I found this from Christina Hunt: Google IGP Archives and it will redirect you to the Ireland Genealogy Archives where the records I contributed are. Scroll down to the drop down box and type mayo in both boxes...or any other county. Using Mayo or Sligo in both will find my records..hope it helps. ed loftus

>cecilia wrote: >> I need to disambiguate men named John Meighan. Frank & Roberta Gebhart wrote: >While you're at it you need to figure out how to tell them apart, too! >~(;->)< I don't much care what they looked like <grin> - I want to know where Eliza's son lived so I only have to search one local paper for the article about her visit to her son John.

"John McQuaid" wrote: >I don't think one can 'disambiguate' people; but then I might be wrong? Point accepted. Maybe I should have written "I need to disambiguate John Meighan." Or something else. The problem stands.

Alison Kilpatrick wrote: > Transcribed from the 4 July 1828 edition of The Newry Commercial > Telegraph, by permission of The British Library: > > Fatal Duel at Liverpool.--On Saturday, a duel took place between C. > Creagh, Esq. of Limerick, and William Smith, Esq. of Liverpool, on > account of the latter Gentleman saying that the Ladies of Ireland drank > to excess (of whiskey); both parties met near Liverpool, and having > exchanged shots, Mr. Smith received his antagonist's ball in the > abdomen, which we are sorry to announce proved fatal. > > ====================== > > Hmmm...serves Mr Smith right for being so ungallant. It sounds as though both gentlemen were suffering from the same fault as the ladies if Ireland were accused of. ;) -- Anne Chambers, South Australia anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

I don't think one can 'disambiguate' people; but then I might be wrong? John "cecilia" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] >I need to disambiguate men named John Meighan. > > I have found three John Meighans in the 1880 census who were born in > Ireland between 1830 and 1845 ie living > > Hoboken, Hudson, New Jersey, Birth about 1840 > Darlington, Lafayette, Wisconsin, Birth about 1837 > La Fayette, Tippecanoe, Indiana, Birth about 1837 > > Does anyone recognise any of these three, and can say whether or not > he was the oldest of three sons (they had one sister), children of > Eliza and Thomas Meighan? > > ============================= > > Reason for asking: > > The John Meighan I am searching for, and (separately?) his sister, > emigrated to the US, as did their brother George William (who died in > the Civil War, as a result of which his mother was granted a pension > in the 1890s). > > Their mother Eliza (Protestant), wife of Thomas Meighan (Roman > Catholic) worked in Ireland 1864-1888 as a Nannie for a large family. > One of her charges remembered in the mid 20C: > > "Nannie made a journey to America, to visit her daughter. Her elder > son, and her daughter, had both settled in America. Her son Mr John > Meighan had gone up in the world, and there was a paragraph in the > newspaper announcing the arrival of his 'agéd mother'. This was very > gratifying to Nannie." > > Her mother's notes of family events dates this journey by including, > at the end of 1886, 'Nurse hearing of the serious illness of her > daughter, sailed also in October for New York.' > > I have gained (thanks to the kindness of others) additional > information about George William and his parents from the USA Army > Records and Civil War Pension Records. > > Eliza married Thomas Meighan in 1837, and was said to be 29 in 1846, > and 73 in 1892. They had three sons and one daughter. George > William, the third son, was born in Dublin in 1846. At that point, > Thomas was a servant. > > Thomas died 1891. For the last 10 years or so of her life Eliza acted > as housekeeper for her brother-in-law, also John Meighan. "Her grave > is in Mount Jerome cemetery, Dublin; and there is a small brass tablet > to her memory in Ballyeglish Church" near Moneymore in Ulster.

>From The Cork Examiner, 1 May 1865 - OUTWARD AMERICAN MAILS. QUEENSTOWN, SUNDAY EVENING.--The royal mail steamer Asia arrived here from Liverpool at 11 a.m., and having embarked mails, passengers, and telegrams, proceeded for Halifax and Boston at 4 p.m. All well. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild, Irish Maritime News Acton, Mass. | http://immigrantships.net/newsarticles/newsarticles.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 13:16:13 GMT, [email protected] (cecilia) wrote: >I need to disambiguate men named John Meighan. > >I have found three John Meighans in the 1880 census who were born in >Ireland between 1830 and 1845 ie living > >Hoboken, Hudson, New Jersey, Birth about 1840 >Darlington, Lafayette, Wisconsin, Birth about 1837 >La Fayette, Tippecanoe, Indiana, Birth about 1837 > >Does anyone recognise any of these three, and can say whether or not >he was the oldest of three sons (they had one sister), children of >Eliza and Thomas Meighan? >[...] Sorry - that should have been 1880 USA census.

I need to disambiguate men named John Meighan. I have found three John Meighans in the 1880 census who were born in Ireland between 1830 and 1845 ie living Hoboken, Hudson, New Jersey, Birth about 1840 Darlington, Lafayette, Wisconsin, Birth about 1837 La Fayette, Tippecanoe, Indiana, Birth about 1837 Does anyone recognise any of these three, and can say whether or not he was the oldest of three sons (they had one sister), children of Eliza and Thomas Meighan? ============================= Reason for asking: The John Meighan I am searching for, and (separately?) his sister, emigrated to the US, as did their brother George William (who died in the Civil War, as a result of which his mother was granted a pension in the 1890s). Their mother Eliza (Protestant), wife of Thomas Meighan (Roman Catholic) worked in Ireland 1864-1888 as a Nannie for a large family. One of her charges remembered in the mid 20C: "Nannie made a journey to America, to visit her daughter. Her elder son, and her daughter, had both settled in America. Her son Mr John Meighan had gone up in the world, and there was a paragraph in the newspaper announcing the arrival of his 'agéd mother'. This was very gratifying to Nannie." Her mother's notes of family events dates this journey by including, at the end of 1886, 'Nurse hearing of the serious illness of her daughter, sailed also in October for New York.' I have gained (thanks to the kindness of others) additional information about George William and his parents from the USA Army Records and Civil War Pension Records. Eliza married Thomas Meighan in 1837, and was said to be 29 in 1846, and 73 in 1892. They had three sons and one daughter. George William, the third son, was born in Dublin in 1846. At that point, Thomas was a servant. Thomas died 1891. For the last 10 years or so of her life Eliza acted as housekeeper for her brother-in-law, also John Meighan. "Her grave is in Mount Jerome cemetery, Dublin; and there is a small brass tablet to her memory in Ballyeglish Church" near Moneymore in Ulster.

While you're at it you need to figure out how to tell them apart, too! ~(;->)< cecilia wrote: > I need to disambiguate men named John Meighan. > > I have found three John Meighans in the 1880 census who were born in > Ireland between 1830 and 1845 ie living >

A Chairde, The July 2008 issue of "Ireland's Genealogical Gazette" the monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland is now uploaded to the Society's website http://www.familyhistory.ie or you can access the newsletter in pdf format by clicking on the link below. http://www.familyhistory.ie/docs/genie/Ireland%27s%20Genealogical%20Gazette%20-%20July2008%20PDF.pdf Featured in this current issue:- + Public Ownership & Right of Access - A Fundamental Principle + New Irish Armiger Strikes Gold + Ireland in the Renaissance (review) + GSI Journal Published + New Ideas for the Gazette? + Limerick's Franciscans + Irish Army & UN Missions + GPO Easter 1916 + Local History Courses + GSI Lecture Programme + Membership of the Genealogical Society + Diary Dates + Contents of the Newsletter (January - June 2008) + Teachtaí Dála say NÍL to Logoism (MPs say NO to Logoism) NEWS UPDATE 1926 Census Campaign As reported in the June 2008 issue of "Ireland's Genealogical Gazette" the Society's long-running campaign to have the 1926 Census of Ireland released was based on the production of a Draft Bill. The Society is pleased to announce that the Statistics (Heritage Amendment) Bill, 2008 will be published in the autumn by Senator Labhrás Ó Murchú seeking to amend Section 35 of the Statistics Act, 1993 to remove the 1926 census from the scope of the Act and thereby permitting it to be released to the public at the National Archives in Dublin. Amending the current legislation is the only way to achieve the release of the 1926 census before the expiry of the 100 year period of closure as determined by the 1993 Act. Kindest regards, Michael Merrigan General Secretary Genealogical Society of Ireland www.familyhistory.ie

Transcribed from the 4 July 1828 edition of The Newry Commercial Telegraph, by permission of The British Library: Fatal Duel at Liverpool.--On Saturday, a duel took place between C. Creagh, Esq. of Limerick, and William Smith, Esq. of Liverpool, on account of the latter Gentleman saying that the Ladies of Ireland drank to excess (of whiskey); both parties met near Liverpool, and having exchanged shots, Mr. Smith received his antagonist's ball in the abdomen, which we are sorry to announce proved fatal. ======================

Wikipedia is your friends for listing famines etc... 1740-1741 (Great Irish Famine ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Famine_%281740%E2%80%931741%29 1845-1852 (An Gorta Mór) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Hunger 1879 (An Gorta Beag) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Famine_%281879%29

Theresa Green <[email protected]> wrote: : I suppose it depends on your view... I read patriarch as "founder" and : that's how he's mentioned on lots of websites, but I can see why others : wouldn't use that term. I read patriarch as meaning the male head of a multi-generation family. Given that Collins never married or had children, it does not seem to be the most appropriate title. Patriot, yes. Patriarch, no. -dja

Well, don't I feel silly....I belive it says "dont know" "Stacy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Hopefully this link will take you to the DC. I can't make out his mother's > maiden name and hoping that it might look familiar to someone, since I'm > only somewhat familiar with Irish surnames. > > Thanks! > http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#givenName=john;p=1;surname=collins;searchType=standard;placeId=983368;eventPlace=Youngstown%2C%20Mahoning%2C%20Ohio%2C%20United%20States;year=1859 > > "Michael Kenefick" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] >> Hello Stacy, >> >> Did Bridgette die before John? A search for a Bridgette Collins in >> Mahoning, Ohio gives four results. The one that died 12 Jul 1915 could >> be your family? >> >> Both John and Bridgette's DC show an address of 53 East Madison for both >> of the two I found / mentioned. Possibly John remarried after Bridgette >> died and the new wife is May? >> >> That should give you two census records to look for John and Bridgette, >> 1900 and 1910. Any kids? >> >> Look for John and May on the 1920 Census. Any step kids? New kids? >> >> Happy hunting. >> >> Mike in Ohio >> >> Stacy wrote: >>> Immigrated to US in 1882 and according a passenger list, came by >>> himself. His obituary in Youngstown OH (Nov 1923),stated he had a sister >>> "Mrs. Catherine Claire, in Ireland". I've been told he was born in Clare >>> County but haven't been unable to find a source. So I'm not sure if her >>> last name is Claire or if they are refering to Clare county. He was also >>> catholic. >>> >>> A great uncle was a president and active member of the Gaelic Socity in >>> Youngstown and I'm hoping they can also offer additional information. >>> There is a family rumor that John might have changed his last name and >>> apparently there's a person who knows and won't spill, but even that is >>> hearsay. Although, IF the passenger record is him (the only John Collins >>> I've found with that match his age, so far), it was changed before >>> arriving in the US. (which would seem obvious to me) >>> >>> He married Bridget Finnessy in 1887 and I'm still searching for a >>> marriage liscense, to find out where they might have lived before >>> records show them together in OH. I've attached his obituary and have >>> ordered their death certificate, which will take 2-3 weeks. The death >>> records are before they required registration, so I'm not sure if the >>> certificate will be complete or what other information it might provide >>> that I don't already have. In the meantime, if anyone can suggest a next >>> step or something I'm missing, or even greater...a miraculous >>> connection - ha! The holy grail seems always be the NEXT connection >>> ;o)...I'd be grateful. >>> >>> I also came across Funcheon relatives this week. I'll search but if >>> someone want to offer up/narrow down areas of Ireland, I'd also >>> appreciate that...but no worries, I don't expect someone to find all my >>> infomation for me...I'm on a treasure hunt and just trying to sniff out >>> the clues! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Stacy >>> >>> >>> >> >> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** > >

Hopefully this link will take you to the DC. I can't make out his mother's maiden name and hoping that it might look familiar to someone, since I'm only somewhat familiar with Irish surnames. Thanks! http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#givenName=john;p=1;surname=collins;searchType=standard;placeId=983368;eventPlace=Youngstown%2C%20Mahoning%2C%20Ohio%2C%20United%20States;year=1859 "Michael Kenefick" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Hello Stacy, > > Did Bridgette die before John? A search for a Bridgette Collins in > Mahoning, Ohio gives four results. The one that died 12 Jul 1915 could be > your family? > > Both John and Bridgette's DC show an address of 53 East Madison for both > of the two I found / mentioned. Possibly John remarried after Bridgette > died and the new wife is May? > > That should give you two census records to look for John and Bridgette, > 1900 and 1910. Any kids? > > Look for John and May on the 1920 Census. Any step kids? New kids? > > Happy hunting. > > Mike in Ohio > > Stacy wrote: >> Immigrated to US in 1882 and according a passenger list, came by himself. >> His obituary in Youngstown OH (Nov 1923),stated he had a sister "Mrs. >> Catherine Claire, in Ireland". I've been told he was born in Clare County >> but haven't been unable to find a source. So I'm not sure if her last >> name is Claire or if they are refering to Clare county. He was also >> catholic. >> >> A great uncle was a president and active member of the Gaelic Socity in >> Youngstown and I'm hoping they can also offer additional information. >> There is a family rumor that John might have changed his last name and >> apparently there's a person who knows and won't spill, but even that is >> hearsay. Although, IF the passenger record is him (the only John Collins >> I've found with that match his age, so far), it was changed before >> arriving in the US. (which would seem obvious to me) >> >> He married Bridget Finnessy in 1887 and I'm still searching for a >> marriage liscense, to find out where they might have lived before records >> show them together in OH. I've attached his obituary and have ordered >> their death certificate, which will take 2-3 weeks. The death records are >> before they required registration, so I'm not sure if the certificate >> will be complete or what other information it might provide that I don't >> already have. In the meantime, if anyone can suggest a next step or >> something I'm missing, or even greater...a miraculous connection - ha! >> The holy grail seems always be the NEXT connection ;o)...I'd be grateful. >> >> I also came across Funcheon relatives this week. I'll search but if >> someone want to offer up/narrow down areas of Ireland, I'd also >> appreciate that...but no worries, I don't expect someone to find all my >> infomation for me...I'm on a treasure hunt and just trying to sniff out >> the clues! >> >> Thanks, >> Stacy >> >> >> > > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

This database might be of help? http://aad.archives.gov/aad/series-list.jsp?cat=GP44

>>> The periodic famines in Ireland were not caused by the failure of the potato crop, but by an economic system that made it the main part of the Irish diet. <<< During the time of the several "famines", Ireland was producing mass amounts of grain, fruit, vegetables and?meat ... all of which was exported to England or consumed by the wealthy landowners. The Irish who worked the land (they didn't own it) were not permitted to consume what they produced, but were allowed to grow potatoes for themselves (after the other crops were tended). Potatoes were considered "pig" food and so only fit to feed the Irish, who were viewed as animals. I'm not being overly dramatic when I say this ... English politicians were on record voicing this opinion. When the potato blight (phytophthora infestans) struck the potato crop in Ireland, of course the common Irish farmer was hardest hit, since that was his staple. Blight also struck Scotland with similar, although lesser, impact. Clearly the English (mis)governance of Ireland contributed greatly to the misery of the Irish people during these years. Some of my more "incendiary" friends actually refer t! o it not as the "Irish Famine", but as the "Irish Holocaust".

I suppose it depends on your view... I read patriarch as "founder" and that's how he's mentioned on lots of websites, but I can see why others wouldn't use that term. Theresa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis Ahern Sent: 03 July 2008 11:45 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Michael Collins Theresa Green <[email protected]> wrote: : Does anyone have any data or sources of information on the family of the : Irish patriarch Michael Collins please? As I understand it, Michael Collins was no patriarch. -dja ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Celia and thank you for these links... although I've looked myself, these are new to me. Much obliged and everyone, I'm happy to return the favour should any of you be looking for information from the Sheffield (south Yorkshire) region, I'd be happy to help. Best regards -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of cecilia Sent: 03 July 2008 10:11 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Michael Collins "Theresa Green" wrote: >Does anyone have any data or sources of information on the family of the >Irish patriarch Michael Collins please? Using a search engine - worked example . http://www.google.com Search on Michael Collins family to see links to a number of articles giving his year of birth as 1890 and his position as 3rd son in a sibship of eight. Searching again on Michael Collins 1890 brothers to see links to (among others) http://www.generalmichaelcollins.com/pages/growing_up.html which gives a fair amount of family information. I have no idea whether it is correct. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Theresa Green <[email protected]> wrote: : Does anyone have any data or sources of information on the family of the : Irish patriarch Michael Collins please? As I understand it, Michael Collins was no patriarch. -dja