Transcribed from the 2 July 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning Post, by permission of The British Library: Cause of the Famine in Ireland. The immediate cause of the periodical famines of Ireland, is the use of the potato as the staple article of food. A quantity of land will support a much greater number of persons on potatoes than on wheaten bread; and if the potato, in other respects, formed as good a staple article of bread as food, its supporting a greater population would be a decided advantage. But the potato, considered as the staple article of the food of the people, is, in all other respects, less eligible than bread. The potato crop is much more precarious than that of wheat; potatoes from their bulk, cannot be so easily transported, so as to equalize the supply of food throughout the several districts of the country, and, from their perishable nature, the superabundant supply of one season cannot be carried forward to meet the deficiencies of another. There is another most important particular in which the potato is considered as the staple article of food, is inferior to wheaten bread. When bread forms the main article of food, the customary wages of common labour will be regulated by the customary price of wheat, and when any deficiency in the supply of wheat occurs, the people can resort to some cheaper article as a temporary substitute. But when potatoes form the main article of food, and when, in consequence, the customary wages of labour are regulated by the customary price of potatoes, then, when a deficiency of crop occurs, there remains no cheaper substitute to supply their place. A people fed upon potatoes, live upon the verge of famine--they are absolutely without resource, and the occasional deficiencies in the seasons, which, were their customary subsistence more costly, would only deprive them of some of their comforts, now plunge them in all the miseries of want. By order of the Marquis of Wellesley, a circular has been distributed through the different counties of Ireland, addressed to intelligent and practicable men, and proposing a set of queries with a view to ascertain the probable extent of the potato crop of this season, as compared with that of the preceding years, and also to learn the latest period, at which potatoes may be safely planted, as well as the difference of produce between the early and late planting. This measure, among a multitude of others, demonstrates how minutely and sedulously his excellency revolves the best interests of the country, and the comfort of the population. ===================

On Jul 1, 9:36 pm, [email protected] wrote: > George Clancy married Mollie Kileen about 1918. He was 34 years old when he was murdered in 1921. Look for the marriage license for George and Mollie as it should have the names of their fathers. > I could not find if Mollie remarried so you might try looking for a death record as Mollie Clancy. > After you know their fathers names and townlands, look in the civil register for George's birth in 1887 and for his family in the 1901 and 1911 Irish Census. > There is very little data to be found online or in my books about George Clancy. Good luck, > Ellen > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 08:47 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: George Clancy 1921 > > I'm hoping to prove or disprove a family association with George Clancy, Mayor of Limerick assassinated 1921. I am unable to find any death certificate or any information on any family/children he may have had. If anyone can point me in the right direction I’d be most grateful. My grandmother had made comments about a possible link, but sadly both my grandfather and grandmother have since passed away. Thanks in advance! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Thank you for your time and information, I really appreciate it. I did try and search the census records yesterday but couldn't find anywhere that has the records searchable/digitised (except for the Dublin census). I am thinking I should perhaps just start with my grandfather's birth certificate to see who his father was, but that doesn't seem to be straightforward either. I started with his death certificate which shows his date of birth as 06/03/1904. He had a middle name too, and when searching births I found a direct match to Patrick Joseph Clancy (father was Michael Clancy). However, the date of birth is incorrect (11/03/1908), and the address is given as 'Lying in Hospital'. I'm not sure what that means, but I did search for deaths and found a match to a Patrick Clancy who died 21 days after birth. There is another match on Patrick Clancy, without the middle name, which has the correct date of birth but without the middle name and a father's name of John Clancy, so at this point I'm unsure which path to take. Also, neither fathers name is George so if there was a link perhaps it was to one of George’s brothers, but without any more information on George's family I'm stuck there too.

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:00:22 GMT, [email protected] (cecilia) wrote: >[...] >I take it that Miss Walsh (the bride) was the eldest daughter. > >Miss Maggie Walsh was a younger sister. [...] On reflection, she could have been a niece, cousin etc.

George Clancy married Mollie Kileen about 1918. He was 34 years old when he was murdered in 1921. Look for the marriage license for George and Mollie as it should have the names of their fathers. I could not find if Mollie remarried so you might try looking for a death record as Mollie Clancy. After you know their fathers names and townlands, look in the civil register for George's birth in 1887 and for his family in the 1901 and 1911 Irish Census. There is very little data to be found online or in my books about George Clancy. Good luck, Ellen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 08:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: George Clancy 1921 I'm hoping to prove or disprove a family association with George Clancy, Mayor of Limerick assassinated 1921. I am unable to find any death certificate or any information on any family/children he may have had. If anyone can point me in the right direction I’d be most grateful. My grandmother had made comments about a possible link, but sadly both my grandfather and grandmother have since passed away. Thanks in advance! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hawke's Bay Herald 1896 Feb 14 Hastings WALSH to FLY WEDDING Page Two A very pretty wedding took place at the Catholic Church, HASTINGS yesterday, when a young lady very popular locally, viz., Miss WALSH, was united in matrimony to Mr FLY of MASTERTON by the Rev. Father SMYTHE. Miss Maggie WALSH and Miss Violet FROUDE acted as bridesmaids, and were presented with pretty gold brooches by the bridegroom. Mr and Mrs FLY left for their home by train this afternoon. They were the recipients of a number of serviceable and valuable presents from well-wishers.

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:44:13 -0500, "Henry Brownlee" <[email protected]> wrote: >[...] a young lady very popular locally, viz., Miss WALSH, was united in >matrimony to Mr FLY of MASTERTON by the Rev. Father SMYTHE. > >Miss Maggie WALSH and Miss Violet FROUDE acted as bridesmaids[...] > >Isn't it strange that the bridesmaids were identified by their full >names >and the newly married couple only as Miss WALSH and Mr. FLY [...] I take it that Miss Walsh (the bride) was the eldest daughter. Miss Maggie Walsh was a younger sister. Miss Violet Froude was likely to have had an older unmarried sister, or an unmarried paternal aunt. If Miss Maggie was the second daughter, the marriage of her sister would have elevated her to "Miss Walsh".

I'm hoping to prove or disprove a family association with George Clancy, Mayor of Limerick assassinated 1921. I am unable to find any death certificate or any information on any family/children he may have had. If anyone can point me in the right direction I’d be most grateful. My grandmother had made comments about a possible link, but sadly both my grandfather and grandmother have since passed away. Thanks in advance!

"mattse165" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] Hawke's Bay Herald 1896 Feb 14 Hastings WALSH to FLY WEDDING Page Two A very pretty wedding took place at the Catholic Church, HASTINGS yesterday, when a young lady very popular locally, viz., Miss WALSH, was united in matrimony to Mr FLY of MASTERTON by the Rev. Father SMYTHE. Miss Maggie WALSH and Miss Violet FROUDE acted as bridesmaids, and were presented with pretty gold brooches by the bridegroom. Mr and Mrs FLY left for their home by train this afternoon. They were the recipients of a number of serviceable and valuable presents from well-wishers. > Isn't it strange that the bridesmaids were identified by their full names and the newly married couple only as Miss WALSH and Mr. FLY and as Mr. and Mrs. FLY? Henry Brownlee Houma, Louisiana

CIGO IS PETITIONING THE IRISH GOVERNMENT TO OPEN THE 1926 CENSUS CIGO has long campaigned for the opening of post-1922 Irish census records after only seventy-five years rather than the current tariff of 100 years. In particular we believe that at the very least the 1926 census should be opened because many of the people enumerated were born before Irish civil registration began in 1864; that as the data recorded is so brief no breach of confidentiality would arise; and that as over 82 years have passed since the 1926 census was compiled virtually every adult then living is now deceased. Public access to the 1901 and 1911 Irish census was established as early as 1961 by the late Charles Haughey TD. The returns had been temporarily stored in the Public Record Office (PRO) in the mid-1930s, where they subsequently languished. They were officially 'transferred' to the PRO under section 13 of the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 in May 1961. It is important to remember that this decision was made only fifty years after the 1911 census had been compiled. The received history is that it was done to help mitigate the loss of Ireland's 19th century census records. Those for the 1821, 1831, 1841 & 1851 censuses were destroyed in the fire that consumed the Public Record Office in June 1922, at the height of the civil war. The returns for the 1861, 1871, 1881 & 1891 censuses were routinely destroyed through a bureaucratic muddle that saw civil servants in London advising their counterparts in Dublin that original census household schedules should be destroyed. Unfortunately, this advice was given without having first established that while in Great Britain the data in these schedules had been copied into census enumerator's books for future preservation, no such policy was followed in Ireland. There was to have been a census undertaken in Ireland in 1921, but that plan was abandoned because of the civil war. The first census to be undertaken in the new Irish Free State was legislated for in the Statistics Act 1926, and the enumeration was conducted in the same year. The 1926 Act did not provide for any eventual release of the household returns. However, this was remedied with the passing of the Statistics Act 1993 which did establish access, but only after one hundred years. The US policy is far more liberal, where census records are released after seventy-one years. This approach appears to work well and is generally accepted by US citizens. All surviving US censuses (with names indexes) up to 1930 are available on the Internet. The Genealogical Society of Ireland's (GSI) Genealogy and Heraldry Bill, (which did not become law) allowed for the opening of the 1926 after seventy-five years. GSI has now announced that a short Bill dealing specifically with the release of the 1926 census is soon to be published by an Opposition Senator and CIGO hopes that the Government will consider seriously the Bill's merit. In the meantime, members of the Shamrock List can read more about CIGO's 1926 census policy at: www.cigo.ie/campaigns_1926 and can support the '1926 Census' campaign by signing CIGO's on-line petition which can be found at: www.petitionspot.com/petitions/1926C .

HBH 1896 Feb 14 2 FLY to WALSH MARRIAGE FLY-WALSH-At the Catholic Church HASTINGS, by the Rev. Father SMYTHE, Harry Edwin, second son of Mr William FLY, Alfredton, WAIRARAPA, and late of Hampshire, ENGLAND, to Elizabeth Mary, fourth daughter of the late Mr Michael WALSH, of Limerick, IRELAND-MASTERTON papers please copy.

On Jun 30, 8:56 am, "Steven Smyrl" <[email protected]> wrote: > CIGO IS PETITIONING THE IRISH GOVERNMENT TO OPEN THE 1926 CENSUS > > CIGO has long campaigned for the opening of post-1922 Irish census records > after only seventy-five years rather than the current tariff of 100 years. > In particular we believe that at the very least the 1926 census should be > opened because many of the people enumerated were born before Irish civil > registration began in 1864; that as the data recorded is so brief no breach > of confidentiality would arise; and that as over 82 years have passed since > the 1926 census was compiled virtually every adult then living is now > deceased. > > Public access to the 1901 and 1911 Irish census was established as early as > 1961 by the late Charles Haughey TD. The returns had been temporarily stored > in the Public Record Office (PRO) in the mid-1930s, where they subsequently > languished. They were officially 'transferred' to the PRO under section 13 > of the Public Records (Ireland) Act 1867 in May 1961. It is important to > remember that this decision was made only fifty years after the 1911 census > had been compiled. The received history is that it was done to help mitigate > the loss of Ireland's 19th century census records. Those for the 1821, 1831, > 1841 & 1851 censuses were destroyed in the fire that consumed the Public > Record Office in June 1922, at the height of the civil war. The returns for > the 1861, 1871, 1881 & 1891 censuses were routinely destroyed through a > bureaucratic muddle that saw civil servants in London advising their > counterparts in Dublin that original census household schedules should be > destroyed. Unfortunately, this advice was given without having first > established that while in Great Britain the data in these schedules had been > copied into census enumerator's books for future preservation, no such > policy was followed in Ireland. > > There was to have been a census undertaken in Ireland in 1921, but that plan > was abandoned because of the civil war. The first census to be undertaken in > the new Irish Free State was legislated for in the Statistics Act 1926, and > the enumeration was conducted in the same year. The 1926 Act did not provide > for any eventual release of the household returns. However, this was > remedied with the passing of the Statistics Act 1993 which did establish > access, but only after one hundred years. > > The US policy is far more liberal, where census records are released after > seventy-one years. This approach appears to work well and is generally > accepted by US citizens. All surviving US censuses (with names indexes) up > to 1930 are available on the Internet. > > The Genealogical Society of Ireland's (GSI) Genealogy and Heraldry Bill, > (which did not become law) allowed for the opening of the 1926 after > seventy-five years. GSI has now announced that a short Bill dealing > specifically with the release of the 1926 census is soon to be published by > an Opposition Senator and CIGO hopes that the Government will consider > seriously the Bill's merit. In the meantime, members of the Shamrock List > can read more about CIGO's 1926 census policy at:www.cigo.ie/campaigns_1926 > and can support the '1926 Census' campaign by signing CIGO's on-line > petition which can be found at:www.petitionspot.com/petitions/1926C. A Chairde, The background to the long-running campaign by the Genealogical Society of Ireland to have the 1926 census returns released was published in the June 2008 issue of "Ireland's Genealogical Gazette" - please click on the link below to access the newsletter in pdf format. http://www.familyhistory.ie/docs/genie/Ireland%27s%20Genealogical%20Gazette%20-%20June2008%20PDF.pdf A very short Draft Bill to amend Section 35 to remove the 1926 census from the scope of the Statistics Act, 1993 was presented by the Society to Senators for their consideration and discussion with colleagues - it is hoped that this Draft Bill will be published in due course. The publication of this Draft Bill will bring this important campaign right into the centre of the Irish political stage - it will then be up to individual researchers, Irish genealogical organisations and their sister organisations worldwide to lobby Ministers, Senators and Teachtaí Dála (MPs) to support the Bill. Kind regards, Michael Merrigan General Secretary Genealogical Society of Ireland www.familyhistory.ie

Alison Kilpatrick wrote: > Transcribed from the 2 July 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning > Post, by permission of The British Library: > > A Convict[']s Letter to his Wife. > The following is an authentic copy of a genuine letter sent by a > convict to his wife, now a prisoner in Armagh:-- > > June the 2d, 1822. > Dear Elonir--I received your last letter, dated the 21st of March, > and my reason for not answering it was wating to I would have a full > account of what would happen to me; but now I can inform you that I am > on board the convict ship in the Cove of Cork, bound for Botany Bay, > which I am not sorry at; all that grieves me is the parting of you, and > I would give all ever I seen to have you transported along with me. When > your time is up, my advise to you is to not leave the town of Armagh to > you will do something that will have you sent after me; you will have my > blessing night and morning if yo do that--and as Ireland has turned out > so bad, and nothing but hunger and hardship to it, you need not be sorry > to lave it. Thanks be to God, my mind was never contenter in my life, > for my hart is broke with confinement, and I have every promise to do > well when I reach the other side. The ship I am in has the best > comendations for pashaners, and is kept so clane that is a pleasure to > be in her; and the different officers on board gives every well behaved > man heer every indulgence. We are trated very well in regard of > alowance, and will be better when we set out to sail. I dont expect to > get as much hardship to I gow to Botney Bay as I get coming from Dublin > heer. Dont be afraid of not seeing me when you reach the other side; but > if you wish to come, mind the ship's name, and the time that I was sent > away, and the Governor, when you reach the other side, will have you > sent to me. There is one hundred and ninety convicts to gow over in this > ship, forby sum gentlemen and ladys that is paying there passage, and is > in a part of the ship buy themselves. Write to me as fast as you get > this, for I think that we will not sail to there will be an answer back; > and give my love to Robert Boulter, and send an other letter with him to > the other side. Give me all you know. No more from your loving husband > to death. > Direct your letter as followes: To the care of Mr. Sargent, bord of > the Mangles, Cove of Cork for ---, convict from the county Tyrone. > My blessing and God's blessing be with you and remain with you to I > have the pleasure of seeing you in the other side. I will direct all my > letters that I will send to you to the care of Jas. Robison, Monaghan. > > ===================== > Alison - Fascinated by the convict letter you posted, can you give me a few more details - did the convict "make good" here in Australia? Since my son wrote "Notorious Strumpets" about female convicts transported to Tasmania 1803-1829 I am always interested in anything to do with convicts. Patricia

I have just added some more data to the Arles Parish Baptism records: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/Baptisms_Index.htm Michael Brennan Carlow IGP: http://www.igp-web.com/carlow/index.htm Home Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mjbrennan/index.htm

mathuna wrote: > Alison Kilpatrick wrote: >> Transcribed from the 2 July 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning >> Post, by permission of The British Library: >> >> A Convict[']s Letter to his Wife. >> [...] >> > Alison - Fascinated by the convict letter you posted, can you give me a > few more details - did the convict "make good" here in Australia? Since > my son wrote "Notorious Strumpets" about female convicts transported to > Tasmania 1803-1829 I am always interested in anything to do with > convicts. Patricia Sorry ... I'm just the transcriber. You might try soc.genealogy.australia+nz. Cheers, Alison

>From The Cork Examiner, 13 August 1861 - ARRIVAL OF THE DUKE OF CAMBRIDGE.--His Royal Highness the Duke of Cambridge, Commander-in-Chief of the Army, arrived on Sunday morning at Kingstown Harbour, by the Munster, accompanied by Major-General Sir Richard Airey, K.C.B., and Sir J. Macdonald, A.D.C. He proceeded by train to Westland-row terminus, where the Lord Lieutenant's carriage was waiting. His Royal Highness drove to the Royal Hospital, where he remained as the guest of General Sir George Brown during the day. He is expected to leave for the Curragh to-day. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:02:16 -0700, Diana & Alan Account wrote: > Thank you all. I would need records probably as early as 1832 There's nothing earlier outbound than the ones on findmypast.

Steven thanks for the info. I was not aware that there is a 1926 Irish census. Is this only for the Republic? What about Ulster? Yes, I did sign the petition. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald HOPKINS/BLAINE/JENNINGS/CUNNINGHAM/MCMYLER from Crimlin, Derrylahan and Commauns townlands in Mayo GRANT/MCMANUS/MORGAN/WOODS Clonduff CP, Stang and Drumboniff townlands in County Down In a message dated 6/28/2008 3:01:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: Council of Irish Genealogical Organisations (CIGO) Both CIGO & the Genealogical Society of Ireland (GSI) have long called for public access to the Republic's 1926 census returns. This policy is one which CIGO has been actively pursuing over the past few years. GSI has now announced the likely publication of a parliamentary Bill through which it hopes access can be secured to the returns. You might also like to subscribe to CIGO's on-line petition <http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/1926C> calling for the early release of the 1926 census. You can read more about this issue here. <http://www.cigo.ie/news.html> www.cigo.ie **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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Steven Smyrl wrote: > Council of Irish Genealogical Organisations (CIGO) > > > > Both CIGO & the Genealogical Society of Ireland (GSI) have long called for > public access to the Republic's 1926 census returns. This policy is one > which CIGO has been actively pursuing over the past few years. GSI has now > announced the likely publication of a parliamentary Bill through which it > hopes access can be secured to the returns. You might also like to subscribe > to CIGO's on-line petition <http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/1926C> > calling for the early release of the 1926 census. > > > > You can read more about this issue here. <http://www.cigo.ie/news.html> > > > > www.cigo.ie blogged but you need to clean up the html as seen in Firefox eg . . . e returns for the 1926 census.</span><span> </span> Hugh W

Thank you all. I would need records probably as early as 1832 On Jun 27, 2008, at 12:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Passage to Canada (Shane Badham) > 2. Re: Passage to Canada (Dennis Ahern) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:23:28 +0100 > From: [email protected] (Shane Badham) > Subject: Re: Passage to Canada > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <1ij5s2n.wqifci1nzog7hN%sh[email protected]> > > Diana & Alan Account <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Just reading the accounts of the free passage & land given to those >> sailing to Canada. Any idea where those ship records might be >> accessible? > > You could try FindMyPast Passenger Lists. It depends on the dates you > want to search. 1890-1960 are on-line at > http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp > > If you want to see the results you must purchace credits. I advise > looking at the transcript first (it's cheeper), then get the image of > the original list if you want. > > -- > Thanks and regards, Shane. > "A closed mouth gathers no feet!" > Email: Beware the invalid word! shane at wonk dot demon dot co dot uk > Website: http://www.wonk.demon.co.uk/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:26:06 +0000 (UTC) > From: Dennis Ahern <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Passage to Canada > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Diana & Alan Account <[email protected]> wrote: > : Just reading the accounts of the free passage & land given to those > : sailing to Canada. Any idea where those ship records might be > : accessible? > > See: http://www.pcma.ca/archives_collection.htm > Peter Robinson papers > > > > > End of GENIRE Digest, Vol 3, Issue 160 > **************************************