With a proven male line cousin relation, and a BigY, there is absolutely no reason to spend money on any Y test of the cousin. OF course, there are such people as DNA test addicts, I'm one. If you are, its just money, and you will be happier if you test him. Doug McDonald -----Original Message----- My brother has done Y-37 and Big Y, as well as autosomal testing. He has no very close matches with 37 markers--they come to a distance of 2 at 25 markers. He belongs to the appropriate Y project, which has an updated map ... My father's first cousin has done Family Finder and is clearly related just as expected. So far we have not bothered to test his Y, on the theory that it is likely to be exactly the same, although the possibility does exist that there is a mutation either in his line or my grandfather's. Thoughts on whether to get his Y tested?

I don't know that I'd quite call myself a DNA test addict yet. Generally speaking, I'm focused on testing more and more relatives, not on confirming what's already known to be true. This means that on MOST days I figure there's not a pressing need to do a Y test on my father's cousin... but the thought does come up from time to time. Oddly enough, I don't have a lot of readily available Y candidates for other parts of my family, or at least not among people I'm in touch with. That's probably why I think at all about testing this cousin. Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:43 PM, McDonald, J Douglas <[email protected] > wrote: > With a proven male line cousin relation, and a BigY, there is absolutely no > reason to spend money on any Y test of the cousin. > > OF course, there are such people as DNA test addicts, I'm one. If you are, > its just money, and you will be happier if you test him. > > Doug McDonald > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

If your brother's BAM hasn't been sent to YFull for analysis, that's cheap at a little over $50. From my experience, his STR report should fill in all but 4 of those values beyond 37 in the FTDNA 111 list, missing DYS487, 716 and 413ab. DYF399 has been informative within R1a. His SNP matches may be helpful, as may ancestral values from recent common ancestors. According to the latest from YFull, his ID should appear, correctly positioned, within a few hours of BAM downloading. DYF399 is a fast mover, so potentially discriminatory for dating and recent branching. My values reported by kittler test are 21.1t 22t 22t 26c while YFull reports 21.1 23? 27?. The Kittler test is inexpensive but still wasted money if taken without a particular purpose. What Yfull reports seems sufficient to evaluate potential value of better testing and would have sufficed for exclusionary purposes in my case. The YFull Ytree (now version 5.05) is sparse compared to the STR assemblages in haplogroup projects, but complementary. It's far easier to see the big picture, relative dating, and something of sampling locations. With caveats, one can go back up the tree to estimate ancestral values, and that's 370 or so STRs rather than FTDNA's 111. Location information is poor in both STR and SNP trees, so geo/historical insights benefit from their combination. Further, the certainty of SNP structure greatly helps structural evaluation by STR, with the latter strengthened and dominating in late dating. kb On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Karla Huebner <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't know that I'd quite call myself a DNA test addict yet. Generally > speaking, I'm focused on testing more and more relatives, not on confirming > what's already known to be true. This means that on MOST days I figure > there's not a pressing need to do a Y test on my father's cousin... but the > thought does come up from time to time. > > Oddly enough, I don't have a lot of readily available Y candidates for > other parts of my family, or at least not among people I'm in touch with. > That's probably why I think at all about testing this cousin. > > Karla Huebner > calypsospots AT gmail.com > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:43 PM, McDonald, J Douglas < > [email protected] > > wrote: > > > With a proven male line cousin relation, and a BigY, there is absolutely > no > > reason to spend money on any Y test of the cousin. > > > > OF course, there are such people as DNA test addicts, I'm one. If you > are, > > its just money, and you will be happier if you test him. > > > > Doug McDonald > > > > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email& > utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email& > utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Keith--my brother's data has been on YFull since almost the start, but I'm no expert at the niceties of Y, so it is useful getting your take on what can be learned there. His results were seen as very useful for work on his general haplogroup (or is it haplotype?), but I myself just take it as useful for science rather than something I know how to do much with. <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> Karla Huebner calypsospots AT gmail.com On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Keith Britton <[email protected]> wrote: > If your brother's BAM hasn't been sent to YFull for analysis, that's cheap > at a little over $50. From my experience, his STR report should fill in > all but 4 of those values beyond 37 in the FTDNA 111 list, missing DYS487, > 716 and 413ab. DYF399 has been informative within R1a. His SNP matches > may be helpful, as may ancestral values from recent common ancestors. > According to the latest from YFull, his ID should appear, correctly > positioned, within a few hours of BAM downloading. > > DYF399 is a fast mover, so potentially discriminatory for dating and recent > branching. My values reported by kittler test are 21.1t 22t 22t 26c while > YFull reports 21.1 23? 27?. The Kittler test is inexpensive but still > wasted money if taken without a particular purpose. What Yfull reports > seems sufficient to evaluate potential value of better testing and would > have sufficed for exclusionary purposes in my case. > > The YFull Ytree (now version 5.05) is sparse compared to the STR > assemblages in haplogroup projects, but complementary. It's far easier to > see the big picture, relative dating, and something of sampling locations. > With caveats, one can go back up the tree to estimate ancestral values, and > that's 370 or so STRs rather than FTDNA's 111. > > Location information is poor in both STR and SNP trees, so geo/historical > insights benefit from their combination. Further, the certainty of SNP > structure greatly helps structural evaluation by STR, with the latter > strengthened and dominating in late dating. > > kb > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Karla Huebner <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I don't know that I'd quite call myself a DNA test addict yet. Generally > > speaking, I'm focused on testing more and more relatives, not on > confirming > > what's already known to be true. This means that on MOST days I figure > > there's not a pressing need to do a Y test on my father's cousin... but > the > > thought does come up from time to time. > > > > Oddly enough, I don't have a lot of readily available Y candidates for > > other parts of my family, or at least not among people I'm in touch with. > > That's probably why I think at all about testing this cousin. > > > > Karla Huebner > > calypsospots AT gmail.com > > > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:43 PM, McDonald, J Douglas < > > [email protected] > > > wrote: > > > > > With a proven male line cousin relation, and a BigY, there is > absolutely > > no > > > reason to spend money on any Y test of the cousin. > > > > > > OF course, there are such people as DNA test addicts, I'm one. If you > > are, > > > its just money, and you will be happier if you test him. > > > > > > Doug McDonald > > > > > > > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email& > > utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > > Virus-free. > > www.avg.com > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email& > > utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >