Not so odd--numbers matter, and there are probably more R1bs than R1as in FTDNA's database. My family belongs to a small subgroup of M253--who knows when we will get our results? Lindsey ********************************* There is an interesting "feature" to the new Build 38 BigYs that my project (Clan Donald) has received word of. Out of exactly 225 total BigY participants the ratio of R1b to R1a is 3:1. So far I fave received zero OLD R1a results converted to Build 38 and only one NEW R1a result, compared to lots of R1b. Its now well beyond statistical fluctuation. Another oddity: the R1bs I've got seem to be clustering around Build 610 (excluding the "new" ones at Build 760+). Odd. Doug McDonald