conaught2 wrote: > Dear Pat, > > Go raibh maith agat for all that you and your volunteers are doing. It > is a massive undertaking and it is greatly appreciated. don't forget Irish Marriage Indexes 1845-1868 is being done by familysearch http://www.familysearch.org/eng/indexing/frameset_indexing.asp see also http://labs.familysearch.org/ and http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp Hugh W

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:53:49 GMT, "Christopher Coburn" <[email protected]> wrote: >[...] >GRIFFITH'S VALUATION, the most detailed guide to people and property in >mid-19th century Ireland, has gone online for free for the first time. >[...] >The version available on the askaboutireland.ie website is searchable by >family name and place name; [...] >Look for the link on the page below to Griffiths Valuation. >http://www.askaboutireland.ie/show_homepage.do The search-by-name page is at http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_form.php Beware putting in first names - abbreviations are not translated. My ancestor was findable if I merely put in family name and location, but not if I put anything in the given names field except for WM.L.

Transcribed from the 22 July 1828 edition of The Newry Commercial Telegraph newspaper, by permission of The British Library: A duel took place on Saturday evening last, on an island near the town of Newport, between Richard O'Donel and J. Stewart, Esqrs., the former attended by Lieut. Hyland, of the R.N., and the latter by Lieut. O'Hallaron, of the 69th Regt. After an exchange of shots without effect, the parties were again handed their pistols, when Mr. Stewart fired a second time, we are happy to say, without effect. Mr. O'Donel, who reserved his shot, then discharged his pistol into the sea, whereon the matter terminated. The above meeting took place, as we have been informed, in consequence of the strenuous exertions of Mr. Richard O'Donel, to prevent such demonstrations of public feeling as might, and probably would, lead to the excitement of party spirit.--Evening Post. ==========================

Just noticed this. http://www.irishtimes.com:80/newspaper/ireland/2008/0722/1216627319968.html Property valuation of 19th century Ireland free online PAUL CULLEN GRIFFITH'S VALUATION, the most detailed guide to people and property in mid-19th century Ireland, has gone online for free for the first time. One of the most important surviving genealogical sources from the era after the Famine, the valuation is likely to be of use to family history researchers in Ireland and throughout the world. The version available on the askaboutireland.ie website is searchable by family name and place name; copies of the original document can be printed off; and the website also includes maps from the mid-19th century and contemporary maps from Google Earth. The document has been available on a number of Irish and US websites for a number of years, but information could only be accessed on payment of a fee. Over the past year, however, the Library Council of Ireland has spent €230,000 on digitising its copy of the document and making it available online. The work was also undertaken to ensure the document remained in the public domain. "We're committed to retaining and enhancing public access to important source documents such as Griffith's, and ensuring they do not go back to private copyright," said Annette Kelly, assistant director of the Library Council. Griffith's Valuation was the first full-scale valuation of property in Ireland. The work was overseen by Richard Griffith, a Dublin geologist, and published between 1847 and 1864. It delivered the information necessary for local taxation by providing a uniform valuation of all property in Ireland based on the productive capacity of land and the potential rent of buildings. The document lists every landholder and householder in the 32 counties, and is arranged by county, barony, poor law union, civil parish and townland. The valuation was never intended as a substitute for the census, and has limited significance for genealogists. However, because of the subsequent destruction of so many other source documents, including the 1851 census, it remains the only detailed guide to where in Ireland people lived in the mid-19th century. Census returns from 1821-51 were destroyed in the Public Records Office then located in the Four Courts in Dublin during fighting in the Civil War in 1922. The Library Council plans further enhancements to the site in the autumn, including searchable maps and layers of information showing the population changes in an area over time. ... Griffith's Valuation is available to view at askaboutireland.ie Passing it along to those who might use the site to find ancestors in the 1850s in Ireland. Look for the link on the page below to Griffiths Valuation. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/show_homepage.do

Dear Pat, Go raibh maith agat for all that you and your volunteers are doing. It is a massive undertaking and it is greatly appreciated. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread)

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:19:07 +0100, "Don Moody" <[email protected]> wrote: >[...] There is a >gap of 8 years in one parish's records. Not pages torn out. On one >page their is one entry which is 8 years before the next entry. [...] Which 8 years? <curious>

See: http://indigo.ie/~donances/ Donegal Family Heritage Centre computerizing parish records Provides search service for a fee http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/ulster/index_do.htm Donegal sources for genealogy http://www.mindspring.com/~dickod/donegal/index.htm County Donegal GenWeb http://www.50megs.com/genealogy/don.html Donegal Genealogy Links http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/ Donegal Genealogy Resources http://www.ancestryireland.co.uk/index.php?filename=map_donegal Civil Parishes of County Donegal http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bhilchey/DonegalMain.html Civil Parishes and Townlands of County Donegal http://www.inishowenheritage.com Inishowen Heritage

"Don Moody" <[email protected]> beitelde in het scherm news:[email protected] : > And exactly how does that non-contribution help the OP (or anybody > else in like state) 'enjoy his addiction' when he patently and > obviously has no clue as to how to set about enjoying it? It helps him to cope with a grumpy guy who has no respect for newbies! Did you know everything at once when you started at the internet? Did you know everything at once when you started at Usenet? Did you know everything at once when you started when you started with genealogy? Realize that it has to be learned! Respect newbies as you respect others here in the group. Your grumpy manners are offensive and will chase away fellow-researchers who might be a usefull addition to this group! -- Eddy Landzaat ================================================================ Voor vakantietips in county Clare, Ierland: http://www.holidayinclare.ie Persoonlijke website: http://www.landzaat.info Weblog: http://desprong.blogspot.com ================================================================

Gerardus wrote: > I am researching the surname of Peoples, who came to America in the > 1800s. Does the County of Donegal have good records and can a person > order copies on line? I would like your opinions. > Thank You. please ignore Don - having a bad day - very ill normally he is very knowledgeable google irish genealogy not an enormous amount on line http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/ http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/DON/index.html http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp is just updated Ireland 1901/1911 Census Worksheet [Description] [PDF] 31844 Ireland Country/City Maps Register [Description] [PDF] Ireland Householders Index [Description] Ireland Map [Description] Ireland Research Outline [Description] 34717 Ireland, Historical Background [Description] [PDF] Ireland, How to Find a Place Name [Description] [PDF] Ireland, How to Find Compiled Sources [Description] [PDF] Ireland, How To Find Information About the Place Where Your Ancestor Lived [Description] [PDF] Ireland, How to Find Maps [Description] [PDF] http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/RG/frameset_rhelps.asp?Page=./research/Titlei/Titlei.asp&ActiveTab=Title enjoy Hugh W

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Gerardus <[email protected]> beitelde in het scherm news:ddba116b-fa03- [email protected] : > I am researching the surname of Peoples, who came to America in the > 1800s. Does the County of Donegal have good records and can a person > order copies on line? I would like your opinions. > Thank You. > Forget Don Bad Moody and enjoy your addiction... -- Eddy Landzaat ================================================================ Voor vakantietips in county Clare, Ierland: http://www.holidayinclare.ie Persoonlijke website: http://www.landzaat.info Weblog: http://desprong.blogspot.com ================================================================

The Ireland GenWeb Project now has the 1864 Ireland Birth Index online through the letter K. The Ls are almost completed and we are currently working on the Ms. You can check out the index on the IGW Project homepage at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

You're correct ... a search of the Church of Ireland (COI) website reveals that Waterford has four churches, namely Christ Church Cathedral, St Andrews in Dunmore East, Christ Church in Tramore, and St John the Baptist in Annestown. Waterford is part of the United Diocese of Cashel & Ossory, which includes cathedrals in Ferns, Lismore, Cashel, Kilkenny and Leighlin. The Waterford cathedral group is by far the smallest. The link http://synod.ireland.anglican.org/2000/reports/rtf/RB%20-%20App%20A%20(Library)%202000.rtf?takes you to a report in 2000 listing archived parish records, which included "Waterford-St Patrick: regs, vestry bks, reg of vestrymen, accounts, preachers' bks, banns, 1721-1966" ... so it appears there was a St Patricks in Waterford up until 1966. The link www.nationalarchives.ie/PDF/CofIMicrofilms.pdf?is a list of microfilmed parish registers in the natl archives, which includes films MFCI 10 & MFCI 12 (St Patrick - Waterford) If St Patricks-Waterford was de-commissioned or merged into another parish, you should contact the diocesan office for more information. Brad Wilson

I am researching the surname of Peoples, who came to America in the 1800s. Does the County of Donegal have good records and can a person order copies on line? I would like your opinions. Thank You.

I have a marriage certificate for ancestors Francis Fitzmaurice & Alice Gilbert stating they were married in 1893 at "St Patricks Church in parish of St Patricks in city of Waterford, Ireland" and that they were married "according to rites and ceremonies of the church of Ireland, by licence by me, Henry Line, Rector". My problem is that when I try to find more information on this church, I come up only with this one: http://www.waterford-cathedral.com/st-patricks.html which appears to be Catholic not Church of Ireland. Does anyone know of any Church of Ireland church called St Patricks in Waterford? Or is it possible to be married in a Catholic church according to the rites of the Church of Ireland? Kerry

HBH 1896 Feb 18 2 England Cable News Per Press Association-LONDON-February 16 The Australasian Gold Trust, with a capital of half a million, has been registered. Half of the capital will be issued to the public. Tallow, medium mutton 21s 3d, beef 19s 9d. The English wheat market is dull and the American and Continental are changing a little for the worse. Mr HEALY urges Mr SEXTON to accept the chairmanship of the Irish Part, and promises to support him or retire. Mr FLOWER has accepted a mortgage over the MOKAU estate, and the litigation with Mr "Mokau" Jones has ended.

Transcribed from the 18 July 1828 edition of The Newry Commercial Telegraph newspaper, by permission of The British Library: A Military Movement.--A certain half-pay Captain, well known in the sporting world, has lately undertaken, for a wager, to play on the great Highland bagpipe and travel on foot, within a limited period, through the principle [sic] towns, and cities in Ireland. The conditions have been agreed to, and the preliminaries signed, that, instead of a cap and feathers, his head is to be hid under a broad blue Kilmarnock, with a ribbon attached behind. The stock is to be replaced by a common cotton neckcloth; his fine Holland shirt with one made of striped cotton, and for regimentals he is to wear a sober suit of Hodden-grey. His accoutrements are only to consist of a dirk, with the necessary appendages of knife, fork, and spoon; and he is permitted to wear a pair of green spectacles in order that he may minutely reconnoitre the enemy, and at the same time escape detection; but he is neither to have a pioneer to clear the road, purveyor to forage, nor any officer belonging to the commissariat department to supply him with ammunition, necessaries, or rations; but to forage solely for himself. He may beg, but is by no means allowed to borrow or steal. The sum staked on this important campaign is, we understand, £5,000, besides several sums which are pending on the result. He took the rout [sic] last week for the sister isle, in one of the steam-boats, from the Broomielaw.--Glasgow Free Press. ======================== Transcriber's note: This individual was probably Captain Robert Barclay Allardice. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2807657.stm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Barclay_Allardice and also, pp 236ff of the October, 1812 edition of "The Sporting Magazine", and other similar resources available online through Google Books.

>From The Cork Examiner, 30 May 1865 - A SCANDAL AT MHOW.--In the Hurkaru of the 1st instant we casually mentioned that a short time ago, an officer in the 15th Native Infantry, stationed at Mhow, had been suspended, and that a court of inquiry had been convened to inquire into the charge preferred against him. The result has been that a general courtmartial will shortly assemble for his trial. He stands charged with having falsely accused his commanding officer, Lieutenant Colonel Stanley, of having ridden down and wounded a sepoy of his regiment. Colonel Stanley denies the fact, which his subordinate officer has undertaken to prove by several witnesses. A man, said to have been cut down, was admitted into hospital suffering from a sword wound received during a brigade parade. Of that there is no question. By whom and how the wound was caused remains to be proved.--Bengal Hurkaru. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

>>> Some years ago, we most often saw..."in the hollow of " rather than "palm of". What created this change? <<< Just another case of different languages having different meanings for similar words. Looking up "hollow" in my English-Irish dictionary, the third sense of hollow (after the adjective and the adverb) is the noun. The first Irish word given is "croi (na boise)" ... croi is best known as "heart", but also "center" ... and it's interesting that the example given, croi na boise, means "the hollow of the palm", ie the deepest center of the cupped palm. I suspect that "hollow" fell into disuse as a noun (except in Southern-speak "holler") and was replaced with "palm". Brad Wilson

Brad: Thank you. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: Re: An Irish Blessing > >>>> > Some years ago, we most often saw..."in the hollow of " rather than "palm > of". What created this change? > <<< > > Just another case of different languages having different meanings for > similar words. Looking up "hollow" in my English-Irish dictionary, the > third sense of hollow (after the adjective and the adverb) is the noun. > The first Irish word given is "croi (na boise)" ... croi is best known as > "heart", but also "center" ... and it's interesting that the example > given, croi na boise, means "the hollow of the palm", ie the deepest > center of the cupped palm. I suspect that "hollow" fell into disuse as a > noun (except in Southern-speak "holler") and was replaced with "palm". > > Brad Wilson > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >