<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] Welcome to the world of Irish genealogical research. First, learn the resouces available. Fianna has an online educational guide or read John Gresham or Ryan's books which address the matter. Ellen -----Original Message----- From: Caz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: James WEIR, Lifford, Donegal "Caz" wrote in message news:... > Hello > > My grandmother's birth certificate (Lifford 1907) has her father as James > WEIR, blacksmith, Lifford, and mother Mary Weir formerly McCall. I have > the > death cert of his wife, Mary WEIR, 1955 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England. > Widow > of James WEIR, blacksmith journeyman. Mary was born in Crawford, Lks, > Scotland. > > I've ascertained that Lifford was in Clonleigh parish, Raphoe townland, > and > have scoured the censuses at censusfinder but been unable to find any > Weirs. > There is one in the 1857 Griffiths valuation for Raphoe, and I've written > to > the web administrator for details. > > I'm unable to get any further with James (his birthplace, parents, > siblings, > death date or place), and would welcome any advice on where to look next. > > Caz > [email protected] (please add .au to email address) > I omitted to mention that I am sure he and family were RC, given that descendents all are, and that I have pretty well exhausted all online resources for Donegal with no luck. If I could ascertain his date of birth I could order the certificate and would be able to break through the brick wall ...! I'm new to Irish genealogy, so would welcome any and all suggestions. Caz ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 5. Hi Ellen I came across the Fianna website a while ago, thanks, from a link on Cyndi's Irish webpage - both are great sources of info and resources although I have found a fair few broken/outdated links on Fianna - and I have read James Ryan's book 'Sources for Irish Family history'. Sadly, I'm still facing a brick wall. As previously stated, I've written off for info on 'a' James Weir in Griffith's valuation for Rapho ... a very long shot, I know, but I'm clutching at straws here! My rationale for doing this is in the faint hope my Weirs resided at the same address for a few decades, or were related to the Weirs residing at the address in GV. Then I could write to (have the address here somewhere ..) for the 1901 census details for that street/address, which, if my extremely long shot pays off and the family were still residing at that address, would give me an approximate age for James. Then, on the assumption he was born in the district I could write to the GRO and request a search (they'll do 5 years either side) on a birth certificate. My other option, far less hit-and-miss, is to try to locate his date and place of death. I've also made note of the primary school records for the district where my grandmother was born (Lifford), as FHS has a film. Thanks again for your advice. Caz

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:00:11 -0500, Stacy wrote: > If someone came to US via boat from Liverpool that orginated in Queenstown, > Ireland....do they typically stay on boat or depart in Liverpool? > > Just wondering if I need to look harder for someone in Liverpool that was on > a ship from Queenstown? When?

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The Chief <[email protected]> wrote: : On Aug 29, 9:00?pm, "Stacy" <[email protected]> wrote: :> If someone came to US via boat from Liverpool that orginated in Queenstown, :> Ireland....do they typically stay on ?boat or depart in Liverpool? :> :> Just wondering if I need to look harder for someone in Liverpool that was on :> a ship from Queenstown? :> :> Thanks, :> Stacy : Methinks you have this backwards: ships originated in Liverpool and : then called into Cove on their way to America. Not necessarily. Up until about 1860 when steam ships became more common on the trans-Atlantic routes, large sailing vessels did not call in at Queenstown due to the lack of manuverability in the Cove of Cork. It was common practice to take a small overnight steamer to Liverpool and seek passage on the next outbound immigrant vessel. Many familys frittered away their savings while waiting in dockside accomodations and ended up settling in Liverpool. Unfortunately, it is difficult to find such passengers as there were no records kept of passengers going from Queenstown to Liverpool. There were also much smaller vessels leaving from ports such as Youghal and Limerick, not to mention the timber vessels offloading along the coast of West Cork who would take passengers on the way back to Canadian ports. The fares were rock bottom and you had to bring your own food, but for the owners of the vessels it was cheaper to provide almost free berthing space than to pay to have stone ballast taken on board. -dja

Welcome to the world of Irish genealogical research. First, learn the resouces available. Fianna has an online educational guide or read John Gresham or Ryan's books which address the matter. Ellen -----Original Message----- From: Caz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: James WEIR, Lifford, Donegal "Caz" wrote in message news:... > Hello > > My grandmother's birth certificate (Lifford 1907) has her father as James > WEIR, blacksmith, Lifford, and mother Mary Weir formerly McCall. I have > the > death cert of his wife, Mary WEIR, 1955 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England. > Widow > of James WEIR, blacksmith journeyman. Mary was born in Crawford, Lks, > Scotland. > > I've ascertained that Lifford was in Clonleigh parish, Raphoe townland, > and > have scoured the censuses at censusfinder but been unable to find any > Weirs. > There is one in the 1857 Griffiths valuation for Raphoe, and I've written > to > the web administrator for details. > > I'm unable to get any further with James (his birthplace, parents, > siblings, > death date or place), and would welcome any advice on where to look next. > > Caz > [email protected] (please add .au to email address) > I omitted to mention that I am sure he and family were RC, given that descendents all are, and that I have pretty well exhausted all online resources for Donegal with no luck. If I could ascertain his date of birth I could order the certificate and would be able to break through the brick wall ...! I'm new to Irish genealogy, so would welcome any and all suggestions. Caz ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 5.

On Aug 30, 11:15 am, Dennis Ahern <[email protected]> wrote: > The Chief <[email protected]> wrote: > > : On Aug 29, 9:00?pm, "Stacy" <[email protected]> wrote: > :> If someone came to US via boat from Liverpool that orginated in Queenstown, > :> Ireland....do they typically stay on ?boat or depart in Liverpool? > :> > :> Just wondering if I need to look harder for someone in Liverpool that was on > :> a ship from Queenstown? > :> > :> Thanks, > :> Stacy > > : Methinks you have this backwards: ships originated in Liverpool and > : then called into Cove on their way to America. > > Not necessarily. Up until about 1860 when steam ships became more common > on the trans-Atlantic routes, large sailing vessels did not call in at > Queenstown due to the lack of manuverability in the Cove of Cork. It was > common practice to take a small overnight steamer to Liverpool and seek > passage on the next outbound immigrant vessel. Many familys frittered away > their savings while waiting in dockside accomodations and ended up > settling in Liverpool. Unfortunately, it is difficult to find such > passengers as there were no records kept of passengers going from > Queenstown to Liverpool. > > There were also much smaller vessels leaving from ports such as Youghal > and Limerick, not to mention the timber vessels offloading along the coast > of West Cork who would take passengers on the way back to Canadian ports. > The fares were rock bottom and you had to bring your own food, but for the > owners of the vessels it was cheaper to provide almost free berthing > space than to pay to have stone ballast taken on board. > > -dja Dennis, If you are simply saying that people commonly took ship from Ireland to England, particularly Liverpool, and thence on to America, then of course you are correct. However, this is not what the original query asked about, which was taking a single ship from Cove to Liverpool, and thence on to America on the same ship: "someone came to US via boat ..... that orginated in Queenstown...?" Regards, The Chief

"Caz" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:... > Hello > > My grandmother's birth certificate (Lifford 1907) has her father as James > WEIR, blacksmith, Lifford, and mother Mary Weir formerly McCall. I have > the > death cert of his wife, Mary WEIR, 1955 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England. > Widow > of James WEIR, blacksmith journeyman. Mary was born in Crawford, Lks, > Scotland. > > I've ascertained that Lifford was in Clonleigh parish, Raphoe townland, > and > have scoured the censuses at censusfinder but been unable to find any > Weirs. > There is one in the 1857 Griffiths valuation for Raphoe, and I've written > to > the web administrator for details. > > I'm unable to get any further with James (his birthplace, parents, > siblings, > death date or place), and would welcome any advice on where to look next. > > Caz > [email protected] (please add .au to email address) > I omitted to mention that I am sure he and family were RC, given that descendents all are, and that I have pretty well exhausted all online resources for Donegal with no luck. If I could ascertain his date of birth I could order the certificate and would be able to break through the brick wall ...! I'm new to Irish genealogy, so would welcome any and all suggestions. Caz

Hello My grandmother's birth certificate (Lifford 1907) has her father as James WEIR, blacksmith, Lifford, and mother Mary Weir formerly McCall. I have the death cert of his wife, Mary WEIR, 1955 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England. Widow of James WEIR, blacksmith journeyman. Mary was born in Crawford, Lks, Scotland. I've ascertained that Lifford was in Clonleigh parish, Raphoe townland, and have scoured the censuses at censusfinder but been unable to find any Weirs. There is one in the 1857 Griffiths valuation for Raphoe, and I've written to the web administrator for details. I'm unable to get any further with James (his birthplace, parents, siblings, death date or place), and would welcome any advice on where to look next. Caz [email protected] (please add .au to email address)

Caz, One connection I have to Ireland is to a Kelsey, who married a Mills; their daughter married William Robert McKee, my direct ancestor (who was born in South Carolina in 1785). The only other connection I have was "Niall of the Nine Hostages", with which I match on 63 of 67 gene marker cells tested.. He was king of Ireland in the 5th century. The way I found him was through DNA testing by Family Tree DNA.I don't think either will help you, but I wiah you all the luck! If you find any connections with the McKee family, from NW Ireland, or with the Ferrill family, from mid Ireland, please let me know. Edward Ferrill McKee 336) 777-1388 Winston Salem NC (U.S) -------------- Original message from "Caz" <[email protected]>: -------------- > Hello > > My grandmother's birth certificate (Lifford 1907) has her father as James > WEIR, blacksmith, Lifford, and mother Mary Weir formerly McCall. I have the > death cert of his wife, Mary WEIR, 1955 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England. Widow > of James WEIR, blacksmith journeyman. Mary was born in Crawford, Lks, > Scotland. > > I've ascertained that Lifford was in Clonleigh parish, Raphoe townland, and > have scoured the censuses at censusfinder but been unable to find any Weirs. > There is one in the 1857 Griffiths valuation for Raphoe, and I've written to > the web administrator for details. > > I'm unable to get any further with James (his birthplace, parents, siblings, > death date or place), and would welcome any advice on where to look next. > > Caz > [email protected] (please add .au to email address) > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

If someone came to US via boat from Liverpool that orginated in Queenstown, Ireland....do they typically stay on boat or depart in Liverpool? Just wondering if I need to look harder for someone in Liverpool that was on a ship from Queenstown? Thanks, Stacy

On Aug 29, 9:00 pm, "Stacy" <[email protected]> wrote: > If someone came to US via boat from Liverpool that orginated in Queenstown, > Ireland....do they typically stay on  boat or depart in Liverpool? > > Just wondering if I need to look harder for someone in Liverpool that was on > a ship from Queenstown? > > Thanks, > Stacy Methinks you have this backwards: ships originated in Liverpool and then called into Cove on their way to America. Regards, The Chief

So, I had to take a break and in coming back, the only passenger list that matches his age is the ship Arizona from Queenstown to Liverpool to NY. I did find another record where the age is close, 23yrs opposed to 25yrs. Either way, it's the same place Liverpool & Queenstown, only different ship (Richmond) I'm having trouble searching Queenstown (Cobn) or Liverpool for him. Can someone please share some suggestions in finding him before he arrived in NY. I'm obviously a beginner in my search and would like to know where would be my best bet to get over this road block. I'm told he's from County Clare but found a record from Cork , where the father's name matches (John Collins). This record shows the mother as Ellen Mahony with a sister being baptized 2 yrs later (Ellen). Without more information, I cannot confirm that I have the right family...his obituary only states a sister Katherine - uggghhh As always, any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks so much! Stacy "Michael Kenefick" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Hello Stacy, > > Some Ohio records are online and free. Check > http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0 select > ohio deaths for death certificate (FREE, FREE, FREE). When I check for > John Collins D. 1923 in Youngstown, Mahoning, Ohio the only possible match > is the 1st of the three. But the wifes name is different. You may have > to be a little generatic and hunt more. > > Also, if you are in Ohio, your local library may have various use from > home or only from the library sources that can help in the quest. visit > http://www.oplin.org/access.php?Id=67-22537&msg_ Example is > www.heritagequest.com is viewable from home and www.ancestry.com is > library use only for my library system. Other states may have similar > programs. > > Mike Kenefick in Hilliard, Ohio > > Stacy wrote: >> Immigrated to US in 1882 and according a passenger list, came by himself. >> His obituary in Youngstown OH (Nov 1923),stated he had a sister "Mrs. >> Catherine Claire, in Ireland". I've been told he was born in Clare County >> but haven't been unable to find a source. So I'm not sure if her last >> name is Claire or if they are refering to Clare county. He was also >> catholic. >> >> A great uncle was a president and active member of the Gaelic Socity in >> Youngstown and I'm hoping they can also offer additional information. >> There is a family rumor that John might have changed his last name and >> apparently there's a person who knows and won't spill, but even that is >> hearsay. Although, IF the passenger record is him (the only John Collins >> I've found with that match his age, so far), it was changed before >> arriving in the US. (which would seem obvious to me) >> >> He married Bridget Finnessy in 1887 and I'm still searching for a >> marriage liscense, to find out where they might have lived before records >> show them together in OH. I've attached his obituary and have ordered >> their death certificate, which will take 2-3 weeks. The death records are >> before they required registration, so I'm not sure if the certificate >> will be complete or what other information it might provide that I don't >> already have. In the meantime, if anyone can suggest a next step or >> something I'm missing, or even greater...a miraculous connection - ha! >> The holy grail seems always be the NEXT connection ;o)...I'd be grateful. >> >> I also came across Funcheon relatives this week. I'll search but if >> someone want to offer up/narrow down areas of Ireland, I'd also >> appreciate that...but no worries, I don't expect someone to find all my >> infomation for me...I'm on a treasure hunt and just trying to sniff out >> the clues! >> >> Thanks, >> Stacy > > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

"FRANCIS SOUTHWICK" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] >I am looking to locate my family. > > My gg grandfather was called Charles McPhillips born c 1838. I do not > know which county he was born in. His father was also called Charles. > > Also my gg grandmother Rose Ann McGowan born c 1840. Again I do not know > the county she was born in. Her father was called John. > > Charles and Rose Ann were married in Northumberland in England in 1866. > > Can anyone get me any information on these families. > > Thank you. One other thought occurred to me, the 1871 census shows that they had a lodger who shared the same profession as Charles and who was also born in Ireland. Have you followed the lodger through all the records just in case he gave a more specific birthplace other than just "Ireland". He may have shared a birthplace with your Charles or even perhaps Rose and also his name seems to be a bit more unusual - looks like Thomas McGlineby or perhaps McGliveby ?????. Or even perhaps the lodger in the 1881 census - Philip Sullivan? Or even look at the history of what they were draining - was there a particular eastate where they worked that had Anglo-Irish connections and imported a whole workforce from some particular place in Ireland??? Perhaps none of these suggestions will be useful but going sideways may help.

"FRANCIS SOUTHWICK" <[email protected]> wrote in >I am looking to locate my family. > > My gg grandfather was called Charles McPhillips born c 1838. I do not > know which county he was born in. His father was also called Charles. > > Also my gg grandmother Rose Ann McGowan born c 1840. Again I do not know > the county she was born in. Her father was called John. > > Charles and Rose Ann were married in Northumberland in England in 1866. As others have mentioned, almost impossible to find help with just that info. Other possibilities to check out could be: Did they include any place names in the names of their children? Did they live in a place at any time that they named in memory of their birthplace eg a house called "Donegal" or somesuch. Did thei tombstones give a birthplace (I was lucky enough to find the Townland name on the headstone of my gggrandfather. I'd known his county of birth but not his Townland). Any old bibles/books tucked in a bookcase that might have belonged to them (or even in the extended family) that gives a place in Ireland?

<[email protected]> wrote in message This is a tough one as you have no starting point. I suggest you go to the U.S. Censuses as that is where I found my father's parents. __________________ The OP is in the UK so why/how could the US Censuses help him?

Transcribed from the 29 August 1828 edition of The Newry Commercial Telegraph newspaper, by permission of The British Library: Embezzlement at Greenwich Hospital.--Apprehension of Mr. Austin. This individual, the particulars of whose recent unfortunate defalcation in his accounts with Greenwich Hospital, in which establishment he had been raised to the post of Deputy Treasurer, appeared on Thursday's Reporter, has been arrested, and is now in custody in this city [Cork]. The arrest was effected by Mr. Young, one of the Peace Officers of Cork, assisted by two of the London Police, in a public house in Limerick, on yesterday morning. They had traced him through Buttevant and Charleville, and it was by the merest chance Mr. Young came up with him, in a bye street in Limerick. On being arrested, Austin did not appear agitated, and intimated his confidence of clearing up the charge to the satisfaction of the Government. He will be transmitted to London in a few days.--Cork Southern Reporter. ========================

FRANCIS SOUTHWICK wrote: > I am looking to locate my family. > My gg grandfather was called Charles McPhillips born c 1838.? I do not know?which county he was born in.? His father was also called Charles. >?Also my gg grandmother Rose Ann McGowan born c 1840.? Again I do not know?the county she was born in.? Her father was called John. DAVID (Sherlock Holmes) replied: > You are asking someone to hunt for a needle in a hay stack especially so when you have no county even as a guide. > As for the McGowan surname I am picking that this is and was a quite common surname in Ireland. I must agree with David. While some reader may get lucky and find this marriage in an online search, it is easy to do this search oneself ... go to familyseach.org or Google BMD (birth, marriage, death). David's assertion that McGowan is a common surname is right on the mark. The original Gaelic form is Mac Gabhann, deriving from gabha, which means "smith". So, in effect, you're asking for help in locating a John Smith. Brad searching for WILSON in?Armagh (talk about a needle in a haystack)

Transcribed from the 27 August 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning Post newspaper, by permission of The British Library: Irish Emigrants.--New York Journals to the 24th of July mention, among other things, that many hundreds of Irish Emigrants had landed at Eastport, on the Spanish Main [ship], in order to form a Settlement. Many of them were women and children. ======================

FRANCIS SOUTHWICK wrote: > I am looking to locate my family. > > My gg grandfather was called Charles McPhillips born c 1838. I do not know > which county he was born in. His father was also called Charles. > > Also my gg grandmother Rose Ann McGowan born c 1840. Again I do not know > the county she was born in. Her father was called John. > > Charles and Rose Ann were married in Northumberland in England in 1866. > > Can anyone get me any information on these families. > > Thank you. > > > Hi Francis, You are asking someone to hunt for a needle in a hay stack especially so when you have no county even as a guide. As for the McGowan surname I am picking that this is and was a quite common surname in Ireland. Had you known what county in Ireland your people came from you would still need to know what Townland so then you could see if any parish records are still available, you then would have to check each parish in the area and not knowing the religion that means you could be looking at six or more parish records. Sure you may get a very lucky break and strike them in the first parish you look at, however I would not bank on it. Basically Francis you need more information from with in the family as what you have supplied is not enough. Please do not ask this group or any other group if there are shipping / passenger records between Ireland and England as this is a daft question due to the fact that even now there are no records kept on passengers going to any destination within the UK, you do not even have to present a passport to travel from Stranrar to Larne or Dublin to Holyhead I know this because I have done both trips. David

This is a tough one as you have no starting point. I suggest you go to the U.S. Censuses as that is where I found my father's parents. I did find a John and Bridget McGowan who were godparents to my grandfather's brother Pat who was born in 1882. This was in the townland of Glenree, Kilgarvan RC Parish, County Mayo. I found no one else my that name of McPhillips. Sorry I could not be of more help. ed Quoting Sherlock Holmes <[email protected]>: FRANCIS SOUTHWICK wrote: I am looking to locate my family. My gg grandfather was called Charles McPhillips born c 1838.  I do not know which county he was born in.  His father was also called Charles. Also my gg grandmother Rose Ann McGowan born c 1840.  Again I do not know the county she was born in.  Her father was called John. Charles and Rose Ann were married in Northumberland in England in 1866. Can anyone get me any information on these families. Thank you.  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm