> The very fact that she posted the request here shows that she had > internet access, so no need for any "excess baggage charges." With > considerably less typing than required to post that query here, she > could have directly searched Google with just the words "Roscommon" > and "Griffith's valuation" and had her answer right away. Of course > she did not, preferring that some willing gophers here should do the > work for here. Pure idle laziness. So, why not put it more pleasantly ... Using Google search with the keywords "Roscommon Griffith's valuation", I found this Web site: [insert URL] where a search of [whatever] revealed [whatever] That would have helped to educate the OP and other readers and been a "helpful" contribution. Kerry

"The Chief" <[email protected]> wrote in message On Aug 8, 2:22 am, "FarmI" <[email protected] be given> wrote: >> "The Chief" <[email protected]> wrote in message >> > I presume you are a copyright holder for this material, or have >> > permission to post this? >> >> Could you just pull your head in and keep quiet. >> >> If he's the 'Pat Traynor' I suspect he is, (snip) > I sincerely hope that Mr. Traynor is the wonderfull fellow you seem to > believe he his. I used the word "suspect". That does not equal belief. > However, posting large sections of someone else's work > without permission hardly enhances anyones "stature". At best it is > very bad form, and more probably simply illegal. Which is of course is merely contrasted to your own "bad form" of being a miserable belly acher because someone has tried to help someone else.

"The Chief" <[email protected]> wrote in message > I presume you are a copyright holder for this material, or have > permission to post this? Could you just pull your head in and keep quiet. If he's the 'Pat Traynor' I suspect he is, then we are honoured to have someone of his stature posting here. I've heard of a 'Pat Traynor' in glowing terms because of his prodigious knowledge of Irish genealogy and since I live on the other side of the world and his reputation has spread this far, then I'd rather hear from him than from someone I've never heard of called "The Chief".

>From The Cork Examiner, 30 December 1878 - THE BRIDEWELL.--There were about thirty persons in the bridewell last night. The charge in the majority of the cases being drunkenness. One old woman was charged with stealing porter from a publick house in Duncan-street. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

"The Chief" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]... On Aug 7, 2:43 am, "Tony Proctor" <[email protected]_NoMoreSPAM_.com> wrote: > "The Chief" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:[email protected]m... > On Jul 29, 3:04 am, "Ron O'Brien" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> "l faris" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > >>news:[email protected] > >> Hello > >> Whenever I read about Griffiths I see a very wide date range in which > >> the > >> data was collected (1848-1864). > > >> Is there anywhere online a reference that can tell me more specifically > >> when > >> the valuation was done in a particular area? Some were done first and > >> some > >> last - It would be helpful to know when the Mayo valuations were done > >> as > >> compared to when the Roscomon ones were done. > > >> I have a Griffiths map of a Roscommon townland, the map is dated, so > >> presumably that indicates when the data was collected > > >> Ron > > >Have you ever heard of books? You might care to look in some. > >Alternatively, you might also care to do some very simple internet > >searches. > > >Math. 7:7; Luke 11:9-10 > > >Regards, > > The Chief > > That's a bit uncalled for. By the same token we don't need any "online > references" and we can lookup everything in books, including the > valuations > themselves > > Tony Proctor Not in the least uncalled for. Consider: entering just the terms "Roscommon" and "Griffith's valuation" in Google leads straight to multiple web sites with the desired answer, and there are entire web pages devoted just to GV for Roscommon! In addition, anyone interested in Irish family history research should either own or at least borrow some of the standard reference works, where this information is easily found. I see no need to mollycoddle the latest lazy, idle bugger to come along and want me to do his research for him, as some others seem pleased to do. Regards, The Chief ------------------- But he didn't ask you to do any research for him. He merely asked if there was an online reference somewhere. I travel a lot with both work and my research. If I took all my books with me, the airlines would have a field day with "excess baggage" charges (not mentioning any airline in particular of course) :-) Tony Proctor

Transcribed from the 15 August 1828 edition of The Newry Commercial Telegraph newspaper, by permission of The British Library: London Police. Town Hall, Aug. 8.--Wilkinson, the watch-house keeper of St. Saviour's, brought in a fine intelligent little fellow, twelve years of age, whom he said he found stretched at a length upon a bulk in St. Saviour's church-yard, between twelve and one last night. On questioning him, he said he came from Coventry, where he had an uncle living, but, suspecting, from his confusion, he was not telling the truth, he searched him, and found in his pockets two notes of the Belfast Bank, one for 20s., the other for 30s., a fire-box and candles, a new Catholic prayer-book, and 4s. 6d. in silver. He then confessed having run away from his parents, who lived in Barrack- street, Belfast, where his father was a master [t]anner, named Patrick O'Neil, and that previous to leaving he helped himself to the notes found, besides another for 20s. which he changed on arriving at Liverpool by the Britannia steam packet, to pay 2s. 6d. for his passage, and support himself on his journey to London, which he performed on foot. The prayer-book he also bought with part of the money, and the 4s. 6d. was the residue. "And what induced you to do all this?" said the Magistrate. "Had your parents treated you unkindly?" "Oh, no! indeed no!" answered the boy, sobbing, "they loved me dearly." Magistrate--"Then why were you so wicked as to leave them?" The Boy--"I heard so many fine things said of London, I couldn't help coming to see it." The Magistrate sent him to the Borough Compter, to be kept in the Governor's house till his father could be made acquainted with his situation, to whom the clerk was directed to write immediately. =====================

Does anyone know if there was there anything similar done before 1848? I'm interested in Cork and Dublin information, but by 1848 my people had moved from Ireland. Cheers all. Theresa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony Proctor Sent: 07 August 2008 10:44 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: FREE Griffiths Valuation - Dates? "The Chief" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]m.. . On Jul 29, 3:04 am, "Ron O'Brien" <[email protected]> wrote: >> "l faris" <[email protected]> wrote in message >> >> news:[email protected] >> Hello >> Whenever I read about Griffiths I see a very wide date range in which the >> data was collected (1848-1864). >> >> Is there anywhere online a reference that can tell me more specifically >> when >> the valuation was done in a particular area? Some were done first and >> some >> last - It would be helpful to know when the Mayo valuations were done as >> compared to when the Roscomon ones were done. >> >> I have a Griffiths map of a Roscommon townland, the map is dated, so >> presumably that indicates when the data was collected >> >> Ron > > >Have you ever heard of books? You might care to look in some. >Alternatively, you might also care to do some very simple internet >searches. > >Math. 7:7; Luke 11:9-10 > >Regards, > The Chief That's a bit uncalled for. By the same token we don't need any "online references" and we can lookup everything in books, including the valuations themselves Tony Proctor ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.glass-ts.com/PDFs/GTS_Terms_Conditions.pdf Click below if you wish to pay either company: http://www.britglass.org.uk/payment.php http://www.glass-ts.com/payment/payment.php P please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. http://www.britglass.org.uk/BritishGlass/British_Glass_Environmental_Policy_Statement_-_Mar_08.pdf http://www.glass-ts.com/PDFs/GTS_Environmental_Policy_Statement_-_Mar_08.pdf (Click to view policies) This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this message, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company.

"The Chief" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]m... On Jul 29, 3:04 am, "Ron O'Brien" <[email protected]> wrote: >> "l faris" <[email protected]> wrote in message >> >> news:[email protected] >> Hello >> Whenever I read about Griffiths I see a very wide date range in which the >> data was collected (1848-1864). >> >> Is there anywhere online a reference that can tell me more specifically >> when >> the valuation was done in a particular area? Some were done first and >> some >> last - It would be helpful to know when the Mayo valuations were done as >> compared to when the Roscomon ones were done. >> >> I have a Griffiths map of a Roscommon townland, the map is dated, so >> presumably that indicates when the data was collected >> >> Ron > > >Have you ever heard of books? You might care to look in some. >Alternatively, you might also care to do some very simple internet >searches. > >Math. 7:7; Luke 11:9-10 > >Regards, > The Chief That's a bit uncalled for. By the same token we don't need any "online references" and we can lookup everything in books, including the valuations themselves Tony Proctor

In answer to question of exactly what years the Valuations were done in each County, here's some info from my files; INDEX of SURNAMES of HOUSEHOLDERS ================================= Richard J.Hayes, Edward Keane; National Library of Ireland. [Typescript lists of surnames of householders and occupiers of land and buildings in Ireland in the 19th Century; as recorded in the Tithe Applotment Books or TABs, and in the Griffith Valuation. They are available in the National Library and the National Archives. The Griffith fiche indexes A-IH and AJM are alphabetical full name indexes to the Griffith Valuation records only, and do not include entries in the TABs; some are available in the National Archives]. These 35 volumes are very often the first port of call when researching an Irish surname of whatever original ancestry. If the family were farmers or town house occupiers then there is a reasonable chance of the head of the family being listed in one of these two sources, as indicated by an entry or entries in the surnames indexes. The volumes are arranged in sections, the most important being the main primary index which lists all surnames by barony, with an indication of the number of households in the Griffith Valuation, and whether or not a name appears in the TABs. Then there are a series of Parish indexes for each barony. For example, if all you know is that your ancestor was a Daniel Dempsey married to a Margaret Sinnott and they came from Co.Cork about 1850, then there are three volumes to be searched. The name Dempsey is found in each volume - widely scattered throughout the county; a total of 98 occupiers of the name in the Griffith Valuation of 1850-3. There are variant spellings of the surname, e.g. Dempsay and Dempsy. However, there is one single entry for the name Sinnott, in the civil parish of Kilworth, in the Barony of Condons & Clangibbon, in the volume for Cork East. This illustrates very nicely the usefulness of this resource. The next stage of research is to concentrate on the records relating to the parish to try and find Daniel and Margaret and their forebears! Consulting the Griffith Valuation, the name Patrick Sinnott is found and it is reasonable to assume (as a working hypothesis) that he must be the father or brother of Margaret! Of course, proving this is another matter, but anyone who has done any genealogical research will immediately recognise that even this amount of information is of great value. Naturally, there are limits. For example, in the case of the Cork volumes, it would be fruitless to even try and use them to find a McCarthy/Murphy alliance. The best that could be obtained from the exercise would be to quantify the problem numerically (there are 2,758 entries for the name McCarthy and variant spellings!) - but in such a case, the basic problem is that the couple could have come from any part of the county so that other resources must be tapped to try and find them. ============================================================== --------------------- END PAGE 8 OF 10 ------------------------- ============================================================== County Published Griffith TABs Notes ------ --------- -------- ---- ----- Antrim 1970 1861-62 1824-35 (A-IH fiche) Armagh 1967 1864 1825-35 Belfast City n/a 1861-62 cf.Antrim (A-IH fiche) Carlow 1960 1852-53 1821-37 (A-IH fiche) Cavan 1965 1856-57 1824-45 Clare 1964 1855 1814-43 Cork SW 1963 1850-52 1824-35 (A-IH fiche) Cork E 1963 1851-53 1824-34 (A-IH fiche) Cork NW 1963 1851-52 1825-34 (A-IH fiche) Derry 1969 1858-59 1825-35 (aka Londonderry) Donegal 1967 1857-58 1825-41 Down 1968 1863-64 1823-41 (A-IH fiche) Dublin Co. 1967 1848-52 1821-46 Dublin City n/a 1854 cf.Co. (A-IH fiche) Fermanagh 1968 1862 1824-35 (A-IH fiche) Galway 1964 1855 1824-50 Kerry 1963 1852 1823-40 Kildare 1961 1851 1824-42 Kilkenny 1961 1849-50 1823-40 Laois 1961 1850-51 1821-43 (aka Leix,Queen's) Leitrim 1965 1856 1829-35 Limerick 1963 1850-52 1822-35 (A-IH fiche) Longford 1966 1854 1823-35 (A-IH fiche) Louth 1966 1854 1823-36 Mayo 1964 1851-57 1815-42 (AJM fiche) Meath 1966 1854 1823-37 Monaghan 1966 1858-61 1823-34 (A-IH fiche) Offaly 1961 1853-54 1823-36 (aka King's) Roscommon 1965 1852-58 1824-53 Sligo 1965 1858 1824-36 Tipperary SR 1962 1850-1 1809-46 (A-IH fiche) Tipperary NR 1962 1848-52 1815-34 (A-IH fiche) Tyrone 1968 1858-62 1815-34 Waterford 1962 1848-51 1820-34 (A-IH fiche) Westmeath 1966 1854 1803-62 Wexford 1960 1853 1823-37 Wicklow 1960 1852-4 1822-38 (AJM fiche) NOTES: ===== The NLI Indexes do not include Dublin City or Belfast City. There are alternative directories available in both cases; but these would not include the same range of occupier names as Griffith. Although the range of dates extends over the period 1848-64, most Griffith Valuations date to the 1850s; and they cover roughly 70-80 per cent of the occupiers of property in Ireland. The published valuation records are available on paper and in microfiche format. The dates of the Tithe Applotment Books or TABs depend on the parishes. The range of dates extends over the period 1803-62. However, most of them date to the 1820s and 1830s. ============================================================== --------------------- END PAGE 9 OF 10 ------------------------- ============================================================== For some parishes more than one TAB is available, or there are none available, or they are undated, or list large landholders only, or only give names for some townlands, or only list townland names and not the occupiers, or are torn and difficult to read, or only part of the parish was titheable, or the surviving book(s) cover only part of the parish. Nevertheless, they are overall a very important census substitute covering most of Ireland before the Great Famine. Once a particular family has been found in the Griffith records, the transfer of ownership of the property can be traced in the Valuation Office records in Dublin. This office has a set of 'cancelled books' which show how property was transferred from one owner to the next from the 1850s to the present day. However, this can be a relatively expensive exercise, and it is often more cost effective (and more enjoyable!) to simply visit the area and ask the local inhabitants!

Ron, I am researching "Daly" from County Roscommon. I see where you have a Griffiths map of Roscommon. Can you please tell me how I can get a copy of that map? Thanking you in advance. Ethel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron O'Brien" <[email protected]> > I have a Griffiths map of a Roscommon townland, the map is dated, so > presumably that indicates when the data was collected > > Ron -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 8568 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Tony and others, > > i have printed directly with no problems. I use Mac and > Safari browser. Are you trying to print text or images of > maps? > > Here are a couple of things to try. Select all and block > copy to a new document you save on your machine. > > OR use your browser print command, as opposed to the print > button on the screen. Something will work for you I know. > > Michael DANAHY > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/d/a/n/Michael-C-Danahy/index.html > RESEARCHING IN MA (Hopkinton), IRE, ENG > ALDRICH > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~aldrichnaa/ > (one m SMITH, earlier ones m CASAVANT, COMEE, > > http://www.familyorigins.com/users/e/v/a/Jeanne-C-Evans > LOVELL, PRAY, PRENTICE, RAWSON, SEALD, THAYER); > http://members.xoom.com/jaldrich/Lines/Michael.htm > Aldrich Family biographies, go to > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssociation/AldrichBios > or go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aldrich/ > CASAVANT (who m MORAN); > CURRAN (who m DANAHY) > DANAHY (b. in Hopkinton and who m LENAN, siblings m. > TOLAN, > JOHNSON, O'CONNOR) > LENAN (who m O"BRIEN); > SMITH (who m CASEY); > PRENTICE (who m ALDRICH) > http://www.prenticenet.com/roots/prentice/robert/#R4 > RAWSON (one m ALLEN, later one TORREY) > http://www.rawsonfamilyassoc.org/ > THAYER (Thomas m WHEELER, son Ferdinando m > HAYWARD); > http://members.aol.com/Sadie476/Thayer.html OK, something's changed. The Print button now operates. However, the right-hand side of the page gets cropped, plus it tries to print an extra leading blank page. I have to save it disk and then print it myself using a different tool. A bit convoluted but it works Tony Proctor

<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Tony and others, > > i have printed directly with no problems. I use Mac and > Safari browser. Are you trying to print text or images of > maps? > > Here are a couple of things to try. Select all and block > copy to a new document you save on your machine. > > OR use your browser print command, as opposed to the print > button on the screen. Something will work for you I know. > > Michael DANAHY > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/d/a/n/Michael-C-Danahy/index.html > RESEARCHING IN MA (Hopkinton), IRE, ENG > ALDRICH > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~aldrichnaa/ > (one m SMITH, earlier ones m CASAVANT, COMEE, > > http://www.familyorigins.com/users/e/v/a/Jeanne-C-Evans > LOVELL, PRAY, PRENTICE, RAWSON, SEALD, THAYER); > http://members.xoom.com/jaldrich/Lines/Michael.htm > Aldrich Family biographies, go to > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssociation/AldrichBios > or go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aldrich/ > CASAVANT (who m MORAN); > CURRAN (who m DANAHY) > DANAHY (b. in Hopkinton and who m LENAN, siblings m. > TOLAN, > JOHNSON, O'CONNOR) > LENAN (who m O"BRIEN); > SMITH (who m CASEY); > PRENTICE (who m ALDRICH) > http://www.prenticenet.com/roots/prentice/robert/#R4 > RAWSON (one m ALLEN, later one TORREY) > http://www.rawsonfamilyassoc.org/ > THAYER (Thomas m WHEELER, son Ferdinando m > HAYWARD); > http://members.aol.com/Sadie476/Thayer.html I tried to print the images of the valuations but I get a divide-by-zero error in the script code handling the print operation. If I right-click on the image and select Print then it works but I merely get the cropped visible version rather than the full image (resizing never gives me a full picture of the image) I'm using IE 6 Tony Proctor

A Chairde, The August 2008 issue of "Ireland's Genealogical Gazette" the monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland has been uploaded to the Society’s website and can be accessed by clicking on the link below: http://www.familyhistory.ie/docs/genie/Ireland%27s%20Genealogical%20Gazette%20-%20August2008%20PDF.pdf The file is in pdf format, however, if you cannot read the Gazette in that format, it is also accessible via the Society's website www.familyhistory.ie Featured in this issue: + An Gorta Mór - Annual Commemoration of the Great Famine + 1926 Census Campaign + Ulster-Scots Writing - An Anthology (review) + G & B Records Now in NY Public Library + A True Ranger - The Life and Many Wars of Major Robert Rogers + James Scannell Reports.. ++ WWI Soldiers Honoured ++ Dairine Vanston ++ Andrew McMaster + Seeking Joseph Read + Précis of the July Lecture + GSI Lecture Programme + Membership of the Genealogical Society + Diary Dates + Queries + Access to Genealogical Records On-Line + An Daonchartlann Kindest regards, Michael Merrigan, FGSI General Secretary Genealogical Society of Ireland www.familyhistory.ie

"Christopher Coburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Just noticed this. > > http://www.irishtimes.com:80/newspaper/ireland/2008/0722/1216627319968.html > > > Property valuation of 19th century Ireland free online > PAUL CULLEN > GRIFFITH'S VALUATION, the most detailed guide to people and property in > mid-19th century Ireland, has gone online for free for the first time. > > One of the most important surviving genealogical sources from the era > after the Famine, the valuation is likely to be of use to family history > researchers in Ireland and throughout the world. > > The version available on the askaboutireland.ie website is searchable by > family name and place name; copies of the original document can be printed > off; and the website also includes maps from the mid-19th century and > contemporary maps from Google Earth. > > The document has been available on a number of Irish and US websites for a > number of years, but information could only be accessed on payment of a > fee. > > Over the past year, however, the Library Council of Ireland has spent > ?230,000 on digitising its copy of the document and making it available > online. The work was also undertaken to ensure the document remained in > the public domain. > > "We're committed to retaining and enhancing public access to important > source documents such as Griffith's, and ensuring they do not go back to > private copyright," said Annette Kelly, assistant director of the Library > Council. > > Griffith's Valuation was the first full-scale valuation of property in > Ireland. > > The work was overseen by Richard Griffith, a Dublin geologist, and > published between 1847 and 1864. > > It delivered the information necessary for local taxation by providing a > uniform valuation of all property in Ireland based on the productive > capacity of land and the potential rent of buildings. > > The document lists every landholder and householder in the 32 counties, > and is arranged by county, barony, poor law union, civil parish and > townland. > > The valuation was never intended as a substitute for the census, and has > limited significance for genealogists. > > However, because of the subsequent destruction of so many other source > documents, including the 1851 census, it remains the only detailed guide > to where in Ireland people lived in the mid-19th century. > > Census returns from 1821-51 were destroyed in the Public Records Office > then located in the Four Courts in Dublin during fighting in the Civil War > in 1922. > > The Library Council plans further enhancements to the site in the autumn, > including searchable maps and layers of information showing the population > changes in an area over time. > > ... > > Griffith's Valuation is available to view at askaboutireland.ie > > > > > Passing it along to those who might use the site to find ancestors in the > 1850s in Ireland. > Look for the link on the page below to Griffiths Valuation. > http://www.askaboutireland.ie/show_homepage.do > > Has anyone got the Print button to work when looking at the valuation images? I get an error and can then no longer even view that image Tony Proctor

Hi Dennis, Is there anything like this on-line for Dublin? I don't know where my family was before that but I know that by the 1850s they were in South Dublin City. Sue -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis Ahern Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Excerpts from Irish newspapers >From The Cork Examiner, 16 October 1861 - MELANCHOLY LOSS OF LIFE.--We regret to have to announce an accidental loss of life at Maryfort, in this county, under rather painful circumstances. Captain John O'Callaghan, of Maryfort, near Tulla, having had his potatoes stolen from a pit in a field, was determined to capture the thieves ; and on the night of the 9th inst., sent two of his workmen, named William Callaghan and William Holmes, to watch for a part of the night, intending other persons to go to their assistance at a later hour. About ten o'clock of the same night, his brother Mr. Donatious O'Callaghan, and a servant man (who were not aware that the two mentioned men were watching) proceeded in the same direction--and on reaching the place they heard a noise in the thicket or wood. Believing the thieves to be present, Mr. O'Callaghan inconsiderately discharged his gun in that direction, and William Callaghan and William Holmes happening to be the individuals moving through the trees, the latter was shot dead, the contents of the gun having entered his head. Deceased was a faithful and trusty servant. An inquest held on his body by Mr. Canny, coroner, on the 10th inst., and a verdict in accordance with the above facts was returned. The coroner held Mr. D. O'Callaghan to bail in the sum of £100 to appear when called upon, Captain Charles George O'Callaghan, of Ballinahinch, and Captain John O'Callaghan, of Maryfort, being his bailsmen.--Clare Freeman. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From The Cork Examiner, 16 October 1861 - MELANCHOLY LOSS OF LIFE.--We regret to have to announce an accidental loss of life at Maryfort, in this county, under rather painful circumstances. Captain John O'Callaghan, of Maryfort, near Tulla, having had his potatoes stolen from a pit in a field, was determined to capture the thieves ; and on the night of the 9th inst., sent two of his workmen, named William Callaghan and William Holmes, to watch for a part of the night, intending other persons to go to their assistance at a later hour. About ten o'clock of the same night, his brother Mr. Donatious O'Callaghan, and a servant man (who were not aware that the two mentioned men were watching) proceeded in the same direction--and on reaching the place they heard a noise in the thicket or wood. Believing the thieves to be present, Mr. O'Callaghan inconsiderately discharged his gun in that direction, and William Callaghan and William Holmes happening to be the individuals moving through the trees, the latter was shot dead, the contents of the gun having entered his head. Deceased was a faithful and trusty servant. An inquest held on his body by Mr. Canny, coroner, on the 10th inst., and a verdict in accordance with the above facts was returned. The coroner held Mr. D. O'Callaghan to bail in the sum of £100 to appear when called upon, Captain Charles George O'Callaghan, of Ballinahinch, and Captain John O'Callaghan, of Maryfort, being his bailsmen.--Clare Freeman. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Tony and others, i have printed directly with no problems. I use Mac and Safari browser. Are you trying to print text or images of maps? Here are a couple of things to try. Select all and block copy to a new document you save on your machine. OR use your browser print command, as opposed to the print button on the screen. Something will work for you I know. Michael DANAHY http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/d/a/n/Michael-C-Danahy/index.html RESEARCHING IN MA (Hopkinton), IRE, ENG ALDRICH http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~aldrichnaa/ (one m SMITH, earlier ones m CASAVANT, COMEE, http://www.familyorigins.com/users/e/v/a/Jeanne-C-Evans LOVELL, PRAY, PRENTICE, RAWSON, SEALD, THAYER); http://members.xoom.com/jaldrich/Lines/Michael.htm Aldrich Family biographies, go to http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssociation/AldrichBios or go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aldrich/ CASAVANT (who m MORAN); CURRAN (who m DANAHY) DANAHY (b. in Hopkinton and who m LENAN, siblings m. TOLAN, JOHNSON, O'CONNOR) LENAN (who m O"BRIEN); SMITH (who m CASEY); PRENTICE (who m ALDRICH) http://www.prenticenet.com/roots/prentice/robert/#R4 RAWSON (one m ALLEN, later one TORREY) http://www.rawsonfamilyassoc.org/ THAYER (Thomas m WHEELER, son Ferdinando m HAYWARD); http://members.aol.com/Sadie476/Thayer.html

The Ireland GenWeb County Tipperary website has been updated. Webpages for the following civil parishes have been added: Ballymurreen, Galbooly, Moycarky, Twomileborris, Fertiana, Kilcooly, Buolick, Fennor and Gaile. These websites include maps of the civil parishes with all their townlands delineated, plus all the Family History Library films that are available for the civil parish with their numbers, also links related to the civil parish, the Samuel Lewis 1837 description of the parish from his books, A Topographical Dictionary of Ireland, plus links to all the townlands located within the civil parish which also have webpages added on the site. There are 106 new townland pages, too numerous to cite. In total, there are now 69 civil parish and 1,241 townland webpages on the site. If you have the site in your bookmarks/favorites please note that it has moved from the rootsweb server to: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/~irltip/ Also added are more links, surnames and church records. If you have any comments, additions and/or corrections, please contact me off the list. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

There is a project in place in Ireland by a government agency to compile the names of all who emigrated from ship passenger records. I cannot remember which agency is doing it. I ran across it within the last six months on an official website. Dwight Radford and Kyle Betit's book "A Genealogist's Guide to Discovering Your Irish Ancestors" (Betterway Books) has a 30+ page section on Canadian genealogical sources. I highly recommend it. I borrowed a copy through my local library network and ended up buying one for reference. "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Hi > > My gg was said to be an irish immigrant. > After long and hard researches I've found that his family were listed in a > 1870 USA sensus as canadians. > > I assume the family came from Ireland during the great starvation and > settled down in Canada for a while then moved to USA. > > I've searched for the family in what can be found of the immigrants lists > in the 1818 to 1866 ships arrivals in Quebec without success. > > Is there a facility to find those who left Ireland in that period ? > > The family names are: > > Archibald Bean (head) born around 1818 > Helen Gordon? (wife) born around 1818 > Frances (dau) born around 1848 > Amelia (dau) born around 1853 > Julia (dau) born around 1857 > Salina (dau) born around 1859 > Joseph (son) born around 1863 > > Maybe only part of the family were born overseas but I can't find any > trace of their births here in Canada. > > Thanks

The Irish Library Council recently announced that Griffith's Valuation is now available online at http://www.askaboutireland.ie. This is a tremendous help since in the past the indexes were available at http://www.failteromhat.com/ and other sites, but in order to view the details one had to pore through reels of microfilm. The results are available transcribed in web page (.html) format and images of the original document pages are also available. Maps of the area of interest are also available both current and historical. The current maps are from Google, however since there are many instances in Ireland where multiple locations having the same name exist not only in different counties but within the same county, it is necessary to carefully scrutinize the image Google presents to you. In my case I was looking for a townland called Cregg which is next to Oughterard. There are other Creggs in West Galway and Google chose to display one of those instead. I was not able to get the website to display the historical version of the same area. Happy hunting.