On 10 Nov, 01:15, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> wrote: > A Chairde, > > The November 2009 issue of 'Ireland's Genealogical Gazette' the > monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland is available > to view by clicking on the following link:-http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15547176/ > > Featured in this issue: > > + The Last Chief Herald of Ireland? > + Honorary Herald Appointed > + Early Gaelic Sources & Literature  (www.fourcourtspress.ie) > + Population Decline or 'Ethnic Cleansing'? > + GSI Website & Archival Services > + A Fitting Tribute > + James Scannell Reports... > +++ Vanishing Names > +++ Dublin's Viking Wall > +++ National Library Book > +++ Death of Werner Heubeck > + Sources (launch ofhttp://sources.nli.ie) > + GSI Lectures & News > + Presidential Inauguration > + Annual Review of the Membership Packages > + Diary Dates > + Celebrating Nineteen Years (2) > + Arms & Emblems Register > + Guild of One-Name Studies > + GSI Journal > > Regards, > > Michael Merrigan > General Secretary > Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie I found the article "The Last Chief Herald of Ireland?" to be something of an unfortunate lid being placed on the OCHI. If, as you have said Michael, Ireland has an old respect for heraldry, it just doesn't seem right then that the country would have allowed this and would have done something long ago to protect the office. Arms are indeed a money making venture for the country / the National Library and it has a lot to do with Irish pride (I would think) and genealogy. Scotland is undergoing hard times these days as well . . . I really hate to see it going this way. Like the article however, I think that if things keep up, the OCHI will cease to exist.

On 10 Nov, 09:15, Michael Merrigan <GSI.Secret...@familyhistory.ie> wrote: > A Chairde, > > The November 2009 issue of 'Ireland's Genealogical Gazette' the > monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland is available > to view by clicking on the following link:-http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15547176/ > > Featured in this issue: > > + The Last Chief Herald of Ireland? > + Honorary Herald Appointed > + Early Gaelic Sources & Literature  (www.fourcourtspress.ie) > + Population Decline or 'Ethnic Cleansing'? > + GSI Website & Archival Services > + A Fitting Tribute > + James Scannell Reports... > +++ Vanishing Names > +++ Dublin's Viking Wall > +++ National Library Book > +++ Death of Werner Heubeck > + Sources (launch ofhttp://sources.nli.ie) > + GSI Lectures & News > + Presidential Inauguration > + Annual Review of the Membership Packages > + Diary Dates > + Celebrating Nineteen Years (2) > + Arms & Emblems Register > + Guild of One-Name Studies > + GSI Journal > > Regards, > > Michael Merrigan > General Secretary > Genealogical Society of Irelandwww.familyhistory.ie With reference to the article 'The Last Chief Herald of Ireland?, I am afraid that there are many people in the establishment who wish to see the end of heraldry in Eire. Being cowards they prefer death by starvation rather than straightforward murder but there is no doubt about what they are up to. I predict that they will win - in the short term - but history has a habit of turning on those who try to destroy her.

Thanks for the information, which comes as a relief really! Theresa -----Original Message----- From: genire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cecilia Sent: 11 November 2009 12:48 To: genire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Legal marriage age "Theresa Green" wrote: >Thanks for this information, but does anyone have any idea if it were fairly commonplace for girls to marry at 12? I have several conflicting dates regarding my gt-gt-grandmother - one of which would indicate she gave birth at that age but I believed this must have been a mistake - till now! >From the English census analyses (which, if I recollect correctly, counted married persons under 15), it was uncommon there. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.glass-ts.com/PDFs/GTS_Terms_Conditions.pdf Click below if you wish to pay either company: http://www.britglass.org.uk/payment.php http://www.glass-ts.com/payment/payment.php P please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. http://www.britglass.org.uk/BritishGlass/British_Glass_Environmental_Policy_Statement_-_Mar_08.pdf http://www.glass-ts.com/PDFs/GTS_Environmental_Policy_Statement_-_Mar_08.pdf (Click to view policies) This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this message, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company.

"Theresa Green" wrote: >Thanks for this information, but does anyone have any idea if it were fairly commonplace for girls to marry at 12? I have several conflicting dates regarding my gt-gt-grandmother - one of which would indicate she gave birth at that age but I believed this must have been a mistake - till now! >From the English census analyses (which, if I recollect correctly, counted married persons under 15), it was uncommon there.

The Chief wrote: > On Nov 11, 12:49 am, "Theresa Green" <t.gr...@glass-ts.com> wrote: >> Thanks for this information, but does anyone have any idea if it were fairly commonplace for girls to marry at 12? I have several conflicting dates regarding my gt-gt-grandmother - one of which would indicate she gave birth at that age but I believed this must have been a mistake - till now! >> Thanks all >> Theresa >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: genire-boun...@rootsweb.com [mailto:genire-boun...@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Chief >> Sent: 11 November 2009 03:21 >> To: gen...@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: Legal marriage age >> >> On Nov 10, 12:20 pm, "Hon. Cosmo Smallpiece" <bmtan...@iol.ie> wrote: >>> Anyone know the legal marriage age in the 1850's? >>> C >> If we assume that the legal position did not change from the 1850's >> until 1968 - a reasonable assumption - then the following Dail answer >> provides what you want: >> "There is, at present, no statutory minimum age for marriage in >> Ireland but there is a minimum age, based on common law, which is 12 >> years for a girl and 14 years for a boy." >> >> Regards, >> The Chief >> > > Marriages of necessity could happen at any age (past puberty, of > course). And could you please learn not to top post? > > Regards, > The Chief It's an unmoderated newsgroup, people can top post or bottom post as is their wont. There is a large debate over the merits of both that does not belong here. The only recourse of those that don't like a particular style is to ignore and refuse to respond in the style they do not like. Personally I think that once a discussion starts it would be clearer if others adding to a thread followed the convention already being used in that thread. MickG -- ------------ < I'm Karmic > ------------ \ \ ___ {~._.~} ( Y ) ()~*~() (_)-(_)

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:49:20 +0000, Theresa Green wrote: > Thanks for this information, but does anyone have any idea if it were > fairly commonplace for girls to marry at 12? I have several conflicting Not commonplace, that's for sure. Marriages at that age were often between the offspring of two wealthy families. Marriages to cement political alliances, and whatnot. That doesn't mean that such marriages occurred only among the landed gentry, but were somewhat rarer in the working classes. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" If you ain't sticking your knives in me, you will be eventually Monsoon - Robbie Williams

Thanks for this information, but does anyone have any idea if it were fairly commonplace for girls to marry at 12? I have several conflicting dates regarding my gt-gt-grandmother - one of which would indicate she gave birth at that age but I believed this must have been a mistake - till now! Thanks all Theresa -----Original Message----- From: genire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:genire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Chief Sent: 11 November 2009 03:21 To: genire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Legal marriage age On Nov 10, 12:20 pm, "Hon. Cosmo Smallpiece" <bmtan...@iol.ie> wrote: > Anyone know the legal marriage age in the 1850's? > > C If we assume that the legal position did not change from the 1850's until 1968 - a reasonable assumption - then the following Dail answer provides what you want: "There is, at present, no statutory minimum age for marriage in Ireland but there is a minimum age, based on common law, which is 12 years for a girl and 14 years for a boy." Regards, The Chief ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.glass-ts.com/PDFs/GTS_Terms_Conditions.pdf Click below if you wish to pay either company: http://www.britglass.org.uk/payment.php http://www.glass-ts.com/payment/payment.php P please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. http://www.britglass.org.uk/BritishGlass/British_Glass_Environmental_Policy_Statement_-_Mar_08.pdf http://www.glass-ts.com/PDFs/GTS_Environmental_Policy_Statement_-_Mar_08.pdf (Click to view policies) This message (and any associated files) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright or constitutes a trade secret. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message, or files associated with this message, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Messages sent to and from us may be monitored. Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this message, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required, please request a hard-copy version. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company.

Transcribed from the 11 November 1824 edition of The Enniskillen Chronicle & Erne Packet newspaper, by permission of The British Library: Affecting Incident. Mr. Work, Captain of the Giovanni schooner, from Gottenburgh, while delivering a cargo of deals and iron at a wharf in St. Catherine's on Tuesday last, was accosted by a miserable-looking young man, just returned from America, beseeching a little employment. The Captain, in reply, said, he was sorry he was not in want of any additional hands, as his crew were fully adequate to discharge the cargo. The young man in return expressed his regret, but urged the Captain to suffer him to work only for his meat, as he was literally starving for want of food. Commiserating the youth's unhappy situation, the Captain complied with the condition, and the young man went cheerfully to work in the hold among the crew. Observing on the following day the assiduity of the stranger to discharge his duty, the Captain asked him of what place he was a native?--"Loughrea, in Ireland," he replied. "Loughrea, Loughrea," rejoined the Captain, and "What is your name?" "Denis Work," replied the youth. Palpitating with anxiety, and afraid he might be mistaken, the Captain immediately inquired if he had a brother. "I had," said he, "but it is a long time since I saw him." "What is his name?" almost breathlessly inquired the Captain--"James Work," replied the youth. "Then you must have had letters from your brother?" says the Captain. "Oh, yes, Sir." "Come, come along with me," says the Captain, hastily, and immediately hurried him into the cabin. "Have you any objections to shew me those letters from your brother?" asked the Captain. "Certainly not," said he, and instantly pulled out his pocket-book and produced them. The Captain, assured then almost to a certainty who the young man was, produced from his desk, corresponding letters to himself, and upon the mutual correspondence being laid upon the table, each exclaimed, "Brother!" and they instantly rushed into each other's arms, and for several minutes their feelings were so overpowered with the warmth of their affections, that neither of them could speak till tears came to their relief.--London Paper. ==================

Anyone know the legal marriage age in the 1850's? C

On Nov 10, 12:20 pm, "Hon. Cosmo Smallpiece" <bmtan...@iol.ie> wrote: > Anyone know the legal marriage age in the 1850's? > > C If we assume that the legal position did not change from the 1850's until 1968 - a reasonable assumption - then the following Dail answer provides what you want: "There is, at present, no statutory minimum age for marriage in Ireland but there is a minimum age, based on common law, which is 12 years for a girl and 14 years for a boy." Regards, The Chief

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A Chairde, The November 2009 issue of 'Ireland's Genealogical Gazette' the monthly newsletter of the Genealogical Society of Ireland is available to view by clicking on the following link:- http://www.docstoc.com/docs/15547176/ Featured in this issue: + The Last Chief Herald of Ireland? + Honorary Herald Appointed + Early Gaelic Sources & Literature (www.fourcourtspress.ie ) + Population Decline or 'Ethnic Cleansing'? + GSI Website & Archival Services + A Fitting Tribute + James Scannell Reports... +++ Vanishing Names +++ Dublin's Viking Wall +++ National Library Book +++ Death of Werner Heubeck + Sources (launch of http://sources.nli.ie ) + GSI Lectures & News + Presidential Inauguration + Annual Review of the Membership Packages + Diary Dates + Celebrating Nineteen Years (2) + Arms & Emblems Register + Guild of One-Name Studies + GSI Journal Regards, Michael Merrigan General Secretary Genealogical Society of Ireland www.familyhistory.ie

>From The Constitution or Cork Morning Post, 28 August 1822 - The Gentlemen of Kinsale have entered into a subscription for a Hooker Race, which is to take place on Wednesday next. We understand that great sport is expected, as several boats in our harbour are putting in trim to take a part. A Horse Race is also to take place on Tuesday--to be rode by gentlemen. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

In a message dated 11/6/2009 3:02:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, genire-request@rootsweb.com writes: What are "Peeries"? The only time I've heard the term was in Ireland to describe sheepdogs. Peeries are a type of marbles. You can peer through them. Martha E.H. Deegan Greenwich, CT 06831

SammyM wrote: > > > In Northern Ireland (and Scotland as well) a "Peerie" was a wooden > spinning top. It was only a couple of inches tall. A "whip"(just a piece > of stick with a string attached) was used to propel it. The string was > wound round the peerie and the whip flicked so that the peerie spun > round, spinning on the ground. > > Happy memories of childhood in Belfast !!!! > OK~ Thanks. I remember those tops. In fact, on a trip back to England we found some for sale at York Castle Museum. I bought a couple so I could demonstrate it to my grandchildren - only to find I could no longer make them work.

Wait 'till he sees God's collection! A few more years involved in that one! Alison Kilpatrick wrote: > Transcribed from the 5 November 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning > Post newspaper, by permission of The British Library: > > Died. > At Grahamston, Glasgow, Wm. Gordon, aged 97, who was buried on > Thursday following in the Anderston burying-ground. This singular > individual, who had for ten years past worn the same coat, patched and > mended, and who is said for seven years never to have used soap in > washing himself, left behind him an immense quantity of keys, old and > new, highly burnished; a hatful of pins, 15 large screws, from 90 to 100 > hammers, adzes, and gimblets, a great quantity of bottles and jars; and > what may appear most singular, a roomful of boys' tops, peeries, whips, > &c. His collection of sticks is curious. These, with gold and silver > watches, are in the possession of his executors. For many years he wore > a polished key on his thumb, a gold watch in one pocket, and a silver > one in the other. > > ================== > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GENIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

On 05/11/2009 15:56, Jeff wrote: >> Alison Kilpatrick wrote: >> Transcribed from the 5 November 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning >> Post newspaper, by permission of The British Library: >> >> Died. >> At Grahamston, Glasgow, Wm. Gordon, aged 97, <snip> >> and what may appear most singular, a roomful of boys'tops, peeries, whips, >> &c. > What are "Peeries"? The only time I've heard the term was in Ireland to > describe sheepdogs. In Northern Ireland (and Scotland as well) a "Peerie" was a wooden spinning top. It was only a couple of inches tall. A "whip"(just a piece of stick with a string attached) was used to propel it. The string was wound round the peerie and the whip flicked so that the peerie spun round, spinning on the ground. Happy memories of childhood in Belfast !!!! See also :- <http://members.lycos.co.uk/govanchildhood/sheila.htm> Sixth photo down and description. Regards, SammyM

Alison Kilpatrick wrote: > Transcribed from the 5 November 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning > Post newspaper, by permission of The British Library: > > Died. > At Grahamston, Glasgow, Wm. Gordon, aged 97, who was buried on > Thursday following in the Anderston burying-ground. This singular > individual, who had for ten years past worn the same coat, patched and > mended, and who is said for seven years never to have used soap in > washing himself, left behind him an immense quantity of keys, old and > new, highly burnished; a hatful of pins, 15 large screws, from 90 to 100 > hammers, adzes, and gimblets, a great quantity of bottles and jars; and > what may appear most singular, a roomful of boys' tops, peeries, whips, > &c. His collection of sticks is curious. These, with gold and silver > watches, are in the possession of his executors. For many years he wore > a polished key on his thumb, a gold watch in one pocket, and a silver > one in the other. > > ================== > What are "Peeries"? The only time I've heard the term was in Ireland to describe sheepdogs.

Jeff wrote: > Alison Kilpatrick wrote: >> Transcribed from the 5 November 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning >> Post newspaper, by permission of The British Library: >> >> Died. >> At Grahamston, Glasgow, Wm. Gordon, aged 97, who was buried on >> Thursday following in the Anderston burying-ground. This singular >> individual, who had for ten years past worn the same coat, patched and >> mended, and who is said for seven years never to have used soap in >> washing himself, left behind him an immense quantity of keys, old and >> new, highly burnished; a hatful of pins, 15 large screws, from 90 to 100 >> hammers, adzes, and gimblets, a great quantity of bottles and jars; and >> what may appear most singular, a roomful of boys' tops, peeries, whips, >> &c. His collection of sticks is curious. These, with gold and silver >> watches, are in the possession of his executors. For many years he wore >> a polished key on his thumb, a gold watch in one pocket, and a silver >> one in the other. >> >> ================== >> > > > What are "Peeries"? The only time I've heard the term was in Ireland to > describe sheepdogs. I think this refers to a kind of marble. We used to have all kinds of names for the different kinds of marbles, i.e. for playing jacks and marbles ... "peeries" or "puries" was one; I remember "cat's-eyes", too, but I forget the others. There are probably web sites dedicated to this :-). ajk

Transcribed from the 5 November 1822 edition of The Strabane Morning Post newspaper, by permission of The British Library: Died. At Grahamston, Glasgow, Wm. Gordon, aged 97, who was buried on Thursday following in the Anderston burying-ground. This singular individual, who had for ten years past worn the same coat, patched and mended, and who is said for seven years never to have used soap in washing himself, left behind him an immense quantity of keys, old and new, highly burnished; a hatful of pins, 15 large screws, from 90 to 100 hammers, adzes, and gimblets, a great quantity of bottles and jars; and what may appear most singular, a roomful of boys' tops, peeries, whips, &c. His collection of sticks is curious. These, with gold and silver watches, are in the possession of his executors. For many years he wore a polished key on his thumb, a gold watch in one pocket, and a silver one in the other. ==================