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What about those churches that were sold, the headstones removed from cemetery, some headstones used as sidewalk in a park and others just leaning up against the old church? I don't think I will ever find my ancestors earlier than 1864. I don't even know where the parish records went and there is nothing for the parish church in LDS films. Sue -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christina Hunt Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:40 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Headstones in IGP Archives I have added a page to index the counties with Headstones so you can browse the locations. If you are mainly interested in headstones - this may help. It also shows which counties still need grave markers to start off. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/1headstones/index.htm There is a link here from the main page. Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have added a page to index the counties with Headstones so you can browse the locations. If you are mainly interested in headstones - this may help. It also shows which counties still need grave markers to start off. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/1headstones/index.htm There is a link here from the main page. Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/

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Thank you, Hugh. Back in 1999 my husband and I visited the National Library in Dublin. He had to get permission from the Diocese of Limerick in order to view the films (this is no longer true). In 2000 we visited LDS library in Salt Lake City. My husband requested the Limerick records and was told even though the records were in the vault they were not available to the public because the Diocese of Limerick had withheld its permission. Is this still true? In a message dated 6/2/2008 3:01:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: Just make a Place Search http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

Transcribed from the 2 July 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning Post, by permission of The British Library: A Convict[']s Letter to his Wife. The following is an authentic copy of a genuine letter sent by a convict to his wife, now a prisoner in Armagh:-- June the 2d, 1822. Dear Elonir--I received your last letter, dated the 21st of March, and my reason for not answering it was wating to I would have a full account of what would happen to me; but now I can inform you that I am on board the convict ship in the Cove of Cork, bound for Botany Bay, which I am not sorry at; all that grieves me is the parting of you, and I would give all ever I seen to have you transported along with me. When your time is up, my advise to you is to not leave the town of Armagh to you will do something that will have you sent after me; you will have my blessing night and morning if yo do that--and as Ireland has turned out so bad, and nothing but hunger and hardship to it, you need not be sorry to lave it. Thanks be to God, my mind was never contenter in my life, for my hart is broke with confinement, and I have every promise to do well when I reach the other side. The ship I am in has the best comendations for pashaners, and is kept so clane that is a pleasure to be in her; and the different officers on board gives every well behaved man heer every indulgence. We are trated very well in regard of alowance, and will be better when we set out to sail. I dont expect to get as much hardship to I gow to Botney Bay as I get coming from Dublin heer. Dont be afraid of not seeing me when you reach the other side; but if you wish to come, mind the ship's name, and the time that I was sent away, and the Governor, when you reach the other side, will have you sent to me. There is one hundred and ninety convicts to gow over in this ship, forby sum gentlemen and ladys that is paying there passage, and is in a part of the ship buy themselves. Write to me as fast as you get this, for I think that we will not sail to there will be an answer back; and give my love to Robert Boulter, and send an other letter with him to the other side. Give me all you know. No more from your loving husband to death. Direct your letter as followes: To the care of Mr. Sargent, bord of the Mangles, Cove of Cork for ---, convict from the county Tyrone. My blessing and God's blessing be with you and remain with you to I have the pleasure of seeing you in the other side. I will direct all my letters that I will send to you to the care of Jas. Robison, Monaghan. =====================

Just make a Place Search http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Place search results Cashel Ireland, Longford, Cashel Ireland, Tipperary, Cashel Ireland, Tipperary, St. Johnbaptist, Cashel Ontario, York, Cashel clock on church records then "For a printable version of this record click here then click your browser's Print button." EG Title Parochial registers of Newtowncashel (Longford), 1830-1947 Authors Catholic Church. Parish of Newtowncashel (Longford) (Main Author) Notes Microfilm of original at Longford, Co. Longford, Ireland. Some writing is faded and illegible. High reduction film (42X). Use high magnification reader. This parish was formerly know as Cashel and it is in the civil parish of Cashel. Subjects Ireland, Longford, Cashel - Church records Format Manuscript (On Film) Language English Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1984 Physical 1 microfilm reel ; 16 mm. Film Notes Note - Location [Film] Baptisms, 1830-1910; marriages, 1830-1910; deaths, 1830-1831, 1839-1880; banns, 1933-1947. - FHL BRITISH Film [ 1279221 Items 3 - 4 ] ============= Place search results Limerick Ireland, Limerick Ireland, Limerick, Limerick Maine, York, Limerick Ohio, Jackson, Limerick Pennsylvania, Montgomery, Limerick Limerick Township Ontario, Hastings, Limerick Township Pennsylvania, Montgomery, Limerick Township =========== just experoment Hugh W [email protected] wrote: > Steven, > > Are Limerick records available at the National Library? > > Are these "closed" records now available from the Latter Day Saints library > as well? > > Thanks. > > Nora Hopkins FitzGerald > GRANT/MCMANUS/MORGAN/WOODS > Clonduff CP, Stang and Drumboniff townlands in County Down > > > > In a message dated 6/1/2008 3:01:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: > > From: "Steven Smyrl" <> > > COUNCIL OF IRISH GENEALOGICAL ORGANISATIONS > > 31st May 2008 > > 'National Library has re-opened Roman Catholic parish registers for Cashel & > Emly, Cloyne and Kerry' > > The National Library of Ireland has finally re-opened public access to the > microfilms of the parish registers of the 'closed' dioceses of Cloyne, Kerry > & Cashel & Emly. For the past 16 years there has been no public access at > all to the microfilms of the registers from the diocese of Cashel & Emly and > only limited access to those for Kerry and Cloyne. The issue of access to > the microfilms for these dioceses has been a hot issue for many years now > and is one that CIGO has raised previously with the Library. The > 're-opening' of these microfilms after all these years is terrific news for > those who are searching for Catholic ancestors in County Kerry and parts of > Counties Tipperary, Limerick and Cork. > > You can read more about this story here. > > www.cigo.ie

Steven, Are Limerick records available at the National Library? Are these "closed" records now available from the Latter Day Saints library as well? Thanks. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald GRANT/MCMANUS/MORGAN/WOODS Clonduff CP, Stang and Drumboniff townlands in County Down In a message dated 6/1/2008 3:01:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: From: "Steven Smyrl" <> COUNCIL OF IRISH GENEALOGICAL ORGANISATIONS 31st May 2008 'National Library has re-opened Roman Catholic parish registers for Cashel & Emly, Cloyne and Kerry' The National Library of Ireland has finally re-opened public access to the microfilms of the parish registers of the 'closed' dioceses of Cloyne, Kerry & Cashel & Emly. For the past 16 years there has been no public access at all to the microfilms of the registers from the diocese of Cashel & Emly and only limited access to those for Kerry and Cloyne. The issue of access to the microfilms for these dioceses has been a hot issue for many years now and is one that CIGO has raised previously with the Library. The 're-opening' of these microfilms after all these years is terrific news for those who are searching for Catholic ancestors in County Kerry and parts of Counties Tipperary, Limerick and Cork. You can read more about this story here. www.cigo.ie **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

I sometimes forget about Google Books and their fine work! Saw recently that Microsoft is stopping their library ... :\ This has truly been a help and will add color to my family history.

COUNCIL OF IRISH GENEALOGICAL ORGANISATIONS 31st May 2008 'National Library has re-opened Roman Catholic parish registers for Cashel & Emly, Cloyne and Kerry' The National Library of Ireland has finally re-opened public access to the microfilms of the parish registers of the 'closed' dioceses of Cloyne, Kerry & Cashel & Emly. For the past 16 years there has been no public access at all to the microfilms of the registers from the diocese of Cashel & Emly and only limited access to those for Kerry and Cloyne. The issue of access to the microfilms for these dioceses has been a hot issue for many years now and is one that CIGO has raised previously with the Library. The 're-opening' of these microfilms after all these years is terrific news for those who are searching for Catholic ancestors in County Kerry and parts of Counties Tipperary, Limerick and Cork. You can read more about this story here. www.cigo.ie

>From The Irish Times, 10 November 1922 - DUBLIN BARRACK FIGHT. ----<o>---- CONDITION OF WOUNDED SOLDIERS. Sergeant J. F. Hessian, who was wounded during the attack on Wellington Barracks, Dublin, on Wednesday, was discharged from hospital yesterday. As regards the soldiers who were admitted to St. Vincent's Hospital, Private Thomas Finlay was in a rather serious condition, having been wounded in the region of the spine. The others were progressing satisfactorily. At the Meath Hospital operations were performed on Sergeant-Major J. B. O'Sullivan, Private Patrick Lynch, Private Andrew Farrell, and Private John Kelly. The condition of Sergeant-Major Nolan was stated as serious. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

I'm passing along this latest bulletin which should be great news for a number of people. -dja COUNCIL OF IRISH GENEALOGICAL ORGANISATIONS 30th May 2008 'National Library has re-opened Roman Catholic parish registers for Cashel & Emly, Cloyne and Kerry' The National Library of Ireland has finally re-opened public access to the microfilms of the parish registers of the 'closed' dioceses of Cloyne, Kerry & Cashel & Emly. For the past 16 years there has been no public access at all to the microfilms of the registers from the diocese of Cashel & Emly and only limited access to those for Kerry and Cloyne. The issue of access to the microfilms for these dioceses has been a hot issue for many years now and is one that CIGO has raised previously with the Library. The 're-opening' of these microfilms after all these years is terrific news for those who are searching for Catholic ancestors in County Kerry and parts of Counties Tipperary, Limerick and Cork. You can read more about this story <http://www.cigo.ie/news.html> here.

Thank you so much for this heads up ... I sometimes forget about Google Books and their fine work! Saw recently that Microsoft is stopping their library ... :\ This has truly been a help and will add color to my family history. Thank you! Karen > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:03:09 GMT > From: [email protected] (cecilia) > Subject: Re: GENIRE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 134 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > On Wed, 28 May 2008 07:15:43 -0400, Karen Oleson > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Loss of the Albion off Kinsale Head, Kinsale, County Cork - 1822 >> I wonder if there was a news article of this mishap [...] > > Google is your friend. > > Searching on > Albion Kinsale > gives a number of relevant results. > > E.g. some restrospective comments towards the start of > http://scholar.library.miami.edu/stewart/diary2.html > > and a number of pages in an account, quoting various contemporary > letters and a newspaper article, in Gogglebooks's digital version of > The Mariner's Chronicle, 1832 (pp. 447-452) at > http://tinyurl.com/45v5ud > > Another Googlebook at http://tinyurl.com/54crau says that "Major > Gough, of the British Army, remarked, that 'Death, come as he would, > was an unwelcome messenger, but we must meet him as we could'." > >

This week the Surname Registry was updated with another 100 names. So far, over 300 names have been added in May. We still have a backlog of over 200 names so if yours isn't there, they will be soon. This week all the B's were added to the 1864 Ireland Birth Index. The C's will start going up soon. This week a new feature was started at IGW, the Surname Data Bank. This is dedicated to those who have done research on one particular surname, hoping to find connections. They end up with lots of data not needed for their family tree but since it took time and energy, the data is saved. Why not share your research? Here is a place to get it online and help others. We started with the McKernan (plus other variant spellings of the surname) Births, Marriages and Deaths found in the Ireland BMD indexs from 1864-1910. If you have data you would like to contribute, please contact me off list. You can find our site at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ Feel free to share this email on other lists that you may belong to. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

[email protected] beitelde in het scherm news:e1df4a26-5197-4a02- [email protected] : > Does anyone know any Mc Canns from the Falls Rd Belfast? Is it possible to supply a bit more information? -- Eddy Landzaat ================================================================ For your holidaytrip: http://www.holidayinclare.ie ================================================================

On Wed, 28 May 2008 07:15:43 -0400, Karen Oleson <[email protected]> wrote: >Loss of the Albion off Kinsale Head, Kinsale, County Cork - 1822 > I wonder if there was a news article of this mishap [...] Google is your friend. Searching on Albion Kinsale gives a number of relevant results. E.g. some restrospective comments towards the start of http://scholar.library.miami.edu/stewart/diary2.html and a number of pages in an account, quoting various contemporary letters and a newspaper article, in Gogglebooks's digital version of The Mariner's Chronicle, 1832 (pp. 447-452) at http://tinyurl.com/45v5ud Another Googlebook at http://tinyurl.com/54crau says that "Major Gough, of the British Army, remarked, that 'Death, come as he would, was an unwelcome messenger, but we must meet him as we could'."

Loss of the Albion off Kinsale Head, Kinsale, County Cork - 1822 I wonder if there was a news article of this mishap which included part of a regiment returning from Canada to Ireland. William GOUGH, son of Lieut. Col. George GOUGH and Letitia BUNBURY was aboard. He was also a brother to Sir Hugh GOUGH of military fame. I note the next to last paragraph: "The scene of this distressing shipwreck is about a quarter of a mile distant from the place where the Racehorse sloop of war was lately wrecked." Any help would be much appreciated. Karen --- > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 01:00:09 -0600 > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: GENIRE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 134 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. News extracts: May 27, 1823: Loss of the brig Robert > [Nathaniel Netham, Joseph Nixon, Thomas Callan] (Alison Kilpatrick) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 10:17:57 GMT > From: Alison Kilpatrick <[email protected]> > Subject: News extracts: May 27, 1823: Loss of the brig Robert > [Nathaniel Netham, Joseph Nixon, Thomas Callan] > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Transcribed from the 27 May 1823 edition of The Strabane Morning Post > newspaper, by permission of The British Library: > > Most Melancholy Shipwreck off the Isle of Man. > Upwards of Forty Lives Lost. > The brig Robert, of Whitehaven, 186 tons burthen, Captain Nathaniel > Netham, sailed from Dublin for Liverpool, early on Friday morning, > having on board between 50 and 60 passengers (including about 20 women > and children); 13 horses, 39 bullocks, and 60 pigs, &c. Towards evening > the sea became extremely boisterous: as the vessel inclined to either > side, there the pigs rushed in a body; and the bullocks having broken > loose became unmanageable. In this predicament considerable fears were > entertained by the passengers for their safety, and they entreated the > Captain either to return to Dublin or to put into the nearest port. It > was impossible to comply with the former request, but the Captain said > he would run into Whitehaven. > At this time (about half past eight) the vessel was under a heavy > press of sail; and being on the Manx coast; our informant (Mr. Joseph > Nixon, of Newgrove, near Monaghan) says the Captain was not aware of > being near the land, for in reply to a question of Mr. Nixon, he said > there was not the least danger, as the vessel was between twenty and > thirty miles from any coast. A few minutes afterward, the Captain and > Mr. Nixon being in the cabin (the latter having laid down in the > Captain's bed), the vessel struck on the rocks at Langles Point with a > dreadful crash. The Captain and Mr. Nixon immediately rushed on deck, > where a scene of the most horrifying description presented itself. The > terrific shrieks of the women and children, and the distraction of the > men, may be imagined, but cannot be described. At this awful and > perilous moment,--the sea running mountains high, and the waves dashing > over the vessel--shrouded in midnight darkness, and on an unknown > coast,--there was not a moment for deliberation. They who could swim > immediately jumped into the sea and gained the rocks, while a few others > also succeeded by passing over the bowsprit and descending on a jutting > point of the rock. Several who had gained the rocks were unfortunately > washed off by the overwhelming waves, and it was only be the utmost > human exertions that a portion of them escaped destruction. > Those who succeeded in retaining their hold, clambered from rock to > rock, during the short interval that succeeded each wave, until they > attained land. Of the entire number, not more than 19 persons (including > the Captain and crew) were saved--the remainder found a watery grave. > One woman was among the number saved, but she was much injured and not > expected to survive. The Captain had a narrow escape, and was much > bruised. From the darkness of the night, these unfortunate people had > considerable difficulty in finding a habitation. On the following > morning they went to Castletown, about a mile and a half distant, where > they received every attention and kindness. A collection was raised for > their relief, and a vessel prepared to convey them to their destination. > Mr. Nixon came over to Ardglas [sic] in a fishing smack, accompanied > by another man, from Carrickmacross, named Thos. Callan. When he came > from the scene of shipwreck (which was on Monday morning) not one of the > bodies of the sufferers had been found. He states that the passengers > were entirely of the poorer class.--One poor man lost his wife and seven > children. The horses, bullocks, &c. were all lost, with the exception of > one bullock and three pigs. > The scene of this distressing shipwreck is about a quarter of a mile > distant from the place where the Racehorse sloop of war was lately wrecked. > No blame can be attached to the Captain, who was part owner of the > vessel.--Newry Telegraph. > > ========================= > > > > End of GENIRE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 134 > **************************************

Transcribed from the 27 May 1823 edition of The Strabane Morning Post newspaper, by permission of The British Library: Most Melancholy Shipwreck off the Isle of Man. Upwards of Forty Lives Lost. The brig Robert, of Whitehaven, 186 tons burthen, Captain Nathaniel Netham, sailed from Dublin for Liverpool, early on Friday morning, having on board between 50 and 60 passengers (including about 20 women and children); 13 horses, 39 bullocks, and 60 pigs, &c. Towards evening the sea became extremely boisterous: as the vessel inclined to either side, there the pigs rushed in a body; and the bullocks having broken loose became unmanageable. In this predicament considerable fears were entertained by the passengers for their safety, and they entreated the Captain either to return to Dublin or to put into the nearest port. It was impossible to comply with the former request, but the Captain said he would run into Whitehaven. At this time (about half past eight) the vessel was under a heavy press of sail; and being on the Manx coast; our informant (Mr. Joseph Nixon, of Newgrove, near Monaghan) says the Captain was not aware of being near the land, for in reply to a question of Mr. Nixon, he said there was not the least danger, as the vessel was between twenty and thirty miles from any coast. A few minutes afterward, the Captain and Mr. Nixon being in the cabin (the latter having laid down in the Captain's bed), the vessel struck on the rocks at Langles Point with a dreadful crash. The Captain and Mr. Nixon immediately rushed on deck, where a scene of the most horrifying description presented itself. The terrific shrieks of the women and children, and the distraction of the men, may be imagined, but cannot be described. At this awful and perilous moment,--the sea running mountains high, and the waves dashing over the vessel--shrouded in midnight darkness, and on an unknown coast,--there was not a moment for deliberation. They who could swim immediately jumped into the sea and gained the rocks, while a few others also succeeded by passing over the bowsprit and descending on a jutting point of the rock. Several who had gained the rocks were unfortunately washed off by the overwhelming waves, and it was only be the utmost human exertions that a portion of them escaped destruction. Those who succeeded in retaining their hold, clambered from rock to rock, during the short interval that succeeded each wave, until they attained land. Of the entire number, not more than 19 persons (including the Captain and crew) were saved--the remainder found a watery grave. One woman was among the number saved, but she was much injured and not expected to survive. The Captain had a narrow escape, and was much bruised. From the darkness of the night, these unfortunate people had considerable difficulty in finding a habitation. On the following morning they went to Castletown, about a mile and a half distant, where they received every attention and kindness. A collection was raised for their relief, and a vessel prepared to convey them to their destination. Mr. Nixon came over to Ardglas [sic] in a fishing smack, accompanied by another man, from Carrickmacross, named Thos. Callan. When he came from the scene of shipwreck (which was on Monday morning) not one of the bodies of the sufferers had been found. He states that the passengers were entirely of the poorer class.--One poor man lost his wife and seven children. The horses, bullocks, &c. were all lost, with the exception of one bullock and three pigs. The scene of this distressing shipwreck is about a quarter of a mile distant from the place where the Racehorse sloop of war was lately wrecked. No blame can be attached to the Captain, who was part owner of the vessel.--Newry Telegraph. =========================

Don Moody <[email protected]> wrote: : bugger off to those sites which cater for living people wanting to be found. It is a talent of the Irish to be able to tell someone to go to Hell, while making them anticipate the journey with some relish. -dja

"Hugh Watkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > from WDYTYA 2008 for Oliver MAxey [email protected] > > How far do irish records go back of MAXEY ? > > 2. Irish: variant of Mackesy, an Anglicized form of Gaelic Ó > Macasa 'descendant of Macus', a personal name which is probably a > form of Magnus. > > > Dictionary of American Family Names, Oxford University Press, ISBN > 0-19-508137-4 > > help please anyone? > I always wondered where the many tribes of Macu, Macus, and Macusi in Amazonia came from! All that translating trouble with the Macusi could have been saved if I'd realised they were emigrant Irish. It really shows how daft some of these name origin notions can get. They are hypothesising about events in the past which were not recorded, were in a language which is not today's language. in an alphabet (if recorded) which was not today's alphabet, , and with a word usage and pronunciation which was vastly different to today's. The genealogical value of these imaginary soundalikes is precisely zero. And there have been vast numbers of studies and comments to the effect that having a name does not necessarily imply any close genetic connection with previous users of that name. Nor does present place of residence necessarily indicate anything about ancestors' places of residence. Both are based on notions of stasis. People live in one place and keep one name. Neither is true. If it were, there would be nobody in Britain and we'd all be in Africa and all have the same name. Yet again it has to be said that any stats on populations, whether good or flaky, can be applied only - within quite large degrees of uncertainty sometimes - to populations. They have no bearing on genealogy, which is concerned with the ancestry of individuals each of whom has one father and one mother. You can't apply stats to one of anything. Don