New website gives definitive Irish place names Another useful tool for the genealogist searching for places in Ireland is now available. Minister for Gaeltacht Affairs Éamon Ó Cuív on Wednesday 1 October, 2008 formally launched a new website which gives the official Irish names of some 100,000 towns, streets and villages. Work is continuing on the website, www.logainm.ie. It is being carried out by Fiontar, the Irish teaching and research unit of Dublin City University, on behalf of the Placenames Branch of the Department of Gaeltacht Affairs. When you open the site it is in Irish. Clicking on the link in the upper right corner will display it in English. It is intuitive in that if you type in a name that is misspelled in either language it will display close approximations.

Many times passengers were transported from shore to larger ships by tenders. My mother arrived in the US on a ship which originated in Liverpool and stopped in Cork (Queenstown) (Cobh). She boarded the tender and was transported about a mile to the waiting ship which then proceeded to New York. <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected] > Just to add my 2 cents worth, if it's even worth that much: > > In October, 2005, I found my gggrandmother on the Barque Stambone which > sailed from > Tralee, Ireland, 6 June, 1851, on the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild. > She is listed as > age 13, alone! I did not find her aunt, with whom she was supposed to be > traveling, nor her parents who came after she left. > > At the port of New York: "I, John Farrow, Master of the Br Barque > Stambone, do solemnly, > sincerely and truly swear that the ..........the said Barque at Tralee, > from which port said Barque has now arrived............" > > Somewhere I have read that the port waters were too shallow for the larger > ships to sail > into and so passengers had to take another ship out to where the larger > ones waited. > > The Stambone might have sailed from Liverpool to Tralee - who knows. > > Darlene >

Genealogy is an interesting past-time that the whole family can get involved in. When it comes down to it, most things begin at home, and genealogy is no different. Your quest to find out about your life and where you come from begins right on your doorstep. Speaking to your father and mother is an excellent way to start your search. Just as a detective would search for information about a crime: he would usually begin with the clues at hand, in the same way your parents will be able to shed some light about their lives and their parents. Start your journey to discovery with simple information that is readily available, your birth and/or your children's, and then work back in time. However, your search is made much easier if you have earlier generations that are still alive. There is no better way to complete your 'genealogy' journey than by getting first hand accounts of stories and memories that have shaped family members lives. Somewhere along your journey you may have to resort to other means of acquiring your genealogical information. Photo albums or deeds, wills and titles are an excellent source of information. These forms of information are cast in stone so to speak, and provide an accurate trail of investigation leads.... http://groups.google.com/group/familytreesyvs

which is the beauty of the English language Bill > just googled > > in UK we have some really old fashioned names for things because they > tell a story > > Hugh W

>From The Cork Examiner, 6 April 1865 - On Saturday evening last, a little before nine o'clock, a letter carrier, named William Cross, was suddenly attacked in Allen-street by two men, who attempted to take forcible possession of a bag of letters which he was carrying. Cross defended himself and raised an alarm, and the thieves had to retire unsuccessful.--Sheffield Independent. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

[email protected] wrote: > Hugh, > > Thanks for the history lesson. It explains the use of the ordnance map. I appreciate the gesture. just googled in UK we have some really old fashioned names for things because they tell a story Hugh W

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Chief, Thanks much! I appreciate it. Bill

Hugh, Thanks for the history lesson. It explains the use of the ordnance map. I appreciate the gesture. Bill

Thank-you very much to all of you for your kindness and help. Best wishes and have a great weekend!! : )

You are absolutely correct the first detailed maps of Great Briatain were for military use 1. History of maps since the Royal Board of Ordnance first surveyed ... From revolution to e-volution: a short history of Ordnance Survey. www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/aboutus/history/index.html - ordinance survey history >> Revolution! England was squeezed between rebellion in Scotland and war with France when King George II commissioned a military survey of the Scottish highlands in 1746. The job fell to William Roy, a far-sighted young engineer who understood the strategic importance of accurate maps. Walk into Ordnance Survey's Southampton head office and you'll see Roy's name engraved on the curved glass entrance doors, yet his vision of a national military survey wasn't implemented until after his death in 1790. By then Europe was in turmoil, and there were real fears that the French Revolution might sweep across the English Channel. Realising the danger, the government ordered its defence ministry – the Board of Ordnance – to begin a survey of England's vulnerable southern coasts. Military mapping 'Plan of the triangles', connecting the meridians of Greenwich and ParisIn June 1791, the Board purchased a huge new Ramsden theodolite, Ramsden Theodoliteand surveyors began mapping southern Britain from a baseline that Roy himself had measured several years earlier. The first one-inch map of Kent was published in 1801, and a similar map of Essex followed – just as Nelson's victory at Trafalgar made invasion less likely! Lough FoyleWithin twenty years about a third of England and Wales hadThomas Colby been mapped at the one-inch scale. If that seems slow in these days of aerial surveys and global positioning, spare a thought for Major Thomas Colby – later Ordnance Survey's longest serving Director General – who walked 586 miles in 22 days on a reconnaissance in 1819. A taxing business In 1824, Parliament ordered Colby and most of his staff to Ireland, to produce a detailed six inch to the mile valuation survey. Building trig pillarsColby designed specialist measuring equipment, established systematic collection of place names, and reorganised the map-making process to produce clear, accurate plans. But Colby the perfectionist also travelled with his men, helped to build camps, and arranged mountain-top feasts with huge plum puddings at the end of each surveying season. Soon after the first Irish maps began to appear in the mid-1830s, the demands of the Tithe Commutation Act provoked calls for similar six-inch surveys in England and Wales. The government prevaricated but, by then, there was a new power in the land. Driven by steam This was the era of railway mania and if the one-inch map was unsuitable for calculating tithes, it was virtually useless for the new breed of railway engineers. To make matters worse, mapping of England and Scotland remained incomplete and, in 1840, the Treasury agreed that the remaining areas should be surveyed at the six-inch scale. Now, surveyors needed greater access than ever before; and so, in 1841, the Ordnance Survey Act gave them a legal right to 'enter into and upon any land' for survey purposes. . . . . << lots more http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ordinance+survey+history&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= and today http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/ Hugh W [email protected] wrote: > Dennis, > > This may seem like a funny question, but what exactly is an ordnance map? I have looked at them, but cannot figure out why they are called that. As an old Marine, my mind tends to lean toward ammunition, although, I am aware that is ordinance. Another meaning would be a law - as a city ordinance. So what is an ordnance map? > > Bill Karr > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Dennis Ahern <[email protected]> > >> The most important point that people seem to be missing is that the >> Ordnance Survey maps do not have the identifying keys that match the >> reference column on the published pages of Griffith's Valuation. As far as >> I know, the only maps that have those keys are the ones available at the >> Valuation Office in Dublin. The only thing that is identified on the OS >> maps are the townlands themselves, which narrows things down, but you >> still have no way of knowing which "house" is the one you are trying to >> locate on the map. The version on the askaboutireland website gives a >> different number from what is in the published Griffith's. My problem is, >> I cannot find this point on their map. >> >> -dja >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message

Dennis, This may seem like a funny question, but what exactly is an ordnance map? I have looked at them, but cannot figure out why they are called that. As an old Marine, my mind tends to lean toward ammunition, although, I am aware that is ordinance. Another meaning would be a law - as a city ordinance. So what is an ordnance map? Bill Karr -------------- Original message -------------- From: Dennis Ahern <[email protected]> > > The most important point that people seem to be missing is that the > Ordnance Survey maps do not have the identifying keys that match the > reference column on the published pages of Griffith's Valuation. As far as > I know, the only maps that have those keys are the ones available at the > Valuation Office in Dublin. The only thing that is identified on the OS > maps are the townlands themselves, which narrows things down, but you > still have no way of knowing which "house" is the one you are trying to > locate on the map. The version on the askaboutireland website gives a > different number from what is in the published Griffith's. My problem is, > I cannot find this point on their map. > > -dja > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

On Oct 2, 7:15 pm, [email protected] wrote: > Dennis, > > This may seem like a funny question, but what exactly is an ordnance map? I have looked at them, but cannot figure out why they are called that. As an old Marine, my mind tends to lean toward ammunition, although, I am aware that is ordinance. Another meaning would be a law - as a city ordinance. So what is an ordnance map? > > Bill Karr As the question is addressed to "Dennis", you may not be interested in the following, but the answer is the maps were made by the Royal Engineers, who were in turn responsible to the Board of Ordnance. Because of this, the map making and surveying organization of the Royal Engineers/Board of Ordnance was named the "Ordnance Survey". The military connection of the OS was maintained in both Britain and Ireland until recent times. Regards, The Chief

The most important point that people seem to be missing is that the Ordnance Survey maps do not have the identifying keys that match the reference column on the published pages of Griffith's Valuation. As far as I know, the only maps that have those keys are the ones available at the Valuation Office in Dublin. The only thing that is identified on the OS maps are the townlands themselves, which narrows things down, but you still have no way of knowing which "house" is the one you are trying to locate on the map. The version on the askaboutireland website gives a different number from what is in the published Griffith's. My problem is, I cannot find this point on their map. -dja

On Oct 2, 7:34 am, Dennis Ahern <[email protected]> wrote: > The most important point that people seem to be missing is that the > Ordnance Survey maps do not have the identifying keys that match the > reference column on the published pages of Griffith's Valuation. As far as > I know, the only maps that have those keys are the ones available at the > Valuation Office in Dublin. The only thing that is identified on the OS > maps are the townlands themselves, which narrows things down, but you > still have no way of knowing which "house" is the one you are trying to > locate on the map. The version on the askaboutireland website gives a > different number from what is in the published Griffith's. My problem is, > I cannot find this point on their map. > > -dja Dennis, As I pointed out in my previous post some weeks back, all the maps I examined on the askaboutireland web sites are Valuation Office maps, but they date from the 1880s, not the time of Griffith's valuation. Because of the time difference, there are many differences in landholding, renumberings, etc. so you cannot just take the Griffith's list and match to the map. However, one can match up the maps with the later ("cancelled") valuation office "rates books" from the appropriate period, these books being available on microfilm from the LDS. In fact, I used the later valuation books in part to date the maps to the 1880s, though the primary evidence in the area I was looking at was the presence of railways not constructed until the 1870s . Not that difficult to match the maps to the valuation books if you know what you are doing and are familiar with the area. The maps are numbered and marked (in red) to show all the individual landholdings within each townland - you seem to indicate that you are not seeing this? Regards, The Chief

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Dennis, after about an hour working with my OS (1900) maps and the GV, I give up!!! The resolution onscreen breaks down before I can find the lot numbers. My OS does not have the lots numbered and I am lucky to be able to find the townland onscreen. I did not buy the GV version of the OS map just because I thought it too expensive for my purposes. I know that it is on microfiche at the Family History Center of Los Angeles and at Newberry. Good luck, Ellen -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Ahern [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 09:27 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Griffith's Valuation on askaboutireland Has anyone figured out how to interpret the maps that go with the Griffith's Valuation search engine at askaboutireland.ie? See http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_form.php for search engine. If you do a family name search, for example, and click on "Details" for an item in the results list you get a map reference number under Publication Details. I can't seem to find the location on the map. I was always under the impression that the only place you could get the maps that keyed to the pages from Griffith's was at the Valuation Office in Dublin. Does this tool provide that detail? I haven't had much luck finding the location on the map yet. -dja ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sep 30, 6:27 pm, Dennis Ahern <[email protected]> wrote: > Has anyone figured out how to interpret the maps that go with the > Griffith's Valuation search engine at askaboutireland.ie? > > Seehttp://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_form.phpfor > search engine. If you do a family name search, for example, and click on > "Details" for an item in the results list you get a map reference number > under Publication Details. I can't seem to find the location on the map. I > was always under the impression that the only place you could get the maps > that keyed to the pages from Griffith's was at the Valuation Office in > Dublin. Does this tool provide that detail? I haven't had much luck > finding the location on the map yet. > > -dja Dennis, I posted about the maps some time ago, you might want to revisit that post. Regards, The Chief

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