Any word if those of us who purchased BigY in the past will eventually receive the 67 to 111 upgrade from the Big Y results? Rebecca Christensen From: Bob McLaren <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [DNA] Big Y vs Y-111 Yes, the BigY sequences what can  be sequenced on the Y-chromosome.  Parts of it cannot be sequenced.  They are also now adding some STRs as part of the sequencing, but only those that are reliable.  It turns out that the STRs in the upgrade from 67 to 111 markers can be reliably sequenced as part of the BigY.  So, when you order the BigY, you automatically get the upgrade as part of the results.  Additionally there will likely be some more STRs added. Yours aye, Bob -----Original Message----- >From: Wjhonson <[email protected]> >Sent: Nov 30, 2017 1:21 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [DNA]  Big Y vs Y-111 > >I thought that Big Y sequence your entire Y, so there is nothing left to sequence at all in that > >But FTDNA is offering Big Y alongwith Y-111 as if they are sequencing different things. > >So can someone explain why I would want Y-111 and Big Y both at once? > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

​Rebecca There's probably not much incentive. As of my Big Y, spending 10% more on top of the Big Y cost for YFull workup missed only two of those markers, DYS716 and Y-GATB07, and you then have around 350 STR values to work with. Big Y data didn't give DYS385ab, DYS459ab, DYS447 or DYS464abcd?? in the first 25 markers, YCAIIab or CDYab to 37, nor DYFS1ab, DYS413ab and DYS487 to 67. If you started with 37 FTDNA markers, you didn't lose much by going Big Y, and if the multi marker STRs are critical to you, kittler testing is what you need. One normally kittler test, DYF399X, did have YFull values for me, but with the middle 2 of mine rounded up from fractional values. In R1a, that may be enough to be exclusionary. It's a less useful marker for R1b, but may still tip an economic decision whether to order that test. Further, if you are studying where a dataset fits in a spreadsheet of cousin lines, the YFull tree organisation gives the useful ability to dump a parsimony based ancestral Big Y STR list. Where there are no values, a glance down the column commonly gives a high probability regarding what should be there. kb​