See: http://adminstaff.vassar.edu/sttaylor/FAMINE/Examiner/ Famine-related news from the Cork Examiner, 1846-47

"Theresa Green" wrote: >Does anyone have any data or sources of information on the family of the >Irish patriarch Michael Collins please? Using a search engine - worked example . http://www.google.com Search on Michael Collins family to see links to a number of articles giving his year of birth as 1890 and his position as 3rd son in a sibship of eight. Searching again on Michael Collins 1890 brothers to see links to (among others) http://www.generalmichaelcollins.com/pages/growing_up.html which gives a fair amount of family information. I have no idea whether it is correct.

Hi Does anyone have any data or sources of information on the family of the Irish patriarch Michael Collins please? Thanks a lot Theresa

I have census results for Bridget & John, along with all their kids and so on...everything after 1880. I looked at the link for familysearch that you listed and there is a record that matches...everything (address, dob/dod, occupation, etc), except for spouse name. I assume that is an error. There is not a May Collins in my tree but I'm wondering if it may be his mother, since one isn't listed. However, the record does state that his father's name is also John, born in Ireland. Could that be anymore difficult??? Such a common name without any other info. I do still have family near Youngstown and they have been willing to get DC, newpaper articles, pictures and such for me. I'm just not sure of the next step to find the link oto the other side of the big pond. I did my trial with ancestry.com but cancelled since there are other sites and I wasn't set on committing a membership to one yet. Is there anyother way to see passenger lists online, for FREE??? If not, Houston supposedly has a great genealogy library that hopefully I can visit on Saturday. As I mentioned before, I found one listing but it shows him by himself. I'd like to view the entire list in case they might be listed seperately and I also found a different possible match, but since my trial ended and I failed to write down or print the info, I don't have much to go on. What other versions of Collins are there? (I know of Collens) Also, is there a part of Ireland that the name would be more common? Thanks again for the info and the links!! Stacy "Michael Kenefick" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Hello Stacy, > > Did Bridgette die before John? A search for a Bridgette Collins in > Mahoning, Ohio gives four results. The one that died 12 Jul 1915 could be > your family? > > Both John and Bridgette's DC show an address of 53 East Madison for both > of the two I found / mentioned. Possibly John remarried after Bridgette > died and the new wife is May? > > That should give you two census records to look for John and Bridgette, > 1900 and 1910. Any kids? > > Look for John and May on the 1920 Census. Any step kids? New kids? > > Happy hunting. > > Mike in Ohio > > Stacy wrote: >> Immigrated to US in 1882 and according a passenger list, came by himself. >> His obituary in Youngstown OH (Nov 1923),stated he had a sister "Mrs. >> Catherine Claire, in Ireland". I've been told he was born in Clare County >> but haven't been unable to find a source. So I'm not sure if her last >> name is Claire or if they are refering to Clare county. He was also >> catholic. >> >> A great uncle was a president and active member of the Gaelic Socity in >> Youngstown and I'm hoping they can also offer additional information. >> There is a family rumor that John might have changed his last name and >> apparently there's a person who knows and won't spill, but even that is >> hearsay. Although, IF the passenger record is him (the only John Collins >> I've found with that match his age, so far), it was changed before >> arriving in the US. (which would seem obvious to me) >> >> He married Bridget Finnessy in 1887 and I'm still searching for a >> marriage liscense, to find out where they might have lived before records >> show them together in OH. I've attached his obituary and have ordered >> their death certificate, which will take 2-3 weeks. The death records are >> before they required registration, so I'm not sure if the certificate >> will be complete or what other information it might provide that I don't >> already have. In the meantime, if anyone can suggest a next step or >> something I'm missing, or even greater...a miraculous connection - ha! >> The holy grail seems always be the NEXT connection ;o)...I'd be grateful. >> >> I also came across Funcheon relatives this week. I'll search but if >> someone want to offer up/narrow down areas of Ireland, I'd also >> appreciate that...but no worries, I don't expect someone to find all my >> infomation for me...I'm on a treasure hunt and just trying to sniff out >> the clues! >> >> Thanks, >> Stacy >> >> >> > > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Hello Stacy, Did Bridgette die before John? A search for a Bridgette Collins in Mahoning, Ohio gives four results. The one that died 12 Jul 1915 could be your family? Both John and Bridgette's DC show an address of 53 East Madison for both of the two I found / mentioned. Possibly John remarried after Bridgette died and the new wife is May? That should give you two census records to look for John and Bridgette, 1900 and 1910. Any kids? Look for John and May on the 1920 Census. Any step kids? New kids? Happy hunting. Mike in Ohio Stacy wrote: > Immigrated to US in 1882 and according a passenger list, came by himself. > His obituary in Youngstown OH (Nov 1923),stated he had a sister "Mrs. > Catherine Claire, in Ireland". I've been told he was born in Clare County > but haven't been unable to find a source. So I'm not sure if her last name > is Claire or if they are refering to Clare county. He was also catholic. > > A great uncle was a president and active member of the Gaelic Socity in > Youngstown and I'm hoping they can also offer additional information. There > is a family rumor that John might have changed his last name and apparently > there's a person who knows and won't spill, but even that is hearsay. > Although, IF the passenger record is him (the only John Collins I've found > with that match his age, so far), it was changed before arriving in the US. > (which would seem obvious to me) > > He married Bridget Finnessy in 1887 and I'm still searching for a marriage > liscense, to find out where they might have lived before records show them > together in OH. I've attached his obituary and have ordered their death > certificate, which will take 2-3 weeks. The death records are before they > required registration, so I'm not sure if the certificate will be complete > or what other information it might provide that I don't already have. In the > meantime, if anyone can suggest a next step or something I'm missing, or > even greater...a miraculous connection - ha! The holy grail seems always be > the NEXT connection ;o)...I'd be grateful. > > I also came across Funcheon relatives this week. I'll search but if someone > want to offer up/narrow down areas of Ireland, I'd also appreciate > that...but no worries, I don't expect someone to find all my infomation for > me...I'm on a treasure hunt and just trying to sniff out the clues! > > Thanks, > Stacy > > > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On that DC the John Collins is a widow and a Policeman. Mike in Ohio Stacy wrote: > Immigrated to US in 1882 and according a passenger list, came by himself. > His obituary in Youngstown OH (Nov 1923),stated he had a sister "Mrs. > Catherine Claire, in Ireland". I've been told he was born in Clare County > but haven't been unable to find a source. So I'm not sure if her last name > is Claire or if they are refering to Clare county. He was also catholic. > > A great uncle was a president and active member of the Gaelic Socity in > Youngstown and I'm hoping they can also offer additional information. There > is a family rumor that John might have changed his last name and apparently > there's a person who knows and won't spill, but even that is hearsay. > Although, IF the passenger record is him (the only John Collins I've found > with that match his age, so far), it was changed before arriving in the US. > (which would seem obvious to me) > > He married Bridget Finnessy in 1887 and I'm still searching for a marriage > liscense, to find out where they might have lived before records show them > together in OH. I've attached his obituary and have ordered their death > certificate, which will take 2-3 weeks. The death records are before they > required registration, so I'm not sure if the certificate will be complete > or what other information it might provide that I don't already have. In the > meantime, if anyone can suggest a next step or something I'm missing, or > even greater...a miraculous connection - ha! The holy grail seems always be > the NEXT connection ;o)...I'd be grateful. > > I also came across Funcheon relatives this week. I'll search but if someone > want to offer up/narrow down areas of Ireland, I'd also appreciate > that...but no worries, I don't expect someone to find all my infomation for > me...I'm on a treasure hunt and just trying to sniff out the clues! > > Thanks, > Stacy > > > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Hello Stacy, Some Ohio records are online and free. Check http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0 select ohio deaths for death certificate (FREE, FREE, FREE). When I check for John Collins D. 1923 in Youngstown, Mahoning, Ohio the only possible match is the 1st of the three. But the wifes name is different. You may have to be a little generatic and hunt more. Also, if you are in Ohio, your local library may have various use from home or only from the library sources that can help in the quest. visit http://www.oplin.org/access.php?Id=67-22537&msg_ Example is www.heritagequest.com is viewable from home and www.ancestry.com is library use only for my library system. Other states may have similar programs. Mike Kenefick in Hilliard, Ohio Stacy wrote: > Immigrated to US in 1882 and according a passenger list, came by himself. > His obituary in Youngstown OH (Nov 1923),stated he had a sister "Mrs. > Catherine Claire, in Ireland". I've been told he was born in Clare County > but haven't been unable to find a source. So I'm not sure if her last name > is Claire or if they are refering to Clare county. He was also catholic. > > A great uncle was a president and active member of the Gaelic Socity in > Youngstown and I'm hoping they can also offer additional information. There > is a family rumor that John might have changed his last name and apparently > there's a person who knows and won't spill, but even that is hearsay. > Although, IF the passenger record is him (the only John Collins I've found > with that match his age, so far), it was changed before arriving in the US. > (which would seem obvious to me) > > He married Bridget Finnessy in 1887 and I'm still searching for a marriage > liscense, to find out where they might have lived before records show them > together in OH. I've attached his obituary and have ordered their death > certificate, which will take 2-3 weeks. The death records are before they > required registration, so I'm not sure if the certificate will be complete > or what other information it might provide that I don't already have. In the > meantime, if anyone can suggest a next step or something I'm missing, or > even greater...a miraculous connection - ha! The holy grail seems always be > the NEXT connection ;o)...I'd be grateful. > > I also came across Funcheon relatives this week. I'll search but if someone > want to offer up/narrow down areas of Ireland, I'd also appreciate > that...but no worries, I don't expect someone to find all my infomation for > me...I'm on a treasure hunt and just trying to sniff out the clues! > > Thanks, > Stacy ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:37:57 EDT, [email protected] wrote: >I vaguely remember reading that there are various varieties of potatoes and >the one that has the greatest problem (too watery) is the one planted in the >1840's. Had a different variety been planted, there wouldn't have been a >famine. Don't remember why the problem variety was planted. Maybe it was the >cheapest? It doesn't give variety of potato, but PRONI gives an account of the blight year by year at http://www.proni.gov.uk/historical_topics_series_-_03_-_the_great_famine.pdf

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 10:46:13 +0100, "Don Moody" <[email protected]> wrote: >[...] More population than agriculture can support [...] My understanding is that the potato encouraged more population than was supportable without it, by making it possible to sub-divide a plot and make potatoes a greater proportion of the crop, when more of the next generation wished to marry, and then doing it again, and again. The rate of marriage (and therefore child-bearing) among those that were left in Ireland was dramatically less at the end of the 19C than it had been at the beginning. See, for instance, http://www.springerlink.com/content/wbbkmkba8kfdvmr6/ (see also http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1090513897001037)

Thanks Bill No wonder the Irish are scattered all over the world. Bless them! cheers -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 02 July 2008 16:14 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: News extracts: July 2, 1822: Cause of the famine in Ireland Theresa, My understanding is that there was an earlier potato famine in the 1820's. The British took every advantage of the crops failing by forcing the Irish to leave. Bill -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Theresa Green" <[email protected]> > > > Thanks for this, its very interesting. In my strange mode of thought, I > believed the potato famine was a devastating one-off that occurred > during the 1840s.... I know I'm showing my ignorance here but - Does > anyone know if there were several potato famines? Did the crops fail > regularly? What did they eat before the potato? > > Thanks again. > Theresa > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Alison Kilpatrick > Sent: 02 July 2008 09:02 > To: [email protected] > Subject: News extracts: July 2, 1822: Cause of the famine in Ireland > > Transcribed from the 2 July 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning > Post, by permission of The British Library: > > Cause of the Famine in Ireland. > The immediate cause of the periodical famines of Ireland, is the use > of the potato as the staple article of food. A quantity of land will > support a much greater number of persons on potatoes than on wheaten > bread; and if the potato, in other respects, formed as good a staple > article of bread as food, its supporting a greater population would be a > decided advantage. But the potato, considered as the staple article of > the food of the people, is, in all other respects, less eligible than > bread. The potato crop is much more precarious than that of wheat; > potatoes from their bulk, cannot be so easily transported, so as to > equalize the supply of food throughout the several districts of the > country, and, from their perishable nature, the superabundant supply of > one season cannot be carried forward to meet the deficiencies of > another. There is another most important particular in which the potato > is considered as the staple article of food, is inferior to wheaten > bread. When bread forms the main article of food, the customary wages of > common labour will be regulated by the customary price of wheat, and > when any deficiency in the supply of wheat occurs, the people can resort > to some cheaper article as a temporary substitute. But when potatoes > form the main article of food, and when, in consequence, the customary > wages of labour are regulated by the customary price of potatoes, then, > when a deficiency of crop occurs, there remains no cheaper substitute to > supply their place. A people fed upon potatoes, live upon the verge of > famine--they are absolutely without resource, and the occasional > deficiencies in the seasons, which, were their customary subsistence > more costly, would only deprive them of some of their comforts, now > plunge them in all the miseries of want. > By order of the Marquis of Wellesley, a circular has been > distributed through the different counties of Ireland, addressed to > intelligent and practicable men, and proposing a set of queries with a > view to ascertain the probable extent of the potato crop of this season, > as compared with that of the preceding years, and also to learn the > latest period, at which potatoes may be safely planted, as well as the > difference of produce between the early and late planting. This measure, > among a multitude of others, demonstrates how minutely and sedulously > his excellency revolves the best interests of the country, and the > comfort of the population. > > =================== > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dennis, My father always said potatoes, dairy, onions and Guinness provided them all! Nuala "Dennis Ahern" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Alison Kilpatrick <[email protected]> wrote: > > : ... the potato, considered as the staple article of > : the food of the people, is, in all other respects, less eligible than > : bread. > > I seem to remember reading someplace once that a diet of nothing but > potatoes and dairy products, assuming the skin of the tuber is also > consumed, can provide all of the vitamins and minerals essential to the > human diet. It's also been said that "Man does not live by bread alone." > The periodic famines in Ireland were not caused by the failure of the > potato crop, but by an economic system that made it the main part of the > Irish diet. > > -dja >

Theresa, My understanding is that there was an earlier potato famine in the 1820's. The British took every advantage of the crops failing by forcing the Irish to leave. Bill -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Theresa Green" <[email protected]> > > > Thanks for this, its very interesting. In my strange mode of thought, I > believed the potato famine was a devastating one-off that occurred > during the 1840s.... I know I'm showing my ignorance here but - Does > anyone know if there were several potato famines? Did the crops fail > regularly? What did they eat before the potato? > > Thanks again. > Theresa > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Alison Kilpatrick > Sent: 02 July 2008 09:02 > To: [email protected] > Subject: News extracts: July 2, 1822: Cause of the famine in Ireland > > Transcribed from the 2 July 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning > Post, by permission of The British Library: > > Cause of the Famine in Ireland. > The immediate cause of the periodical famines of Ireland, is the use > of the potato as the staple article of food. A quantity of land will > support a much greater number of persons on potatoes than on wheaten > bread; and if the potato, in other respects, formed as good a staple > article of bread as food, its supporting a greater population would be a > decided advantage. But the potato, considered as the staple article of > the food of the people, is, in all other respects, less eligible than > bread. The potato crop is much more precarious than that of wheat; > potatoes from their bulk, cannot be so easily transported, so as to > equalize the supply of food throughout the several districts of the > country, and, from their perishable nature, the superabundant supply of > one season cannot be carried forward to meet the deficiencies of > another. There is another most important particular in which the potato > is considered as the staple article of food, is inferior to wheaten > bread. When bread forms the main article of food, the customary wages of > common labour will be regulated by the customary price of wheat, and > when any deficiency in the supply of wheat occurs, the people can resort > to some cheaper article as a temporary substitute. But when potatoes > form the main article of food, and when, in consequence, the customary > wages of labour are regulated by the customary price of potatoes, then, > when a deficiency of crop occurs, there remains no cheaper substitute to > supply their place. A people fed upon potatoes, live upon the verge of > famine--they are absolutely without resource, and the occasional > deficiencies in the seasons, which, were their customary subsistence > more costly, would only deprive them of some of their comforts, now > plunge them in all the miseries of want. > By order of the Marquis of Wellesley, a circular has been > distributed through the different counties of Ireland, addressed to > intelligent and practicable men, and proposing a set of queries with a > view to ascertain the probable extent of the potato crop of this season, > as compared with that of the preceding years, and also to learn the > latest period, at which potatoes may be safely planted, as well as the > difference of produce between the early and late planting. This measure, > among a multitude of others, demonstrates how minutely and sedulously > his excellency revolves the best interests of the country, and the > comfort of the population. > > =================== > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

H List, New to this and hoping that someone can help. I am wondering about boats leaving Liverpool for Ireland and passengers then crossing Ireland to depart from the West Coast to USA.? It has been suggested that this may be because of sickness on the boat.? Circa 1900.........any suggestions please? Sandra

Thanks very much everyone that responded. I will have a look at the links when I get home tonight. Its giving me a bit of insight as to why my ancestors departed their homeland and just makes you grateful for what you have today! Thanks again Theresa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alison Kilpatrick Sent: 02 July 2008 10:50 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: News extracts: July 2, 1822: Cause of the famine in Ireland Theresa Green wrote: > > Thanks for this, its very interesting. In my strange mode of thought, I > believed the potato famine was a devastating one-off that occurred > during the 1840s.... I know I'm showing my ignorance here but - Does > anyone know if there were several potato famines? Did the crops fail > regularly? What did they eat before the potato? Try Google Books to conduct an online review of contemporary literature*: many of these books have been digitized in full. Input "famine" and "Irish" as your search terms; then select "Full view only" from the "Showing" pull-down menu. There are 694 search results, many of which were published before 1846. Inputting "pre-famine Ireland" also yields a wealth of resources on the subject of economy, farming, living standards, etc. in the decades leading up to the Great Famine. * The inter-library loan system, via public and university libraries, would provide additional sources on the subject. Also check academic journal databases at university libraries. ... and a few online references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Irish_Famine_(1740-1741) http://www.ehs.org.uk/society/pdfs/O'Grada%2015b.pdf http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/famine/agriculture_pre. html http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/famine/potato.html http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/2262/7818/1/jssisiVolXXIPartVI_7296.pdf http://www.nber.org/papers/h0039.pdf http://www.irishhistoryonline.ie/ http://deskeenan.com/pre-famine.htm http://tinyurl.com/5et7bw http://www.bahs.org.uk/37n2a4.pdf http://multitext.ucc.ie/d/Ireland_society_and_economy_1815ndash1870 http://multitext.ucc.ie/d/Famine ajk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I vaguely remember reading that there are various varieties of potatoes and the one that has the greatest problem (too watery) is the one planted in the 1840's. Had a different variety been planted, there wouldn't have been a famine. Don't remember why the problem variety was planted. Maybe it was the cheapest? Nora In a message dated 7/2/2008 11:14:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: Transcribed from the 2 July 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning Post, by permission of The British Library: Cause of the Famine in Ireland. The immediate cause of the periodical famines of Ireland, is the use of the potato as the staple article of food. A quantity of land will support a much greater number of persons on potatoes than on wheaten bread; and if the potato, in other respects, formed as good a staple article of bread as food, its supporting a greater population would be a decided advantage. But the potato, considered as the staple article of the food of the people, is, in all other respects, less eligible than bread. The potato crop is much more precarious than that of wheat; potatoes from their bulk, cannot be so easily transported, so as to equalize the supply of food throughout the several districts of the country, and, from their perishable nature, the superabundant supply of one season cannot be carried forward to meet the deficiencies of another. There is another most important particular in which the potato is considered as the staple article of food, is inferior to wheaten bread. When bread forms the main article of food, the customary wages of common labour will be regulated by the customary price of wheat, and when any deficiency in the supply of wheat occurs, the people can resort to some cheaper article as a temporary substitute. But when potatoes form the main article of food, and when, in consequence, the customary wages of labour are regulated by the customary price of potatoes, then, when a deficiency of crop occurs, there remains no cheaper substitute to supply their place. A people fed upon potatoes, live upon the verge of famine--they are absolutely without resource, and the occasional deficiencies in the seasons, which, were their customary subsistence more costly, would only deprive them of some of their comforts, now plunge them in all the miseries of want. By order of the Marquis of Wellesley, a circular has been distributed through the different counties of Ireland, addressed to intelligent and practicable men, and proposing a set of queries with a view to ascertain the probable extent of the potato crop of this season, as compared with that of the preceding years, and also to learn the latest period, at which potatoes may be safely planted, as well as the difference of produce between the early and late planting. This measure, among a multitude of others, demonstrates how minutely and sedulously his excellency revolves the best interests of the country, and the comfort of the population. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Alison Kilpatrick <[email protected]> wrote: : ... the potato, considered as the staple article of : the food of the people, is, in all other respects, less eligible than : bread. I seem to remember reading someplace once that a diet of nothing but potatoes and dairy products, assuming the skin of the tuber is also consumed, can provide all of the vitamins and minerals essential to the human diet. It's also been said that "Man does not live by bread alone." The periodic famines in Ireland were not caused by the failure of the potato crop, but by an economic system that made it the main part of the Irish diet. -dja

Theresa Green wrote: > > Thanks for this, its very interesting. In my strange mode of thought, I > believed the potato famine was a devastating one-off that occurred > during the 1840s.... I know I'm showing my ignorance here but - Does > anyone know if there were several potato famines? Did the crops fail > regularly? What did they eat before the potato? Try Google Books to conduct an online review of contemporary literature*: many of these books have been digitized in full. Input "famine" and "Irish" as your search terms; then select "Full view only" from the "Showing" pull-down menu. There are 694 search results, many of which were published before 1846. Inputting "pre-famine Ireland" also yields a wealth of resources on the subject of economy, farming, living standards, etc. in the decades leading up to the Great Famine. * The inter-library loan system, via public and university libraries, would provide additional sources on the subject. Also check academic journal databases at university libraries. ... and a few online references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Irish_Famine_(1740-1741) http://www.ehs.org.uk/society/pdfs/O'Grada%2015b.pdf http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/famine/agriculture_pre.html http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/famine/potato.html http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/2262/7818/1/jssisiVolXXIPartVI_7296.pdf http://www.nber.org/papers/h0039.pdf http://www.irishhistoryonline.ie/ http://deskeenan.com/pre-famine.htm http://tinyurl.com/5et7bw http://www.bahs.org.uk/37n2a4.pdf http://multitext.ucc.ie/d/Ireland_society_and_economy_1815ndash1870 http://multitext.ucc.ie/d/Famine ajk

Thank you for that information Cecilia I was unaware of that and just type what is written and there is obviously a lot more information here than what I originally read. Elaine Isn't it strange that the bridesmaids were identified by their full names and the newly married couple only as Miss WALSH and Mr. FLY [...] I take it that Miss Walsh (the bride) was the eldest daughter. Miss Maggie Walsh was a younger sister. Miss Violet Froude was likely to have had an older unmarried sister, or an unmarried paternal aunt. If Miss Maggie was the second daughter, the marriage of her sister would have elevated her to "Miss Walsh".

Hi Henry I agree with you and when a overseas mailing I endeavor to find out the Folio No and details for you and they are: Harry Edwin WALSH F No 1402 Marriage to Lizzie FLY Regards Elaine Hastings Wine and Fruit Bowl of NZ and a chilly w2 deg at the moment Hawke's Bay Herald 1896 Feb 14 Hastings WALSH to FLY WEDDING Page Two Isn't it strange that the bridesmaids were identified by their full names and the newly married couple only as Miss WALSH and Mr. FLY and as Mr. and Mrs. FLY? Henry Brownlee Houma, Louisiana

Thanks for this, its very interesting. In my strange mode of thought, I believed the potato famine was a devastating one-off that occurred during the 1840s.... I know I'm showing my ignorance here but - Does anyone know if there were several potato famines? Did the crops fail regularly? What did they eat before the potato? Thanks again. Theresa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alison Kilpatrick Sent: 02 July 2008 09:02 To: [email protected] Subject: News extracts: July 2, 1822: Cause of the famine in Ireland Transcribed from the 2 July 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning Post, by permission of The British Library: Cause of the Famine in Ireland. The immediate cause of the periodical famines of Ireland, is the use of the potato as the staple article of food. A quantity of land will support a much greater number of persons on potatoes than on wheaten bread; and if the potato, in other respects, formed as good a staple article of bread as food, its supporting a greater population would be a decided advantage. But the potato, considered as the staple article of the food of the people, is, in all other respects, less eligible than bread. The potato crop is much more precarious than that of wheat; potatoes from their bulk, cannot be so easily transported, so as to equalize the supply of food throughout the several districts of the country, and, from their perishable nature, the superabundant supply of one season cannot be carried forward to meet the deficiencies of another. There is another most important particular in which the potato is considered as the staple article of food, is inferior to wheaten bread. When bread forms the main article of food, the customary wages of common labour will be regulated by the customary price of wheat, and when any deficiency in the supply of wheat occurs, the people can resort to some cheaper article as a temporary substitute. But when potatoes form the main article of food, and when, in consequence, the customary wages of labour are regulated by the customary price of potatoes, then, when a deficiency of crop occurs, there remains no cheaper substitute to supply their place. A people fed upon potatoes, live upon the verge of famine--they are absolutely without resource, and the occasional deficiencies in the seasons, which, were their customary subsistence more costly, would only deprive them of some of their comforts, now plunge them in all the miseries of want. By order of the Marquis of Wellesley, a circular has been distributed through the different counties of Ireland, addressed to intelligent and practicable men, and proposing a set of queries with a view to ascertain the probable extent of the potato crop of this season, as compared with that of the preceding years, and also to learn the latest period, at which potatoes may be safely planted, as well as the difference of produce between the early and late planting. This measure, among a multitude of others, demonstrates how minutely and sedulously his excellency revolves the best interests of the country, and the comfort of the population. =================== ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message