"John" <j.mcquaid@ntlworld.com> wrote: >I have recently discovered amongst my late father's papers, a handwritten >letter of recommendation which is very tattered, soiled and repaired, >indicating much handling. It speaks in glowing terms of his time at school >and offers a high recommendation to any would-be employer. > >The letter is dated 23rd April 1920 - my father was almost 15 at the time - >and is written and signed by 'W.B. Joyce B.A F.R.S.H., headmaster of the >Central Model School, Dublin. > >I wonder if anyone has any knowledge of this school or any information, >history, location, whatever. I am keen to fill in the bits which are >missing in my searches. > There were a number of "model schools" in Ireland. They were used in the training of teachers. I'm pretty sure the central model school was that in Marlborough Street, in the centre of Dublin, on the same campus as is now occupied by the head office of the Department of Education & Science. -- PB The return address has been MUNGED

I have recently discovered amongst my late father's papers, a handwritten letter of recommendation which is very tattered, soiled and repaired, indicating much handling. It speaks in glowing terms of his time at school and offers a high recommendation to any would-be employer. The letter is dated 23rd April 1920 - my father was almost 15 at the time - and is written and signed by 'W.B. Joyce B.A F.R.S.H., headmaster of the Central Model School, Dublin. I wonder if anyone has any knowledge of this school or any information, history, location, whatever. I am keen to fill in the bits which are missing in my searches. John McQuaid

Hi, Would anyone have access to a copy of Alumni Dublinenses for the years 1592-1860 that would be prepared do a look up for me, please. I am looking for one George ALSTON, who was there 1834? to 1836? and am interested in where he may have lived in Dublin while he attended Trinity College. I think he got his BA in 1836. Regards, -- Susan Victoria Australia

""Sue J"" <macduff@infionline.net> wrote in message news:000401c62907$0950adb0$6402a8c0@SUSAN01... > Hi List, > > While doing a search just now on Ancestry, for DUFF of Ireland, I > found a marriage for abt. the right time frame and wondering how I > would go about proving this marriage and that they had a child in 1843 > named Daniel. Hello Sue. Unfortunately you cannot assume that the John Duff you found in the IGI is your john Duff as the name John Duff is recorded in counties Antrim, Carlow, Cavan, Cork, Down, Dublin, Kerry, Kildare, Laois, Longford, Meath, Monaghan, Tyrone and Wexford, all from the same period between 1847-1864 (Griffiths Valuation). If you are certain that your Daniel is the one from Dublin then one of the 13 John Duff's listed is more than likely your John Duff, but if one, some or all of these listed parishes(10) for John Duff, are one and the same person (doubtful) then which is he. It is possible that John Duff of Dublin had interests in more than one location but from what I know of Dublin most of these parishes are hardley close together. If you want the parish addresses for these John Duff let me know. Mike. > I found a marriage in County Down for a John DUFF to a Martha MARTIN > in 1841. This is also listed on Familysearch IGI. This would fit > perfect for my John DUFF, father of Daniel. I had even tried > searching Scotland before I found this. I came up empty-handed. > > I have no idea where John was before 1851 when he suddenly appears in > the South Dublin City directory on Great Britain Street. My John was > a Cabinet Maker. Before this directory, I cannot find him anywhere. > > I know my Daniel was from Ireland as I have his marriage in 1857 at > St. Catherine's in Dublin. I do not know when John passed away. The > occupation for John was taken from Daniel's marriage document. There > were 2 John DUFF living on Great Britain street in 1851. On was > raising chickens so I know that is not mine. > > Sometime after the 1871 UK census, Daniel moved to Lancashire. He > stayed there with his wife and children until he died 1898. In every > census from 1881 to 1901, the birth place for Daniel is given as > Ireland but no county mentioned. This is the extent of my > information. I have no idea who the mother was for Daniel and I am > hoping, beyond hope that this Martha MARTIN is his mother. > > Any help, suggestions, etc. would be greatly appreciated. I do not > drive so do not leave my home. All my research is done through lists, > RAOGK, etc. > > Sue in Florida macduff@infionline.net >

Hi List, Please ignore the post I made below. I did not have my FTM open in case I had to suddenly shut down due to severe thunderstorms in the area. As a result, I reversed, in my mind, the last 2 digits of my Daniel's birth date so, as a result, that marriage would not fit. My Daniel was born in 1834 so parents getting married in 1841 would not be his mother and father. I guess it is back to square one. I have been looking for years for the parents and where Daniel was born but I have a feeling that I will be part of the large majority that never get early that the mid 1850s. I do not know what else to do. From everything I have been able to find, the family has always been DUFF while in Ireland. I should have had an easier name, like MURPHY to work with. Just because my lines were Anglican, it has not made it any easier to trace them. Sorry for the stupid error. Sue in Florida macduff@infionline.net -----Original Message----- From: Sue J [mailto:macduff@infionline.net] Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:16 PM To: GENIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: John DUFF marriage - County Down Hi List, While doing a search just now on Ancestry, for DUFF of Ireland, I found a marriage for abt. the right time frame and wondering how I would go about proving this marriage and that they had a child in 1843 named Daniel. I found a marriage in County Down for a John DUFF to a Martha MARTIN in 1841. This is also listed on Familysearch IGI. This would fit perfect for my John DUFF, father of Daniel. I had even tried searching Scotland before I found this. I came up empty-handed. I have no idea where John was before 1851 when he suddenly appears in the South Dublin City directory on Great Britain Street. My John was a Cabinet Maker. Before this directory, I cannot find him anywhere. I know my Daniel was from Ireland as I have his marriage in 1857 at St. Catherine's in Dublin. I do not know when John passed away. The occupation for John was taken from Daniel's marriage document. There were 2 John DUFF living on Great Britain street in 1851. On was raising chickens so I know that is not mine. Sometime after the 1871 UK census, Daniel moved to Lancashire. He stayed there with his wife and children until he died 1898. In every census from 1881 to 1901, the birth place for Daniel is given as Ireland but no county mentioned. This is the extent of my information. I have no idea who the mother was for Daniel and I am hoping, beyond hope that this Martha MARTIN is his mother. Any help, suggestions, etc. would be greatly appreciated. I do not drive so do not leave my home. All my research is done through lists, RAOGK, etc. Sue in Florida macduff@infionline.net

Hi List, While doing a search just now on Ancestry, for DUFF of Ireland, I found a marriage for abt. the right time frame and wondering how I would go about proving this marriage and that they had a child in 1843 named Daniel. I found a marriage in County Down for a John DUFF to a Martha MARTIN in 1841. This is also listed on Familysearch IGI. This would fit perfect for my John DUFF, father of Daniel. I had even tried searching Scotland before I found this. I came up empty-handed. I have no idea where John was before 1851 when he suddenly appears in the South Dublin City directory on Great Britain Street. My John was a Cabinet Maker. Before this directory, I cannot find him anywhere. I know my Daniel was from Ireland as I have his marriage in 1857 at St. Catherine's in Dublin. I do not know when John passed away. The occupation for John was taken from Daniel's marriage document. There were 2 John DUFF living on Great Britain street in 1851. On was raising chickens so I know that is not mine. Sometime after the 1871 UK census, Daniel moved to Lancashire. He stayed there with his wife and children until he died 1898. In every census from 1881 to 1901, the birth place for Daniel is given as Ireland but no county mentioned. This is the extent of my information. I have no idea who the mother was for Daniel and I am hoping, beyond hope that this Martha MARTIN is his mother. Any help, suggestions, etc. would be greatly appreciated. I do not drive so do not leave my home. All my research is done through lists, RAOGK, etc. Sue in Florida macduff@infionline.net

Alan <mykin@btinternet.com> wrote: : I have traced my family back and my great, great grand parents came over to : London sometime in the early 1800's. : They were Mathew Donovan (b 1824 Cork) and his wife Catherine Donovan (b : 1825). they lived in Sunbury, Middlesex in 1851 according to the census. so : I assume they came to England between 1824 and 1851. See http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl for the Free Birth Death and Marriage Records database of England and Wales civil records. You should also visit the soc.genealogy.britain news group. : I believe allot of the records were destroyed about that time. What I be : grateful for is some help on the shipping lines/boats that left Cork during : that period and did boat trains to London. I have searched the Internet with : little success. Do the passenger list still survive for that period? Also : any advice on my next step in tracing my Irish heritage in Cork. There was no government requirement for passenger lists between the various parts of the United Kingdom. There was regular passenger traffic between Queenstown (now Cobh) in County Cork and Liverpool and other British ports. In fact, in the early 19th century, before the prevalence of steam vessels, Irish emigrants to North America and Australia had to go to England to get a ship. While many Irish records have been lost, particularly census records and most of the Church of Ireland parish registers, Roman Catholic can be found on microfilm at the National Library and elsewhere, including heritage centres in most counties where they are being indexed. Cork, the largest county is made up of the Diocese of Cork and Ross and the Diocese of Cloyne, of which only the latter is indexed and available from the heritage centre in Mallow. It covers mostly North and East Cork. See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/Cork.htm Cork Family Heritage Centres computerizing parish records Provides search service for a fee See http://tiara.ie/results.htm for customer comments http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/munster/index_co.htm Cork sources for genealogy http://www.sci.net.au/userpages/mgrogan/cork/ire.cork.htm Searchable Pages for County Cork http://www.corkcorp.ie/ourservices/rac/archives/ Cork Archives Institute http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ County Cork GenWeb http://tiara.ie/cork.html Local historical societies in County Cork http://homepage.tinet.ie/~chasoc/index.html Cork Historical & Archaeological Society http://www.skibbheritage.com/index.htm Skibbereen Heritage Centre http://www.4qd.org/youghal/ Youghal Genealogy http://www.ginnisw.com/Cork%20Landowners%201876/Thumb/Thumbs1.htm Landowners in County Cork 1876 http://members.cox.net/hayes1966/guy.htm Guy's Postal Directory 1914 for County Cork http://www.execpc.com/~mcarthey/Irish%20Ancestors/IA-Estate%20records.html Estate Records of County Cork http://www.corkcorp.ie/ourservices/rac/library/ Cork City Library http://www.henneberry.org/data/corkparishes.htm Parishes of County Cork http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/4889/civil.html The Civil and Catholic Parishes of County Cork http://www.execpc.com/~mcarthey/Irish%20Ancestors/IA-Church%20records.html Roman Catholic Church Records for County Cork http://www.cork.anglican.org/Genealogical%20stuff/Cobhgen.html Church of Ireland Parishes of County Cork http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/cork.html County Cork Genealogy Links http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/igsi_published/casey.htm Casey bibliography of North Cork; "O'Kief, Coshe Mang, Slieve Lougher and the Upper Blackwater" http://www.xs4all.nl/~tbreen/Journals/Cork.html Journal of the Cork Historical & Archaeological Society http://www.foundmark.com/Ireland/lists/DownMap/BigMap.JPG Map of Cork County http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/hanson/mapindex.html Civil Parish Maps of County Cork http://www.corkcorp.ie/maps/ Detailed Street Map of Cork City http://www.sci.net.au/userpages/mgrogan/cork/cork_map1.htm Baronies of County Cork http://homepage.tinet.ie/~aocoleman/ Cork Genealogical Society http://www.familia.org.uk/services/eire/cork_city.html Cork City Library Family History Resources http://www.corkandross.org/ Diocese of Cork & Ross http://www.sci.net.au/userpages/mgrogan/cork/cork_map2.htm Map of the Diocese of Cork and Ross http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~colin/Ireland/CorkGraveyards.htm Graveyards of County Cork http://www.askaboutireland.com/pilots/four/index_main.html Estate Papers of County Cork http://www.cork.anglican.org/Parishes_overview.htm Church of Ireland parish registers database for County Cork

Hi all I have traced my family back and my great, great grand parents came over to London sometime in the early 1800's. They were Mathew Donovan (b 1824 Cork) and his wife Catherine Donovan (b 1825). they lived in Sunbury, Middlesex in 1851 according to the census. so I assume they came to England between 1824 and 1851. I believe allot of the records were destroyed about that time. What I be grateful for is some help on the shipping lines/boats that left Cork during that period and did boat trains to London. I have searched the Internet with little success. Do the passenger list still survive for that period? Also any advice on my next step in tracing my Irish heritage in Cork. Thanks for any help whatsoever it will be much appreciated. Best regards Alan Donovan

See: http://homepage.eircom.net/~yolawexford/ Wexford Family Heritage Centre computerizing parish records Provides search service for a fee See http://tiara.ie/results.htm for customer comments http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/leinster/index_wd.htm Wexford sources for genealogy http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/wexford.html Wexford Surnames List http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/wexford.html County Wexford Fianna Page http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/o/r/o/Philip-J-Orourke/ Ordnance Survey Maps of Wexford http://indigo.ie/~ferns/fernsmap.htm Diocese of Ferns http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/wexford.html Wexford Surnames List http://www.familia.org/services/eire/wexford.html County Wexford Library Family History Resources http://www.wexford.ie/Library/Local%20Studies/index.htm Wexford Public Libraries Local Studies Collection

GDAY:) Anyone researching STEELE in Ireland? My lot of Direct Line of STEELE were from Kyle in Co Wexford Thankyou Regards Cathy:) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere Photos and full Actor Database.

Hello Mike, Many thanks for this information, another person on the List also gave me the same info and they were able to give me the names of the local RC churches. The gentleman that supplied this info actually lives a short distance away, I will see what eventuates. I too have heard of others paying large amounts for research in Ireland and getting nothing for their dollar, consequently my research in Ireland at that time ground to a halt. I will take your advice and see what quotes I can get before giving the go ahead. Colin in a very warm Brisbane. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike To: GENIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Research in Dublin ""Colin Liddell"" <caplid@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:01e001c6271d$d2125730$fc01a8c0@house1... >I wonder if anyne can help or suggest how I should go about researching the >birth of my wife's g grandfather in Dublin. > I have just discovered his death in Victoria, Australia and this gave his > parents and place of birth. > > Here is what I know of the man: > > Patrick WOODS a Roman Catholic, born Dublin c1838, father Andrew a farmer, > mother Ann (surname unknown) > Is this pie in the sky stuff or is there a chance I may be able to find > his birth? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Colin in a warm Brisbane. You need to know the parish, and the only Andrew Woods in county Dublin is as follows: SOURCE GRIFFITHS VALUATION INDEX (1847-1864) WOODS, Andrew County: Dublin Parish: Kilsallaghan Location: Coolquoy Common There is also a Michael at County: Dublin Parish: Kilsallaghan Location: Newbarn However! in most cases the recording of a birth was in the spouse/mothers parish, and she may be from an adjoinibg parish, but at least you have a place to start, you should also keep in mind the year that this or any other parish commenced to record events, most rural catholic parishes started around 1830 but some as late as 1870, city parishes did commence earlier. I would supply the parish information as above and ask for a quote, I know of many that have paid in excess of $100 only to be informed there was nothing to report. Good luck.

-- Kaye Payne" <kayepayne@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:0_YDf.232766$V7.195108@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > Hi, > > I am back to researching my husband's Irish relations. The following verse > written about a man who died young has just turned up regarding one of > them. I am wondering about the last line - a red cross be raised and am > asking if anyone would know why the mention of the red cross. The Northern > Ireland flag has a red cross on white and as the family came from > Killargue County Leitrim North Ireland to Australia I wonder if it refers > to that flag. The family seemed to say they came from North Ireland as > opposed to Northern Ireland. > > Kaye Payne > > He has passed from this world with its strife and its care, > From the lingering sickness which bore down his frame; > He has gone to the mansions, so bright and so fair, > Where rest, joy, and peace there never can wane. > Then grieve not for him for his soul is at rest' > In the sweet Saviour's arms in that land of the blest. > > His innocent youth, and his sweet smile has gone > And his playful jollity ne'er can return, > And the radiance glad from his countenance chase > Has now in its happiness found a new home. > Then in joy or in sorrow we'll think of his name, > And the tie of affection shall still be the same. > > As brother and comrade in black we shall mourn, > And the gay scarlet stripes shall be hid from the view, > The mark of the cross to his grave shall be borne, > And the white covered o'er by the apron of blue. > Then in green or in gold let his body be placed, > And over his headstone, a red cross be raised. Good morning from the Gold Coast Kaye Perhaps this answers your question: Source: The Monarchy Today - Symbols and Flags The cross saltire of St Patrick, patron saint of Ireland, is a diagonal red cross on a white ground. This was combined with the previous Union Flag of St George and St Andrew, after the Act of Union of Ireland with England (and Wales) and Scotland on 1 January 1801, to create the Union Flag that has been flown ever since. Best regards Elly > >

Hi, Masonic is a definite possibility but I thought the apron of blue may refer to this. I will look into your other suggestion. Kaye Payne -- Thanks from Kaye (Payne) (Still using ' takes forever - dial up internet '.) All incoming and outgoing emails are checked by "VET Anti-Virus Protection 2005" auto updated.

""Colin Liddell"" <caplid@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:01e001c6271d$d2125730$fc01a8c0@house1... >I wonder if anyne can help or suggest how I should go about researching the >birth of my wife's g grandfather in Dublin. > I have just discovered his death in Victoria, Australia and this gave his > parents and place of birth. > > Here is what I know of the man: > > Patrick WOODS a Roman Catholic, born Dublin c1838, father Andrew a farmer, > mother Ann (surname unknown) > Is this pie in the sky stuff or is there a chance I may be able to find > his birth? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Colin in a warm Brisbane. You need to know the parish, and the only Andrew Woods in county Dublin is as follows: SOURCE GRIFFITHS VALUATION INDEX (1847-1864) WOODS, Andrew County: Dublin Parish: Kilsallaghan Location: Coolquoy Common There is also a Michael at County: Dublin Parish: Kilsallaghan Location: Newbarn However! in most cases the recording of a birth was in the spouse/mothers parish, and she may be from an adjoinibg parish, but at least you have a place to start, you should also keep in mind the year that this or any other parish commenced to record events, most rural catholic parishes started around 1830 but some as late as 1870, city parishes did commence earlier. I would supply the parish information as above and ask for a quote, I know of many that have paid in excess of $100 only to be informed there was nothing to report. Good luck.

Thanks Dennis but I have already been through the newspaper website. Although very interesting reading, I found no link or information that would help in tracking down any of my Pollock ancestors. I'm hoping someone viewing these messages will have that missing info or at least a positive lead. "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> wrote in message news:drp4bl$uri$1@pcls4.std.com... > > If you enter Pollock in the search engine of the IrelandOldNews website > you get hits on 77 pages. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts > Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

I wonder if anyne can help or suggest how I should go about researching the birth of my wife's g grandfather in Dublin. I have just discovered his death in Victoria, Australia and this gave his parents and place of birth. Here is what I know of the man: Patrick WOODS a Roman Catholic, born Dublin c1838, father Andrew a farmer, mother Ann (surname unknown) Is this pie in the sky stuff or is there a chance I may be able to find his birth? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Colin in a warm Brisbane.

Thanks to you both. It is very hard without the history and I guess I will never know exactly all that. This young man's parents came out from Ireland on the 'John Renwick' in 1841 and headed for Maitland NSW finally settled in Kiama NSW where hundreds of Irish of all religions settled. I know they were Episcopalian (Cof E) but I just wondered about the flag. Although he was born in Australia he would have had plenty of Irish influences born in 1864 and died in 1886. Thanks from Kaye (Payne) (Still using ' takes forever - dial up internet '.) All incoming and outgoing emails are checked by "VET Anti-Virus Protection 2005" auto updated.

Aye, and perhaps the reference to burying him in Green or Gold is in reference to the Golden Harp on the Green Background of the Irish flag. -- Henry F. Brownlee Hunting Forebears "Elly Hill" <ellyhill@iinet.net.au> wrote in message news:43e1312d$0$32621$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au... > Good morning from the Gold Coast Kaye > > Perhaps this answers your question: > Source: The Monarchy Today - Symbols and Flags > > The cross saltire of St Patrick, patron saint of Ireland, is a diagonal red > cross on a white ground. This was combined with the previous Union Flag of > St George and St Andrew, after the Act of Union of Ireland with England (and > Wales) and Scotland on 1 January 1801, to create the Union Flag that has > been flown ever since. > > Best regards Elly >

See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/Dublin.htm Dublin Family Heritage Centre computerizing parish records Provides search service for a fee See http://tiara.ie/results.htm for customer comments http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/leinster/index_du.htm County Dublin sources for genealogy http://www.familia.org.uk/services/eire/dun_laogh.html Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown Library Family History Resources http://www.dublincitypubliclibraries.ie Dublin City Archives at the Gilbert Library http://www.rootsweb.com/~irldub/ County Dublin GenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/dublin.html County Dublin Fianna Page http://www.familia.org.uk/services/eire/dublin.html Dublin Public Library Family History Resources http://ireland.iol.ie/resource/dubcitylib/archives.htm Dublin City Archive http://www.glasnevin-cemetery.ie Glasnevin Cemetery, in Dublin http://www.loughman.dna.ie/dublin1850/index.html Dublin Directory of 1850 http://indigo.ie/~kfinlay/Dublin%20Streets/dubindex.htm Index to Dublin Street Names http://www.eneclann.ie/publications-5.asp The 1851 Dublin City Census CD from Eneclann

My wife notes that besides being the Cross of St. George, symbolizing England and NI, it also symbolizes the medieval Crusaders. Maybe he was a crusader for some cause. Jim Kaye Payne wrote: > Hi, > > I am back to researching my husband's Irish relations. The following verse > written about a man who died young has just turned up regarding one of them. > I am wondering about the last line - a red cross be raised and am asking if > anyone would know why the mention of the red cross. The Northern Ireland > flag has a red cross on white and as the family came from Killargue County > Leitrim North Ireland to Australia I wonder if it refers to that flag. The > family seemed to say they came from North Ireland as opposed to Northern > Ireland. > > Kaye Payne > > He has passed from this world with its strife and its care, > From the lingering sickness which bore down his frame; > He has gone to the mansions, so bright and so fair, > Where rest, joy, and peace there never can wane. > Then grieve not for him for his soul is at rest' > In the sweet Saviour's arms in that land of the blest. > > His innocent youth, and his sweet smile has gone > And his playful jollity ne'er can return, > And the radiance glad from his countenance chase > Has now in its happiness found a new home. > Then in joy or in sorrow we'll think of his name, > And the tie of affection shall still be the same. > > As brother and comrade in black we shall mourn, > And the gay scarlet stripes shall be hid from the view, > The mark of the cross to his grave shall be borne, > And the white covered o'er by the apron of blue. > Then in green or in gold let his body be placed, > And over his headstone, a red cross be raised. > >