Council of Irish Genealogical Organisations (CIGO) Both CIGO & the Genealogical Society of Ireland (GSI) have long called for public access to the Republic's 1926 census returns. This policy is one which CIGO has been actively pursuing over the past few years. GSI has now announced the likely publication of a parliamentary Bill through which it hopes access can be secured to the returns. You might also like to subscribe to CIGO's on-line petition <http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/1926C> calling for the early release of the 1926 census. You can read more about this issue here. <http://www.cigo.ie/news.html> www.cigo.ie

Diana & Alan Account <[email protected]> wrote: : Just reading the accounts of the free passage & land given to those : sailing to Canada. Any idea where those ship records might be : accessible? See: http://www.pcma.ca/archives_collection.htm Peter Robinson papers

Diana & Alan Account <[email protected]> wrote: > Just reading the accounts of the free passage & land given to those > sailing to Canada. Any idea where those ship records might be > accessible? You could try FindMyPast Passenger Lists. It depends on the dates you want to search. 1890-1960 are on-line at http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp If you want to see the results you must purchace credits. I advise looking at the transcript first (it's cheeper), then get the image of the original list if you want. -- Thanks and regards, Shane. "A closed mouth gathers no feet!" Email: Beware the invalid word! shane at wonk dot demon dot co dot uk Website: http://www.wonk.demon.co.uk/

Transcribed from the 25 June 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning Post, by permission of The British Library: There is now living in Broad street, Gorbals, Glasgow, a man of the name of Benjamin Pinkerton, who is within a few months of the advanced age of 100 years. He belonged originally to Ireland; he was born in the parish of Donoughmore, county of Donegal, and bred a shoemaker. He is still healthy and spirited; he has lost an eye, but retains his other faculties well. He made the shoes he still wears himself, and he fears he will still be under the necessity of making the next pair he may need, as he will be so poor that he will be unable to purchase them. His wife died about ten years ago, at the advanced age of 79. His father had 21 children, 16 of whom came to be men and women; and seven of these daughters it is believed are still alive in different parts in Ireland. He has been about 11 years in Glasgow.--Caledonian Mercury. ======================

Just reading the accounts of the free passage & land given to those sailing to Canada. Any idea where those ship records might be accessible?

Dianne wrote: > Hi hope someone can please help me with my research. I am looking for > information on a Thomas Richard McIlwaine/McIlwain (farmer) who was born in > Londonderry Ireland about 1842. His parents were John McIlwaine and > Elizabeth Miller. Wanting to also know when the family came to Australia. If > anyone can assist it would be much appreciated. Many thanks, Dianne in Qld > > > Hi Dianne, There are a number of issues with your question which raise further questions such as ; 1. Did John McIlwain and Elizabeth go to Australia with Thomas Richard McIlwain if so when and were did they die? 2. When did Thomas Richard McIlwain die and were? 3. Have you Thomas Richard McIlwain's death certificate? 4. Did Thomas Richard McIlwain marry and if so when and were? Until most of these questions are answered you are asking someone to hunt for a needle in a haystack due to the fact that either the Marriage or death certificate can provide valuable information that can narrow down the time frame that he could have arrived in Australia plus also the likely port of entry as well. David

Hi hope someone can please help me with my research. I am looking for information on a Thomas Richard McIlwaine/McIlwain (farmer) who was born in Londonderry Ireland about 1842. His parents were John McIlwaine and Elizabeth Miller. Wanting to also know when the family came to Australia. If anyone can assist it would be much appreciated. Many thanks, Dianne in Qld

Alison Kilpatrick <[email protected]> wrote: : Transcribed from the 24 June 1823 edition of The Strabane Morning Post : newspaper, by permission of The British Library: : We learn that Government has decided on encouraging emigration from : the disturbed districts to Upper Canada. We understand that Mr. Robinson : has arrived in the co. Cork as an accredited agent to superintend the : embarkation of such families as may be inclined to embrace so favourable See: http://www.kawartha.net/~jleonard/robinson.htm Peter Robinson Assisted Emigrants to Canada

Transcribed from the 24 June 1823 edition of The Strabane Morning Post newspaper, by permission of The British Library: We learn that Government has decided on encouraging emigration from the disturbed districts to Upper Canada. We understand that Mr. Robinson has arrived in the co. Cork as an accredited agent to superintend the embarkation of such families as may be inclined to embrace so favourable an opportunity. The most liberal encouragement is held out to farmers who shall be recommended, viz.--A free passage to America, the conveyance of their moveables--on their landing a grant of one hundred acres of land, and provisions gratis for the first year. It is supposed that this offer will be readily embraced by numbers in consequence of the overgrown population in the country, and the general want of employment at this moment. =========================

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Hi I noticed that some registration districts are not very clear about their exact locations. For example there are districts such as Belfast Urban & St George's No 1. I know that the GRONI has a list of district councils on the web site but districts such as Belfast Urban & St Georges are not listed. Can anyone give me more information on the location of these please?

>From The Freeman's Journal [Dublin], 31 January 1801 - The utility of express boats from here to Holyhead is every day more apparent ; on the 24th, the Frolick left this harbour with the mail, and at the same time sailed the Besborough packet.--The Frolick had delivered the mail, and was coming away, when the other was entering the harbour of Holyhead. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

The following was spotted on page 10 of the Irish Independent of Monday, December 3rd, 1934, under the heading: RETORT COURTEOUS _______ A well-known Co. Kerry victualler was approached by a woman with a voucher for 9. lbs. of beef. After making a careful selection, she peremptorily asked for suet - for the cooking of the meat. The victualler eyed her, and replied: "No, madam; it is not so expressed in the bond. The bond doth give thee here no jot of suet"! John McQuaid

On Jun 17, 3:54 pm, "Don Moody" <[email protected]> wrote: > <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:[email protected]m... > > > Seeking information regarding Grandfather, Michael McDonald  who in > > late 1880's brought his German wife Eva Ovelock??  to Dromintee, Co > > Armagh. They had 8 children and grandmother's name is spelled > > differently on the birth certificate of each child. Names of > > children > > include, Thomas Patrick, Bridget, Peter, Mary, Eva Ellen, and > > Margaret. > > > Sponsers mentioned on the various baptismal certificates include: Thomas > > McDonald,  Anne McDonald, Laurence McDonald,  Mary McAleavey, Anne > > Shelvin, Phil Shevlin, Thomas,Shevlin, Alice Rooney, and Mary > > Heanly?? > > Any help will be received with gratitude. > > You need to get yourself sorted out before you attempt to continue > with genealogy. > > Go to the Genuki website and read the newbies guide. Reading a few > serious books on genealogy would help too. > > Then you might get sorted out about when a birth certificate is a > birth certificate and when a baptismal certificate is a baptismal > certificate, and be able to tell the difference between the two. > > Then you come to the complication of granny's 'variable' name. There > are two possibilities. Either she spoke her name with a German accent > and it was heard differently by different recorders. Or from time to > time she tried to anglicise her name and didn't always stick to the > same phonetics and/or translation or other form of modification. > > For an example of a mixture of methods,  a German called  Oberwegger > (a chemist who taught me how to translate chemical German) became a > Brit called Overton in later life. > > For another example, the Gaelic bheinn became the surname Bain in > Ireland and Scotland, Whitehead in England, Weisskopf in Germany, and > Montblanc in France. > > The lesson is that mistranscriptions are bad enough when they occur by > mistake and within one culture, but you've got to be on your toes and > indulge in lateral thinking to catch name variations between cultures. > > With a name like McDonald in northern Ireland it is futile to think > that searching Irish records is enough. Western Scotland is > genealogically one area with northern Ireland. People flitted back and > forth when small boats were the main means of travel and the roads > were from dreadful to impossible. Indeed there were some young lads in > Ireland who would row over to  a Saturday night ceilidh in > Campbelltown, Scotland, with genealogically interesting consequences! > Many of my own relatives found spouses on the other side of the water, > moving back and forth several times in a lifetime was nothing, the net > result is that I have as many nominally Irish as nominally Scottish > relatives, and the situation was fossilised in me being christened > Donald Patrick to shut up the Scottish Presbyterian cousins and the > Irish Catholic cousins. The mayhem when Rangers play Celtic in Glasgow > has been described as only the UDF and IRA playing away. That is how > close 'Ireland' and 'Scotland' actually are for genealogical purposes, > and you just won't cope with finding people unless you search both > lots of records. > > #Don Don, Thanks for your comments. I appreciate your suggestions. I made an error in the posting and listed the baptismal certificate sponsors as being on birth certificates. I have a copy of the 1901 and 1911 Irish census which shows that parents and children were living in Dromintee, Co Armagh, Northern Ireland in 1911. I further visited the Parish Office, now in Jonesboro and have copies of the records held there. It was from these records that I was able to discover the names of the various sponsors. The matter of the variable spellings for grandmother's maiden name is proving to be the major problem. I have downloaded emigration lists from Castle Garden and NY lists in the hope of finding a phonetic possible variation. All to no avail so far. PRONI, LDS, Genealogy, Ancestry, Armagh Records, Emerald Ancestors and US Records have no record of marriage for a Michael McDonald in the period 10 years before or after the birth of the first recorded child- so another blank. I listed the sponsors in the hope that some other researcher would recognize a surname and respond. I would have thought that a German wife would have been unusual in such a small Irish village. Your comments regarding the proximity of Scotland has opened up a whole new field of research. Thank you for your assistance, Trish

Seeking information regarding Grandfather, Michael McDonald who in late 1880's brought his German wife Eva Ovelock?? to Dromintee, Co Armagh. They had 8 children and grandmother's name is spelled differently on the birth certificate of each child. Names of children include, Thomas Patrick, Bridget, Peter, Mary, Eva Ellen, and Margaret. Sponsers mentioned on the various Birth certificates include: Thomas McDonald, Anne McDonald, Laurence McDonald, Mary McAleavey, Anne Shelvin, Phil Shevlin, Thomas,Shevlin, Alice Rooney, and Mary Heanly?? Any help will be received with gratitude.

In message <[email protected]> Charles Ellson <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:09:26 +0100, Graeme Wall > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > The US 'sticking their oar in' actually refers to the fact that the > > > > Buenos Aires had used the islands as a prison camp which detoriorated > > > > into a pirate's nest that preyed on passing shipping. The Americans > > > > sent the USS Constitution down to clear them out, hanging the > > > > ring-leaders and transporting the remainder back to the main-land. > > > > > > > Is that an unmentioned part of the 1831 incident described in the > > > strath.ac.uk article or something separate ? > > > >That, as I understood it, was the 1831 incident, which the article has a > >slightly different take on. > > > There is a rather more detailed description of the events in:- > http://tinyurl.com/5rzu6m > [Argentina and the United States 1810-1960 - Chap VIII The Falkland > Islands: A Diplomatic Incident and the Aftermath, 1831-1960] > > which unfortunately has a couple of pages missing, thus mangling the > interpretation of the plot to somewhat. It seems to be written from a > US POV with the US and Buenos Ayres squabbling over sovereignty > leaving the UK to nip in and retake possession of the islands. That's a good a reading as any. > The event seems to be a side issue of the main goings-on of the locals > getting rid of Spanish rule/influence in South America. At that time, very much of a side. Also at that time the Argentine government was actively encouraging the immigration of British, principally Scottish, settlers to transform the agricultural prospects of the country. One of the first such settlements was at Monte Grande, just to the south of Buenos Ayres which consisted of around 225 men, women and chidren from Dumfries and Galloway. The colonisation of the Falklands was just another in a whole series of such settlements in that part of South America. -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:09:26 +0100, Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote: >In message <[email protected]> > Charles Ellson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:19:45 +0100, Graeme Wall >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >In message <[email protected]> >> > Charles Ellson <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:44:08 -0400, katy <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Don Aitken wrote: >> >[snip] >> >> >> >> >> >> This was the high period of Britiah "informal empire" in South America >> >> >> - the theoretically independent countries of the region did what the >> >> >> Britiah told them. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >Os this when the Brits acquired the Falkland Islands, then? >> >> > >> >> British settlers had been there since about 1765, following closely >> >> after French settlers. There was also Spanish involvement and an >> >> amount of mainly non-hostile passing of the islands between the three >> >> countries. The Republic of Buenos Aires tried to claim the islands in >> >> 1820 (with the US also sticking their oar in) as they had never been >> >> formally colonised by the UK but withdrew their claim and the islands >> >> were made a formal colony in 1833. Argentina never possessed the >> >> islands until the unsuccessful war in 1982. Some of the >> >> passing-the-parcel is described in:- >> >> http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/scotia/gooant/gooant070703.htm >> > >> >The US 'sticking their oar in' actually refers to the fact that the Buenos >> >Aires had used the islands as a prison camp which detoriorated into a >> >pirate's nest that preyed on passing shipping. The Americans sent the USS >> >Constitution down to clear them out, hanging the ring-leaders and >> >transporting the remainder back to the main-land. >> > >> Is that an unmentioned part of the 1831 incident described in the >> strath.ac.uk article or something separate ? > >That, as I understood it, was the 1831 incident, which the article has a >slightly different take on. > There is a rather more detailed description of the events in:- http://tinyurl.com/5rzu6m [Argentina and the United States 1810-1960 - Chap VIII The Falkland Islands: A Diplomatic Incident and the Aftermath, 1831-1960] which unfortunately has a couple of pages missing, thus mangling the interpretation of the plot to somewhat. It seems to be written from a US POV with the US and Buenos Ayres squabbling over sovereignty leaving the UK to nip in and retake possession of the islands. The event seems to be a side issue of the main goings-on of the locals getting rid of Spanish rule/influence in South America.

In message <[email protected]> Charles Ellson <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:19:45 +0100, Graeme Wall > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >In message <[email protected]> > > Charles Ellson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:44:08 -0400, katy <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Don Aitken wrote: > >[snip] > >> >> > >> >> This was the high period of Britiah "informal empire" in South America > >> >> - the theoretically independent countries of the region did what the > >> >> Britiah told them. > >> >> > >> > > >> >Os this when the Brits acquired the Falkland Islands, then? > >> > > >> British settlers had been there since about 1765, following closely > >> after French settlers. There was also Spanish involvement and an > >> amount of mainly non-hostile passing of the islands between the three > >> countries. The Republic of Buenos Aires tried to claim the islands in > >> 1820 (with the US also sticking their oar in) as they had never been > >> formally colonised by the UK but withdrew their claim and the islands > >> were made a formal colony in 1833. Argentina never possessed the > >> islands until the unsuccessful war in 1982. Some of the > >> passing-the-parcel is described in:- > >> http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/scotia/gooant/gooant070703.htm > > > >The US 'sticking their oar in' actually refers to the fact that the Buenos > >Aires had used the islands as a prison camp which detoriorated into a > >pirate's nest that preyed on passing shipping. The Americans sent the USS > >Constitution down to clear them out, hanging the ring-leaders and > >transporting the remainder back to the main-land. > > > Is that an unmentioned part of the 1831 incident described in the > strath.ac.uk article or something separate ? That, as I understood it, was the 1831 incident, which the article has a slightly different take on. -- Graeme Wall My genealogy website <www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy>

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 09:19:45 +0100, Graeme Wall <[email protected]> wrote: >In message <[email protected]> > Charles Ellson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:44:08 -0400, katy <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >Don Aitken wrote: >[snip] >> >> >> >> This was the high period of Britiah "informal empire" in South America >> >> - the theoretically independent countries of the region did what the >> >> Britiah told them. >> >> >> > >> >Os this when the Brits acquired the Falkland Islands, then? >> > >> British settlers had been there since about 1765, following closely >> after French settlers. There was also Spanish involvement and an >> amount of mainly non-hostile passing of the islands between the three >> countries. The Republic of Buenos Aires tried to claim the islands in >> 1820 (with the US also sticking their oar in) as they had never been >> formally colonised by the UK but withdrew their claim and the islands >> were made a formal colony in 1833. Argentina never possessed the >> islands until the unsuccessful war in 1982. Some of the >> passing-the-parcel is described in:- >> http://gdl.cdlr.strath.ac.uk/scotia/gooant/gooant070703.htm > >The US 'sticking their oar in' actually refers to the fact that the Buenos >Aires had used the islands as a prison camp which detoriorated into a >pirate's nest that preyed on passing shipping. The Americans sent the USS >Constitution down to clear them out, hanging the ring-leaders and >transporting the remainder back to the main-land. > Is that an unmentioned part of the 1831 incident described in the strath.ac.uk article or something separate ?

I have Maguire's....contact me at the above email... Maureen At 08:17 AM 6/16/2008, you wrote: >Is any one out there searching the Maguire's? If so please contact > >gen searcher > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message