Ted and others, Please do share the basic genome info (like Ian does) of ANY north american indian DNA test. It is the only way we will eventually know about the genes of true natives from the north american area. I understand why many will not test, they have so much to loose if the test does not confirm their tribal identity, so please keep their names safe from the public eye. THANKS to all who have commented. EagleLittle Janeth A Campbell Retired Researcher and Educator PO Box 13877 Tallahassee, Florida 32317-3877 *J*[email protected] <[email protected]> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:08 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send GENEALOGY-DNA mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists3.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/genealogy-dna > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of GENEALOGY-DNA digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. A, B, C, D from natives in Amazonia (Jan Campbell) > 2. Re: A, B, C, D from natives in Amazonia (McDonald, J Douglas) > 3. Re: A, B, C, D from natives in Amazonia ([email protected]) > 4. Re: A, B, C, D from natives in Amazonia (Sam Sloan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 11:50:38 -0400 > From: Jan Campbell <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DNA] A, B, C, D from natives in Amazonia > Message-ID: > <[email protected] > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Ian, > > Your continued illumination of genes from around our world is fascinating, > thank you for taking the time to send to this group. > > I noticed the Amazonians from Columbia represent A, B, C, and D mtDNA, but > no X that I noticed. They have also cleverly avoided the european > contributions, while still inducing genetic diversity outside of the > linguistic groups locally. > > Do you know if there is a way to get this type of data included in the > "reference populations" used by ancestryDNA, 23andme, ftDNA, Nat Geneo, > etc? I know so many folks with extensive "family history" stories of > native american heritage where it does not show up in test results. > > I understand the problem is so few native testers from USA, so a small pool > for reference populations. With the decreasing contributions of ancient > relatives, we should not be surprised that the evidence diminishes, at > least until full genome tests are the norm. > > Is there a solution to american tribal descendants, who were forced to > intermix with europeans for survival over the centuries, to find their > genetic native roots? > > Thanks for all your contributions! > > Janeth A Campbell > > Retired Researcher and Educator > PO Box 13877 > Tallahassee, Florida 32317-3877 > > *J*[email protected] <[email protected]> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 16:59:26 +0000 > From: "McDonald, J Douglas" <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DNA] A, B, C, D from natives in Amazonia > Message-ID: > <[email protected] > uillinois.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Certainly, it is possible. It just requires autosomal testing lots and > lots of people from > present-day descendants. This means over 200 reasonably unrelated (more > than 2nd cousins) > people from each group, several thousand in toto. > > Then it would be possible to identify segments with ancestral groups. > These could be used > either as-is in some sorts of computer algorithms, or assembled into > several unrelated > "synthetic people" for each group. > > >From over 40 US (east of the Rockies) and SE Canadian "natives" I have > now assembled > 4 unrelated synthetic people. Other testees tested since I did the assembly > do indeed fit this group when they are expected to. > > The problem is getting that many. Due to partisan politics it can't be > done by academics, > only by ad-hoc group amateurs. I suspect, and only suspect with zero > evidence, that > the testing companies are afraid to do it. > > Doug McDonald > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Is there a solution to american tribal descendants, who were forced to > intermix with europeans for survival over the centuries, to find their > genetic native roots? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2017 20:43:21 -0700 > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DNA] A, B, C, D from natives in Amazonia > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I have tested 3 NAs....an PaiPai elder from northern Baja California, a > Kumiai (also from Baja California) and a Navajo...if anyone is > interested....all with FTDNA. > > Teddi Montes > > > On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 11:50:38 -0400, Jan Campbell <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ian, > > > > Your continued illumination of genes from around our world is > fascinating, > > thank you for taking the time to send to this group. > > > > I noticed the Amazonians from Columbia represent A, B, C, and D mtDNA, > but > > no X that I noticed. They have also cleverly avoided the european > > contributions, while still inducing genetic diversity outside of the > > linguistic groups locally. > > > > Do you know if there is a way to get this type of data included in the > > "reference populations" used by ancestryDNA, 23andme, ftDNA, Nat Geneo, > > etc? I know so many folks with extensive "family history" stories of > > native american heritage where it does not show up in test results. > > > > I understand the problem is so few native testers from USA, so a small > pool > > for reference populations. With the decreasing contributions of ancient > > relatives, we should not be surprised that the evidence diminishes, at > > least until full genome tests are the norm. > > > > Is there a solution to american tribal descendants, who were forced to > > intermix with europeans for survival over the centuries, to find their > > genetic native roots? > > > > Thanks for all your contributions! > > > > Janeth A Campbell > > > > Retired Researcher and Educator > > PO Box 13877 > > Tallahassee, Florida 32317-3877 > > > > *J*[email protected] <[email protected]> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 01:08:51 -0400 > From: Sam Sloan <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DNA] A, B, C, D from natives in Amazonia > Message-ID: > <CAEaNpcdqK1Ph+fpmAaUrJ65vHzuBWkvsR_CoYCMRzN_ > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Can you please give us their Gedmatch numbers. > > Do not neglect to upload to gedmatch. > > On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 11:43 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I have tested 3 NAs....an PaiPai elder from northern Baja California, a > > Kumiai (also from Baja California) and a Navajo...if anyone is > > interested....all with FTDNA. > > > > Teddi Montes > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 11:50:38 -0400, Jan Campbell <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Ian, > > > > > > Your continued illumination of genes from around our world is > > fascinating, > > > thank you for taking the time to send to this group. > > > > > > I noticed the Amazonians from Columbia represent A, B, C, and D mtDNA, > > but > > > no X that I noticed. They have also cleverly avoided the european > > > contributions, while still inducing genetic diversity outside of the > > > linguistic groups locally. > > > > > > Do you know if there is a way to get this type of data included in the > > > "reference populations" used by ancestryDNA, 23andme, ftDNA, Nat Geneo, > > > etc? I know so many folks with extensive "family history" stories of > > > native american heritage where it does not show up in test results. > > > > > > I understand the problem is so few native testers from USA, so a small > > pool > > > for reference populations. With the decreasing contributions of > ancient > > > relatives, we should not be surprised that the evidence diminishes, at > > > least until full genome tests are the norm. > > > > > > Is there a solution to american tribal descendants, who were forced to > > > intermix with europeans for survival over the centuries, to find their > > > genetic native roots? > > > > > > Thanks for all your contributions! > > > > > > Janeth A Campbell > > > > > > Retired Researcher and Educator > > > PO Box 13877 > > > Tallahassee, Florida 32317-3877 > > > > > > *J*[email protected] <[email protected]> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the GENEALOGY-DNA list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the GENEALOGY-DNA mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of GENEALOGY-DNA Digest, Vol 12, Issue 582 > ********************************************** >