: I'm trying to find someone before they arrived in NY. According to > census records, he arrived in 1882...by himself. I'm also having > trouble finding him before he settled in OH since he arrived, > married and settled between census records. Word in the family, > he's from Clare but I've yet to validate it. My father in law's Dad came in 1880 and came through Castle Garden (mailto:[email protected]) _http://www.castlegarden.org/_ (http://www.castlegarden.org/) Might try there. MaryPat **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

A poster queried web address below, here is a correct link http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/ JM "JJM" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Francis, > While posters on this group have often warned against basing research on > statistics or probability, as a starting point if you check with > irishtimes.com/ancestors you will see that McPhillips was most frequent in > Co. Monaghan and McGowan in Co. Leitrim. As these counties are close > together and adjoin Fermanagh, it seems like these 3 counties would be a > good place to start searching birth/baptism records. > JM > > "FRANCIS SOUTHWICK" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected] >>I am looking to locate my family. >> >> My gg grandfather was called Charles McPhillips born c 1838. I do not >> know which county he was born in. His father was also called Charles. >> >> Also my gg grandmother Rose Ann McGowan born c 1840. Again I do not know >> the county she was born in. Her father was called John. >> >> Charles and Rose Ann were married in Northumberland in England in 1866. >> >> Can anyone get me any information on these families. >> >> Thank you. >> > >

On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:34:49 -0500, Stacy wrote: > I'm trying to find someone before they arrived in NY. According to > census records, he arrived in 1882...by himself. I'm also having > trouble finding him before he settled in OH since he arrived, > married and settled between census records. Word in the family, > he's from Clare but I've yet to validate it. Too early, that's a shame. If he'd left Liverpool eight years later, it would have been worth looking at the Ancestors Abroad database on www.findmypast.com. It would help if you could give as much information as you know about your man, eg name, age, wife's name, children's names, where he said he was from in the censuses. What sources have you checked? He may have stayed in Liverpool for a while, but he may have gone to Manchester for work if he'd had to wait any length of time for a berth on an emigrant ship. He may have gone into Canada, then crossed into the US. Have you looked at the border crossing records? I'm not sure if they are in the Canadian records or the American. I'm sure someone will know. Help us to help you.

Transcribed from the 3 September 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning Post newspaper, by permission of The British Library: The Out-pensioners of Kilmainham Hospital are to be transferred to Chelsea Hospital from the 24th of December next, and their quarterly affidavits must be transmitted to Chelsea Hospital on or immediately after the 25th September, addressed to "The Right Hon. the Post-Master-General, Horse Guards, London," with the words "Pensioners' Affidavit," at the left hand corner. =====================

Pat - Do you know if there are any existing indexes, or plans for indexing, Civil Death records? The people I'm looking for were born and married prior to 1864. I'm searching for John Hennessey & wife Bridget Canny, Milltown, Co. Clare. Their son, John, was born approx 1835 so I'm guessing they were born in very early 1800s. Joe Hennessey "Pat Connors" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > This index is almost completely online. Recently added were the Ms, all > 54 webpages of them; plus the Ns, Os, Us and Vs. The letters left to go > online (P, R, S, T, W, Y) are all currently being worked and should go > online soon. You can find the index at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com >

Does he have a name? Do a frequency and distribution for the surname in the Griffith's Valuation to get an idea of where he might have been born? Is there a death cert? Or an obit? Ellen -----Original Message----- From: Stacy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 08:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Passenger lists I'm trying to find someone before they arrived in NY. According to census records, he arrived in 1882...by himself. I'm also having trouble finding him before he settled in OH since he arrived, married and settled between census records. Word in the family, he's from Clare but I've yet to validate it. Stacy "Charani" wrote in message news:[email protected] > On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:00:11 -0500, Stacy wrote: > >> If someone came to US via boat from Liverpool that orginated in >> Queenstown, >> Ireland....do they typically stay on boat or depart in Liverpool? >> >> Just wondering if I need to look harder for someone in Liverpool that was >> on >> a ship from Queenstown? > > When? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Stacy, Names, dates please. Where in Ohio did he settle? I saw the 1882 reference that you posted. That a good start, but elaborate. Mike in Ohio Stacy wrote: > If someone came to US via boat from Liverpool that orginated in Queenstown, > Ireland....do they typically stay on boat or depart in Liverpool? > > Just wondering if I need to look harder for someone in Liverpool that was on > a ship from Queenstown? > > Thanks, > Stacy > > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

I'm trying to find someone before they arrived in NY. According to census records, he arrived in 1882...by himself. I'm also having trouble finding him before he settled in OH since he arrived, married and settled between census records. Word in the family, he's from Clare but I've yet to validate it. Stacy "Charani" <[email protected] mail2genes.invalid> wrote in message news:[email protected] > On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:00:11 -0500, Stacy wrote: > >> If someone came to US via boat from Liverpool that orginated in >> Queenstown, >> Ireland....do they typically stay on boat or depart in Liverpool? >> >> Just wondering if I need to look harder for someone in Liverpool that was >> on >> a ship from Queenstown? > > When?

http://www.the-kingdom.ie/news/story/?trs=cwidcwmhey >From The Kingdom Newspaper in County Kerry. (August 2008) Posting the following item of interest to those seeking parish records for Kerry/Cashel and Elmy parishes. Both parishes were previously closed parishes when it came to view their microfilmed records in Dublin. Kerry did have a Heritage centre where for a fee one could obtain the parish records. (it remains closed) and has been for many years. Tipperary also has (two) Heritage centres? as far as I know. KerryKate ***************************************************************************************** Bishops upset by move to open parish records THE Bishop of Kerry has objected to a decision by the National Library to provide free public access to micro-film copies of historic parish registers from the diocese. The move has also been condemned by the Kerry-born Archibishop of Cashel and Elmy, Dr Dermot Clifford, who has written to the library superiors to voice his disapproval. The objections from the bishops followed a decision by the library authorities to reverse a previous policy and reopen public access to copies of the registers. It is understood that the bishops contend that copyright issues arise as the records are the property of parishes and dioceses. But the library’s decision also removes a significant source of income for some dioceses which charge fees when allowing members of the public access to parish registers. In his letter to the library, Dr Clifford said he was “totally taken aback” at the unilateral decision to grant access to “allcomers” to the registers. He said previous arrangements between the dioceses and the library were founded on the clear understanding that copyright to the records were the property of the parishes and diocese. No permission had been given to the library to grant access to the microfilm records, Dr Clifford maintained. The Bishop of Kerry, Dr Bill Murphy, also wrote to the library to express his surprise at the decision and to stress that no permission had been given to the library to grant public access to the records. Members of the public in Kerry can currently access parish records by contacting the diocesan genealogy office and paying a nominal search fee sum. The director of the National Library, Aongus " hAonghusa, has reaffirmed the decision to provide public access to the records and informed the bishops that it was made with the benefit of legal advice. Three separate legal sources had informed the library that there was no reason why it should not provide public access to the microfilmed records. The parish and diocesan records are considered fundamental research tools for genealogists and others anxious to trace family histories. The library’s collection of microfilms covers the surviving pre-1881 baptismal and marriage records of almost all Catholic parishes throughout Ireland. Concern has been voiced in recent days that there are some fears that the parish records might be used for inappropriate reasons if they were made available free of charge to everybody. Some reports have suggested that there is concern that some members of the Mormon Church - also known as the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints - might use such records to posthumously baptise Catholics into the Mormon faith. It is the custom of the Mormon Church to baptise deceased members of other churches, in a practice focusing on the afterlife which critics have branded an attempt to artificially boost membership numbers. A spokesman for the Mormon community in Ireland, which numbered 1,237 in the 2006 census, referred to the teachings of the Church which state that baptisms for the dead are necessary to allow them to be reunited with Jesus in the afterlife. The spokesman stressed that such baptisms did not alter the faith of the deceased if they did not wish it to. “The Church also teaches that those in the afterlife who have been baptised by proxy are free to accept or reject the ordinance,” he said. The Kingdom contacted the Bishop of Kerry’s office on a number of occasions in the past week but no comment was forthcoming.

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Mick Gurling <[email protected]> wrote: : http://www.immigrantships.net/ You can also find news of vessels there. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild, Irish Maritime News Acton, Mass. | http://immigrantships.net/newsarticles/newsarticles.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Mary Pat, Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild http.//immigrantships.net/index.html Since so much time had expired since I last was on it, I checked it out and it's still operational. Good Luck!! Darlene

http://www.immigrantships.net/ Google is your friend :) MickG [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild. > > > > Do you have the URL for the above site ??????? > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

http://www.immigrantships.net/ Google is your friend :) MickG [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild. > > > > Do you have the URL for the above site ??????? > > > > > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel > deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild. Do you have the URL for the above site ??????? **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Francis, While posters on this group have often warned against basing research on statistics or probability, as a starting point if you check with irishtimes.com/ancestors you will see that McPhillips was most frequent in Co. Monaghan and McGowan in Co. Leitrim. As these counties are close together and adjoin Fermanagh, it seems like these 3 counties would be a good place to start searching birth/baptism records. JM "FRANCIS SOUTHWICK" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] >I am looking to locate my family. > > My gg grandfather was called Charles McPhillips born c 1838. I do not > know which county he was born in. His father was also called Charles. > > Also my gg grandmother Rose Ann McGowan born c 1840. Again I do not know > the county she was born in. Her father was called John. > > Charles and Rose Ann were married in Northumberland in England in 1866. > > Can anyone get me any information on these families. > > Thank you. >

Just to add my 2 cents worth, if it's even worth that much: In October, 2005, I found my gggrandmother on the Barque Stambone which sailed from Tralee, Ireland, 6 June, 1851, on the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild. She is listed as age 13, alone! I did not find her aunt, with whom she was supposed to be traveling, nor her parents who came after she left. At the port of New York: "I, John Farrow, Master of the Br Barque Stambone, do solemnly, sincerely and truly swear that the ..........the said Barque at Tralee, from which port said Barque has now arrived............" Somewhere I have read that the port waters were too shallow for the larger ships to sail into and so passengers had to take another ship out to where the larger ones waited. The Stambone might have sailed from Liverpool to Tralee - who knows. Darlene

Transcribed from the 16 September 1823 edition of The Strabane Morning Post newspaper, by permission of The British Library: Manufactures and State of Employment in Scotland. We have, for several years, been fully aware of the great demand for labour in the Manufacturing towns on the East Coast of Scotland. The extent to which the coarse Linen Trade is carried from the county of Fife to Aberdeenshire, inclusive, is almost incredible. New fabrics have been invented, and new markets have been discovered. The only check the Manufacturers have experienced arises from the scarcity of hands. Why this deficiency should occur, is the more astonishing, when the fact is known, that, in every part of Ireland, there is a general outcry for employment. We have received a letter, dated the 1st inst. from one of the principal Manufacturing Towns in the county of Angus, which communicates some information on this subject, that may be useful to Ireland, and we shall given an extract in the precise words of our intelligent Correspondent, as follows:-- "It is impossible for a thinking resident in this country (Scotland) to avoid contrasting it with Ireland, or those districts of Ireland where there are continued complaints for the want of employment, for the labouring classes--there are large importations of Irishmen on that coast which is immediately opposite Ireland, but very few of them think of penetrating to the Eastern side where all the outcry is for want of a sufficient number of hands--that is to say, they are always scarce, particularly families of children, and have been so for years back. A hint to some of the districts, through the medium of your journal[,] would render a most essential service to both parties, and it ought to be generally made known, that in this particular quarter (Arbroath) now become the seat of a most extensive Linen Trade, that provisions are uncommonly low--the dwelling houses superior in point of comfort, and accommodation, and that the art of weaving those fabrics is very easily acquired. Men, married women, and young girls all practising it, while the very young, the old and infirm men and women earn their livelihood by winding and fil-ing [?], so that industrious families have every chance of making a very comfortable subsistence." We conceive this information important, and we hope our Contemporaries will give it all the publicity in their power, for the sake of those poor people who think of abandoning their Country for distant lands on the doubtful search for comfort and happiness. From the conveniency and cheapness of transmission by Steam Vessels, a labouring man may reach the east coast of Angus, from Ireland, in two days, and at the expense of fifteen, or twenty shillings. This grand conveyance, it may be said, has brought, Ireland and Scotland into almost immediate contact. The opportunity then, of furnishing employment to many well disposed Irish persons of the humble class, should not be neglected by their more fortunate fellow men, and we should suggest that a society be formed, in the city of Dublin, to collect the necessary funds for transferring fifty families, by way of experiment, to the East Coast of Scotland.--Dublin Journal. ... and on the same page of that edition of The Strabane Morning Post: Since the removal of the restrictions on the trade between Great Britain and Ireland, large quantities of Irish calicoes have been sold both here and in Manchester. The trade is very likely to increase, as notwithstanding the low wages paid here, they are greatly lower in Ireland. It seems probable that, instead of the poor Irish coming here to weave, they will now obtain work at home, and that their wages will become somewhat higher.--Glasgow Chronicle. =========================

The Chief <[email protected]> wrote: : On Aug 30, 11:15?am, Dennis Ahern <[email protected]> wrote: :> The Chief <[email protected]> wrote: :> :> : On Aug 29, 9:00?pm, "Stacy" <[email protected]> wrote: :> :> If someone came to US via boat from Liverpool that orginated in Queenstown, :> :> Ireland....do they typically stay on ?boat or depart in Liverpool? :> :> :> :> Just wondering if I need to look harder for someone in Liverpool that was on :> :> a ship from Queenstown? :> :> :> :> Thanks, :> :> Stacy :> :> : Methinks you have this backwards: ships originated in Liverpool and :> : then called into Cove on their way to America. :> :> Not necessarily. Up until about 1860 when steam ships became more common :> on the trans-Atlantic routes, large sailing vessels did not call in at :> Queenstown due to the lack of manuverability in the Cove of Cork. It was :> common practice to take a small overnight steamer to Liverpool and seek :> passage on the next outbound immigrant vessel. Many familys frittered away :> their savings while waiting in dockside accomodations and ended up :> settling in Liverpool. Unfortunately, it is difficult to find such :> passengers as there were no records kept of passengers going from :> Queenstown to Liverpool. :> :> There were also much smaller vessels leaving from ports such as Youghal :> and Limerick, not to mention the timber vessels offloading along the coast :> of West Cork who would take passengers on the way back to Canadian ports. :> The fares were rock bottom and you had to bring your own food, but for the :> owners of the vessels it was cheaper to provide almost free berthing :> space than to pay to have stone ballast taken on board. :> :> -dja : Dennis, : If you are simply saying that people commonly took ship from : Ireland to England, particularly Liverpool, and thence on to America, : then of course you are correct. However, this is not what the original : query asked about, which was taking a single ship from Cove to : Liverpool, and thence on to America on the same ship: : "someone came to US via boat ..... that orginated in Queenstown...?" : Regards, : The Chief Ships returning from America stopped in Queenstown to drop off passengers. In fact, Eneclann sells a CD with lists of male passengers returning to Ireland this way in the 1850s and 60s. It was part of a government effort to catch returning Fenians. In such a case, it is possible someone could have boarded in Queenstown and sailed to Liverpool then continued on the same vessel on a return trip to America. Of course, this is an unlikely scenario as it would make more sense to wait for a ship heading West from Queenstown. Passenger lists often have the designation "L/pool/Qtown" given as the port of embarkation, but this should be interpreted as a ship originating in Liverpool and stopping to pick up passengers in Queenstown. By the way, the evolution of the port name is Cove->Queenstown->Cobh. It was renamed from Cove (shortened from Cove of Cork) to Queenstown in honor of a visit by Queen Victoria during the Famine, I forget exactly which year, but probably around 1846. After Ireland was divided into the Irish Free State and Northern Ireland in (1920? 1022?) Queenstown reverted to the Gaelic spelling of the original name, Cobh. Kingstown was changed to Dun Laoghaire, and Kingwilliamstown in Co. Cork was renamed Ballydesmond. -dja