My g-grandfathers name: Hamilton Francis Hutchison b: 25 Feb 1855 Enniskillen,Co.Fermanagh, North Ireland m: 04 Oct 1872 Enniskillen,Co.Fermanagh, North Ireland to Rebecca Wilson d: 03 Apr 1925 Bell, CA Came to USA May 1884, Port is unknown Norvin wrote: > My grandfather came from Ireland in May 1884 and I am trying to find out > the ships name and dates and where it departed from. I am not sure where > he arrived in the USA. Any suggestion on any sites where I may get > started. Thanks

Lance wrote: > It would help if you could advise the list of your grandfather's name. And whether or not you have already tried Ancestry.com. > > > > Regards, > > Lance > > > > buckles8@bigpond.com > > > > Messages scanned by Norton's Anti Virus 2009 > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: Norvin > > Date: 10/29/09 14:05:08 > > To: genire@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Beginners question > > > > My grandfather came from Ireland in May 1884 and I am trying to find out > > The ships name and dates and where it departed from. I am not sure where > > He arrived in the USA. Any suggestion on any sites where I may get > > Started. Thanks > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GENIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Can someone tell me whether this is complete? I'm looking for a particular road and people who I know were living in that road and neighbouring roads and there's nothing there. Newtownards Road area.

"Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message news:hcalp3$p07$1@news.eternal-september.org... > Can someone tell me whether this is complete? I'm looking for a particular > road and people who I know were living in that road and neighbouring roads > and there's nothing there. Newtownards Road area. I have a similar instance in south Down, where one or two streets or roads are missing and expected inhabitants in them not found. However I am reserving judgement until the re-development of the site (planned for end-September!) appears. I emailed NAI about this apparent omission about four weeks ago but have not had a response.

My grandfather came from Ireland in May 1884 and I am trying to find out the ships name and dates and where it departed from. I am not sure where he arrived in the USA. Any suggestion on any sites where I may get started. Thanks

Transcribed from the 28 October 1824 edition of The Enniskillen Chronicle & Erne Packet newspaper, by permission of The British Library: An Expectant Pensioner. Queen-square, Thursday.--A poor Irishwoman, Ellenor Fox, applied to the sitting Magistrate, Mr. White, for assistance under the following circumstances:-- Her husband is a pensioner, and enjoys a pension for some wounds received in the service; she has also two or three sons in the army. Her husband deserted her and lives with another woman at a military station in some part of England; Eleanor, considering how her faithless soldier [is] bound to contribute to her sustenance, wrote to the Secretary at War, praying that a part of her husband's pension may be paid to her every quarter. Before she received an answer from the Horse Guards, some judicious neighbour at Fermanagh informed her that she could not receive a part of the pension, except she went to England, and became chargeable to an English parish. Poor Ellenor accordingly left her native cottage in Fermanagh, and after a fatiguing journey by sea and land arrived in London. Here the poor woman fancied her troubles at an end. She applied to the Secretary at War for an order for part of the pension, and received a letter from the Noble Secretary's secretary, that the pension, having been granted by the Commissioners of Chelsea College, was under their exclusive controul [sic]. Well, to the Chelsea Commissioners Ellen presented herself, told her tale, produced her documents, and was informed that before they could make an order in her favour, she should become chargeable on a parish. They recommended Chelsea parish as the most convenient object of application; this was "could comfort," as she expressed it, but to Chelsea Parish she applied; the parochial authorities expressed the usual regret that they could do nothing for her, but recommended her to come to the Magistrates of Queen-square office, who, they were sure, would put her in the way of receiving part of the wished for pension. In accordance with this humane advice poor Ellen addressed his Worship this morning. Mr. White having looked over the papers, asked her where she lived now? Ellen--Where do I live now? I don't 'live' at all now--but when I did live, I lived in the County Fermanagh. Mr. White--I mean in what part of London have you resided since you crime [sic!] here? Ellen--In every part your Honor. I don't know where. I live wherever I get a bed. Mr. White--I am sorry I cannot help you; it is the duty of the parish to do for you whatever ought to be done. Ellen--Oh! but they won't, your Honor. Mr. White--Then go home--why did you leave your country? Ellen--I lave my country! Faith, that I didn't; I came here by Act of Parliament, and I wish I never did. If I once get home, the devil an Act of Parliament would make me come again. ======================

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Be warned of Garry or Gary Scarff who lies that his father died in Jonestown. He runs hundreds of abusive socks! Who is Garry or Gary Scarff from Los Angeles, CA 90046? http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/garry-scarff/ Liar and manipulator who will do anything for money and attention You can’t get much lower than capitalizing on the tragic deaths of hundreds of people to garner attention for your own financial gain, but that is exactly what Garry Scarff did. While most people were in shock over the deaths of the 900 plus people who were killed in the jungle in Jonestown, Guyana, Garry Scarff used the opportunity to concoct an entirely fabricated story that his father was a member of the People’s Temple and was amongst those who had been killed in Jonestown. Scarff foisted this lie off to hundreds of attendees at conferences held by the Cult Awareness Network (CAN) and to the news media to get attention and as a fund raising ploy for CAN. (His father was actually alive and well and living in Florida.) Notwithstanding the fact that Garry has never been married, claims he is gay and has no children, he later embellished the story even further, saying that his wife and small child were also killed at Jonestown. Unfortunately Garry’s pathological lying did not end there but rather it was just the beginning. Thus it is not surprising that Garry Scarff has once again crawled out from under his rock to become one of the prominent members of the Los Angeles branch of the Internet hate group Anonymous. Paid to Conduct Kidnappings Religious Freedom Watch has learned that years before becoming an Anonymous leader Garry Scarff was a “kidnap for hire” deprogrammer for the Cult Awareness Network and worked closely with with various CAN kidnappers who targeted religious minorities from the 1970s to the mid 1990s until the group went bankrupt after being hit with a multi- million dollar judgment in a federal kidnapping case filed by one of its victims. Apparently to get even and gain attention, Scarff turned on the group after he was blackballed from CAN for testifying against fellow kidnapper Bob Brandyberry in a 1988 Denver kidnapping case. After being ejected from CAN, Scarff executed a series of four declarations detailing the felonies and other crimes in which he and other CAN kidnappers had been involved. 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Unable to remain honest or exhibit social behavior for more than a brief period, Scarff’s life has been punctuated by lies and betrayal of anyone who has been unfortunate enough to become his friend or who has tried to help him or place trust in him. Scarff’s modus operandi is to commit all manner of immoral anti-social and/or illegal acts and then in a feigned act of remorse, make a confession in which he freely admits to the most alarming crimes while blaming others, only to then resume his illicit behavior. Lies in Lawsuit to try and get Money Scarff’s lies and deceit has not been limited to just the subject of the Scientology religion. He has likewise abused other religions, although to a lesser degree. For example, in a lawsuit that Scarff filed in 2001 against his boss and former employer, UCLA, Scarff concocted a story that he had been subjected to discrimination based on his religion, claiming that he was Jewish and his boss, a Syrian, had acted abusively and had him terminated. Scarff lied in the lawsuit stating, “Ayoub was aware of the fact that Plaintiff’s race, ethnicity and religion are Jewish and that Plaintiff’s mother was born in Israel. Ayoub, on the other hand, is Syrian.” However, Scarff’s birth certificate clearly shows that his mother, Estelle Nadine Cox, was born in Missouri, and that Scarff was born in Sacred Heart Hospital, Fort Madison, Iowa, the attending physician a sister in the Church. Scarff’s family was Catholic and Scarff later threatened to sue the Catholic Seminary he was rejected from, when he wanted to become a priest. Scarff’s vindictive lawsuit was dismissed in 2002. Scarff is currently claiming to be disabled in order to obtain Workmen’s Compensation yet regularly comes out with members of Anonymous to try and harass and intimidate members of the Church of Scientology. In one instance Scarff and other Anonymous harassed a member of the Church to the point that he reacted physically at which point Scarff hit him over the head with the stick of his picket sign. Scarff has numerous past instances of attempting to incite violence against Scientologists Egmont R. Koch Producer WDR Schevemdorer Landstr. 15 28325 Bremen, Germany Dear Sir: I was a featured subject in your program “Looking for … The Dark Side of Scientology,” which aired on station ARD/WDR. I have been told by Ms. Botros that it is going to be aired again. Having seen the show and the falsehoods contained in it, I insist you not air the show again. 1. I lied numerous times and both Mona Botros and you knew I was lying, not credible and not worthy of being relied on. The show creates a completely false impression and I can imagine that Scientologists in fact find it libelous. To make the record clear — I was never a Scientologist or a Scientology agent. I have no knowledge of prison camps or “myserious deaths” or planned assassinations of anyone from 1991 or at any other time. I was never staff of the Office of Special Affairs, nor did I carry out any activities on behalf of that Office. In fact, I was never on staff for any Scientology Church. I never saw any prisoners at any Church facilities. I was never threatened by anyone from Scientology even though I falsely accused Scientology attorneys of planning to kill persons critical of the church. 2. Mona Botros and you knew that I had lied to you when you were filming this piece. You also knew my history of lying, yet you chose to ignore it. Your anticipated sources for the story refused to co- operate, so you were stuck with me. Even though you caught me lying to you and said you didn’t trust me, you still used me as your “source.” 3. The dramatic opening of the program showing me having a nervous breakdown, crying and physically ill at the Farmers Market was not caused by pressure or fears of Scientologists, but rahter your anger with my for lying to you and co-operating with Scientologists; your holding back the money you had promised to pay me and refusing to give me an airline ticket so I could go home, my not having my medication to for treating me for being H.I.V. positive (which I complained to you about) and your refusual to allow me to return home Sunday as promised. I demand that you not re-air this previously aired pack of lies. I feel guilty that I allowed Ms. Botros and you to buy me off with your feigned friendship and money. Your lack of objectivity and journalistic ethics, together with your willingness to subvert the truth has led to a program that gives a totally incorrect, even fraudulent, picture of the Church of Scientology. If you chose to air this program again, I will pursue every legal claim available to me under the laws of every country exposed to this trash. Do not attempt telephonic communication with me. If you call my home to harass me I will immediately inform law enforcement authorities. Sincerely, Garry Scarff cc: Elliot J. Abelson Esq. Station Manager, WDR http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/anti-religious-extremists/garry-scarff/lawsuit/

The Constitution or Cork Morning Post, 4 September 1822 -- OLD ESTABLISHED Grocery, Tea and Cheese WAREHOUSE, NO. 29, GRATTAN-STREET. ------ THOMAS WRIGHT has received per the Waterloo, from LONDON, 42 Chests of Black and Green TEAS, in addition to his former Stock, and is as usual supplied with a general Assortment of Goods in the above line. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

On 22 Oct, 03:38, Andrew Chaplin <ab.chap...@yourfinger.rogers.com> wrote: > Hugh Watkins <hugh.watk...@gmail.com> wrote innews:7k9stgF389mueU2@mid.individual.net: > > > > > > > the_vermina...@comcast.net wrote: > >> On Oct 21, 2:24 pm, Michael Merrigan<GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> > >> wrote: > >>> A Chairde, > > >>> Please click on the link below for an update on the Irish > >>> government's plans to amalgamate the National Archives of Ireland, > >>> National Library of Ireland (incld. 'office' of Chief Herald of > >>> Ireland) and the Irish Manuscripts Commission. > > >>> Parliamentary Questions - Dáil Éireann - Weds. 21. Oct. 2009 > > >>>http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=DAL20091021.xml&Node=H10- > >>> ... > > >>> Just scroll down to PQ no. 104 tabled by Deputy John O'Mahony. > > >>> Regards > > >>> Michael Merrigan > >>> General Secretary > >>> Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie > > >> Am I to understand from this exchange in the highest legislative body > >> in the land that Government Ministers have decided to let Ireland's > >> History and Culture go to the dogs???   !!! > > > no they are catching up with Wales national library (and archives) > > And it is not just the Welsh who have gone down that path:http://www.lac-bac.gc.ca/. Of course, the CHA remains under Government > House. It would likely archive its records with LAC. > -- > Andrew Chaplin > SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO > (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Andrew, I took at look at you CHA link and there is nothing relivent to the subject od consolidations that I can find: is there an article or something else that can tell us what's up eactly?

Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote in news:7k9stgF389mueU2@mid.individual.net: > the_verminator@comcast.net wrote: >> On Oct 21, 2:24 pm, Michael Merrigan<GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> >> wrote: >>> A Chairde, >>> >>> Please click on the link below for an update on the Irish >>> government's plans to amalgamate the National Archives of Ireland, >>> National Library of Ireland (incld. 'office' of Chief Herald of >>> Ireland) and the Irish Manuscripts Commission. >>> >>> Parliamentary Questions - Dáil Éireann - Weds. 21. Oct. 2009 >>> >>> http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=DAL20091021.xml&Node=H10- >>> ... >>> >>> Just scroll down to PQ no. 104 tabled by Deputy John O'Mahony. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Michael Merrigan >>> General Secretary >>> Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie >> >> Am I to understand from this exchange in the highest legislative body >> in the land that Government Ministers have decided to let Ireland's >> History and Culture go to the dogs??? !!! > > no they are catching up with Wales national library (and archives) And it is not just the Welsh who have gone down that path: http://www.lac-bac.gc.ca/. Of course, the CHA remains under Government House. It would likely archive its records with LAC. -- Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

the_verminator@comcast.net wrote: > On Oct 21, 2:24 pm, Michael Merrigan<GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> > wrote: >> A Chairde, >> >> Please click on the link below for an update on the Irish government's >> plans to amalgamate the National Archives of Ireland, National Library >> of Ireland (incld. 'office' of Chief Herald of Ireland) and the Irish >> Manuscripts Commission. >> >> Parliamentary Questions - Dáil Éireann - Weds. 21. Oct. 2009 >> >> http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=DAL20091021.xml&Node=H10-... >> >> Just scroll down to PQ no. 104 tabled by Deputy John O'Mahony. >> >> Regards >> >> Michael Merrigan >> General Secretary >> Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie > > Am I to understand from this exchange in the highest legislative body > in the land that Government Ministers have decided to let Ireland's > History and Culture go to the dogs??? !!! no they are catching up with Wales national library (and archives) Hugh W

On Oct 21, 2:24 pm, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> wrote: > A Chairde, > > Please click on the link below for an update on the Irish government's > plans to amalgamate the National Archives of Ireland, National Library > of Ireland (incld. 'office' of Chief Herald of Ireland) and the Irish > Manuscripts Commission. > > Parliamentary Questions - Dáil Éireann - Weds. 21. Oct. 2009 > > http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=DAL20091021.xml&Node=H10-... > > Just scroll down to PQ no. 104 tabled by Deputy John O'Mahony. > > Regards > > Michael Merrigan > General Secretary > Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie Am I to understand from this exchange in the highest legislative body in the land that Government Ministers have decided to let Ireland's History and Culture go to the dogs??? !!!

A Chairde, Please click on the link below for an update on the Irish government's plans to amalgamate the National Archives of Ireland, National Library of Ireland (incld. 'office' of Chief Herald of Ireland) and the Irish Manuscripts Commission. Parliamentary Questions - Dáil Éireann - Weds. 21. Oct. 2009 http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.aspx?F=DAL20091021.xml&Node=H10-4#H10-4 Just scroll down to PQ no. 104 tabled by Deputy John O'Mahony. Regards Michael Merrigan General Secretary Genealogical Society of Ireland www.familyhistory.ie

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On 18/10/2009 11:41 AM, Hugh Watkins wrote: > Austin Powers wrote: >> My great grand aunt in-law was born in Magherafelt, Londonderry, Ireland >> about 1864. >> In 1895 she was in Lucknow, India, where she married my great grand uncle, >> while he was in the British army and stationed there. >> >> She obviously had to leave Ireland and travel to India (before 1895) so >> would she have presumably needed a passport and if so where would I find her >> application? If she was young when she left Ireland, might she have been on >> her mother or father's passport? >> >> I am looking to find her date of birth. >> >> Thanks. > > >> Ireland Vital Records - Civil Registration > > Government registration of births, marriages and deaths in Ireland began > January 1, 1864. Registration of marriages for non-Roman Catholics began > in 1845. Information on births, marriages and deaths in Northern Ireland > from 1922 to the present day can be found under Northern Ireland Vital > Records. Many of the early years of the civil registration of births, > marriages and deaths have been microfilmed by the Latter-day Saints and > are available through a Family History Center near you. Check the Family > History Library Catalog online for details on what is available. << > > http://genealogy.about.com/library/vital/blireland.htm > > http://www.groireland.ie/history.htm > > > from google > http://www.irishroots.com/id4675.htm > but I do not kow if it is any good > > Hugh W The use of passports was not generally required for most people until after World War 1. This would be especially so for travel within the Empire, so she probably did not have one. -- Please reply to group or reply "off-group" by removing the two "z"s from my e-mail address. Graham Coward Melbourne, Australia ===================== Coward Family History Web Site http://www.cowardfamilyhistoryaustralia.info/

On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:41:56 +0100, Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote: >[...] >Government registration of births, marriages and deaths in Ireland began >January 1, 1864. Registration of marriages for non-Roman Catholics began >in 1845. [...] For 1858 article about the difference in treatment for marriages, see The Dublin Evening Post, Saturday, December 11, 1858 (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~myths/dep1858.htm#0) [Looking at it, I realise I'll need to check (when I next find the photocopy) whether I correctly transcribed 1854 in the second paragraph.]

Don Aitken wrote: > On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:41:56 +0100, Hugh Watkins > <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Austin Powers wrote: >>> My great grand aunt in-law was born in Magherafelt, Londonderry, Ireland >>> about 1864. >>> In 1895 she was in Lucknow, India, where she married my great grand uncle, >>> while he was in the British army and stationed there. >>> >>> She obviously had to leave Ireland and travel to India (before 1895) so >>> would she have presumably needed a passport and if so where would I find her >>> application? If she was young when she left Ireland, might she have been on >>> her mother or father's passport? >>> >>> I am looking to find her date of birth. >>> >>> Thanks. >> >>>> Ireland Vital Records - Civil Registration >> >> Government registration of births, marriages and deaths in Ireland began >> January 1, 1864. Registration of marriages for non-Roman Catholics began >> in 1845. Information on births, marriages and deaths in Northern Ireland >>from 1922 to the present day can be found under Northern Ireland Vital >> Records. Many of the early years of the civil registration of births, >> marriages and deaths have been microfilmed by the Latter-day Saints and >> are available through a Family History Center near you. Check the Family >> History Library Catalog online for details on what is available.<< >> >> http://genealogy.about.com/library/vital/blireland.htm >> >> http://www.groireland.ie/history.htm >> >> >>from google >> http://www.irishroots.com/id4675.htm >> but I do not kow if it is any good >> > It should be noted that a substantial proportion of these records were > destroyed in the Four Courts fire during the Civil War of 1923. > Don you need to think about governances 1) registration of birth marriages and deaths was first undertaken by the church parish by parish sometimes with a transcript sent to the bishop 2) civil registration of BDM took place at a local office intially parish by parish but diverging to the"civil parish" based on the poor law unions 3) copies of (2) sent in to the statistical office of the central government to enable knowledge of changes in population numbers 4) for more detailed statistics about for example employment and disability, use of the welsh language, a census every 10 years was introduced aso useful for establishing age qualification for a state pension 5) civil servants need to keep copies of decisions involving public money (to cover their backs / acountability) or record useful precednets this is the primary purpose of national archives 6) old papers soon take up too much space in working offices so they get to be destroyed - or sent to the archives organised by town or county or nation to learn more google:- site:ie archives proni ulster archives site:ie census site:ie archives weeding << when the archies need more space records management,services weeding non-current records and appraisal of current records ... National Archives Act, Data Protection Act and other legislation as well as advice on ... www.eneclann.ie/records_management/services.html a preliminary sketch of the fate of the destroyed Irish census records of 1861-9 http://homepage.tinet.ie/~seanjmurphy/nai/censusmemo.htm Hugh W

The Chief wrote: > there was no > fire in the Four Courts in 1923. Picky but true. It was in 1922. If I remember correctly (NOT a given) A large proportion of the Church of Ireland Record and lmost all pre -1858 Wills and Admons were lost. I'm not sure about Census. Some were lost then and some were burned later (1914??)