anne Handley 1820-1822 Mary Handley 1823-1823 John Handly 1824-1825 We have no birth, marriage or death certificates for John or Bridget. We are assuming that something happened to them between 1825-1835, since their last son died in 1825 and Michael's marriage certificate states his parents are dead. I would appreciate any information, thoughts or ideas. Thank you! Jean-François Henley

Looking for McAllister(McAlister) Ballyshannon Co.Donegal--- William, Archie, Bella, May, Archie, Ambrose. Any info appreciated

Thanks, Cathy, for the interesting info. on emigration! Joni

Anne Gregg are you out there? I have sent a number of emails but have not had a reply. If you are there somewhere would you please contact me. Thanks Ian Donaldson

Another website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip/townlands/CappaghwhiteT.htm -- Pat Connors, currently visiting Albany NY

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, April 3, 1850 INSTRUCTIONS TO EMIGRANTS TO THE UNITED STATES; BY THE EMIGRANTS' FRIEND SOCIETY OF PHILADELPHIA The following is taken from the American Citizen and Emigrant Advertiser of March 2nd, 1850, published at Philadelphia and New York:- 1. Before making any arrangements for a passage, apply in person, or by letter, to the society at the port from which you design to sail, for advice and assistance in obtaining a ship, procuring provisions, &c. If there be no society or accredited agent in the port, then apply to the government emigration agent. 2. After your ship leaves the port, your name and residence can be sent per steamer to the secretary of the Philadelphia society, and be received - so that your friends in America will have tidings of you before your arrival; but for this you will have to pay one shilling, the price of advertisement. 3. Previous to leaving port, you will do well to procure a copy of "Hints to Emigrants," which will be an interesting book to read on the way, and will give you much valuable information and advice. 4. Read carefully the annexed laws regulating emigrant ships, and see that everything on board is as the law directs. 5. If your funds do not exceed £10, bring out the amount in new sovereigns, requesting the Captain to take charge of it during the voyage. The money should be sealed up, with your name, number of your berth, and the amount written on it. The frequent cases of money lost on board makes this plan desirable. If your funds exceed £10, deposit it in any banking house transacting business with the United States; bring with you a letter of credit, leaving a duplicate with some friend. 6. If your port is New York, you will find on reaching quarantine, an agent distributing a handbill, headed "Office of commissioners of emigration." Read this bill carefully. On arriving at the wharf do not be in a hurry to go ashore. Leave your luggage in safe hands (do not trust a fellow passenger unless you know him), and go to the office of the American Citizen, where you will find suitable boarding houses advertised, and all other information that you may need. - Boarding houses advertised in the American Citizen, will generally treat you well, but to be secured from imposition, you must remember that the law requires the price of board and lodging to be hung up in the house; nothing is said about luggage, and a common method of swindling emigrants is to charge exorbitantly for storage, as it is called; make your bargain separately for this; you will pay nothing unless it is a large quantity; in that case have the agreement in writing. Unless otherwise directed under our authority, by our agent, or by the government agent, you had better purchase an inland passage ticket until you arrive in America. 7. If you travel into the interior, take specie, and not bank bills. Purchase also what provisions you may need on the route, before you start, as you will often be charged exorbitant prices on the way. 8. When you get settled in your new home, write to the office of the American Citizen, stating the particulars of your situation, prospects, &c. 9. If you wish to get employment, go to the British Protection Society's Office, in Greenwich-street, or to the Irish Emigrant Office, in Spruce-street, or to the Commissioners of Emigration, City-Hall. 10. Heed no one accosting you and offering you advice, either on board ship (save the commissioners agent), on the wharf, or in the street; especially avoid such persons as are very gentlemanly in appearance and profess great regard for you. Suffer no stranger, under any pretence whatever, to accompany you to an office, either at your port of embarkation or debarkation; if any one insists on accompanying you, give him in charge to a police-officer or let it be known at the office that you have not employed him. His object is to get commission at least, and this may come out of your pocket. 11. If thus advised, you let the land sharks - the runners, get hold of you, it will, remember, be your own fault. The society's agent in Liverpool is Mr. E. Jones, 25, Union-street. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, April 3, 1850 FARE TO AMERICA "B.C., a Constant Reader," thus writes to the Farmer's Gazette - "A new-married couple being desirous of going to America, wishes to know through the medium of your widely-circulated journal, the fare from Liverpool to New York or Boston, or which is the best place for such to go, or what is the least sum they would want after providing every thing for their passage. - The fare of emigrants is constantly fluctuating; last week the price was from Dublin to either New York or Boston, via Liverpool, £3 15s., with a certain allowance of rations; this week it is up to £4 12s. and £5. The rations are: - 2 1/2lbs. bread or biscuit, 1lb. wheaten flour, 5lbs. oatmeal, 2lbs. rice, and 1lb. pork (in all 11 1/2lbs.) with 2oz. tea, 1/2lb. sugar, 1/2lb. molasses, and 21 quarts of water per week. In addition to this passengers will require to take with them some little extras- say a little more tea, sugar, &c., some coffee, a little bacon, a few eggs, &c., the quantities of with they may easily calculate, by laying in sufficient with the above for a voyage. The ship provides berths to sleep in, three feet six inches wide for two persons, and others four feet six inches (adapted for families with young children). Passengers have to find their own bedding, and such small cooking and eating utensils as they may require. Tin ware will do and can be got cheap here or in Liverpool. The best information about America, &c., is to be had in the Emigration Guide and Almanac, price 4d., which can be sent to the country postpaid, on receipt of sixpence, or postage stamps, on application to any of the emigration agents. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Dennis & Barry, Thanks for the info, appreciated. After a good couple of years research, have just found my relatiives originating from Cappaghwhite circa 1810. Rgds. Frank

I have checked the Castle Garden and Ships Lists websites and don't have access to Ancestry.com. Does anyone have any information for the following family? Michael and Margaret Morrin census records show immigration dates of both 1876 and 1878 children: Mary Ann, John, William and Elizabeth >From Ireland, Queens County Thank you for your help. Linda Oklahoma

GKM wrote: > <Patscga@aol.com> wrote in message news:a3.7d76b168.3082507e@aol.com... > > >>I went to the local LDS library and got access to birth records for all >>of >>Ireland in the pre 1922 time frame. >> >>How far back do the records go? > > > http://www.genfindit.com/ibirths.htm shows an index of births from 1864 to > 1921. > > This is followed by a whole lot of microfilm numbers with labels such as > births volumes 1 to 20 for 1864, and likewise many volumes for each year to > 1955. I haven't actually seen any of the latter, and don't know how they > differ from the indexes at the start. (OK, indices!) Can someone here tell > us please? > > GKM > > Hi, From what I understand the difference is the Index's are just that an index for the given year of all Births or Marriages or Deaths. The Birth, Marriage & Death volumes are the record event ( date of Birth in this case).

Hello, list folks! I'm looking for people named Evatt. A Louth family, Evatt was, in the 18th Century, MacEvatt or McEvatt. Some turned to the "Established Church" and some the Presbyterian religion. Doing so, many dropped the Mc- / Mac- prefixes. The name may have gone back to the early 17th Century as an alias to avoid detection following the O'Dochartaigh / MacDaibheid 1608 Derry Uprising. By the later 17th - early 18th Centuries the name in Armagh-Louth-Down completed a phonetic change from the earlier MacDavitt/McDevitt to McKevitt, with the transitional MacEvatt concentrated in Louth. Your input appreciated.

Dennis Ahern wrote: > [...] >: The Birth, Marriage & Death volumes are the record event ( date of Birth >: in this case). > >Actually, the date given is the "quarter ending" date. In other words, if >the date is December 1887, it means that the birth was registered in the >fourth quarter of 1887 <tiny addition> and may have occurred at the end of the third quarter.

"FRANK RYAN" <frank.ryan5@btopenworld.com> wrote: : Hullo List, : Can you please tell me where Ca[[ahjwjote, Tipperary is located please. Cannot find it on my map of Ireland, nor can routemaster direct me there. : kind regards, Cappagh White is in the civil parish of Toem, Tipperary. If you take the R505 northwest out of Cashel, it's about 5 kilometers west of where it intersects with the R497 21 kilometers north of Tipperary Town. -dja

David J Grimshaw <Grimason_nz@yahoo.co.nz> wrote: : From what I understand the difference is the Index's are just that an : index for the given year of all Births or Marriages or Deaths. : The Birth, Marriage & Death volumes are the record event ( date of Birth : in this case). Actually, the date given is the "quarter ending" date. In other words, if the date is December 1887, it means that the birth was registered in the fourth quarter of 1887. -dja

FROM http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irish/Tipperary/places/caplaces.htm CAPPAGHWHITE Cappaghwhite 1837 A village, in the parish of Toom, barony of Kilnemanagh, County of Tipperary, and province of Munster, 6 1/2 miles N from Tipperary; containing 695 inhabitants, This place, which has been much improved within the last 40 years, and contains 115 houses, is situated on the new line of road from Tipperary to Nenagh, to the former of which it has a penny post. It is a constabulary police station; fairs are held on June 4th, July 27th, Sept 29th, Nov 16th and Dec 21st; and there are an R.C. chapel and a dispensary. Cappagh House is the residence of Mrs. Fitzmaurice Hunt. Five hundred acres of land near the village were, about seven years since, leased by Col Purefoy to the Mining Company of Ireland, who after incurring some expense in searching for copper, relinquished the enterprise CAPPAWHITE 1889 Population 629 in 1881 Cappawhite, in the parish of Toom, barony of Kilnamanagh, upper, is 7 miles, Irish, north of Tipperary, and 5 miles west by north from Dundrum, the nearest railway station. The village rises from both sides of a hollow, and is well built. Some years ago it had considerable notoriety as the scene of faction fights, but in late years none have occurred. Some of the land of the district is fair, and some light. Oats and potatoes are the principal crops. A weekly market for butter, etc., was held some time ago, but it declined. Mr. Vere Hunt and the trustees of Thomas Dowling are the landlords. The parish of Toom was famous down to the sixteenth century, for a priory dedicated to St. Donan. It was granted with possessions by Queen Elizabeth to Miles Magrath, Archbishop of Cashel. Barry

Hullo List, Can you please tell me where Ca[[ahjwjote, Tipperary is located please. Cannot find it on my map of Ireland, nor can routemaster direct me there. kind regards, Frank