Theresa Green <[email protected]> wrote: : Hi there Dennis and thanks for these excerpts.... fascinating reading. : I wonder if anyone knows if there's ever been a list of Royal Navy : "deserters" published anywhere? I'm looking for an Irishman who : absconded from a RN ship after signing on at Cork. The date is around : 1842-50. If anyone has any clues as to where I can start I'd be very : grateful. I'm not aware of any lists of deserters, but simply searching for the term "deserter" at http://irelandoldnews.com turns up 145 hits. For an example, see http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Belfast/1800/FEB.html for an ad posting a reward for a deserter. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Hi there Dennis and thanks for these excerpts.... fascinating reading. I wonder if anyone knows if there's ever been a list of Royal Navy "deserters" published anywhere? I'm looking for an Irishman who absconded from a RN ship after signing on at Cork. The date is around 1842-50. If anyone has any clues as to where I can start I'd be very grateful. Thanks everyone. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dennis Ahern Sent: 21 October 2008 13:26 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Excerpts from Irish newspapers >From The Cork Examiner, 17 October 1861 - POLICE OFFICE--THIS DAY. ------------ (Before Messrs. A. F. M'NAMARA and G. CHATTERTON.) TWO young men, Daniel Carroll and Lawrence Crowley, were charged with having travelled on the railway from Tralee to Cork, without a ticket. Two railway porters stated that on the arrival of the goods train in Cork, this morning, the prisoners were found concealed in one of the cars. They stated, in answer to witnesses, that they had entered it at Mallow, but as no goods were received since the train left Tralee, the witnesses were certain the prisoners had entered the train at the latter town. Mr. M'Namara asked the prisoners if they were ready to pay 6s. 10d. each, the fare from Tralee. The prisoners said they were satisfied to pay it from Mallow to Cork. Mr. M'Namara--Well, you must each pay 10s. fine, or go to gaol for a fortnight. A car-driver, named John Callaghan was summoned by Mr. M'C. Mahony, for having used abusive language towards him. The summons server proved that he had served John Horgan, the owner of the car, as he could not find Callaghan. Horgan stated that Callaghan had been dismissed by him, and that he had given him the summons. The complaint having been proved the magistrates fined Callaghan 10s. and costs of court, or to go to gaol for a fortnight. Mr. M'Namara suggested to Mr. Joyce, the inspector of hackney cars to have an eye after Callaghan, and not allow him to obtain a badge in future. Mr. Joyce--I shall take care of that, sir; but it would be well if your worships would caution the owner not to employ such drivers as Callaghan, as he is in the habit of doing. Mr. M'Namara--I am certain that this man will be more cautious in future. I must say that there is a great improvement in the conduct of the drivers and the appearance of the cars. They are now a credit to the city. Mr. Joyce summoned the same cardriver for not having his badge exhibited, and he was fined 2s. 6d. and costs or a week's imprisonment. A complaint was brought against Mrs. Scannell, carowner, for keeping a horse which was unfit for work. Mr. Joyce requested the magistrates to deal leniently with the defendant, as she was a poor widow, and imposed upon by the parties whom she employed. The magistrates accordingly fined her in a nominal penalty and costs of the court. Another summons against the same carowner, for having her driver ply without his badge, was withdrawn by the inspector, as she had discharged the driver from her employment. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.glass-ts.com/PDFs/GTS_Terms_Conditions.pdf Click below if you wish to pay either company: http://www.britglass.org.uk/payment.php http://www.glass-ts.com/payment/payment.php P please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. http://www.britglass.org.uk/BritishGlass/British_Glass_Environmental_Policy_Statement_-_Mar_08.pdf http://www.glass-ts.com/PDFs/GTS_Environmental_Policy_Statement_-_Mar_08.pdf (Click to view policies) This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. 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>From The Cork Examiner, 17 October 1861 - POLICE OFFICE--THIS DAY. ------------ (Before Messrs. A. F. M'NAMARA and G. CHATTERTON.) TWO young men, Daniel Carroll and Lawrence Crowley, were charged with having travelled on the railway from Tralee to Cork, without a ticket. Two railway porters stated that on the arrival of the goods train in Cork, this morning, the prisoners were found concealed in one of the cars. They stated, in answer to witnesses, that they had entered it at Mallow, but as no goods were received since the train left Tralee, the witnesses were certain the prisoners had entered the train at the latter town. Mr. M'Namara asked the prisoners if they were ready to pay 6s. 10d. each, the fare from Tralee. The prisoners said they were satisfied to pay it from Mallow to Cork. Mr. M'Namara--Well, you must each pay 10s. fine, or go to gaol for a fortnight. A car-driver, named John Callaghan was summoned by Mr. M'C. Mahony, for having used abusive language towards him. The summons server proved that he had served John Horgan, the owner of the car, as he could not find Callaghan. Horgan stated that Callaghan had been dismissed by him, and that he had given him the summons. The complaint having been proved the magistrates fined Callaghan 10s. and costs of court, or to go to gaol for a fortnight. Mr. M'Namara suggested to Mr. Joyce, the inspector of hackney cars to have an eye after Callaghan, and not allow him to obtain a badge in future. Mr. Joyce--I shall take care of that, sir; but it would be well if your worships would caution the owner not to employ such drivers as Callaghan, as he is in the habit of doing. Mr. M'Namara--I am certain that this man will be more cautious in future. I must say that there is a great improvement in the conduct of the drivers and the appearance of the cars. They are now a credit to the city. Mr. Joyce summoned the same cardriver for not having his badge exhibited, and he was fined 2s. 6d. and costs or a week's imprisonment. A complaint was brought against Mrs. Scannell, carowner, for keeping a horse which was unfit for work. Mr. Joyce requested the magistrates to deal leniently with the defendant, as she was a poor widow, and imposed upon by the parties whom she employed. The magistrates accordingly fined her in a nominal penalty and costs of the court. Another summons against the same carowner, for having her driver ply without his badge, was withdrawn by the inspector, as she had discharged the driver from her employment. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Brad, Very well said. In my own family there was fostering in the early 20th century in County Mayo and even later. For years my cousin believed that her paternal aunt was a twin. I thought I had confirmed it because the two girls (same age) were on the 1901 census with my cousin's grandparents. However, one of the girls died around 1910 and I tried to find the church and civil birth records. I could find the records of the aunt that survived but not the "aunt" that died. Only one child was born to my cousin's grandparents when I looked at both baptism and birth records. I also know a woman from Mayo who can't find her grandfather's birth info even though she and her grandfather grew up on the same townland in Mayo. The grandfather was born sometime in the 1880's and the church records began in 1847. The civil birth records began in 1864. BTW, Brad, what is your haplogroup? My brother is R1b1b2*. Not sure about the Celt connection or "over wintering" on the Iberian Peninsula for me. LOL Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Paternal haplogroups Y-DNA R1b1b2 mtDNA H1b Ysearch ID KGARK and PSUXM Maternal haplogroup mtDNA K In a message dated 10/21/2008 3:02:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) writes: >>> Please do go in to the details about males of different surnames having identical DNA matches. This has happened to me and I even consulted a prof of genetics and am still in the dark as to how this can happen. I appreciate the chart of probabilities that you sent to the list. <<< I, too, am part of the Family Tree DNA project, although I got into it through the National Geographic "Genographic project". It so happens that they used FT for the analysis, so I got in through the "backdoor". Originally, I had the minimum 12-marker Y-chromosome test, but recently upgraded to the full 67-marker test. They keep the original sample on file, so it's just a new order. btw - the sample is a swab from the inside of each cheek - quite easy to do by oneself. My 12-marker analysis revealed that I am descended on the male side from the Celtic gene pool that populates northern Ireland and Scotland (no great surprise there), but is not much help in identifying family connections - even with the same surname (as the percentages indicate). Speaking specifically about the Celtic/Anglo-Saxon model, men with the same surname can have different lineages because surnames are a relatively recent introduction to the British Isles. However, men with the same surname who trace back to the same area, or village, are probably related. The Y-DNA test only looks at the Y-chromosome (because only that is certain to be passed from father to son). Humans have 23 chromosome pairs (one from mom & one from dad) and only 1 of those pairs determines sex - the 23rd is either XX (female) or XY (male). (There are, of course genetic anamolies that result in XXY or other such combinations, but these are rare.) Furthermore, even the 67-marker test is only looking at about half of the genes in the Y-chromosome. (The Y-chromosome is the smallest - no jokes please - with 76, 85 or 125 genes, depending on what you read - I am no geneticist.) You could have matches on all 67 with different surnames because of adoption, fostering (a common practice in ancient times), or simply by name change (remember my comment about surnames). The match on all markers indicates a 99% match in 24 generations - but 24 generations is a very, very long time - I doubt many of us can with any accuracy trace that far. Y-DNA testing is, like any other source, just one more piece in the puzzle. Use it to narrow down your search, not as an end to your search. Brad Wilson [email protected] James > David > Moses > Russell > David > me Tartaraghan, Armagh > London, Ontario (only 6 generations, sigh) **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

>>> Please do go in to the details about males of different surnames having identical DNA matches. This has happened to me and I even consulted a prof of genetics and am still in the dark as to how this can happen. I appreciate the chart of probabilities that you sent to the list. <<< I, too, am part of the Family Tree DNA project, although I got into it through the National Geographic "Genographic project". It so happens that they used FT for the analysis, so I got in through the "backdoor". Originally, I had the minimum 12-marker Y-chromosome test, but recently upgraded to the full 67-marker test. They keep the original sample on file, so it's just a new order. btw - the sample is a swab from the inside of each cheek - quite easy to do by oneself. My 12-marker analysis revealed that I am descended on the male side from the Celtic gene pool that populates northern Ireland and Scotland (no great surprise there), but is not much help in identifying family connections - even with the same surname (as the percentages indicate). Speaking specifically about the Celtic/Anglo-Saxon model, men with the same surname can have different lineages because surnames are a relatively recent introduction to the British Isles. However, men with the same surname who trace back to the same area, or village, are probably related. The Y-DNA test only looks at the Y-chromosome (because only that is certain to be passed from father to son). Humans have 23 chromosome pairs (one from mom & one from dad) and only 1 of those pairs determines sex - the 23rd is either XX (female) or XY (male). (There are, of course genetic anamolies that result in XXY or other such combinations, but these are rare.) Furthermore, even the 67-marker test is only looking at about half of the genes in the Y-chromosome. (The Y-chromosome is the smallest - no jokes please - with 76, 85 or 125 genes, depending on what you read - I am no geneticist.) You could have matches on all 67 with different surnames because of adoption, fostering (a common practice in ancient times), or simply by name change (remember my comment about surnames). The match on all markers indicates a 99% match in 24 generations - but 24 generations is a very, very long time - I doubt many of us can with any accuracy trace that far. Y-DNA testing is, like any other source, just one more piece in the puzzle. Use it to narrow down your search, not as an end to your search. Brad Wilson [email protected] James > David > Moses > Russell > David > me Tartaraghan, Armagh > London, Ontario (only 6 generations, sigh)

Familytreedna also has a y-search option which will compare your test results with the results obtained from other companies who do DNA testing. You can also check with FTDNA to see if a surname project has already been set up in your surname by other other people who have been previously tested with the same surname. On 19-Oct-08, at 11:24 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Ed, > > FTDNA as noted is the largest DNA testing company. If you're trying > to test > males, FTDNA has surname projects which give a lower price for the > testing. > > I should mention that some men with different surnames can match > but there > may not be a paper trail to back up the connection. > > My paternal grandparents were cousins with the same surname and my > grandmother's brother had a son who had a son. I had my brother and > grandmother's > brother's grandson tested to see if I could find how close was my > grandparents' > relationship. Out of 67 markers tested, my brother and cousin > matched 65 out > of 67 markers. What does that mean? My brother and cousin matched > 24 out of > 25. However, another man (as noted below) matched my brother 25 out > of 25 > markers. However, that same man (Greaves) was 64 out 67 matches. In > other words, > the more markers that are tested (up to 67 at least) the more you > can be sure > of a connection. > > In comparing 25 markers, the probability that John J. Hopkins and > James F. > Hopkins shared a common ancestor within the last... > 4 generations is 27.24% > 8 generations is 57.78% > 12 generations is 77.85% > 16 generations is 89.03% > 20 generations is 94.77% > 24 generations is 97.57% > > In comparing 25 markers, the probability that John J. Hopkins and > Robert A. > Greaves shared a common ancestor within the last... > 4 generations is 61.17% > 8 generations is 84.92% > 12 generations is 94.15% > 16 generations is 97.73% > 20 generations is 99.12% > 24 generations is 99.66% > > There are other reasons why my brother and cousin are not a perfect > match > but I won't go into that now. > > Here's FTDNA website that you can pursue: > _http://www.familytreedna.com/default.aspx_ (http://www.familytreedna.com/default.aspx > ) ? It will tell you the > costs. Check out the surname projects to compare prices. > > Nora Hopkins FitzGerald > Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City > Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC > > > In a message dated 10/19/2008 3:03:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > I read an article in AARP about DNA testing that will show if a > person has a common ancestor with another...supposedly to show at > least > they are realated. Anyone know of a good site to go to and possible > costs? > > ed > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Irishcoleen and all, Please do go in to the details about males of different surnames having identical DNA matches. This has happened to me and I even consulted a prof of genetics and am still in the dark as to how this can happen. I appreciate the chart of probabilities that you sent to the list. Michael DANAHY http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/d/a/n/Michael-C-Danahy/index.html RESEARCHING IN MA (Hopkinton), IRE, ENG ALDRICH http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~aldrichnaa/ (one m SMITH, earlier ones m CASAVANT, COMEE, http://www.familyorigins.com/users/e/v/a/Jeanne-C-Evans LOVELL, PRAY, PRENTICE, RAWSON, SEALD, THAYER); http://members.xoom.com/jaldrich/Lines/Michael.htm Aldrich Family biographies, go to http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssociation/AldrichBios or go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aldrich/ CASAVANT (who m MORAN); CURRAN (who m DANAHY) DANAHY (b. in Hopkinton and who m LENAN, siblings m. TOLAN, JOHNSON, O'CONNOR) LENAN (who m O"BRIEN); SMITH (who m CASEY); PRENTICE (who m ALDRICH) http://www.prenticenet.com/roots/prentice/robert/#R4 RAWSON (one m ALLEN, later one TORREY) http://www.rawsonfamilyassoc.org/ THAYER (Thomas m WHEELER, son Ferdinando m HAYWARD); http://members.aol.com/Sadie476/Thayer.html

Ed, FTDNA as noted is the largest DNA testing company. If you're trying to test males, FTDNA has surname projects which give a lower price for the testing. I should mention that some men with different surnames can match but there may not be a paper trail to back up the connection. My paternal grandparents were cousins with the same surname and my grandmother's brother had a son who had a son. I had my brother and grandmother's brother's grandson tested to see if I could find how close was my grandparents' relationship. Out of 67 markers tested, my brother and cousin matched 65 out of 67 markers. What does that mean? My brother and cousin matched 24 out of 25. However, another man (as noted below) matched my brother 25 out of 25 markers. However, that same man (Greaves) was 64 out 67 matches. In other words, the more markers that are tested (up to 67 at least) the more you can be sure of a connection. In comparing 25 markers, the probability that John J. Hopkins and James F. Hopkins shared a common ancestor within the last... 4 generations is 27.24% 8 generations is 57.78% 12 generations is 77.85% 16 generations is 89.03% 20 generations is 94.77% 24 generations is 97.57% In comparing 25 markers, the probability that John J. Hopkins and Robert A. Greaves shared a common ancestor within the last... 4 generations is 61.17% 8 generations is 84.92% 12 generations is 94.15% 16 generations is 97.73% 20 generations is 99.12% 24 generations is 99.66% There are other reasons why my brother and cousin are not a perfect match but I won't go into that now. Here's FTDNA website that you can pursue: _http://www.familytreedna.com/default.aspx_ (http://www.familytreedna.com/default.aspx) ? It will tell you the costs. Check out the surname projects to compare prices. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC In a message dated 10/19/2008 3:03:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I read an article in AARP about DNA testing that will show if a person has a common ancestor with another...supposedly to show at least they are realated. Anyone know of a good site to go to and possible costs? ed **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002)

Ed, Family Tree DNA is the largest ( www. familytreedna .com ). Ancestry.com also has DNA testing ( www.ancestry- dna .com  ). Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:30:37 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: cousins   I read an article in AARP about DNA testing that will show if a person has a common ancestor with another...supposedly to show at least they are realated. Anyone know of a good site to go to and possible costs?   ed   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I read an article in AARP about DNA testing that will show if a person has a common ancestor with another...supposedly to show at least they are realated. Anyone know of a good site to go to and possible costs? ed

Try http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories "mekki100" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]m... >I have only a short time on public computers per day to do research > and wonder if someone can point me in the right direction? > > A friend was adopted at birth and knows only the full name of her > birth mother approx age and that she was Irish. > > A long order I appreciate but is there anyone who can point me in the > right direction? > > Thanks > > Mick

Pat Traynor wrote: > , you wrote: >> From: mathuna <[email protected]> >> >> I am seeking descendants of Andrew Averell of Clonmacken, Clones, Co. >> Monaghan who served in WW1. I would be grateful to receive any >> information on this man. Here's hoping. Patricia. > > This may be an ancestor.............. From "The Monaghan Story", by P. > Livingstone. > > "The Rev. A. Averell established Methodism in Castleblayney in 1793." > > In 1901, 40% of the Methodists lived in the Clones area. > > > Thank you for your input Pat, every little bit helps. PLT

mekki100 <[email protected]hotmail.com> wrote: : I have only a short time on public computers per day to do research : and wonder if someone can point me in the right direction? : A friend was adopted at birth and knows only the full name of her : birth mother approx age and that she was Irish. See: http://www.netreach.net/~steed/search.html Resources for Irish Adoptees http://www.adoptionireland.com/ Irish Adoption Contact Register <http://web.archive.org/web/20040220103038/http://www.connect.ie/~apa/apa/media/irish_roots.htm> History of Adoption in Ireland

Hi Mick I'd start with the index for birth records. If you're using a library computer, you might be able to access the index using the Ancestry website (which is free to use in libraries I believe) (www.ancestry.com) when you find the entry on the index, you will be able to order a copy of the birth certificate from the registry office. You don't say if you are in Southern or Northern Ireland. Southern certificates are available from the general registry office in Dublin and northern ones from the general records office which I believe is in Belfast. Good luck with that Theresa http://www.glass-ts.com/PDFs/GTS_Terms_Conditions.pdf Click below if you wish to pay either company: http://www.britglass.org.uk/payment.php http://www.glass-ts.com/payment/payment.php P please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. http://www.britglass.org.uk/BritishGlass/British_Glass_Environmental_Policy_Statement_-_Mar_08.pdf http://www.glass-ts.com/PDFs/GTS_Environmental_Policy_Statement_-_Mar_08.pdf (Click to view policies) This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this message, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company.

I have only a short time on public computers per day to do research and wonder if someone can point me in the right direction? A friend was adopted at birth and knows only the full name of her birth mother approx age and that she was Irish. A long order I appreciate but is there anyone who can point me in the right direction? Thanks Mick

I am seeking descendants of Andrew Averell of Clonmacken, Clones, Co. Monaghan who served in WW1. I would be grateful to receive any information on this man. Here's hoping. Patricia.

, you wrote: >From: mathuna <[email protected]> > >I am seeking descendants of Andrew Averell of Clonmacken, Clones, Co. >Monaghan who served in WW1. I would be grateful to receive any >information on this man. Here's hoping. Patricia. This may be an ancestor.............. From "The Monaghan Story", by P. Livingstone. "The Rev. A. Averell established Methodism in Castleblayney in 1793." In 1901, 40% of the Methodists lived in the Clones area.

, you wrote: >From: mathuna <[email protected]> > >I am seeking descendants of Andrew Averell of Clonmacken, Clones, Co. >Monaghan who served in WW1. I would be grateful to receive any >information on this man. Here's hoping. Patricia. This may be an ancestor.............. From "The Monaghan Story", by P. Livingstone. "The Rev. A. Averell established Methodism in Castleblayney in 1793." In 1901, 40% of the Methodists lived in the Clones area.

"SammyM" wrote :- > Jeff. > I have finally found the location. > (I have passed by many times but on a "lower" road. I never knew there was > a "deserted" hamlet there.) > > The nearest main roads are:- (1) The A43, running from Ballymena to > Glenariff, (via Martinstown). > (2) The A2 - main Antrim Coast road. > > There seem to be some "minor" roads close by , but I would not know how > assessable they would be by car. > > If you open "Google Maps". > Type in 55.053628, -5.981425 in the "search" box. > This will give you the location of the hamlet and also the roads / paths > close by. > (Unfortunately Google Earth is not clear for this area.) > > SammyM

"SammyM" wrote :- > Another one Jeff :- > > http://www.antrimhistory.net/content.php?cid=277 > > I'm getting closer to where it is <smile> > > SammyM >